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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:14pm On Apr 29, 2015

Funjosh:
Somebody should tame this man please.

Funjosh - I believe you did some schooling? When you heard what sound strange to you, what were taught to do?

To abuse?

To Insult?

To solemnly agree or disagree?

To found out more?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:11pm On Apr 29, 2015*

Oyecute:
I guess you were born in the olden days ... One question for U, how come the yorubas are more widely spread than the binis and occupied more geographical landmass? ... What is the correlation between bini language and yoruba? ...mind u, I served in benin city and visited oda places like Uromi, Afuze, okada, auchi, agenebode etc.

Oyecute - your question exposes you as lacking knowledge of history. Plus lacking knowledge how people and tribe of today were formed in the olden days. Do you know the meaning of Migration in History? Please go and do more research.

Also you gave yourself away as one of the young people in Yorubaland today, who'd been hoodwinked into believing that Yorubas were the same in the Olden day (say 1000 years ago) as you are today.

The reason is that you're were culturally brought up NOT to challenge historical stories rather regard them as SACROSANCT!

A Brief History of the Word YORUBA

It was Fulanis who described and calling the Oyo people "Y A R I B A" in the 16th Century, which was officially used by the Hausa-Fulani to identify Oyo people ONLY. In fact, the word 'Y A R I B A" was applied to the OYO PEOPLE only when a TREATY was written by a Songhai scholar, known as Ahmed Baba in the 16th Century

Then in the mid 19th Century, Samuel Ajayi Crowther began a propaganda by applying the word "YORUBA" which only the OYO were known by, to describe all the people and tribes who spoke languages related to Oyo as YORUBA. It's like calling all the people of the core north HAUSA!

The truth: In present day Yorubaland, many of you calling yourself "Yoruba" today were not originally part of Oyo, nor migrated from them. For many of you, your forefathers migrated from Nupe. Igala, part of North Central, Dahomey, Togo etc over many, many Centuries ago. Some of the reasons for such migration were trading, marriages, war, famine, social attractions etc

Unfortunately, however over the last few decades, the word 'Yoruba' has been seized by Politicians and Rulers to exert cultural DOMINANCE, Economic control and Political Leadership over you all. This was the reason they discouraged you people from EXAMINING your past.

Oyecute don't be afraid to ask these questions:

"Who Are My Fathers?"

"Where Did My Fathers and Mothers Migrated From?"

If you are not Oyo (maybe Ekiti, Ijebu etc) and you willingly called yourself Yoruba and believed Oduduwa is your ancestor, then it can be described as UNFORTUNATE!

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 2:26pm On Apr 29, 2015

macof:
I have heard the language severally I once lived in a house where Olukumi was the official language
but they don't see themselves as yoruba at all, they just say "I am delta"
Don't try to Yorubanise their names more than it already is either, they take offense

macof - stro trying to DENY their root. Their ancestry is not Igbo. Not Benin. Their ancestry is 100% Yoruba.
Yes, the modern day Olukumi will deny being Yoruba because their forefathers have been their for centuries. Different changes have occurred over 100s years, so it is natural for them to be Igbo. You read what the Old man said and you still denying they're not Yoruba?

Am sure, if they conquered that place and the people, you won't say this.

In present day Yorubaland, many of you calling yourself "Yoruba" today were not originally part of Oyo, nor migrated from them. For many of you, your forefathers migrated from Nupe. Igala, part of North Central, Dahomey, Togo etc over many, many Centuries ago. Some of the reasons for such migration were trading, marriages, war, famine, social attractions etc

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 2:18pm On Apr 29, 2015

macof:
I wanted to ignore you but I noticed people are liking and sharing this piece of scrap

What part of Cameroon and Benin republic was under Bini? What towns?
You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there
then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

Yoruba Bini salves? ? Which family compounds in Bini city have a history of being yoruba slaves? For example, there are many compounds in my town..even on my street we know as slave compounds and they all trace their origins. .mostly Egbira
surely if yoruba slaves ever existed in Benin city their descendants should still remain
Dahomey don't claim yoruba slaves it's Benin that wants to claim yoruba slaves
Fon Dahomey and Nupe people are the only ones known to capture Yoruba people not Bini nt even in the slightest manner have a yoruba been known to serve a Benin household or man handled and sold by one

The Olukumi by their version of history got to their present land when Benin were still in the Ogiso Era. ..meaning before Benin became an empire. So pls look for another lie

When the name "yoruba" came to use is of no relevance here. Try getting ur Edo people together and quit your yoruba hatred

I wanted to ignore you but I noticed people are liking and sharing this piece of scrap

What part of Cameroon and Benin republic was under Bini? What towns?
You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there
then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

Yoruba Bini salves? ? Which family compounds in Bini city have a history of being yoruba slaves? For example, there are many compounds in my town..even on my street we know as slave compounds and they all trace their origins. .mostly Egbira
surely if yoruba slaves ever existed in Benin city their descendants should still remain
Dahomey don't claim yoruba slaves it's Benin that wants to claim yoruba slaves cheesy grin
Fon Dahomey and Nupe people are the only ones known to capture Yoruba people not Bini nt even in the slightest manner have a yoruba been known to serve a Benin household or man handled and sold by one

The Olukumi by their version of history got to their present land when Benin were still in the Ogiso Era. ..meaning before Benin became an empire. So pls look for another lie

When the name "yoruba" came to use is of no relevance here. Try getting ur Edo people together and quit your yoruba hatred

macof - You often try to do better than your kinsmen who only bring abuse and insult to intellectual discourse.

