₦airaland Forum

multicast:
thank you very much, i know a lot of women say men dont like settling down this days but i must confess, this experience is enough to pack the bag and leave, if you love a woman and all that u get is a recurrence of what u abolish, its not worth it. but i love her so much, its why her manners and ways are affecting me so badly. i have an exam on the way and i cant focus. i told her about this and she dint say a word...still on malice episode

multicast- let me warn very well. You are being sentimental. You obviously understand LOVE in the modern concept filled with deception and vagary.

I can perceive what you mean by "I love her so much" means you love certain attributes about her.

Now you are explaining some salient factors here: Listen if you continue like this, you may be emotionally destroyed and get your health affected in the process.

Is either you get a divorce as soon as possible. Or go see a counsellor to help you guys resolve the issue and help her change her rude and hot temper nature.

Bro I speak from vast experience and knowledge about marriage / relationship. Once a partner start suffering emotional and psychological trauma...

... he/she is only getting closer to the grave: financially, professionally, health wise, social output, spiritual well being will all be negatively affected.

The Solution!

You either allow her go meet her kind. Or she must accept to change. Anyway the decision is yours!!!

multicast:
thanks brother, i was never love bling, i wasnt the kind of newby in relationship so there was never a time i was love blind, i have always call her attention to the issue and how much it brings gap into a marriage, now i need to know what exactly do i do to solve this problem, i dont wanna have to join the league of divorced couple but i must say, i cant focus once she starts cuz i love her a lot.

This is where your problem is: You saw and experienced her TEMPERMENTAL Attitude and you went ahead and marry!

Bro that's a big blunder.

One of the key elements for marriage is: "Don't marry a man/woman with rude, hot temper nature".

It's a no-go area unless you're ready to live with the consequences.

I also believe you guys did not submit to serious counselling before marriage and is hurting you. And you NEVER seek out counselling, advice about her behaviour before marrying.

Maybe you loved other things about her like sex, physical nature etc, but the foundation your marriage will be built upon, were ignored at the outset.

It's entirely your fault man.

Am not writing to admonish you but to help you think better about the issue. And to also assist the many young guys and ladies here.

I know this much because I once made this same mistake.

macof:
Mr.man u have emotional problems, you obviously see yourself inferior to Yoruba that is why you keep accusing Yoruba$of a superiority complex...if you see superiority in a Yoruba that's ur business....but truly am honoured to know you only see superiority in Yoruba even though you don't admit it, it's obvious and it's eating you up

I can't be arguing itsekiri with you, you have placed yourself beneath me already
Just let the itsekiri tell their story...they already are

Macof the major problem about many Nigerians is they love 'history' but are lazy to do the work it require to be informed. And for many of you Yorubas you see and regard history as a tribal weapon not truth.

When you guys start shooting below the belt without facts; without academic and scholarly inputs and you're confronted with higher proofs - then you often report to what you are doing now:

>>. Using gutter language
>>. Using abusive words
>>. Engaging in swear words and innuendoes.

Now macof can you now claim to be educated? Your history story are bare, filled with conjectures, without a solid proof, yes you are too quick to abuse and insult.

Is that a sign of better intelligence?

Or are you telling people such attitude is part of Yoruba culture and history?

macof:
Why do you people come up with all this nonsense?

Oyo wasn't the largest or longest running empire
Wiki says Ghana empire was 300-1200

And in size, Mali, Kanem-bornu and Songhai were larger than Oyo

I stopped reading when you said Ewe and Aja are in Benin city...that just made me laugh seriously
Here read this it's a starter
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewe_people
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_people

Macof - I hope you know Wikipedia is an open file that permit any person to edit?

