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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 9:29pm On May 05, 2015

babyfaceafrica:
so in other words just because historical facts are documented ,I must belive them? Don't you know those sore called documented historical facts were passed orally cos you an I know literacy didn't start early in Nigeria? Now what of if these people distorted the information been passed down due to amnesia ? There is a limit to what you can remember? Another thing is that just because people don't have fact does not mean what they say is false. I did literature in higher institution and I know some of all these historical facts have different versions..the one you choose to belive is on you.let's us just accept we come from one source God and move on..history has its deficinecies...God bless

I like your assertions, but you mixed things here which I will clear anyway.

You wrote: "so in other words just because historical facts are documented ,I must belive them? Don't you know those sore called documented historical facts were passed orally cos you an I know literacy didn't start early in Nigeria"

My friend, am NOT referring to oral tradition or folklores, but real FACTS that were documented via treaties, conquests that last centuries, Kingship footprints, ancient buildings, diplomacy with Europeans etc. Let me give you an example of the Benin history. Since 800/900 AD, the Benin history were personally recorded and by the 15th Century the Portuguese started recorded as well.

You wrote: "...I know literacy didn't start early in Nigeria""

Ahhh - here is a wrong belief you need to correct my friend. Ever before Western Education came to our land, many tribes and group already developed writing style which still exist till date. Also Western education first came to Nigeria when the Benin opened Diplomacy with the Portuguese Govt as early as 14th Century, which entails sending Benin Princes and their slaves (Igbo, Yoruba, Igala etc) to study in Europe and came back with Degrees.

Finally, you're referring to mythologies, folktales, folklores and fables, while am referring well DOCUMENTED history that are still available for verification till today.

For example, read this website about the history of Lagos: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8

Also here what the great Zik, Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe said about the Onitsha ancestry:

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

“Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha.”
SOURCE – Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) “My Genealogy and Nativity” p4

“I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD.
” SOURCE – Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) “My Genealogy and Nativity” p5

“One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word ‘Onitsha’. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins, “

“I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalize them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrant against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N’Idu, , ” “As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Igbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc,

” SOURCE – Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) “My Genealogy and Nativity” p 11 – 12

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:46pm On May 05, 2015

Nowenuse:
Pls let us all forget all these "Eguns are not yorubas", "Olukwumi are not igbo", "so so are not so so" and bla bla bla.
The truth is that in the Nigerian context of today, ppl are free to choose wherever they want to belong to a large extent.

There are some groups who may choose a certain identity just for political convenience but that does not really mean that is who they are originally.

Left for me, i'd say Eguns are not yorubas because in their language alphabets, they have the letter V and Letter Z intonatitons in their language and this is something almost all other yoruba dialects lack.
But it is up to the Eguns to decide who they want to be, if they say they prefer to be identified as Yorubas and the other Yorubas accept them, fine, who are others to speak against this??

Same thing goes for the Aworis, Olukumis and all others. There is freedom of association to a large extent i think.

Just like Itsekiris who sometimes they will claim they are Yorubas and most other times they will reject. During the time of the Old regional system of govt, Itsekiris were identifying with the Yorubas just for political convenience and this helped them because Awolowo favoured the Itsekiris over the other Western minority groups, but today u will hardly see Itsekiris claiming to be Yorubas.

Nowenuse - I love your prose. But the only area I disagree is "...Just like Itsekiris who sometimes they will claim they are Yorubas"

There was NEVER a time Itsekiris claimed to be Yoruba. Please be corrected

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:43pm On May 05, 2015

ziddy:
You are not just wrong, you're also ignorant.

the Aworis had been in Lagos from time, but they were fishermen and and farmers. Bini warriors came (by sea, mind you) amd subdued the coastal areas, specifically the islands, where they established their war camp (Eko).

But many Yorubas are contesting this fact.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:38pm On May 05, 2015

hotwax:
Yorubas dont lament about Igbo in Lagos. Yorubas love Igbo in Lagos.

The saying "Lagos is no man's land" get yorubas angry. We want everybody in Lagos. We welcome people on our lands.

1. Lagos is somebody's Land (Igbo always contest this)
2. You can't come from your village and interfere in our politics. Yorubas never do that. Yorubas dont claim to own somebody else's land. We know our boundaries as visitors.

You wrote: "The saying "Lagos is no man's land" get yorubas angry. We want everybody in Lagos. We welcome people on our lands."