Now I believe we are discussing HISTORY? I realize is only here in Nigeria that history based discourse is often replete with arrogance and chest beating. Often mired in lies and wanton coloration of truth. And this happens when Yoruba history is put on the front burner? Why? Because you guys have been injected with the mantra "don't challenge the source of our history"

Look History is not the same DOGMA. Here are the qualities and features of true history: (a) Must be often refreshed, (b) Always exhume the past, (c) Always challenged, (d)[/b]Must be RE-WRITTEN, [b](e) Continuous researching, (f) Must be REVISED.

However when any of these feature is missing or hated, then it is NOT history - but DOGMA.

So you Yorubas need to shake off your attitude of 'fighting off' academic and scholarly inputs that seem to put lie or expose holes in Yoruba story. Or run contrary to what was written few decades ago, or you're told.

Now let me reply your points one after the other...

You wrote: "What part of Cameroon and Benin republic was under Bini? What towns?
You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

In the olden days, ruler-ship was not only by physical conquest or war as you Yorubas erroneously believe. Rulership encompasses war and conquest, control of trade route, slave trade selling, border dominance, interfacing with Europeans on behalf of others etc

There was a time during the Benin power, especially during the reign of Oba Esigie in the 14th Century. His power dominate and permeates most parts of present day Southern Nigeria - which extended to Lagos and Southern Cameroon. While that of Lagos was physical dominance, in which traditional king - Oba of Lagos - was established by Benin Oba and named the city EKO. Both still exist till day as a testement to the wide area old Benin Kingdom covered. The southern Cameroon was not physical.

You wrote: "You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

No bro. I know my onions very well. I don't dabble in "I am superior than you kind of history" you Yorubas love to do. And why are you trying to downplay the IMPORTANCE of the "Bight of Benin" in history? Am sure if the Portuguese named the oceans that extend from Nigeria to the Gulf of Guinea the "Bight of Oyo" you Yorubas would have written volumes upon volumes to eulogize the 'greatness' of your forefathers.

First when the Portuguese first landed, the only DOMINANCE authority with the wildest control was the Oba of the Benin Empire. They then agreed an alliance with Benin Kingdom. That was the reason they named the Ocean "Bight of Benin".

The Portuguese then started business with Benin empire and Benin even sent an Ambassador to Portuguese. It was TWO NATIONS dealing with each other. During this period scholarships were given to Benin princes, who went to Universities in Europe with their slaves, which comprises Yoruba, Igbos, Igalas, Efiks, Ijaws etc. During this period, the trade and influence expansion into present day Benin republic began - with the collaboration of the Portuguese.

You wrote: "Yoruba Bini salves? ? Which family compounds in Bini city have a history of being yoruba slaves? For example, there are many compounds in my town..even on my street we know as slave compounds and they all trace their origins.

Bro again you're talking about History in a small prism you've been taught in Yorubaland. Things happened differently. And why should you be aghast over the word "Yoruba slaves?" Remember a greater of what is known as Yorubaland today where not there some hundreds of years ago? It was same in the 950 AD to 15th Century.

The old Benin did not DOMICILED their slaves ports in Benin City as you expected. So asking for slave compound is irrelevant my friend.The old Benin Kings ruled many towns and cities via designated warriors. The slaves therefore were not taken to Benin to dwell, rather they're ruled in their cities or new new cities, from the Oba Palace. And this system was applied over Lagos as well, in which a Benin Prince was made the Oba of Lagos and few Benin chiefs such as Obanikoro were appointed alongside some aboriginals as CHIEFS.

You wrote: "... surely if yoruba slaves ever existed in Benin city their descendants should still remain"

I hope I answer you above? Many were sold to Portuguese, many were sent abroad to earn degrees and returned. Bro we are talking of many many Centuries ago, so that the few that were serving the Benin Princes must have long became Benin/Edo.

You wrote: "Dahomey don't claim yoruba slaves it's Benin that wants to claim yoruba slaves cheesy grin"

History is not 'claiming' things. History is not a bragging rights. History is not about "out fathers were stronger than your fathers". Like I said above, the problem is that you Yorubas created your own history upon this foundation. You refused to allow history be told, freely discussed, continuously examined and always contested so that more FACTS will emerge consistently.

No macof - we Edos don't speak history to lay claim to being "superior". Even the Igbos has never contested the facts that Benin Kings used to have Igbos as slaves. Even the Onitsha people openly admitted they were Benin migrants. The late ZIK of Africa; Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe wrote about this in one of his books.

Unfortunately, you Yorubas allowed politicians to wound you together and named you all "Yoruba" for their selfish and greedy aggrandizement and control. Why do you refused to ask, individually:

"Where Did My Father Came From?"

If you do this, macof, many of you in Yorubaland will realize you probably originated from Igala, Dahomey, Nupe, Togo, Cameroon, part of today North Central. Even in the olden days, Hausa and Fulanis traders married and impregnated many Yoruba women in the present day Osun and Oyo states...

Today, the descendant of those children are now claiming Yoruba. Yes this is right - but is BETTER to investigate and examine your forefathers. Do this, at least, into the 7th to 10th generations before you.

Also remember that when Benin was ruling and established the Monarchy of Lagos, slaves were captured along the coast which comprises Yoruba, Igbos, Igalas, down to Lagos. So why are you fighting this historical fact? Again, there was an Igbo scholar who alluded to the fact that Old Benin Kings had Yoruba and Igbo slaves. Read it here on paragraph 8-9: http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=2547

You wrote: "Fon Dahomey and Nupe people are the only ones known to capture Yoruba people not Bini nt even in the slightest manner have a yoruba been known to serve a Benin household or man handled and sold by one

macof - please relax. This is history. You don't know all about history in one day. Everyday you realize what WAS. So you imagine Kings that ruled a vast area down to Lagos, with influence that extends to Benin republic did not captured Yoruba as slaves?