So try to always provide scholarly or academic or well researched work, not Wikipedia. to power your claim. For most part, historical entries in Wikipedia by Nigerians are manipulated and embellished.

macof:
says the man who calls the father of his King a myth

Your problem is to diminish the Yoruba, I appreciate your effort, cus if you didn't see glory in Yorubas there won't be anything to try to beat down
It's a compliment you honour me really

...
True the royal lineage is Bini origin..the people are of Ijebu and received later Igala settlers
That's why you have Ijekiri - Ije kiri - Voyage of wandering about
Like Ijebu - Ije bu - voyage of the deep


Itsekiri ancestors were wandering Ijebu seafarers

stop your bigotry. Even the Itsekiri are now coming out to embrace their Yoruba blood

Macof - another latest Yoruba fables and LIES claiming others ancestry through the back door. Hear your own incoherent story.

So if I'd not stated that Itsekiri were NOT Yoruba and proved they were a mixture of many different tribes and settlers (Ijebus, Igalas etc) who're wanderers and SLAVES under the old Benin Kings, you won't admit this much? (Remember you previously claimed Itsekiris were Yorubas)

You wrote: "Itsekiri ancestors were wandering Ijebu seafarers"

Can you provide solid scholarly work to prove this? I hope you know the meaning of "seafarers"? Bro you mean Ijebus were good on sea in the olden days? Who thought them the secret of the sea? Why are they more sea champion today? How did they 'conquered' the sea from their abode to move far down to present day Warri?

Please provide more scholarly work and evidence for this story. (Do not send me Wikipedia your ilk normally go to manipulate. Let me have a solid academic and research work.)

You wrote: "stop your bigotry. Even the Itsekiri are now coming out to embrace their Yoruba blood"

Am sure you're referring to the political alignment? Maybe you're too young or lack proper understanding how politics works in this country since the 60s. Political alignment has been an integral part of the Nigeria politics, and is not new.

Let me give you some example:

>> The present day Edo/Delta once aligned with Yoruba of the mainstream South West, due to proximity to each other. Macof, does that translate to 'embracing another blood'?

>> Awolowo once led Yoruba nation to align with the Fulani North, which he used to massively benefit the South West in the early 70s. Macof, does that translate to Yorubas embracing the Fulani's blood?

>> The Yoruba in Kwara and Kogi, have always (since the 60s) 100% aligned with the Fulani/Hausa north and most of the political Juggernauts such as late Sunday Awoniyi, Olushola Saraki etc, were trained by Saudauna of Sokoto and were fully integrated with the Northern politics and totally shun Awolowo AG/UPN. Macof, does that translate to Yorubas embracing the Fulani's blood?

>> Even presently Tinubu aligned with the mainstream Fulani / Hausa hegemonic political power. Macof, does that translate to Yorubas embracing the Fulani's blood?

Here is one big problem about some of you Yorubas: Someone align, identify and partner with you, then you are claiming superiority?

Now let's talk about Yoruba: Macof I hope you still know your real identity among present day Yorubaland? Am Edo. Who're are you really? Are you Egba, Ekiti, Ibadan, Oyo, Ijesha, Akure, Remo, Awori? Which one are you really.

MrPresident1:
Oduduwa's sons are the Obas of Yorubaland. Not all 'Yoruba' are Oduduwa, but all the Obas are, this is why all the Obas trace their lineage to Oduduwa, and their subjects claim to be children of Oduduwa.

Oduduwa brought civilization from the East, Heaven, to 'Yorubaland'. He conquered and assimilated the aboriginal tribes and made his children their kings. This is akin to how the Fulanis are the Emirs of Hausaland. The Fulani are not Hausa.

It was warfare that drove Oduduwa from his superior civilization in the the East, to regions beyond the rivers of Ethiopia.

Oduduwa is not a single person, Oduduwa is a mass of people who were fleeing warfare where they were coming from, who arrived subdued, subjugated, and civilized the aborigines.

Oduduwa is kinda like an ensign, a standard, an ori of sorts.

MrPresident1 - I laugh at your story

Please let's continue to strive to DISTINGUISH between tribal fables and scholarly works of history. They are two distinct and far between.

Ask yourself: "Did I really believe this story?"

You may say yes because it gives you a sense of tribal comfort and maybe massage your ego. But if you hear same fables and folktales from another tribe, then your human intelligence will spring up to confront it. Do same to this story you just posted here.