My broda stop your grandstanding about Lagos. And who are the 'WE' that want people in Lagos? Common Lagos was earmarked by the Federal Govt as a center of national commerce and industry, then invested (and still investing) OIL money to principally develop Lagos to meet this dream.

That's why people from all over Nigeria migrated to Lagos, including Yorubas from Oyo, Osun, Ogun, Ondo and Ekiti to work and better their lives. I personally witnessed how thousands of Yorubas were trooping into Lagos in the mid seventies to early 90s. Then they hate being called "omo Eko" and regarded Lagos as "Oko" (farm) where they migrated for greener pasture.

However I noticed some changes in the 90s after the 3rd mainland bridge was commission (in 1990) and some Yorubas were amazed and started the "Lagos is Yorubaland' mantra. Unfortunately the children of these older men/women's born from 1985-1989 to 1990s till date were not told about their sojourn (their parents) in Lagos. Those two generations are the ones being used by politicians to fight for Lagos, forgetting Lagos is not their ancestral land.

You wrote: "You can't come from your village and interfere in our politics. Yorubas never do that. Yorubas dont claim to own somebody else's land. We know our boundaries as visitors."

Except the Aworis, the Epes and Badagrys, you also came from your village to Lagos to work because the Fed Government spent (and still spending) Niger Delta OIL money to develop Lagos for all Nigerians. The politics and governance of Lagos and all states in Nigeria, are being funded by OIL money, while the entire Nigeria economy is daily galvanized by Oil Money Expenditure.

So I implore you and your ilks to face your work in Lagos, less you'll find yourself at the verge of failure.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:18pm On May 05, 2015

stinggy:
Ilajes are Yorubas who found their selves surrounded by Ijaws just like the Olukumis in Aniocha. Itsekiri drew their language from Ilaje, with a mix of Ijebu, Bini and Portuguese.
There was a guy that visited Ilaje/Ese-odo community and shared his findings on NL sometime ago (can't vividly remember the title). He confirmed this through the findings he got from the natives.

It is noteworthy too to point out that there are various dialects of Yoruba language which when spoken, an average Yoruba Ajumolo (central yoruba) might find difficult to understand, Egun, Ilaje and so many others belong to this group. But for easier communication between the Yorubas, a central Yoruba was adopted (Yoruba Oyo).

stinggy - you rushed to conclude the Ilajes are "Yoruba" when we all know that the word "Yoruba" was used to group people who spoke similar language as the Oyo in the Mid 19th Century. What you failed to tell us, is what is the ANCESTRY of the Ilajes?

What is the ANCESTRY of many other tribes known as Yoruba today?

You wrote: "Ilajes are Yorubas who found their selves surrounded by Ijaws

You are fast in eliminating the influence of the Ijaw while claiming they are Yoruba. How did the Ijaw surrounded them, or do you want to claim the Ijaws are aliens on that land? What is the origin of the word "Yoruba"?

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:11pm On May 05, 2015

stinggy:
History is meant to have loopholes since there are many tellers.
I haven't read so much about Eguns (though I believe they are Yorubas until I read a convincing counter), Ilajes are purely Yorubas, you can ask Olugbo of Ugboland - Obateru Akinruntan why he is trying to build gaps between all Yoruba kings.

stinggy - don't confuse the 21st century happening with ANCESTRY. From all available record, the Ilajes ancestry is 100% from Oyo. As for the Olugbo King, yes, that alignment is merely political and does not change their ancestry, which is partly link to Benin.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:06pm On May 05, 2015

MrPresident1:
[b]This is revisionist nonsense laced with half truths and outright lies.

The 'Yoruba' are an agglomeration of tribes who have found an identity under the banner of Oduduwa. Oduduwa met people on ground when he arrived Ile-ife, these were the aboriginal people whom he probably conquered and assimilated. Oduduwa came from the East. Oduduwa is not a single person, Oduduwa was the banner under which Israelites fleeing Roman persecution following the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD arrived the land space of South Western Nigeria. Under the banner of Oduduwa was also the Bini, referred to as one of the sons of Oduduwa.

'Yorubaland' is peopled by lineage Israel, and aboriginal grafted tribes. Everyone has accepted the Banner of Oduduwa.