You wrote: "The Olukumi by their version of history got to their present land when Benin were still in the Ogiso Era. ..meaning before Benin became an empire. So pls look for another lie

No macof - remember am not Yoruba. You guys regard history as fisticuffs and "who can tell more lies". I know the history of Olukumi people very well, and their being there was DOCUMENTED. It was not during the Ogiso period. And let me tell you this: Ogiso dynasty was the same as the Oba dynasty: The only difference was that the Oba dynasty was more powerful and extended far and near.

So when you know the full history of the Olumuni you'll realize this fact. They're part of the Benin slaves!

You wrote: "When the name "yoruba" came to use is of no relevance here"

Why do you said so? So the history of how people from different tribes and nationality were later grouped as "Yoruba" should not be told?

You wrote: "Try getting ur Edo people together and quit your yoruba hatred"

And what EXACTLY do you mean by this statement? God forbid I hate people. Let me tell you a vital truth about human existence: "MUTUAL RESPECTS" is what guaranteed love and progress, even siblings. Not being coerced into a single culture as you have it in Yorubaland.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:31pm On Apr 27, 2015

9jacrip:
You sound bitterly sore.

I would have spared the time to kick some knowledge your way but apparently, you're a waste of space (and time).

If you're not a disciplined historian (the la cram, la pour - inability to conduct a research type) or not a hostorian at all then desist from flinging the term around or welding it into your frivolous and incoherent nonsense.

Now, run (and quickly) to post history of these handles for knowledge (scholarly backed) on Yoruba and Benin History(ies).

Katsumoto, TerraCota, PhysicsQ, NegroNtns, Macof.

Goodnight.

9jacrip - unfortunately you said nothing to prove me wrong or bring better knowledge. And those your kinsmen you invited, will also come here to abuse and insult me.

NOTE: Can you guys see how I brought out your viper from its closet? When this story was published, non of you contributed. Now - upon my contribution - you Yorubas are running riots to outdo each other on who INSULTS and ABUSE most.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:22pm On Apr 27, 2015

macof:
ewe people are not yoruba. They were driven to their present location by Yorubas (Ketu/Anago) and conquered by Yorubas (Oyo). I think the confusion comes from calling their original homeland Amedz-ofe wit people thinking it has something to do with Ile - Ife. ..

macof - I challenge you to prove this point further with facts. Why should you try to claim you know more than the people themselves?
Look I know some Yoruba writers would have gone ahead to write story to either give a different origin to these people or deny them entirely.

Look, they WERE Yoruba - don't deny them - their ancestry is pure, 100% present day Yoruba.

First you must clarify these confusing points you raised:

1. You wrote: "They were driven to their present location by Yorubas (Ketu/Anago)"

>> Where were they living before been driven by those Ketu/Anago?

>> Where did they originated from before Ketu people drove them away?

>> What are the main issues between them and Ketu that lead being driven away?

2. You wrote: "and conquered by Yorubas (Oyo)"
This is so confusing?

>> Were they conquered by the Oyo in their present Land, which was ruled by the Benin Kings of old?

>> Were they conquered by the Oyo first, (before) the Ketu people drove them away?

>> What is the connection between the Ketu tribe and Oyo and this tribe in the olden days?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:08pm On Apr 27, 2015

illiad1:
Why do you find it difficult to hold intelligent discuss?
That man has made a salient point which you either counter with another fact or accept it without all this your bitterness

illiad1 - do not worry at all.

I never feel offended when Yorubas turned a discourse of this nature into brickbats, INSULTS and name calling. Do you know the reason: A large part of so-called Yoruba history were weaved together starting from the mid 19th century and established in the 1950s - 1960s.

However they forgot that the Benin History were recorded from 900 AD - by the Portuguese and British sailors, missionaries, visitors, merchants, archeologists and so.

These are in addition to the remnant of Old Bini empire such as Benin Great wall (known as Benin Moat), old sculptures, many smaller kingdoms such as this tribe, the Onitsha people, the Republic of Benin (used to be called Dahomey and changed in 1975 after obtaining permission from Benin King) etc.

Is so bad that when you confront them with solid facts, figures and statistics - Yorubas will go berserk - hurling insults and gutter languages. The problem is: They'd been fed with LIES from the cradle, and they find it very difficult and discomforting to shake off those lies.

illiad1, can't you see how 100s of them opened this thread and never commented?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 12:57pm On Apr 27, 2015

UnknownT:
I still wonder how the Igbos do it, as in they come near you and you lose your original language and start speaking Igbo. Some may say the Olukun mi people were nearer to the Igbos that was why, but what of the Igbo that is being spoken in far away bonny/opobo and some of the people that always claim Benin origin but now use 99% Igbo names and language. And when they achieve this, we don't hear people saying that they were forced to speak/learn Igbo like they are colonial masters

UnknownT - It is not too difficult to know.

Those people were 100% Yoruba people. In those days, the Benin Kings ruled over a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, PLUS part of present day Cameroon and Benin Republic. However the Benin Kings NEVER suppressed the people culturally, even the slaves of Igbo, Igala, Yoruba, Dahomies etc origins were allowed to be.

Therefore when freedom was enacted, and Benin power receded, the smaller groups gradually mixed with others and developed a new culture/languages from their origin and neighbors. Also the British colonialists used IGBO Language which also affected those people to gradually shelve their links to Old Benin Kingdom.