Finally do you know there are more than 12 versions of Oduduwa story in Yorubaland? Some believe he was a woman... some wrote he was a spirit who converted into human... some claimed he came from Arabs... and so on.

I remember in the 70s and 80s the biggest and most accepted story about Oduduwa among Yorubas was that he was the 'Progenitor' of all Yorubas. Now in the last few years, that angle is being rested, giving way to other concocted stories like the one you just posted.

The reason why you guys continue to weave stories upon stories about Oduduwa is to cover up the true identity of Oduduwa; selling political lies that all modern day Yorubas came or originated from the same Oduduwa and source.

Sapphiredamsel:
Wow wow wow, how I love history. I'm quite enlightened this morning .

Sapphiredamsel - be careful what you read here. Most so called histories being bandied about are more often weaved in lies, half truth, deliberate distortions and meant to manipulate minds like you.

The writes in most cases do these to achieve a set goals:
1. To massage tribal ego,
2. To promote tribal superiority,
3. To rubbish other tribe,

At the end, truth is sacrificed!

Sapphiredamsel if you must know, understand and become knowledgeable in any aspect of history, then you must be ready to pay the price yourself.

Waspy:
Igbos.....studying YORUBA history since 1900. Una no go graduate I swear.

Waspy - you are making an academic blunder here.

History as a field of study is NOT tribal in nature. In fact is not for the faint hearted. It involves extremely intense research, rigorous investment, propel by huge passion.

That is why most people don't dare it, why most don't know the history of their own fathers but allow to be told all sort of fables and tales about their history.

Now let me ask you Waspy: Is it only Yoruba history you know? Do you know or have idea about Egyptian history? Hausa history? 1st World War? 2nd World War? Arab history? Jewish history? and so on?

So why questioning an Igbo for knowing Yoruba history? Except if you meant to tell me your history is SECRET and not in the open domain.

macof:
Lmao won ti gbe tuntun de
Itsekiri are Yoruba speakers, I can relate with the language
They have linguistic and ancestral ties with Ijebu

A non-Yoruba teaching us our history..ok go on...write a book while you at it
I don't know why Yoruba keep giving you people headache..all u bigots

macof - sorry bro. Yoruba is giving who headache?
That's way above the topic here. Why must you claim the ancestral lineage of another tribe?

The issue here you responded is about Itsekiri - not Yoruba.

Itsekiris are ancestrally Benin - the language, culture, kingship etc are Benin formation.

You talked about Ijebu as if Ijebu were ever a force to reckon with in the olden days? The land known today as Itsekiri was a mixture of different migrants and Benin slaves: Ijebus, Igalas etc.

That's why they have mixed languages developed over the years including a bit of Yoruba. However over 80% of Itsekiri linguistic is Benin.

pazienza:
I am not a Yoruba, I am Igbo. But I know that Itsekiris always have a soft spot for Yorubas, that's why I said, "if they(Itsekiris) permit".

pazienza - 'soft spot' should not erode a people culture, history and ancestral lineage. Moreover I perfectly understand what you mean by 'soft spot' - you referring to political alignment. Some Itsekiri leaders are doing that now because of disagreement and in-fighting with their Niger Delta brothers; the Ijaws and Urobhos.

makosine:
yorubas has been nice to non indigene ,so dont let be fools again,lagos be ware and warned

makosine - please keep off this funnt tirade about "Yoruba nice to strangers" which you people started parroting some years ago. And why do you guys often mention Lagos you talked about Yoruba being nice and strangers?

Sorry, I know tribalism and hateful egos, will not allow you people accept the truth. Lagos was earmaked by the Federal Government as a Federal capital terrotory and Commercial Center of Nigeria. Therefore, to activate the twin-position, most Federal government projects were concentrated in Lagos.

That's why Federal government built the Sea ports. Oil receptor known as Atlas Cove... Airports... Bridges such as Eko and Third mainland bridges... Estates... Major military barracks... Major road networks... New towns and so on.