The Ogiso dynasty was said to have been formed by 'Kings from the sky' Oduduwa was said to be their last child, and they ruled at Igodomigodo, the question to you, Nigerman1, is, where is Igodomigodo, is it the site of the present Benin? By relating the oral histories of the Bini, and the oral histories of Oduduwa, one comes to the conclusion that the Bini are Oduduwa, because Oduduwa was not a single individual, and 'kings from the sky' describes Israel before she fell. Forget the nonsensical later day tale of a certain prince Izoduwa. I am sure the lion that just entered the Savannah bush will be receiving rebukes from his forebears now for allowing the distortion of history under his watch.

Osahon Naiwu the pseudo intellectual historian is the source of the distortion of the relationship between children of the same mother.

Sukkot, I wrote this for you. Nigerman1, you need to stop your hatred for Yoruba, I have gone through your posts. You cannot win.

Lion in the savannah is the code for Oba of Benin.[/b]

MrPresident1 - I love your post, however true and genuine intellectual don't claim opposing views as hatred. You pretend not to know that your fellow Yorubas constantly draw the first blood?

You wrote: "This is revisionist nonsense laced with half truths and outright lies.

The 'Yoruba' are an agglomeration of tribes who have found an identity under the banner of Oduduwa. Oduduwa met people on ground when he arrived Ile-ife, these were the aboriginal people whom he probably conquered and assimilated. Oduduwa came from the East. Oduduwa is not a single person, Oduduwa was the banner under which Israelites fleeing Roman persecution following the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD arrived the land space of South Western Nigeria. Under the banner of Oduduwa was also the Bini, referred to as one of the sons of Oduduwa."

Oh, you claimed my post as revisionist? Why do you Yorubas see history as DOGMA? Why do you think or believe your so-called history is more complete than others? You wrote your history and trample upon the Old Benin hisotory and when you're challenged, you blurt out in anger, claiming facts and solid statistics as revisionism!

Now see the mumbo-jumbo you spewed above? Can you see that your version is only one of the over one DOZEN versions you have in Yorubaland, about Oduduwa? Which should we believe?

You wrote: "Osahon Naiwu the pseudo intellectual historian is the source of the distortion of the relationship between children of the same mother. Sukkot, I wrote this for you. Nigerman1, you need to stop your hatred for Yoruba, I have gone through your posts. You cannot win."

Aah, you described Osahon Naiwu, a first rate historian and scholar as "pseudo intellectual historian?" Can you see how you're brimming with hatred you just accused me of. If Osahon Naiwu is who you truly described him, then what/how would you described your Yoruba historians who fed you with those disjointed narrative you posted above?

Let me burst your bubble; Osahon Naiwu and many others (and me) basically relied on RECORDED history available since the 800 / 900 AD.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 7:50pm On May 05, 2015

tonychristopher:
In actuality, the Egun and Awori people are not yoruba. Their language is Egun which is similar to Ewe language spoken in Benin and parts of Togo. The Egun and Awori language is more 'eweid' than 'Yorubaid'. Some Egun people speak Yoruba just as Okrika people speak Igbo but are not Igbo.
The Aworis claim early link with Benin, however, they are Yorubas in today's Nigerian context.

Many Ijebus dont also believe in Oduduwa thing, I have one as my neighbour here, sometimes he doesnt even see himself as a yoruba he prefers to be called ijebu and this dude is educated. He has his reasons and I respect him

tonychristopher - you are not the only who'd discovered this. I remmeber many years ago, in the college. One of my mate, a Yorubaman openly rejected being called "Omo Odua" when he was invited to come join an Oduduwa group. He flatly told me, "Emi onse omo Odua o...".

Also do you the reason that Ijebu guys prefer to be called IJEBU - not Yoruba? He probably may'd discovered that the word "YORUBA" was used exclusively to describe the Oyo people alone by the Fulanis.

And that it was later used to group them together and forced Oyo language and culture on them. Gradually, in the last 80 years, their UNIQUENESS were being killed. Some of them are now insisting their own ancestry, languages, cultures, cuisines etc, must be preserved.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 7:37pm On May 05, 2015

[quote author=hotwax post=33435251]Thank you mate. Because Britain colonized Lagos, Lagos belongs to Britain.

Because Fulanis conquered Ilorin, Ilorin is now a Fulani Town.

Because Benin colonized Lagos, they owned Lagos.

Because Rome colonized Jerusalem, its now a Roman city.

Meeen. people are just fcking pathetic and they reason like agama lizard.

