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absoluteSuccess:
I dont have to.

bigfrancis21:
Thanks. I'll go through these links that you provided me!

absoluteSuccess:
You have perfect hatred for your obsession. Ipa ti e np'Ose, ara lofi nsan: you kept revealing every horrible imaginations that is in abundance in you to villify Yoruba. Thrust to the deep for more on Yoruba, you can never arouse sympathy for your cause without pulling Yoruba down, create a thread & get out of here, hopeless loser

bigfrancis21:
In Yoruba mythology, where did Oduduwa come from? He fell from the sky?? Pure mythology. Science has proven that nobody is able to fall from the sky. Now, where did Oduduwa come from into ancient Yoruba territory? Yoruba mythology has failed to answer this question.

Bini historians have the answer. Ekaladerhan (named Oduduwa by Yorubas) was a bini man who, about to be executed, escaped into yoruba territory, Yorubas saw him, named him 'oduduwa' and assumed him to have 'fallen from the sky'. Whatever happened to Ekaladerhan before journeying into Ife territory, the Yorubas do not know. They have no idea but the Binis have the real story.

The Yoruba history is mythology and is incomplete (it doesn't explain where actually 'oduduwa' came from) but the bini story is based on reality and answers questions the yoruba myth has failed to answer.

Aigbofa:
All these centuries the Benin folks just discovered Ekalederhan while they faithfully took the heads of their dead obas to Ife?

makazona:
No i get it.everybody is wrong and u are right.isnt it?
Other person's points are craps while urs are wisdom from heaven?

i know ur type bro.my advice: Learn to take aside bias while discussing with people.talk with open mind and decent language.admit when u are wrong.

go ahead with tribalism.lets see where it takes u

bigfrancis21:
I don't think they are exploiting the myth for any reason whatsoever. They established and ran a much mightier kingdom than Oyo or Ife, with influence extending to as far as Eko (Lagos). Such a dominant power won't be won't exploiting the myth I think.

Truth be told, let us reason as educated adults that we are: nobody is able to fall down from anywhere. Definitely not from the sky. Ife civilization came into fore around the 12th century. Or maybe you're thinking that humans were not existing before Ife came into existence. Mind you, humans had already been existing in the world long before that (Yoruba mythology would want to have you believe the world and civilization started with the 'landing of oduduwa from the sky' in 12th century when people had been existing long before that. Nri civilization is dated to the 9th century) - the egyptians from as early as 3000BC, The Moors, The Romans, The Greeks etc had already been in existence before the earliest Yoruba civilization in the 12th century. Definitely, 'Oduduwa' must have ventured into ancient Yoruba territory from anywhere around them and the binis say it was their son Ekaladerhan whom the Yorubas named 'Oduduwa'. The Binis and Yorubas did have relations, however the frivolous attempt to downplay the Edo contribution to Yoruba civilization is historical hishonesty.

Needless to say,the Bini story is complete in itself as it answers basic questions the Yoruba mythology has failed to answer.

bigfrancis21:
It is a known fact that the Obas of Lagos were buried in Bini land until Oba Akitoye when Lagos was ceded to the British.

Aigbofa:
Ignorance? Why was the heads of dead Benin Obas buried in Ife? Another myth? Maybe the Benin folks just love to bury the heads of their dead obas in foreign lands.
I would wager you just make up your own history as you go along.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

macof:
smh. you didn't address my post but sought to provoke

Anyway I don't consider Yoruba and Edo same people, I consider Yoruba and Edo brothers

Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?

bigfrancis21:
Keep it coming. Oba gha tor kpere! Isee!

@bold...please cite evidence here and lay it bare for everybody to see.

When a lie becomes severally repeated, it sounds like truth to the lying person himself.

ladionline:
Am I suppose to find ways to make Yoruba inferior to Edo? Did I ever write Yoruba stories robbing or mocking any tribe? Yoruba does not need me to shine, it always shine, it is me that needs Yoruba to shine. I am doing my little to ascribe greatness to my source, I believe I never stopped you from putting up Super Superior Edo Stories? Like others, I will keep finding pleasant stories about Yoruba, to share with Yorubas that has wholesome love for their homeland, regardless of whose horse is gored. I know Oduduwa is 'the ultimate evil' to you, but that's my ancestor. Yours can be the immaculate culture, its not mine: I'm okay with my heritage.