So people came to Lagos for this reason and NOT because Yorubas are nice to strangers. In fact, you Yorubas also came to Lagos to hustle. As long as you are not an Awori, not Epe, not Badagry - you are also a "stranger in Lagos"

And should you want to take Lagos back? Then kindly submit all the Government establishment in Lagos built with Niger Delta oil.

pazienza:
The loss of Ilorin must be painful to the SW Yorubas, while the Ilorin people themselves, seem not to care, I can relate to the pain of the SW Yorubas, I pray that one day, they will be able to unite the whole of Yoruba speaking people, from Kwara and Kogi, and even the Itsekiris, if they permit.

Nothing is sweeter than for Brothers and sisters to dwell together, I envy monoethnic countries like Germany,Korea and Japan, it must be a great feeling sharing same country with just people from your ethnic language only, you can go to any part of the country and speak your local lect confident that everyone understands you.

pazienza - you are LIAR. And a big one too. Listen to me very carefully; ITSEKIRIS are not Yoruba speaking people. If you do not know the history of the Itsekiris, kindly go do intense research and read widely how a nation, town and people in a place become known as 'same tribe' in modern day.

Even you Yorubas of today DID NOT originate from same place, same time, same ancestry. The word "Yoruba" was used to describe you and bring you under same influence is more political than traditional and culture.

Most of you in Yoruba land easily get hoodwinked with lies and fables your elder are weaving about other tribes, because it make you feel 'superior'.

MrPresident1:
Oduduwa did not come from Benin, Oduduwa came from the East, Heaven. Oduduwa is also the progenitor of the Bini: and they all came from heaven. I can prove it from the Bible.

MrPresident1 - this una well-known fallacious Oduduwa story again? And who told you "Oduduwa is also the progenitor of the Bini"? Is that another Yoruba version (latest one now) or you're simply making it up?

Simply to accept events and incidents that happened centuries ago is soooo difficult for you guys. You often find ways to weave fabulous stories to tarnish others history and subtly elevating yours.

Sorry to DISAPPOINT - Oduduwa is NOT the progenitor of the Bini. He was a Bini prince who escaped to Ife. The East you guys are talking about is actually Benin.

prettydiva89:
of course why won't he beat you when your kid together is out of wedlock,why won't he take you for granted..
But that's a bad thing to do anyway

prettydiva89 - you sound like a very young or inexperience girl, or both. Please let me strongly advice you and others in your belief world:

1) Men don't show respect, honour and loyal love to women because of MARRIAGE.

2) Women who have kids for men "in wedlock" do NOT receive better attention or gratitude than women with kids "out of wedlock"

3) The concept known as "wedlock" only confer legal rights to women - and NOTHING more!

4) Over 95% of domestic violence or women battery are committed by men against women they are "legally married" to. (My dear prettydiva89, don't you read newspapers or observe the happenings in your environment?)

5) Men respects and adore their children, whether "wedlock" or not

6) When a man start beating a wife, known the reasons are numerous, such as incompatibility, sexual differences, social inequilibrium, family issues, vengeance, pretense, friends meddlesomeness and so on.

AdeniyiA:
Unfortunately I couldn't see where he said his own salary too has not been paid for the past 5months .
Who are these dumbheads ruling us
why can't he even learn from his 'oga' Tinubu who revolutionalize revenue generation nd collection and became independent in state sustenance when Obasanjo refused it federal allocation. ?
I can't blame them but d people who voted for them, instead of engaging people in intellectual discuss of ideas and manifestos, they keep dancing shoki, throwing jabs at opponents, engaging in propaganda ....
I pray we get there ...

@ AdeniyiA - Please do not spread this open propaganda about Tinubu/Obasanjo again. Here is what happened:

After Tinubu created the extra LCDA, Obasanjo asked him to reverse to the number of LGAs recognized in the constitution. Tinubu refused and went ahead to gazetted the LCDA in the Lagos Govt books.

Then Obasanjo withheld the LAGOS STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT allocation for about 3months +, totaling N10Billion naira.

Unfortunately as with everything Tinubu style and somewhat in South West, they quickly converted it into "positive campaign propaganda" that OBJ withheld Lagos allocation but Tinubu survived it.

There is a vast difference between State allocation and LGA allocation.