You talked about Opobo: Their language is NOT 100% Igbo as you speak in SE today. Even these Olukun mi people still speak Yoruba language as well.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 12:47pm On Apr 27, 2015

absoluteSuccess:
One thing I know for sure is, as long as you are not Yoruba, you will struggle to rewrite the Yoruba history to fit it in to your monomaniac projections, pulling down Yoruba history to prove that you are something. Who are you?

If Yoruba grandstanding affects you, then you have found an everlasting sorrow, cause greatness will never depart from Yoruba, and day in day out you will keep hearing that name and get your reins sore with bad feelings.

I don't hate any tribe, so I can be happy at their success. Just keep looking for the ultimate vilification of the Yoruba race, when you finds it, the world will celebrate you and do away with the Yoruba.

You see, you have a calling.

absoluteSuccess - why are you fond of diverting stark issues? Can't you try to engage in facts, figures and statstics? History is purely scholarship to prove what WAS, or what WASN'T

You read about a part of Yoruba people being domiciled in Niger Delta. You read the account of their Kings, how they moved into Benin and from there to present day abode.

You and your ilks are systematically bypassing it. Then I went into better details; how they were captured slaves of the old Bini Kings etc. Instead of you to counter with facts or superior elements you went about INSULTING - talking about Yoruba being one.

Bro look at this thread very well: If this people were to be another tribe, found in Yorubaland, your guys would run this thread into dozens pages. Why do hundreds of you Yorubas read this thread and passing off - without comments? Why haven't you bring on some comment or contribute to this historical facts?

Finally you asked me to allow the Itsekiri tell their own story. Good but why do you guys claim they're from you, when many of you do lack knowledge of your own origin?

Anyway here are two ITSEKIRIS telling their story:

1. Read this strong article by J.O.S Ayomike, an Itsekiri Scholar: http://ihuanedo.ning.com/group/healtheducation/forum/topic/show?id=2971192%3ATopic%3A130191&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

2. This is from Nairaland: https://www.nairaland.com/2265432/some-interesting-facts-itsekiri-people#32887201

NOTE: One fact is clear, their alluding to Old Bini as either partly ancestry and/or influence.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 9:35pm On Apr 26, 2015

absoluteSuccess:
madman1,

Yorubas are "Yoruba" not Benin slaves,

Let the ethnic Itshekiris speak for themselves.

You will always sorrow because you are a sad loser.

You can go on and invite your team members as usual

Then come back here and cry me a river.

absoluteSuccess - Whenever history is brought to the table you Yorubas find it difficult to bring scholarship to the table. True educated and knowledeable HISTORIANS do not recourse to insults and abuse to defend their points.

First did you read that story very well? Tell me the truth - is there anywhere you read (or heard) any of your so-called Yoruba Historians alluded to the fact that people from present day Yorubland are domiciled in present day Delta, via old Benin? Am sure you did not! Why? Because they carefully kept such historical truth from you guys, so they can continue to deceive you - about the lies called "YORUBA"

Again I asked you: "Have you ever accepted the fact that some of your so-called kinsmen are domiciled in Niger Delta? And remember all those places were once under the ruler-ship of the Oba of Benin"

Now this story came out, 100s of Yorubas read it and extremely FEW commented with tongues in your chic, while majority carefully passed off, without commenting. Even you, absoluteSuccess did not comment directly on this historical fact, but instead attacked one of my points!

For me, a story like this has shown that most part of Yoruba History are lies and fables. And I hope you will lesson your boastfulness and grandstanding. I hope your historians will not one day, coupled up lies that those towns are "yorubaland"

NOTE: Stop deceiving yourself, Yoruba is not one. The word/term Yoruba was a mid 19th century appellation to group you guys together. This is a fact of history, well recorded so no one can change it.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 8:44pm On Apr 26, 2015

OROSUNBOLB:
I did not know about this tribe in Delta state until now. They should forge a close tie with the Itshekiris who are known Yorubas. Having said this,oluku mi is not in anyway strange. Yorubas,especially during the slave era, were known as Oluku mi. Oluku mi (Yoruba) people are found almost everywhere in the carribeans (americas), predominantly in Brazil and Cuba. There are so many of them in Bahia,Brazil and yoruba culture is quite visible among these people. They worship Yoruba deities like Sango,Ogun,Osun etc and they also sing yoruba songs (Orin). This is why you don't have to speak portuguese to buy 'Akara' i.e bean cake in Bahia,Brazil. As a Yoruba,just walk up to the black woman(Brazilian) selling bean cake and say 'mo fe ra'kara- I want to buy bean cake. She understands you perfectly and she would even thank you by saying 'o se'! Oluku mi are Yoruba people anywhere in the world.

OROSUNBOLB - Itsekiris are NOT Yorubas. Stop spewing tribal lies. I wonder when you guys will take scholarship serious to get yourself enlightened and educated about the history of Nigeria in the Olden days. How can you, who admitted you did not know about the existence of this people, now claiming Itsekiris are Yorubas? Isn't this funny?

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:52pm On Apr 26, 2015

Slizbeat:
Umm,so enlightening.

One question though, Is it the same yorubas dat refused Migration and asking everyone else to go back to their various places/homelands that would have migrated?

something smells fishy here. Why is it that no one can give an account of the language except it be heard from the King?

I hope the king is not trying to impose a new identity to the people by bringing up the Oluku mi stuff.

All the same, if true, what happens? Cos obviously the land doesn't belong to them. Would they go back to Owu/Owo in Ondo? or Wil they keep growing and making headway into Delta so we could all really blend irrespective of our original origin?

Hmm, making sense though.