ladionline:
Am I suppose to find ways to make Yoruba inferior to Edo? Did I ever write Yoruba stories robbing or mocking any tribe? Yoruba does not need me to shine, it always shine, it is me that needs Yoruba to shine. I am doing my little to ascribe greatness to my source, I believe I never stopped you from putting up Super Superior Edo Stories? Like others, I will keep finding pleasant stories about Yoruba, to share with Yorubas that has wholesome love for their homeland, regardless of whose horse is gored. I know Oduduwa is 'the ultimate evil' to you, but that's my ancestor. Yours can be the immaculate culture, its not mine: I'm okay with my heritage.

macof:
the guy has gross inferiority complex. He mistakes pride in history and culture for Yorubas claiming to be superior...we aren't claiming that with Bariba, Fon, Ewe and Nupe that we conquered. according to him it's Edo we tackle day and night

@Nigerman1 nobody insulted u or insulted ur ancient kingdom...asides SirShymexx statement of Benin empire being landlocked...which he misplaced Empire for kingdom

You are the one hurling insults at over 40million people and hypocritically playing victim of verbal assault.
A pity u don't even know ur Benin history, Oranmiyan is a myth
Where did Oba of Benin come from? The sky?

macof:
Dude u are obviously too emotional.,u say oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed, Yoruba hate each other, Yoruba feel superior, Yoruba are not smart, Yoruba are this and that bla bla bla jst to keep urself saying something and nobody went emotional about that but we all simply ignored ur nonsense...allowing u to pour out ur emotions

if u think Yoruba have superiority complex as much as u claim because many have pride. maybe because when u look at Yoruba what you see is superiority...but then that's left for u to sort out

ladionline:
You have spoken well, I believe your post is provocative to the Yorubas just as the above.

macof:
Don't come here that famous line Mr. u jst hailed Nigerman1 for most of the crap he posted jst because it's against Yoruba not because it's true

Where did I disrespect anybody?

macof:
@ NigerMan1
When are u going to stop ur emotional blabbing? Nobody insulted you or Bini

No Yoruba person insults Bini, we see Edos as brothers and don't discriminate towards u in the slightest manner. Yoruba history cannot be said without touching Bini jst like Bini history cannot be said without touching Ife, Oyo and Eastern Yoruba Towns
Bini or Edo as u like to call it is jst one single tribe..Yoruba is an ethnic constellation of tribes. so technically Yoruba not only have a larger population, bigger land we also are more influential. it's that simple no need for emotions that don't get us anywhere

Benin kings set up Lagos monarchy? What Lagos history do u know? The Awori set up Lagos monarchy.. go to Iseleko(downtown Lagos island) and ask who the Idejo chiefs are..
No offence to Oba of Lagos(commonly referred as Eleko) but he is not the ruler of Eko but a figure head, traditionally he owns nothing more than his palace(built as a gift for him on the island farm of Aromire - one of the Idejo chiefs) ..the Idejo chiefs are the rulers - the law makers and land owners...outside Asipa settling disputes among the Chiefs and his son Ado permanently residing in Eko, Benin nation had no power or influence over the Idejo chiefs because they owned more lands than even the Oba of Benin had to his name. Any form of presumed tributary was of the appreciation of having a neutral counsel in person of Ado

Very similar to the situation at which Oranmiyan found himself in Bini before Oba Ewedo suppressed the Bini chiefs and defeated Ogiamen

macof:
Not trying to plant a seed of division in the Yoruba nation now are u?

If only Bini, Owan, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo can come together as one you would be better off than divided along meaningless political lines

ladionline:
My God, all this treatise for me as a Yoruba man? Only Jesus can pay for this 'heap of sin'. But your points are noted. And @NigerMan1, tell your Benin folks to stop seeing Awori jurisdiction of Lagos as their outpost. Thanks man.

ladionline:
All bravery are traced to you guys na,

why should Yoruba compete with you?

macof:
more jokes...are u a comedian?
Go ask ur uncles about Lord Oranmiyan and how he was sent to wipe ur asses if not for Ogiamen he would have succeeded in completely colonising u folks

macof:
more jokes...are u a comedian?
Go ask ur uncles about Lord Oranmiyan and how he was sent to wipe ur asses if not for Ogiamen he would have succeeded in completely colonising u folks

BraniacX:
Don't be too busy
Post the link written by this phantom itsekiri author so we can dissect and digest.
Being linked to yoruba's only elicits two emotions
revulsion and disgust

And when you say the Benin empire was landlocked, I hope you're aren't extrapolating the current geo-political confines of the Benin kingdom to the ancient Benin empire 'Cos that will make you seem both daft and ignorant and if you are the history buff you claim to be, you'll know that at its height, the Benin empire shared borders with Dahomey in the west with a claim for the founding of Lagos or Eko(war camp in Bini) being made and also early portugese explorers searching for and finding in Benin City the capital of the empire with whom they traded with and interacted at the coast and even receiving embassage in lisbon from the and I quote "mighty benin mornach" in the person of one of his sons and the much we know of the Bini empire today from that era comes not from theories or thesis, oral traditions and superstitions, assumptions and myths but from actual recorded accounts of these early explorers and that is why it was called an "empire" back then, not kingdom as it is known today!!!

