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airmark:
It should be a coach's responsibility to know the players that would execute his system perfectly. Pep was all over stones and ready to break the bank for stones' acquisition before the season started. He wasn't imposed on him. This point to the fact that he wanted stones (someone whose legs are not meant for his football) by all means. This puts him and only him alone in the 'blame box', for expecting a palm oil seed to produce a crude oil.

Pep doesn't not sign checks. He cannot break bank for anybody.



He can recommend....That's it. The keeper of the purse does the rest.

raumdeuter:
Cutting taxes in the UK? UK I believe is more of a service economy and dont have a lot of natural resources/finished products they sell internationally. How will domestic funding and those social services be paid for?

The Banks that basically fund the UK economy are threatening to run. Almost immediately after Theresa May's speech, HSBC came out to say that if the UK lost access to the single market, they would be moving over 1000 jobs to Europe straight. UBS came out shortly after to say the same.

By cutting taxes, Theresa May will be providing incentive to stay...as well as tempting more financial players to the island.

Basically, she's threatening to turn the UK into a Cayman Islands or Luxembourg. We're already the money laundering capital of the world. Shes threatening to legalise it.

Nothing financiers love more than Tax Avoidance...see Panama Papers for details.

airmark:
I understand , but pep still fell for the hype at 50m and that's no fault of anyone other than his. May be conte would have 'taught him tackles' and improved just as luiz improved pre-aguero's lunge. Pep went for a defender with footworks, with no interest in improving his defensive ability and now he is reaping the bad fruits. He is responsible for it bro and even shows he is not as great a coach as some thought. Just as bravo has forgotten how to use his hands to save shots, stones is playing terribly defensively. He will become worse, because his coach ''don't train tackles, what is tackle?''.

Pep doesn't have access to the Man City Bank Account - He is not the one that decides whether Stones is worth 50 million pounds. All he can do is recommend in the same way Jose did. The difference is that guy holding the purse string at Chelsea decided that Stones was worth 40m max - while at City that is being bankrolled by State Budget, Money is really no object - They are the same people that bought Mangala for 35m.

You're coming back to pragmatism in the second half of your post, and that is something I agree with having stated in my original post:


Pep's main mistakes have been Hart/Bravo, and insisting on playing a style that he doesn't seem to have the legs for.

We can all see that these players don't have the legs to play the kind of demanding football that Pep wants to play. He might be able to succeed in his chosen style if he had gotten new defenders in the market which he didn't for whatever reason.

Its his refusal to switch up the style and work to the tools that he has that I can blame him for. He's trying to be Picasso with Children's Crayons.

SIRcumalot:
I wonder how this brexit matter go eventually affect Utd and the EPL as a whole.

we no dey link to anybody for this mid-season at all.

It could work out very well for the EPL.

Theresa May is threatening to cut taxes and turn Britain into a Tax Haven if the EU decide to punish us for Brexit.

The only thing footballers love more than tattoos and sidechicks is 'Low Taxes'. EPL could become more attractive to big name ballers from that angle.

airmark:
And that doesn't mean that he was not the one handling the signings. Two of his signings, have performed woefully and brought man city to her knees.

I can only blame Pep for Bravo if I'm being completely honest... and i said as much in my original post.We all know that Pep chased Hart away for Claudio Basket.

I can't blame Pep for Stones - Stones was always going to go to a big club last summer. There was too much hype around him being a young English ball playing defender. We bid 40m for the boy if you recall. Manyoo and Barca were also reportedly chasing him too. City were just the only ones willing to pay Maga money for the boy, otherwise he would have been some other team's problem by now. So it's not as if Pep had identified him as one badass defender...he was quite simply a HYPE buy, like Sterling the year before.

diggz:
Wait oh!!! Are we saying sagna,zabaleta,clichy and kolarov are right offs bcuz they are 30+?

Sagna is decent. The other 3 have been writeoffs since only God knows when. Kolarov has never even been a decent defender in his life.

Anyway, another manager might have found away to hide the deficiencies of his defenders by putting them in community defence like Cahill, Luiz, etc.