Slizbeat - the issue is that the TRUE Nigerian history has been mercilessly distorted by those who wrote "Yoruba History" to promote so-called falsehood of "Yoruba is one" and lies.

Please look above to read how those people got to that place in present day Delta state, many centuries ago.

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Culture › Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 6:48pm On Apr 26, 2015

Ilekeh:
Nothing new. Yorubas are everywhere.

Ask Ghanaians. There are two Yoruba sub groups in Ghana.

We're just quiet and peaceful wherever we are.

Ilekeh - there is nothing like Yorubas are everywhere!

The major problem is that most of you calling yourself Yoruba today do not understand or lack knowledge about the ORIGIN of the term/word "Yoruba" and when?why it was used to group different ethnic people in the mid 19th Century.

Here is the true origin of those people:

At the time the Great Benin Kingdom was ruling a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, and part of present day Middle Belt, including present day part of Cameroon and Benin Republic, slave raiding were always carried out by the Benin Warriors.

Those Yorubas were a combination of the Benin slaves and others who later fled from the incessant slave raiding and hide in the Bush. With time, they settled in their present abode.

NOTE: When you see Yoruba speaking people anywhere, as indigene, the right question you should ask is: How did they got there? Most of you guys engage in chest-beating because you do not have wider knowledge of the olden days. In the olden days, there was NO Yoruba as you have it today.

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Politics › Re: See How Nigerians Hate Asari Dokubo (pics) by NigerMan1: 6:06pm On Apr 26, 2015

databoy247:
I cant help but wonder why anytime Asari Dokubo gets ridiculed and humiliated especially on social media anytime he speaks. If i were him, i'll just peacefully retire from public attention seeking and chop the little money available. Nigerians really hate this guy.

Today, he posted something on facebook.

databoy247 - and what EXACTLY do you mean by "...Nigerians really hate this guy."
So some self-hating and vengeful Yorubas and Almajaris Hausa/Fulanis now represent the country called Nigeria in your imaginations?
Oh - I see, they hate him because he stood up against injustice being meted to his people?
They hate him, but loves and LIVING on the OIL coming from his backyard?

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Politics › Re: Caskets With Warning Written On Them Going Round In Aba by NigerMan1: 5:02pm On Apr 23, 2015

safarigirl:
that Israeli fellow is an Ngwa man. I know some of them like that. There is one that said if Ikpeazu wins, his father will get a political appointment.

All these Ikpeazu supporters are Ngwa people, not one non-Ngwa supports Ikpeazu. All of them want him in so they too can follow and 'eat' the National cake.

If PDP rigs Ikpeazu in, I pray Buhari reduces the allocation to Abia state if not do to them what PDP was doing to Lagos as an opposition state by withholding their allocation. None of them will even see money to loot.

Most Ngwa people are just cursed

safarigirl - sometimes when educated young people talk this days I shiver. How could you claim Lagos state allocation was 'withhold' by PDP? My dear when did that happened?

You people allowed politicians to almost 100% rule your consciousness; you easily ECHO their dirty political lies, which has become REMOTE in their hands to CONTROL the citizens.

SOME FACTS:

1) State allocation is a statury right of every state, so no one can deny a state this right;

2) Any state in Nigeria without allocation for 2 months will bleed to death;

3) Even when the main allocation get reduced, state are entitled to several allocations such as Security votes, Ecological funds, Sure-P funds, Special education funds, SME funds etc. These alone runs into 100s of Billion Naira per annum.

4) It was OBJ who seized Lagos state LOCAL GOVT funds for about 3 months valued at 10Billion Naira.

Please Note: It was LGA Fund (Not State allocation). There are big Difference between the two. However Bola Tinubu quickly made a political gain claiming he 'survived for 3 months' without allocations. Unfortunately you young people just swallow hook, line and sinker that big LIE!

Please stop hawking this lie in the public and endeavor to correct your fellow in the same boat as you.

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Politics › Re: Showdown In Ekiti As Fayose Mobilises Okada Riders,nurtw by NigerMan1: 3:26pm On Apr 20, 2015

Rawani:
Are Ekiti indigenes cut from a different cloth from other S'Westerners? It's puzzling that they support impunity and lawlessness with such myopic vigour that blinds them to the fact that they are holding the short end of the stick. Time will tell.

Rawani - I know where you are coming from. So it is wrong to defend the mandate given to their Governor? The fact that Ekitis are coming out to defend mandate freely given to Fayose show they are not BIND and controlled by GODFATHER. They are sending out a message that they a FREE people. And that's the HALLMARK of citizenship!

You wrote: "It's puzzling that they support impunity and lawlessness..."

What exactly do you mean by this statement? Are you ECHOING the APC fable, or saying your own mind? Would you please come here again to defend this assertion? And who's / what's the 'lawless and impunity' you're referring to?

You wrote: "Are Ekiti indigenes cut from a different cloth from other S'Westerners..."

And who are the S'Westerners? What are they doing BETTER than the Ekitis? Please again defend your accusation and tell us the part of "S'Westerners" that is currently better than Ekiti.

NOTE: Now it is very easy for you guys to 'abuse and deride' the Ekitis because of partisan politics. However when it is time to claim Yorubas are more educated or produce more PHd holders (a false claim though), you guys will gladly mouth EKITI.

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Politics › Re: South-East, South-West, South-South Lead In Attainment Of MDG Goals by NigerMan1: 1:45pm On Apr 19, 2015

RAO1:
SE ppl ....u sha like talk talk .......beware of lagoon!

SS ppl are becoming "zone Bs" to SE.....dsame ppl u no wan follow go Biafra republic ....

No one can take it away......it's what is obvious YORUBAS rock!.....u ppl won't just agree ....as everyone's mother(even if d mother no handicap) is the best .....