[size=18pt]And one of them claiming Awori are not Yorubas. Awori is a Yoruba tribe. Awori people are from Ogun state. They are conc ijebu people. Cut us some slack.

You know nothing about Yoruba race.

The moment you claimed Awori are benin. Is shows you are either stewpid or have mental problems. Its like saying Ijesha people are not Yorubas....

Aworis are Egba people. STop this fcking bulshit. Stop distorting Yoruba history. Aworis are not Igbo or Benin...

Aworis are not Igbo. [/size]

hotwax - you claimed the Aworis are Egba? I dare you to go to Ota and say this to an Awori face. I assure you, he will mow you down.

For many years, there'd been inter-tribal hatred and cold war between the Aworis and Egba in Sango-Ota, over who owns the land. Some years ago, it led to crisis and many lives were lost on both sides. They also claimed Obasanjo collected their lands to build Ota farm, that one day, they will retrieve it back.

Please stop peddling Wikipedia because it's an open magazine people make entry and edit.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 7:28pm On May 05, 2015

stinggy:
Wrong! You wouldn't say true owners of Nigeria are the Brits because they colonized us at a time, would you?
Aworis are the owners, and are part of the larger Yoruba tribe, only few misguided ones will refute this.

stinggy - can you please tell us why those "few misguided ones will refute" being Yoruba? Am sure you're not Awori, so why must you insist? I can tell you that until the you guys started fighting and claiming "Lagos is Yorubland" immediately after the 3rd mainland bridge was commissioned in 1990 Babangida, most yorubaland people use to (and still) hate the Awoiris with perfect hatred. Many people from Oyo, Ogun and Oshun regarded the Aworis as aliens.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 7:13pm On May 05, 2015

hotwax:
Why I am engaging in this arguments is not because I hate benin. Of all Ethnics in Nigeria, I like Benin. I have family members married to them.

I am from Ile-Ife, we have many cultural/traditions that are the same as Benin. Ife culture is like Benin. Atimes Ife doesnt look Like Yoruba,

Artifact, Cultural items, dressing is more of Benin...

I am just arguing to set the record straight.

Benin history did not take cognizance of Oduduwa. Any history that separate Oduduwa and his seven sons from Yoruba is totally wrong and scam.

Oduduwa is Yoruba. Rewrite your history to have Odudwa in it. We will accept that

hotwax - you obviously did not know history beyond the CONCLAVE you're taught. I can see you stand on your little world and judge other's history from the beautiful mythologies and fables you were fed with from cradle.

This account why you regard as sacrilege when the story of your so-called Oduduwa and his 7 sons are challenged and scrutinized. You Yorubas should come out to tell us you have DOGMA - not history.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 7:04pm On May 05, 2015

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

whitecat1 - Please read this article about the history of Lagos on the Lagos State official werbsite: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:56pm On May 05, 2015

[quote author=hotwax post=33432349]Now let me finish you off with your scam history. This is a cue from wikipedia. If wikipedia is wrong, you can take your case up with them. You benin people and Igbo always want to claim to own Yoruba land. And this corrupt and scamming attitude will be met with stiff resistance. Fulanis want to claim Yoruba land, Igbo, Now Benin tomorrow who knows if its Ijaw. Now read the following and shut up.....
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hotwax - please hold your breadth, you have no much to prove. That you brought a wikipedia to prove some points show you lack the knowledge about wikipedia. Wiki are public magazine open to editing and entry by peopple. Am a Wikipedia editor and have friends who also are. That story on Wikipedia was edited by a Yoruba fellow. So my bro, do not bring such limited story into a serious discussion as this.

Moreover you're trying to DIVERT the principal of this thread into 'claiming Lagos..."

God forbid that I claim Lagos, however let it be known to you, that Lagos was once conquered and ruled by Benin King, during the reign of Oba Orhogbua. He then installed a Benin prince and some chiefs.

Till today, the Oba of Lagos have Benin Ancestry, and the chiefs families are still in Lagos till today. Do you know the popular OBANIKORO family in Lagos? Their father was one of the Chiefs installed by Benin king. That means also that Obanikoro have Benin ancestry - but are Yorubas.

Please read about old Lagos on the Lagos State website here: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8

Please note that a good part of that article were deliberately distorted, however because those years were recorded, it's been very difficult for your people to vanish it.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:43pm On May 05, 2015

[quote author=hotwax post=33431788]Guy thats what they teach you in school. Arabs teach their children "They are the owner of Jerusalem", it doesnt mean Arabs own Jerusalem. Everyone teach history from a favourable perspective, it doesnt mean its true.