So what empire were you saying was landlocked again

BraniacX:
Suit yourself with as many theories as you like, it won't still create any affectations in those you noisily and vehemently claim kinship with except those of convenience.
As for the richness of the yoruba culture, because you're so myopic and self centred you study and are besotted with yourself alone you begin to think the whole world revolves around you, who are you to say the ibo, nupe, efik, kanuri cultures are not as rich if not richer than the yoruba culture? When it comes to african art, after ancient egyptian art, which is the second most valuable african culture in terms of monetary value attached to its art? Clue for you is, its Nigerian but not yoruba!! You busy yourselves trying to claim origin of one concept or thought after another you fail to realise that though different and distinct, ancient cultures interacted and shared concepts, thoughts, gods and even sometimes names with one another but that made them by no means products of one another, it only made them culturally related and this isn't unique to africa or asia alone or maybe you'll like to convonce me that the romans descended from the greeks and the greeks descended from the babylonians abi Because that would be why certain concepts, deities and practices were passed from culture to culture over a millenia give or take a few tweaking aNd name changes here and there.
So as for your names pointing to origin not interactions, tell that fib to the gods
CHIKENA!!!

gatiano:
Yoruba, Igbo, Calabar, Efik, Ebira, Bini, Togo, down to Ghana and few others belong to one single Tribe. I can even say that we are so mixed up that we are lost. We speak a particular language because somewhere along the line, our ancestors migrated there.
What i don't understand is what is the difference between oyinbo and oyibo? they are both the same thing.

The whiteman in yoruba hidden trickingly and carefully to us is "ika" meaning devil.
what does that mean in Igbo language?

There are only two tribes left intact, and those are the tribes that weren't captured during the slavery times, The ethiopian/sudan and the mali/bulinafaso(Dogon). The others were greatly displaced during the migration from the north.

gatiano:
Is Yoruba a tribe?
Is Igbo a tribe
Is Edo a tribe
Ibibio, etc within Nigeria, Are they all seperate tribes?

Pardon me if i asked wrong.

macof:
Oh jst to add some more ancient names of Yoruba ancestors before Oranmiyan went to help the Edos establish obaship

Obalesun, Obalara, Obalale, Obawinrin, Obaluru, Obalase, Obaloran, Obatala, Obaluaye...that's enough

Oba as the same root word as Iba "ba" - to pay homage, give honour
Same u find in Baba

Funny how Edo had to wait for Oranmiyan before they started using Oba...imagining Oba is native to Edo

SirShymexx:
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Lol. Stop spamming my mentions with illiteracy and "likes" from Igbo muppets. You can't even write coherently to begin with - and your knowledge of history is pub level at best.

Go get better educated Bini folks on my level, who actually understand history, timeline etc. to debate me. I don't do illiterate-speak.

"I don't debate those below me - I educate them" - Prof. John Henrik Clarke.

gatiano:
i have a question. Do you think Igbo, Edo, Yoruba are each a tribe?

SirShymexx:
Lol.

This doesn't even deserve a reply - pure nonsense straight from Edoworld.

The only thing I'll say is: check the map of Bini empire to see if it was landlocked or not. And ask your Bini elders why they needed Itsekiri middlemen to trade with Europeans, if they were the first to have contacts with them.

Then, go read Itsekiri history (I'll recommend Prof. Itse Sagay's scholarship), and read about Itsekiri clans like: Ugborodo, Ogidiben etc. to know why they still hold on to their Ijebu links.

Have a nice life - it's difficult debating a vacuous airhead. Go find someone who's better acquainted with Bini history - so I can post academic links from academics/historians/archaeologists/anthropologists.

SirShymexx:
Well, I think you lack basic reading and comprehension skills - and reading in context isn't your forte. If you had taken time to read in context of what/who was reply was directed at - you would have seen that. Macof cited "Edoworld" - that's a website I've visited in the past, and I'm acquainted with the hyperbole on there - hence I labelled the folks on the website a lost cause. I neither denigrated your ethnic group nor vaunted superiority...but I did call out folks who're notorious for junk historical inaccuracies.