AdeniyiA, now on how "Tinubu survived"? He does not have to "survive" because it DID NOT affect Lagos revenue at all. In fact Tinubu took advantage of the period and increased the task of the Lagos workers, telling them he needs the extra fund to pay the LGA workers.

Bro, there is no need to glory in this issue. No need to tribalize it either. Lagos is not Tinubu or South West economy. The economy was created EXCLUSIVELY by the Federal Government, developed and sustained by the Niger Delta oil, with ripples effects for commercial activities and taxes from all sectors.

VEE2010:
Mr Governor,

I don't want to believe you personally said all these... Infact, if truly you made this confession, I'm afraid we do not have a government in Osun state. You may recall that, a major point of your re-election campaign was to consolidate on the acclaimed progress you made during your first tenure. If at any point you said this, here are my words;
As a governor, you have failed in strategic planning. Undue empowerment of thugs that rigged you into office is not job creation. For instance, the so-called OYES created by your govt. How can a governor come into office and increase the indebtedness of the state all in the name of job creation without proper consideration of other factors? Did you consider your external and internal revenue when this scheme and others were created? If yes, did you project your revenue on both positive and negative view point? I understand, Osun is a civil service state so to speak, does it mean that, there is no IGR in Osun state? Why have you failed to account for IGR? Okay, where is your acclaimed infrastructural development if this is to go by? It is sad you have finally confessed that, substantial part of the federal allocation received ever since you became governor has been used up on recurrent expenditure and neglecting capital projects (infrastructure) at the expense of the poor masses. I understand, this will not affect you directly because, you'll come back to your resident in Lagos after your tenure. What about the poor masses who are suppose to use these infrastructure? Mr Governor, I still don't believe this statement came directly from you.

We need a change but not this kind of change.

@ VEE2010 - The man is being upright and honest.

Most other Governors are playing the ostrich; they are borrowing large sums of cash to avoid public ridicule. In fact what you may called "Generational Debts" is going on in many states since last year. A good example is Ogun state

adebisi000:
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/03/25/why-i-owe-osun-workers-5-months-salary-aregbesola/


What a clumsy excuse from a failed governor from a failed party.

I think this should serve as a REMINDER to some people who ignorantly boast that they can do without oil. In fact some people take their empty boastfulness to the ridiculous saying "they are NOT benefiting from Niger Delta oil"

And in any simple argument you hear some fellows telling people from Niger Delta; "To hell with your oil" , "Go to your region..."

Now you guys can now see clearly that OIL FROM NIGER DELTA has been feeding this country since the late 50s? Yes, feeding the whole country, either directly or indirectly.

Please is high time the people of the ND are respected as the late Chief Gani Fawehiunmi stated, "The Niger Delta is the hewer of woods and drawer of water of Nigeria Economy"

Yomieluv:
Before his wealth,which his father stole as a governor.

You are partly right. His wealth started during/ after his father became governor. But he entered the real BIG LEAGUE when he started fronting for Government guys and politicians by holding oil blocks.

johnbosco97:
Stop lying Kalabari people are not Ijaw. My doctor friend who is a Kalabari always frown being called Ijaw. Please tell us another story. He said that Ijaws are descendants of Portuguese servants that settled in coastlines, hence their language similarities with Portuguese creoles. Please stop fabricating stories that will mislead uninformed people. Anyway am yet to see a Kalabari that call himself I jaw.

@ johnbosco97 - the Kalabaris people are 100% Ijaws. They are in fact, one of the most important clans of the Ijaw nation. Yes because the word "Ijaw" is humongous; covers more than 50 clans with linear cultural and linguistic differences, it is normal to find few people to prefer to be known by their primary clan identity.

Now if they are not Ijaw, why is Asari Dokubo, Professor Tam David West, Taribo West etc, openly called or referred to themselves as IJAWS?

realborn:
Was at Buguma Kingdom last Friday for an IYA marriage of my brother-in-law at the Town Council Building and was stunned at the existence of such a close knit settlement with bubbly economic activities and residents. The architecture of the buildings in mixed precolonial and colonial themes was fascinating. Roads were interlocked and main entrance doors of buildings opened directly to the narrow alley but well organised and maintained roads. I loved the scenery deeply.