Yorubas are Yorubas, Oduduwa is not from Benin, Okanbi is not from Benin. We only have few things in common. The only cultural similaries can be seen in Ile-Ife alone. Because Ife son becomes Oba of Benin, so he went there with Ife costumes.

Have you seen core Yoruba cultures? Its nothing of Benin. No similarities, Yorubas are a different set of people, very unique.

The IFA, the talking drum, Kijipa e.t.c....we are too big to come from that small benin. Ofcourse we had political marriages.

Its like Fulani people claiming Yorubas are descendant of Fulanis. Because we have intermarried and live together in Ilorin...Thats just political influence...Ilorin is not the source of Yorubas....

Get that into your skull

You wrote: "Guy thats what they teach you in school. Arabs teach their children "They are the owner of Jerusalem", it doesnt mean Arabs own Jerusalem. Everyone teach history from a favourable perspective, it doesnt mean its true."

Am happy you admitted you're taught history from "favourable perspective" and that "it doesnt mean its true".

Am happy that you, a Yoruba person openly admitted that your Yoruba history were written to favor you - and that they re NOT true. Now you admitted you Yorubas wrote a complete FRAUD and called history due to political position. However you missed it by GENERALIZING that fraud.

Bro I repeat, am careful about what I wrote here; every sentence I posted about Yoruba are available in the archives for you to investigate.

You wrote: "Yorubas are Yorubas, Oduduwa is not from Benin, Okanbi is not from Benin. We only have few things in common. The only cultural similaries can be seen in Ile-Ife alone. Because Ife son becomes Oba of Benin, so he went there with Ife costumes"

Now you suddenly slipped into the same age-old fallacious fables and folktales of the Yorubas, without a single facts to it. Or have you forgotten you admitted that "Everyone teach history from a favourable perspective, it doesnt mean its true.?"

Again, when you say "Yorubas are Yorubas" what exactly do you mean?

> Why don't you all bear YORUBA then?
> Why do you have Ekitis, Ijesha, Awori, Akure, Ijebu, Egba and so several hundreds of clans?
> Why was the Oyo Kindgom of the olden days not called "Yoruba Kingdom?"
> Why was the Kiriji war not called or labeled as Yoruba war?

You wrote: Have you seen core Yoruba cultures? Its nothing of Benin. No similarities, Yorubas are a different set of people, very unique."

Haa this is serious. You mean there are CORE Yoruba culture and non-core Yoruba? So you have 'original culture' and counterfeit"

You wrote: "Its nothing of Benin. No similarities, Yorubas are a different set of people, very unique."

why are you doubling yourself? In one breadth, you claim the King of Benin came from Ife, in another you said "No similarities..." Moreover which part of present day Yorubaland are referring to? Remember there are hundreds of UNIQUENESS in Yorubaland - from Ekiti, to Ondo, to Awori to Ijebu - have cultural practices that differ to the other, by 360 Degree.

You Wrote: "The IFA, the talking drum, Kijipa e.t.c....we are too big to come from that small benin. Ofcourse we had political marriages. Its like Fulani people claiming Yorubas are descendant of Fulanis. Because we have intermarried and live together in Ilorin...Thats just political influence...Ilorin is not the source of Yorubas...."

Stop being funny and face pure historical facts and ancestry - not this empty social chest beating about population and being big which is a sign of poverty found among black people.

Nobody brought Ilorin to the discourse, and please stop diverting the critical points in my posts.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:13pm On May 05, 2015*

Pero009:
Your analysis of Yoruba's origin is so vague and amorphous, you failed to pin down historical connectivity as in how your Benin kingdom influenced the migrations of Yoruba from one place to the other.

Pero009 - sorry I think you''re one guilty of vagueness. If you follow the thread from the beginning and when I came into the discourse, you will realize I was not referring to entire Yoruba - but Olukumi

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:08pm On May 05, 2015

emmatok:
Its surprising how IGBOS are trying to lecture Yorubas on their history.