Pep decided that he still wants to play a particular brand of football with players that definitely cannot play that style - That's where I feel he got it wrong.

But I can't see how he can be blamed in the transfer market.

airmark:
There's every possibility that during pre-season when he evaluated the players on ground, he changed his mind on his earlier list. He reprioritised and contented with sagna and others. Also, just as conte chased some targets unsuccessfully in summer, it is possible pep might not be successful with his targeted full backs. Not having new full backs is not enough to say he wasn't allowed to run the market. What we are very sure of is, he personally brought stones, bravo,gundongan,sane, jesus, nolito and favoured iheanacho pushed bony out on loan. A great manager will still bring out the best out of what is on ground, that he has failed to do.

That's entering the world of speculation. You don't know if he changed his mind to become content with those players.

The key thing being debated is how culpable for man city's failings in the market. The only thing that we know for sure is that Pep specifically asked for fullbacks from his team - He did not get them.

airmark:
Pep knew about the man city's job, months before his arrival. I dont think he wouldn't have informed city the players he needed to add before the season started. For a coach who advised chelsea to add 11 players, i dont think he would have accepted city's offer without telling them his targets to execute his plans. His problem was that he underrated the epl. May be, seeing leicester winning the league gave him a wrong impression and confidence, that was baloney. He was informed about the importance of second balls very late, among other stuffs. He personally forced hart out and brought bravo in. He is mainly responsible for the failure.

diggz:
How exactly is it not peps fault city started the season with 30+ fullbacks with no Dms? I mean this guy knew for months he was heading to manCity. He made stones his only option not minding the 30+ full backs plus CBs in mangala, otamendi and Kompany.

There is no excuse for Pep bruv. None.....

Of course Pep knew the squad he was going to be working with.

Marti Perenau followed Pep around for one full year at Bayern Munich when he was writing his book on the Bald Spaniard. He was allowed on to the training field, into the gyms and dressing rooms and into the players’ restaurant.

This is what he has to say:

Pep took on the job because he knew that he would be able to work without feeling that he was shattering long-established customs and practices. City was a blank canvas and he would be free to create as he saw fit.

In a meeting in Dubai at the start of June he came to an agreement with club management that about 10 new players would be needed. The squad who made it to the last four of the Champions League and achieved fourth place in the league worried him for several reasons: more than half the players (12 out of 23) were over 30; 17 of them were 28 or older; just four men were 25 or younger.

At the same meeting, the coach also took the time to agree the playing model he would use and told the sports director and the president the kind of players he would need, dividing his list into three separate categories: the defensive spine of the team; new strikers; the full-backs.

As ever, his priority was to create the nucleus of his defensive organisation, which would be composed of four men: the keeper, two central defenders and an organising midfielder.

Pep had some players in mind and some deals were immediately successful (Ilkay Gundogan), while others turned out to be complete non-starters (Aymeric Laporte). The rest required many weeks of intense negotiation.

If this account is to be believed, then it's not like Pep did not go in there and not ask for new fullbacks or other players.

nitlad:
In other words, they were building the team in his direction. Preparing the ground for him. Yet, here they are. . .

Exactly...

It's not really Pep's fault that City started the season with four 30+ year old fullbacks, Virtually no DM, and only one serviceable centre-back..

Pep's main mistakes have been Hart/Bravo, and insisting on playing a style that he doesn't seem to have the legs for. I don't think I can blame him for City's failings in the market.

hensben:
The truth is this, it is the first time Pep is 100% handling transfer dealings.

Pep isn't 100% handling transfer dealings. Basically City are actively aping the Barcelona model.

They signed a former Barca vice-president to be their CEO and former Barca Director of Football 4 years ago to start shaping the club in the image of Barca tactically and in the transfer market.

Pep is really just the head coach- though he has a say in who gets bought, Soriano and Gbegiri-stain are the key men in player acquisition.

MaziOmenuko:
Two weeks of woeful performance; there's a ghost haunting all my wildcards.

Did Nihilist just sign Aguero?

2FT and I don't even know what to do with it.