The people are extremely accommodating. The preservation of cultural values and tradition is amazing. Was surprised that a traditional council of chiefs existed to administer marriages and issue certificates. As a Yoruba indigene I was quite impressed. The process of my traditional marriage to my beloveth Yoruba wife did not have such related connotations.

I love Buguma and look forward to visit soon and possibly make a documentary. To think that the kingdom existed since the 15th century and transportation has been by water until 2001 was a shocking revelation.

The central government should make efforts to connect all related kingdoms that are yet to have connecting bridges to land.

The 40 mins drive from Choba was worthwhile!

@ realborn - thanks for your short summary bro. I wish all Yorubas and every Nigerian possess your open-minded heart; openly appreciating good things about others, especially when you feel is somehow 'better' or more colorful than ours.

akinsadeez:
The days of humble beginnings......back when men were little boys.


Its a testament to him that he rose from this seemingly humble background to become the global icon that he is today.

But no one has heard of his siblings. Just shows that kids might have the same parents but different destinies.

His younger brother is equally great and internationally successful medical doctor and researcher. The major difference is the Prof Wole is more famous

absoluteSuccess:
I believe madam Idia is a saint, and her worshippers are choosen. Whatever you like about Oduduwa, say it and keep saying it wherever you go.

Do you read to comprehend or to twist and fight? Not all Edo is involve in your crusade.



you are trying to corner the fair-minded guy into your complex agony? Your sentence above shows that you are perturbed typing the post, so put up a facade of lies to cover your envy. Your compatriot will somersault in such instance.

Breaking words into syllable is not 'corner theory', it is a function of semiotics. If you are incapable of this with your language, blame your 'linguistic IQ' or your language, don't blame others whose language permit such flexibility.

Don't be an enemy of what you see in others but you don't have.

@absoluteSuccess - you'd succeeded in turning the topics/issues into a brickbats which an average Yoruba man is extremely capable of. You'd not only shown a high pedigree of AVOIDING the main points of the discourse, but engaged in PLATITUDES.

For example, you talked about madam Idia being a saint or not? I think you're veiling referring to my statement that people still worship Oduduwa with human sacrifice in the modern days? If yes, how did that disprove my assertions? Yes in the olden days, human sacrifices was an integral part of Benin culture as was with all black African cultural practices.

However the good news that heinous practice was ENDED in Edo long ago. All modern traditional rulers, at both ascension and burial are no more buried with human beings. No deity in Edo is worshiped with human blood in the this age.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said with you Yorubas. Many of your traditional rulers, are sitting upon Human beings (pregnant women, young virgins etc). Many of your deities still demand human blood and parts for sacrifice. ODUDUWA is number one.

AbsoluteSuccess - is this true or not?

SmartChoices:
Ffk should explain his role in fathering ojukwu's children via Bianca!

@ SmartChoices - now see what you just typed. You know Ojukwu was and still is highly regarded among Igbos as a father figure as much as Yorubas regard Awolowo.

SmartChoices, the topic of this thread is not about Igbo/Ojukwu, but PDP/APC politics. So why drafting massive, denigrating input of another's tribe leader into the fray?

And unfortunately many of your own tribal fellows are liking your distasteful comments instead of calling you to order.

Meanwhile you want your own tribal leaders and fathers to be honored, respected and adulated? You hate it when people expose the past of people like Awolowo and his ilks, but find it easy to pull down others.

bokohalal:
With the advent of trade with early Europeans to the Guinea coast, the people of the Niger delta , with the Benin Empire as the main focus , acquired manufactured goods, plants and animals that were hitherto unknown to the natives. These items were identified by the natives as of European origin
Edin-EBO - Pineapple
Umwen-EBO- Sugar
Ivin- EBO- Coconut (now just known as IVIN. Formerly called KOKODIA)
Esi- EBO - PIG ( Now commonly called ELEDE. From Yoruba)
AYON - EBO- Liquor

Note that they were named after what the indigenous people felt was most similar to the imported goods in their environment.