Some even said that OYOs are the only real Yorubas.

emmatok - can you show mew where people said this on this thread?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:01pm On May 05, 2015

omokab:
you have time to answer nigerman1 don't you see pain and hatred in all his respond to the topic.Somebody said they migrated from owo in ondo state he was still arguing blindly,changing what he red to his own interest.I can't blame him,his people can't trace their origin.How they are speaking ibo is not traceable.His interest is how yorubas migrated from Benin. But his hatred could not allow him to ask the total population of yorubas in Benin compared to the entire yoruba people in only in the south west not to talk of other extension.The only culture they have is how to make money from event like wedding. Also he should tell us how is tribe is from jews.

omokab - each time you guys openly write about others, no one accuse of hatred. I know Yorubas generally have been brought up to never question folklores and fables you're told.

You wrote: "Somebody said they migrated from owo in ondo state he was still arguing blindly..."

Let me inform you that true facts of history cannot never be gleaned from the old people. You only need to get some clue because people naturally, out of personal pride, do not want to openly admit that their forefathers were captured as slaves. Moreover, we don't need the Olukumi people to tell us how they finally settled on that land. Their journey to that place were RECORDED.

You wrote: "I can't blame him,his people can't trace their origin..."

It seems you're mixing things up here, because this is one of popular lines I hear Yoruba parent tell their children. Sorry my dear, am not Igbo. And let me assure you that from my vantage position as history researcher, almost every tribes in Nigeria love to trace their ancestry. It's only you Yorubas who'd been subconsciously trained to close your heart from asking about your ancestry. The general LIES you all were fed was ODUDUWA was our father.

In present day Yorubalnad you have many dozens of tribes such as Ijebu, Egba, Ekiti, Ijesha, Awori, Ogbomosho, etc. And within these tribes, are many clans, with diverse physique, attitude, languages and origin. Now - how many of you have the gut to ask these questions:

>> What is the origin of my father?

>> Where exactly did my father migrated from?

>> Where were they, say 300 years, 550 years ago?

>> How did my fathers got to this place?

>> Why did my original language so differ from Oyo language?

>> When was the name/word "Yoruba" used to group us together?

You wrote: "But his hatred could not allow him to ask the total population of yorubas in Benin compared to the entire yoruba people in only in the south west

Please stop saying I have hatred for you. Bro I can't fathom why you guys always punch one on the face with unsubstantiated story and later claimed being hated, after showing you facts and figure?

When you talked about Yoruba population versus Benin - this sound very, very funny. Please we are NOT talking about TODAY - but the old past. The period under scrutiny, there were no Yoruba as you have it today. The biggest Empire, for most part was Benin, which the Portuguese attested to. The word 'Yoruba' was first used to apply and grouped all people who spoke similar language as the Oyo in the mid 19th Century.

You wrote: "The only culture they have is how to make money from event like wedding. Also he should tell us how is tribe is from jews"

What exactly do you mean by this statement?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 5:33pm On May 05, 2015

babyfaceafrica:
Some people keep complaining that a good number of Yoruba people are passing this thread after reading, am sorry I will rather pass thi spost than engage in intertribal exchhange with people...all I know is that. A lot of the history people are sharing have been distorted by people who pass them ...illiteracy really affected Africans...God help us

babyfaceafrica - it is not as bad as you think. Most of the African historical past were well recorded, both within and Internationally. A great deal of our past can be sourced from many European archives. For example, the Great Benin Empire and it's history were recorded since around 800-900 AD.

The reason you complain about was birthed by Yorubas - deliberate DISTORTION of history for tribal control of present day Yorubas for POLITICAL collateral.

They wrote and canvassed history as a vehicle of Ego tripping, while running others down. Then when you challenge their claims with facts, figures and statistics they start abusing or raining gutter languages at you.

Therefore, the Benin history is not distorted, even many Igbos are happy to trace their ancestry to other places and tribes. For example, many years ago, the Great Zik of Africa (Dr Nnamdi Azikwe) traced the Origin of the Onitsha people to Benin and gladly revealed this in his book. Some other eminent Igbos have the same. In other words, the Onitsha people have Benin ancestry but they are IGBO.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 5:20pm On May 05, 2015

fineguy11:
ur article was insightful until it got to the point were u wrote some fulani men impregnated women from osun,oyo......wouldnt it have been better if u posted the original text,,research books etc that can confirm what u typed?

fineguy11 - sorry if you feel offended by that. I never intended to hurt anyone, not even when Yorubas were hurling insults at me, did I replied in kind.