Er, you asserted that "Oba" is a Bini word - are you saying both "Obalufon" (an Ife king before Bini moved from Ogiso to Obaship), and "Obanta" (the progenitor of the Ijebus who existed way before Binis had an empire and/or started Obaship) also came from Bini? - bwahahahahaha. Like I said earlier - hyperbole is the bane of Bini history. You have got a great history, and there's no point adding extras, to boost ya non-existent egos. Stick with facts.

Also, do you know Obanta actually founded an Ijebu town in the 15th century called: "Obalufon"?

Image of Obalufon's head/mask here:


My dear SirShymexx, let me reply you point by point:

1) You wrote: "Well, I think you lack basic reading and comprehension skills - and reading in context isn't your forte..."

Well as I said earlier, using abusive, derogatory words on others is part of the upbringing of an average Yoruba person. And you my friend, have not disappointed here at all. Once again, you are excused for abusing me, for I do not expect anything better when I launch into this discussions. In fact, I realized since the late 70s up till today, if a Yoruba man use decent language and word during discussions of this nature (where you often claim superiority) is but a 'plus'


2) You wrote: "Macof cited "Edoworld" - that's a website I've visited in the past, and I'm acquainted with the hyperbole on there - hence I labelled the folks on the website a lost cause. I neither denigrated your ethnic group nor vaunted superiority...but I did call out folks who're notorious for junk historical inaccuracies."

So my friend, you think you have superior knowledge to label the histories others are telling about their forefather's sojourn on earth as 'hyperbole' or 'junk historical inaccuracies' ? Maybe you're right - but herein lies the popular Yoruba hypocrisy down the ages.

While you're busy poking into others history to vanish it, you're at the same UPHOLDING your own history? Haba? So if those Edo stories on that site you quoted are folktales and lies, what do you call your own Yoruba Oduduwa story? My friend, let me tell you 99% of your Oduduwa 'history' is folktales, folklore, and mythology. In fact, Oduduwa was never a human being, but was a chief demon god that demand human sacrifices...

... and up till today, human beings are still being used to appease or worship the demon god called oduduwa.


3) You wrote: "Er, you asserted that "Oba" is a Bini word - are you saying both "Obalufon" (an Ife king before Bini moved from Ogiso to Obaship), and "Obanta" (the progenitor of the Ijebus who existed way before Binis had an empire and/or started Obaship) also came from Bini?"

Sorry your so called "Obanta" is a complete folklore and later smuggled into your Yoruba history to score a cheap point . What I discovered you guys do sometimes whenever you want to bring down or supplant other true history with yours is that you carefully create a folklore and back date it. This is where your "Obalufon" and "Obanta" stuff is coming in.

Also we are talking about OBA - not Obanta and Obalufon. Look they don't sound the same. How was the Obanta called? There is a vast difference between calling a King "Oba of..." and a generic "Obanta"

Some Questions For You...

>> What happened to those titles and stool?

>> Why are the Kings no more called "Obalufon" and "Obanta" even as at many 100s years ago? Where are their descendants?

>> Why are today kings in the same locations, now being called a different titles?

>> Why do these "Obalufon" and "Obanta" only existed in the dark ages when there was no recorded histories?


4) You wrote: ""Obanta" (the progenitor of the Ijebus who existed way before Binis had an empire and/or started Obaship) also came from Bini?"

Very interesting, how you guys are firing from all cylinders to promote Yoruba history as very 'great' in all fronts and others very little. Now the latest is gradually bringing Ijebu that was never a force to reckon with in the olden days as a 'mighty' clan even before the Ogisos.

What then happen to the Ijebus, say 400-750 years ago?


5) You wrote: "...hyperbole is the bane of Bini history. You have got a great history, and there's no point adding extras, to boost ya non-existent egos. Stick with facts."

My brother, why talking like this? Can't see you're emitting "SUPERIORITY' mindset that is peculiar only to the Yorubas whenever our history become the subject?

What qualified you to described my own history as "HYPERBOLE" and your own Yoruba history as the "TRUTHS" ?


6) You wrote: "Also, do you know Obanta actually founded an Ijebu town in the 15th century called: "Obalufon"?

Image of Obalufon's head/mask here"


Haaa! Let me borrow your word here; This is all HYPERBOLE!!!

Yes - your "obalufon" and "Obanta" history is a complete HYPERBOLE.

Moreover the mask is not a big deal. All ethnic nationalities of the earth generally create artworks and sculptures to promote the folklore and beliefs they created. This is simply one of them. So it can never be tendered as a proof.

Am still battled that you find it very easy to denigrate the Benin histories and describing your Yoruba as "real".