They will soon tell you are lying. They will break the words in syllable and claimed they have their origin Yoruba.

absoluteSuccess:
I am bias, such is the way of demons.
Thank you for all you have shared so far.

@ absoluteSuccess - you are welcome.

And am glad you are closing discourse yourself, tough you tacitly AVOIDED my salient questions and issues raised about your Yoruba general attitude to Edo culture.

Finally talking abot Oduduwa as a 'demon god' go read my posts very well again. I expressed the fact that up till today in some part of Yorubaland, oduduwa is still being worshiped with human blood and parts.

This may sound insulting to you - but it remained unassailable FACT!

absoluteSuccess:
friend, you never use profane language in any of your post, you use immaculate words. You are a product of the most advance culture in the world. Your theories are absolute, unlike 'corner theory' that Yorubas are found of propagating. It is as valid as E=mc2.

After you have report me to your compatriot, you can still sue me for not getting involve with you. The Yoruba is an issue of constant sorrow to the two of you, it unite you both in resistance, I do not want to get involve with you because I don't have the same kind of hatred you harbour for others.

Or better still, if it is 'love' that you call it, I don't have the same kind of 'love' you have for Yoruba for your people, so I wont be all over the net looking for how to humble the Igbo or the Edo, but since this is needed for you guys to feel 'something', I can't reprimand you. It is part of your concept of "fulfillment in life".

As my name imply, I wish you success in this your special endeavor.

Ciao.

@ absoluteSuccess - I must admit you are trying to sound neutral and decent, but BIAS at the same time.

You'd been more concerned about my posts to disprove them by highlighting what you consider rude or wrong.

But here are some facts for you...


>> You seems not to realize I did not start this whole discourse, but your own tribesmen did. Remember this thread was originally about "etymology of word Oyinbo"? Unfortunately some Yorubas brought Edo/Benin into the fray. And as usual, the comments were derogatory and belittling.

And attempts to correct them or state my own history were replied with insults.

>> You seems to forget (or pretend not to know) your people generally ( I mean most) are fond of disrespecting the Edos when it comes to his culture.

>> You seems to forgot most Yorubas (even stark illiterates) will openly declare to an Edo fellow "Edos are Yorubas".

AbsoluteSuccess - please tell me honestly, is this attitude fair? Can you tell me you are not aware of this general attitude among your own people, to Edos? How do I know this? Just replied back to the fellow in reverse that "Yorubas are Edo" and you get an immediate rejection, while frowning his face in total disapproval.

You seems to forget that even on Nairaland, sometime when tribal or cultural discourse is on, somehow Yorubas will find a way to input Edo into the fray, albeit negatively. Go to popular newspapers online such as Vanguard, Punch etc and you will be aghast about this trend. We Edos hardly respond and on few occasion that we do, we often get massive insults.

There is almost no Edo person living in Yorubaland, who'd not been told this same thing to his face by Yorubas at one time the other. absoluteSuccess - are you aware of this attitude or not? And if you say you haven't told an Edo person such, what has been your efforts to correct or educate your fellow Yorubas that such statement especially in a public fora is nothing but DEROGATORY. That it's akin to describing someone as BASTARDS?

Realgana:
Why Benin?
Why not Ala Igbo?
Him de fear kidnapping?

Stephen Keshi grew up in Benin; started his big professional career in Benin when it was Be del state (Edo / Delta).

Though originally from present day Delta state, but his life and culture is practically more Benin.

bigfrancis21:
I bet you, you are not going to get any reasonable response or rebuttal to this post! Intellectual reasoning devoid of profanity eludes so many.

@ bigfrancis21 - yes you are right and I know this when I joined the discussion. Yorubas are mainly "at home" when profane languages are freely used. Or engaged in 'corner theory' whenever topics of our collective history is placed on the table.

Just look up at the latest entrant to the discussion called absoluteSuccess - he practically EVADED the issues; but writing negative and platitudes.