And bro, what do mean by Yoruba rocks!
In the 21st century you don't make claims without SUBSTANCE!

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Politics › Re: South-East, South-West, South-South Lead In Attainment Of MDG Goals by NigerMan1: 10:28pm On Apr 18, 2015

ArodeTsolaye:
I pray against coming from Bini tribes whose history has been dismembered and literary torn to shreds by yoruba revisionists (who are not even as half as bright as Igbos) without any edo men challenging them. I pray against Intellectual slavery.

ArodeTsolaye - are you sure that fellow engaging you is an Edo man?

Anyway what you said is 100% truth. So UNFORTUNATE how our fathers looked away and allowed Yorubas to massively corrupt our GREAT history and get away for a long time.

You my Edo people are EXTREMELY liberal and soft on others. However Yoruba took advantage of this against us.

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Politics › Re: South-East, South-West, South-South Lead In Attainment Of MDG Goals by NigerMan1: 9:45pm On Apr 18, 2015

CaptainOjemba:
Ekiti record was then not now, Imo and Anambra has more professors

No - Ekiti was NEVER a leading supplier of PHDs and Professors in Nigeria. It was one of the education based propaganda of the SW.

And it was allowed to stay because statistics were not readily available in the 60s and 70s.

However since the past 15 years, the SW has NEVER claimed first in education from Primary to University levels. And the last 5-6 years has been worse for them - always coming third in all education records.

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Politics › Re: South-East, South-West, South-South Lead In Attainment Of MDG Goals by NigerMan1: 9:34pm On Apr 18, 2015

seeker121:
cross fingers dey look how some easterners go dey sing praise but take it or you leave it Yoruba is the most educated and most sophisticated tribe.If you are in doubts check our dailies and see the name of most reporters and columnist,besides Ekiti still remain "fountain of knowledge" with highest number of professors in Nigeria.

Is very unfortunate that you responded to others success and advancement with hate and propaganda. Well let me burst your bubble: Ekiti does NOT have the highest number of PHD / Professors in Nigeria.

Here is the 2014 PHDs / Professors in Nigeria:

Imo state
Delta state
Anambra state
Ondo state

Check NUC ( National University Commission )

Some questions:
>> What is the meaning of "sophistication"?
>> And do you ascribe that compound word to a tribe or a set of people?
>> Do you have any evidence to DISPROVE this report?
>> Do you think is wise in 21st century to claim 'superiority' can't back with raw evidence?

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Crime › Re: Alarming Confession Of Nanny Who Kidnapped Orekoya Children 16/04/15 (video) by NigerMan1: 4:16am On Apr 18, 2015

Danfo:
I read it somewhere that this Yoruba family were trained by Igbo kidnappers who are the masters of the trade...

Danfo - you read 'somewhere' ? Please provide the source.

And you are not even ashamed to publicly claim Yorubas are learning Kidnapping from Igbos? Now let me advice what you Yorubas MUST learn from the Igbos:

Go learn and get TRAINING from Igbo - on how to do BUSINESS:

>> Trading,
>> Importing,
>> Mass Housing,
>> Property Development,
>> Co-Sharing / Co-Operative Growth etc

Crime › Re: Alarming Confession Of Nanny Who Kidnapped Orekoya Children 16/04/15 (video) by NigerMan1: 6:38am On Apr 17, 2015

JuanDeDios:
Replying your type is usually not a useful exercise since you can't substantiate your claims and will therefore resort to ad hominems. But I have to respond because of the bit about being Yoruba for the sake of anyone reading. I am not Yoruba. (I'm aware that to you Igbo and Yoruba ethnic champions only your two ethnic groups exist in this country.) I'm just sick of these lies some of you ethnic bigots spread all over the place. There were no insults in my post. But maybe you can still direct me to a case where an Igbo perp got more bashing on social media than a Yoruba perp - that will, at least, prove that your submissions are the product of reality and not some persecution complex which sits deep in the recesses of your imagination and that of your ilk.

JuanDeDios - you are trying very hard to prove different and is good however your tirade is negative.

Let me say this you plainly: Am NOT Igbo. An NOT Yoruba. And my post was a reflective of the fact that if this woman were an Igbo, the entire streets, homes, office will be agog by now.

You asked me to prove this? Bro I think you're either a kid or not born and grew up in SW like me. Or both.

I repeat most Yorubas love and look for negatives of the Igbo. I saw this through the 70s down to this day. I remember even the Clifford ORJI incident in the 90s - how the Yorubas converted to raining ceaseless insults on the Igbo, and still make reference to it till today.

On The Cyber Space: At the advent of the internet and growth of social media in Nigeria, I watched how Yorubas used every little negative incident or crime committed by an Igbo fellow to rain UNENDING insults and denigrating remarks on the entire Igbo tribe.

Then I knew it was a matter of time, for the Igbo youngsters to catch up with Yoruba on Cyber space/social media to applying a crime of one to insult the WHOLE.

This is exactly what we are having today.

But let me tell you this fact: In the 70s down to 80s and early 90s - the Igbos could NOT match Yorubas insult for insult, Denigrating remarks at all.

Maybe you don't know this truth: Using negative words, abusive words, insults are part of Yoruba social and cultural life.

You hear a mum calling her kids "Orie ope o", "Iwo omoburuku". A little quarrel they resort to using those words and always happy.

And this attitude get ingrained into their SUBCONSCIOUS into adulthood.

Finally you said you did not insult me? You who started your comment with the word "Nonsense" ?

Next time don't resort to such words, go straight and ear your opinions. And stop replying in anger!