However the truth remain what I wrote. Maybe I should say they married them and many of the Fulanis descendants are today Yorubas in the part of the country.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 5:16pm On May 05, 2015

NigerMan1:
Omoluyi - my friend History is NOT a mystery that can be unraveled by sorcerers.

Most of our past, fortunately are recorded by the Europeans (Portuguese, French, English, Germans etc)
Many were recorded by Old kings, authorities and partners also in Africa such as the old Fulani Warriors and scholars. And the good news is that a great part of our history are still available in the ARCHIVES in these countries and beyond.

Once you become history researcher, I tell you, no man will ever cheat you again.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 5:05pm On May 05, 2015*

Omoluyi:
Who taught you history? ?

Omoluyi - my friend HISTORY is NOT a mystery that can be unraveled by sorcerers.

Most of our past, fortunately are recorded by the Europeans (Portuguese, French, English, Germans etc)
Many were recorded by Old kings, authorities and partners also in Africa such as the old Fulani Warriors and scholars. And the good news is that a great part of our history are still available in the ARCHIVES in these countries and beyond.

Once you become history researcher, I tell you, no man will ever cheat you again.

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 4:58pm On May 05, 2015

sukkot:
so yorubas are benin ?

sukkot - read the thread from the beginning to fully understand.
That post was referring to the Olukinmi people - not the entire present day Yoruba people

Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 4:55pm On May 05, 2015

nairaman66:
Just read the ethnic bigotry on this thread! You will understand why Nigeria was never meant to be one!

This pull down Sydrome should stop and let all embrace and show the power of love to each other!

nairaman66 - normally discourse that border on HISTORY should be pure academic and scholarly work, that all should enjoy. However the Yorubas has stripped this all important factors when our collective history is brought to the fore. They simply REJECT it forgetting that history is DIFFERENCE from Dogma.

They inadvertently CONCOCT stories for themselves and weaved others into it. And it's so bad when facts, figures and statistics are brought against their story, they kick and insult. Unfortunately, this trend has become part of their culture so much so that they applied this to even non-vital issues.

For example, do you remember that in the late 60s down to late 70s, the Yorubas used the media to spread several unsubstantiated stories such as they are the most EDUCATED groups in Nigeria? They are the first to study in the Universities? That they have more graduates, PhD and Professors?

It came to a head that Fani Kayode went national with this great LIES last year, which prompted many scholars to DISPEL those lies with HISTORICAL facts and dates. It was a big shame...

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Politics › Re: FG To Send Yoruba Teachers To Brazil by NigerMan1: 8:52am On May 02, 2015

GhaliNaaba:
What about ndigbo in France??

Yoruba are very great sha!

GhaliNaaba - it not about being GREAT my bro.
They were slaves that were raided in their various communities and sold in to slavery. Some were later settled in part of present day Brazil with other black slaves.

Inter racial slavery is nothing to be PROUD about at all. It gave away the fact that our fathers were WEAK and disorganized; operated below 'oyinbo' standards.

Unfortunately the same mindset of Low Mentality still plague us in Black Africa and Black dominated territories on planet earth till day.

When you see news like this, the proper reaction is to reflect back to our POOR past, to exert progressive route and modalities for BIGGER futures.

Unfortunately we rather turn it into local 'Tribal Superiority' game - like you just did. And that my friend, is one of the biggest PILLARS for our collective global backwardness.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 9:35pm On Apr 30, 2015

macof:
Someone should do something about all the nonsense this man is posting here
I thought a Mod was following this thread

macof - you and your kinsmen who felt REPULSED about my entries here should immediately visit this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2283894/how-troops-stopped-biafran-soldiers

Can you see how your fellow YORUBAS are busy insulting the Igbos and deriding their revered leader - OJUKWU? And so unfortunate almost all their claims are either completely LIES, or mere 'historical concoction' to abuse the Igbos.

Now would you go there to stop them?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 9:34am On Apr 30, 2015

illiad1:
I also read in my book which I have promised to continue searching for, that a lot of people in present day Ogun state were actually from sierra lone, even in lagos here a lot of those who now claim yoruba& lagos islander and all were actually from sierra lone like Adeniyi Jones, Tiamiyu Savage, campus in fact it maintained that half of the lagos island was occupied by sierra lonians who now go as yorubas

Haa illiad1 - they will kill for this. They hate to hear story like this man.