PeterKbaba:
Point of correction, if you watched the channels news today, the Yoruba Oba's had a meeting in Ibadan today and the Isekiri/Warri (thats how the leaders presented themselves) leaders were all there, guess what the had to say concerning the issues of the National Confab... They will follow and accept anything the Yoruba's their brothers accept and agree upon. end of story

@ PeterKbaba - that do not INVALIDATE the history of the Itsekiris and their monarchy which was 100% established by Benin Oba and named it Ogiame.

The people that made up Itsekiris were Ijebus, Igalas and several sub tribes, who were SETTLERS in old Warri and under the Old Benin Kingdom.

That is the true picture that cannot be denied because it was recorded and established. Every educated Itsekiri person knows this very well.

MODERN NIGERIA ISSUES

The world has moved on from the past; people now realigned for personal and corporate protection and benefits.

That some Itsekiri leaders aligning with modern day Yorubas does NOT make them Yoruba, nor cancel their origin and history.

Moreover remember this is just a political alignment in today's Nigeria where justice and truth is hated, so they can align with any bigger group to earn their stake in today's Nigeria filled with savagery.

YORUBA Alignment With Hausa / Fulanis

I remember vividly how the Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi used to align with Hausa/Fulani in the 60s down to the 80s for political gains.

Does that make them NOT Yorubas again? Does that make them Hausas, Fulanis or Kanuris? Does that cancel their origin and history?

Up till today many Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi still see themselves as 'Northerner' in national political and economic circle - but admit their Yoruba ancestry.

CALL A SPADE A SPADE

So there is a VAST difference between historical origin, settlement and culture / language development and 21st Century politics.

The difference between the larger Hausa / Fulanis and you Yoruba is glaring...

The first group do not try to usurp the history and cultural origin of the Yorubas who aligned (and still aligning) with them. But you the Yorubas in South West are insinuating Itsekiri are Yorubas because they're aligning with you?

This is where you guys are missing it due to inherent feelings for 'superiority' and misplaced pride.

absoluteSuccess:
Go to bigfrancis, he is willing to learn. I am not interested. Abi na by force? I can see the fruit of your scholarship already and I dont want to read stuffs that shape your thought system. We are not from the same culture, what is our virtue is your vice, so hold to your glory. But if you are dying to have a disciple, take saint bigfrancis: you both think alike. Please stop spamming me. Your pain did not come from me, so please, free me abeg.

@ absoluteSuccess - You entered into this discussion, and now being EVASIVE to go further when challenged? Look turning vital issues into a 'gutter fight' is not the solution.

Am really surprised that you Yorubas that always 'draw the first blood' on tribal issues, making derogatory remarks about others, often chicken out when confronted with facts and figures.

At best you guys resort to what you did in your 2 replies to me: Abuse, Insult and more abuse!

Let et me advice you Yorubas: Whatever tribal discourse you cannot finish; don't start it.
Bye bye

Deltagiant:
You will also recall:

Dino Bravo of the Bravo brothers

Cowboy Bob Ellis

Cowboy Tex Mackenzie

The Mongols

Bulldog Brower

Cowboy Earnie Ladd

Ivan Koloff

Louis Martinez etc... ALL FROM THE IWF

These were the older generation than the OP listed. Mighty Igor was one of them. Most are dead

Sile12:
There was a time in the early 90s when WWF took over our television sets. Royal Rumble, Summer Slam, Wrestle Mania, No Mercy and other such championships were the only things every guy out there was talking about. 80s/90s were the golden era of wrestling, the blood was real and so was our enthusiasm. Taking you years back right into the ring when WWE was WWF, here are wrestlers from the 80s/90s who we simply cannot forget.


1. HULK HOGAN.

At OP, do you know that many of the wrestlers you listed are DEAD?

Hulk Hogan and Undertaker are still alive. Kamala (The Uganda Giant) presently had both legs amputated due to diabetes disease. Very horrifying seeing him in that terrible condition, helpless on a wheelchair, and very poor.

For those mentioning Mighty Igor, British Bulldog, they belong to an older generation of 70s and early / mid 80s wrestlers. Mighty Igor died many years ago. Mill Mascaras was a very young man then, but now in his 70s.