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Crime › Re: Alarming Confession Of Nanny Who Kidnapped Orekoya Children 16/04/15 (video) by NigerMan1: 9:50pm On Apr 16, 2015

JuanDeDios:
Nonsense. Playing the victim only robs you of joy. Or can you unearth two crime stories, one involving Igbo perps, the other involving non-Igbo perps where the "e-lynching" was more in the Igbo case?

True.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

True. If it was Igbo, some NL Yoruba bigots would have gone to work. Now, because it's Yoruba the NL Igbo bigots like you are out dancing full throttle. You guys - the bigots on both sides - need to get a life.

Tell them, brother. Tell them.

Nonsense. You can't substantiate that and the rest of your post.

JuanDeDios - typical Yoruba attitude to resort to abuse and insult. And unknown to subsciknciously affirmed some of my points: rude, insults and bashing.

You said I did not "substantiate" my claim. Bro so I need to put proof to this well known Yoruba social attitude again? Trying to Self-Denial is not the way to go or defend your folks.

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Crime › Re: Alarming Confession Of Nanny Who Kidnapped Orekoya Children 16/04/15 (video) by NigerMan1: 8:47pm On Apr 16, 2015

oloriooko:
Surprisingly, she speaks good English, well educated.
But why did she get herself involved in this evil deed?
Now she"s sober but if it had worked, she could have continued to another innocent family.
Imagine the trauma those kids would have gone through.

My dear oloriooko - speaking English is NOT a sign of being well Education at all.

Crime › Re: Alarming Confession Of Nanny Who Kidnapped Orekoya Children 16/04/15 (video) by NigerMan1: 8:45pm On Apr 16, 2015

m1500:
Let us not resort to tribal wars again; this goes to show that hardened criminals are not limited to any geographical location. This is a fallout of a society in ruins where you've got to be either extremely wealthy as to afford bullet proof cars, specially arranged police/military protection or very poor so much so that everyone sees you as worthless. If you are somewhere in-between the only person that can help you is the Almighty because the state security apparatus for which you're taxed sore isn't for you after all.

You are correct my friend.

But the problem is most Yorubas LACK this virtue. Believe me if this family were Igbos the entire social media will by now AGOG with insults, name callings and generic tribal bashing.

In fact this thread would be reaching PAGE 30 now filled Yoruba bashing.

Also the entire markets, homes, streets and offices in Yorubaland will be busy INSULTING, Deriding Igbos over this incident.

Majority Yorubas are basically brought to HATE Igbo people and to look out for negative things about them.

Now this is a new dimension in kidnapping - a whole family kidnapping kids for ransom!!!

And they are YORUBAS!

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Crime › Re: I Didn’t Mean To Kill My Childhood Friend, 17- Year-old Girl Laments by NigerMan1: 6:51pm On Apr 15, 2015

maureeoy:
the idea of picking up knife when quarrelling with someone for self depence is what i dont undertand. the first time and the second time she carry knife.
the devils waits for any slightest opportunity to bring pple to their knees.

There is an aspect of the story you guys are MISSING out. The girl said each time they quarrel the boy will go in and bring out a cane - maybe to flog or threaten her.

Do you know what this means? That boy was a complete BULLY! And being bullied by a supposed mate is one of the greatest social emotional let down a youngster could face in life.

That boy has obviously been making life HELLISH for the girl. He feels he is stronger so your mate take cane to flog you is DEMEANING to say the least.

Even on the 2 occasions the poor girl tried to defend herself with knife, it was the boy who threaten to beat her up.

From the story it seems the girl has had ENOUGH of being bullied, threatened and treated like a dog.

HERE IS THE MORAL OF THE STORY:

1) Don't bully someone because you're physically stronger,
2) Don't socially oppress another because of you have advantage over him/her,
3) Boys/men should respect ladies/women.

Crime › Re: I Didn’t Mean To Kill My Childhood Friend, 17- Year-old Girl Laments by NigerMan1: 6:38pm On Apr 15, 2015

korel9:
Ehnn!!!

Omo Ibo?!

For Lagos?!

That girl should be thrown into the lagoon

I know people like you will soon come on board. Lagos economy does NOT belong to you. You came to Lagos to hustle so face that.

Instead of you young Yoruba to weep over the THUGGISH comment of your King you're all hailing him because he spoke your mind filled with ENVY for those Igbos due to their unassailable successes.

Well let me inform ignorant folks of your ilk, that there are MILLIONS of Yoruba in Niger Delta who're MORE prosperous than you guys in SW. Why don't you guys go there and start trowing them into the Atlantic ocean?

Culture › Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by NigerMan1: 10:13pm On Apr 13, 2015*

ogiste:
Ekiti are pure Yoruba people. Who are Yorubas? Yorubas are people who ve the same believe that they generated from ile ife and accept oduduwa as their great father. Yoruba is a tribe that believe in asa ati isese (culture) è.g isomo loruko, oriki, ikini won (è ku aaro).
Yoruba is from a niger-congo language family under niger-congo, kwa under kwa, yoruboid.
Finally it was oranmiyan who ruled bini land he left bini land out annoyance and he called it ile-ibinu. Am writing a book on akoko and ekiti it will be publish by sept this year.

ogiste - each time you Yorubas discuss your history, though in different angles and difficulties, you however find it easy to consistent create a space to add Benin/Edo to help qualify your lies or shown your history as superior.

You said your Oranmiyan ruled Bini and later left calling it ile ibinu. Yes I agreed to your Yoruba myth and folktale, but the problem is when you guys are confronted with MORE facts and superior SCHOLARLY historical works you often resorts to negative brickbats, deadly INSULTS and throwing gutter languages.