You know the sons and daughters of Yoruba migrants to Lagos; from Osun, Ogun, Oyo States who'd abandoned their own peculiar history to fight over Lagos economy which they did not partake in building, will ask for your head!

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 9:31am On Apr 30, 2015

isalegan2:
It's a bunch of bullsh!tt! I can't even read any of his posts here all the way through. Never even saw his moniker before.

You don't need a mod to deal with his fuckups. Just treat him like the bum he is.

isalegan2 - you guys are living are living up to the training you'd been passed through at cradle: HYPOCRISY.

The embedded training you Yorubas are exposed are:

Uncouth language;
Lousiness;
Uncultured attitude;
Applying Abusive Words;
Insulting Others with Impunity;
Generally Rude;
Hate Truths that Hurts.

Am not surprised that after you guys went all the way to weave 'history' against others, and now asking for my head because I simply related FACTS of HISTORY about Yoruba - you are busy abusing me and asking for the MOD to intervene.

You claimed I wrote a 'bunch of bullshit?' Well because is not the usual Yoruba Super Story you love to hear? Because it revealed a sore truth about your origin?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 9:21am On Apr 30, 2015

macof:
Someone should do something about all the nonsense this man is posting here
I thought a Mod was following this thread

macof - so you now want the MOD to ban or delete this thread? Don't you think this is hypocritical on your part?

You and your kinsmen are feeling REPULSIVE about the historical facts am relying here, which your elders deliberately hide from you and you failed to searched out?

Some of you claimed EDOS are Yorubas; nobody asked for the MOD...
Some of you called and described EDO history as TRASH; no one called for the MOD...
Even now you tried to vanquished the origin of the Olukimi people as NOT Yoruba; no one called for the MOD...
You also tried to dilute the vastness of the Old Benin Empire, I did not called for the MOD...
Severally on this Nairaland you Yorubas created threads deriding and openly casting down the great Benin history; nobody called for the MOD.

Now I tried to regale you guys with statistically-backed history, which you can trace, come back to either prove me wrong, or right. You chose to asked for the MOD.

What an Hypocrisy!

And if the MOD should delete this thread, I expect the MOD to carry out a thorough research, and if am found to be guilty of CONCOCTING history, then I will turn myself in for prosecution. Until that is done, the onus is on you to prove me wrong on those facts I related, especially as it concern the origin of the word Yoruba and when/how it was applied to grouped you people together in the mid-19th Century.

One facts you guys lack is that these HISTORY are in ARCHIVES begging for people to research them out.

It's your choice if you Yorubas refused to do research, to understand your past. and beginning.

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Politics › Re: Ex-militants Warn APC, Buhari by NigerMan1: 4:30pm On Apr 29, 2015

oluwafemi113:
.

Emtpt threath from hungry and jobless set of people

Time we tells

oluwafemi113 - yes they are 'hungry and jobless' because your region that brought NOTHING to the table is feeding fat on their God given wealth. If you people care to fend for yourselves (and stop being parasitic to ND Oil) would they be hungry and jobless?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:27pm On Apr 29, 2015

letu:
you mean from Igbo to Efik Ibibio then to Cameroon where all slave but it can be the other way as Igbos ruling the Binis.

The problem is that most of you are NEVER history inclined, rather you only depended on what 'you were told' from the cradle. You are used to echoing the fables and ego-based stories being bandied about in your tribe and communities.

Please read look up and read my response to macof and others

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:22pm On Apr 29, 2015*

OROSUNBOLB:
You shouldn't have dignified that f.ool with a response. You should have known that what majority of them lack is education but ironically,they are the ones trying to sell what they do not have. I truly appreciate your contribution. Let's continue to educate them as our fore fathers did. Do have a pleasant day at work.

OROSUNBOLB - It seems you young Yorubas love to promote your lineage in bad light? Why the recourse to insults and application of uncouth languages? Has this dirty behavior now a PERMANENT feature of Yoruba culture. Look OROSUNBOLB this is purely a discourse about HISTORY - not mere claims as you guys are used to.

OROSUNBOLB it seems you're the same fellow who claimed ITSEKIRIS are Yorubas? And I duly responded but you never reply back, but went searching for and supporting your kinsman who spewed uncouth and rude language.

Please Yorubas - stop feeling bad when true history is discussed and revealed.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:16pm On Apr 29, 2015

Funjosh:
TRASH

Okay. Do you also agree or describe most of the Yoruba mythologies and falklores as TRASH?

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