Now you refused to stay in line of the topic of discussion and you don't even have the knowledge when EXACTLY the word Yoruba was used to politically BIND you people together despite your vast differences, but you were quick to swoop on Benin spewing your age along Yoruba lies that lack academic proof and empty.

Now let me ask you: What or where is the ORIGIN of your Oranmiyan?

Culture › Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by NigerMan1: 10:10pm On Apr 13, 2015

ghostofsparta:
Point of correction
[size=22pt]The Yorubas (Kotu-Oji-Re) is not a tribe but an ethnic group consisting of major tribes and sub-tribes. Secondly, the word that has come to be accepted today as 'Yoruba' was never originally of the kotu-oji-re peoples' indigenous language but of a invention born of the descriptive way the Fulani Arabs presiding over conquered territories referred to those dwelling West of South 'Yaribanza' which the British colonials recorded and used to refer to the Kotu-oji-re. Read more HERE[/size]

Education › Re: Facts About Africa by NigerMan1: 8:22pm On Apr 10, 2015

pmc01:
FACTS ABOUT AFRICA

1. The Gambia has only one university.

2. Equatorial Guinea is Africa’s only spanish speaking country.

3. South Africa is the most visited African country.

4. Nigeria has the richest Black people in Africa.

5. Samuel Eto’o is the highest paid Footballer of all time, he received about
£350,000 weekly in Russia in 2011.

6. A person from Botswana is called a Motswana, the plural is Batswana.

7. A person from Lesotho is called a Mosotho.

8. A person from Niger is called a Nigerien.

8. A person from Burkina Faso is called a Burkinabe.

9. Nigeria has won more football cups than England.

10. Zimbabwe’s President, Robert Gabriel Mugabe is the world’s most educated President with 7 degrees, two of them are Masters.

11. Al-Ahly of Egypt is the richest club in Africa.

12. Didier Drogba is Chelsea’s highest goalscorer in European competition.

13. Johannesburg, South Africa is the most visited city in Africa.

14. Zinedine Zidane wanted to play for Àlgeria, but the selector rejected him, saying they are already many
players like him in the team.

15. President Jacob Zuma was given a special award by Fifa for refereeing on Robben Island during his years as a political prisoner.

16. President Robert Mugabe was jailed for 11 years for fighting for freedom.

17. President Robert Mugabe is Africa’s oldest Head of State and the world’s second oldest Head of State.
He was born in 1924.

18. The Seychelles are the most educated Africans. Seychelles’ literacy rates (Adult: 92%, Youth: 99%) Zimbabwe is 2nd (Adult: 91.2%,Youth: 99%).

19. Rwanda is a better country for gender equality than England and USA.

20. Somalia got its first ATM on October 7, 2014.

21. South Africa has the most Grammy award winners in Africa.

22. Ethiopia has the most airports in Africa.

23. Ethiopia’s economy is growing faster than China’s.

24. Eritrea’s President, Isaias Afwerki is the least richest President in Africa.

25. Ethiopia is Africa’s oldest independent country, it has existed for over 3,000 years without being colonised.

26. Haile Selassie 1 was the 225th and last Emperor of Ethiopia.

27. Nigeria has the most monarchs in the world.

28. Angola has more Portuguese speakers than Portugal.

29. President Jose Eduardo Dos Santos has ruled Angola since 1979.

30. President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo is Africa’s longest serving Head of State. He has ruled Equatorial Guinea since August 3, 1979 when he overthrew his uncle, Francisco Nguema. His son, Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue is his Vice President and will succeed him if he resigns. He started ruling Dos Santo

31. George Weah of Liberia is the first man to win World, European and African footballer of the year in the same year.

32. Swaziland is the only remaining absolute mornach in the world.

33. The Gambia is the smallest country in Africa followed by Swaziland.

34. King Sobhuza ll of Swaziland took the longest time in reigning
Swaziland, 62 years as he was crowned in 1921 and died in August 1982 at
the age of 83 years.

34.1. King Sobhuza II of swaziland, married 70 wives, who gave him 210 children between 1920 and 1970.

35. Zimbabwe is the only country in the world were almost everyone was a billionaire at one point.
PPP

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cc: Lalasticlala

10. Zimbabwe’s President, Robert Gabriel Mugabe is the world’s most educated President with 7 degrees, two of them are Masters.

Bro this same WRONG belief birthed our "certificate mentality". Robert Gabriel Mugabe has more diploma/degree than other presidents - NOT more educated.

To be truly EDUCATED is way more than mere schooling and certificate acquisition. Unfortunately this mentality has given rise to "certificate mongering" especially among black Africans, nay Nigeria.

Most Nigerians cannot discover who they truly are, because they'd BURIED their DESTINIES in their certificates.

Politics › Re: Obasanjo, Abiola, Yar'adua See Hell In Prison - Tell Magazine 1996 Cover (Photo) by NigerMan1: 8:07pm On Apr 10, 2015

donphilopus:
Waiting to see people like Alison Madueke, Ayodele Fayose, FFK and other thieves looting the treasury, behind the bars like this!!

Buhari, I trust you!!!

So those are the only "thieves" who want to see in jail?

Politics › Re: Obasanjo, Abiola, Yar'adua See Hell In Prison - Tell Magazine 1996 Cover (Photo) by NigerMan1: 8:07pm On Apr 10, 2015

donphilopus:
Waiting to see people like Alison Madueke, Ayodele Fayose, FFK and other thieves looting the treasury, behind the bars like this!!

Buhari, I trust you!!!

So those are the "thieves" who want to see in jail?

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