I tbought spotted a potential differential against a very poor Everton back line. I thought wrong.

He's already out. That guy cost me a 10k OR drop.

Griffon:
Chelsea have approached Middlesbrough over the availability of winger Adama Traore, according to Sky sources.

Omo sign him already!

Surely not!

Lana1:
Boss!
Oya go and win FUT Div 1

Or better still go for Elite 1 in Fut Champions

I refuse to play FUT and spend money on players that are already in the game and available to use in seasons.

Plus I don't have near enough time to grind for coins I need to buy the players that suit my play style.

I play with Manyoo in seasons. Big man little man with Ibra and Mkhitaryan. Only God knows how much in time and money that would cost on the FUT side of things.

elampiro:
Dont mind them, Manchester United is becoming a feard team again, the only way is to report against them to turn the referees and fans against United.

Imagine the sun said United has benefited from 6 offside goals this season and United must be stopped. When we were here crying from poor officiaty against us m

Fear?

Of the team eternally in 6th place?

Naah I dont think fear is the word.

What you should have done is borrow the sinizia playbook. Sinizia doesn't try to contest the Manyoo ojoro. He just brings out the ojoro done to Manyoo and by other teams and leaves the reader to draw whatever conclusions they want.

You are too honest elampiro. Normally integrity is a thing to applaud, but we the haters ain't got time for that. We're here to cut you down any which way and atrend your funeral afterwards with your blood still on our shirt

I've been on a winning streak since switching to 4231 wide formation sha.

Just won div1

elampiro:
Who drew this line? You or skysports?

I still find it hard to believe the defender who was closest to Valencia and the number 6 center defender were levelled. We could trust skysports for a better camera angle than any other source, but it is not adding up for me now.

There is also the question as to when they took their line. From what I saw in several videos, Valencia was played onside as at when Mata hit the pass.

Skysports


That's a screenshot of the studio analysis they were doing live when we were talking before.

elampiro:
That line is not straight na. I don't think it was scientifically placed there for the purpose of football.

I'm just pointing out that Sun Sport did not draw that particular line as you thought.

I've just posted the line that Sky Sports drew on their tablet.

This a screenshot of their tablet before you say they did it manually again.

They are analysing the offside goal now.

Look at the offside line.

Shey this one no straight for your eye?

By the way elampiro, this is just a random shot from yesterdays game completely unrelated to our discussion but notice thar line again.

You can see this is a line that is present on the pitch.

sinizia:
Yes, just re-emphasizing why United is PDP.

Fantastic. Thanks for acknowledging the facts.

Elampiro I'm now watching MNF special with Thierry and Carragher analysing . They're coming to that offside goal. I will take photos for you.

sinizia:
Nihilist, 2 weeks ago, your fellow conspiracy theorist and evil sidekick, SchinappProdigy, posted this image below.


You replied. . .


This Howard Webb was on the books of United when his words favored United, but suddenly his decision doesn't favour United and you craftily went. . .



He's now an "ex" abi? We've sacked him now but few days ago he was working for us? I wonder if you'd do like Dayo did on Terry and call Webb our "media darling" when next he sides with us, or maybe "United's olosho".

Egbon Nihilist! Egbon Nihilist!! Egbon Nihilist!!! How many times did I call you? Just kwantinue, I'm watching your hypocrisy in 3D.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4526328_img20160403065647edit_jpeg2bc91a31a60ba21b7fd2348e7464a848

Is Howard Webb still a referee?

Yes or no?

elampiro:
If you don't accept this then I can't help you.

Picture 1. When Mata made the pass.

Picture 2. Valencia already making a forward run whike the central defender was making a late attempt to play him off.

Just a second difference between the two pictures.

Stop trying to be clever.

Post the pic where you drew a line with your phone proving that Valencia was onside and then use that to disprove my pic of the very same scene.

sinizia:
You don't say!! I just knew it. I knew this club is so submerged in fraud. Take a look at how United is robbing Peter United to pay Paul Referees. The height of fraud if you ask me.

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BTW, confident sources told me that United are the people behind the recent revelations about child sexual abuse that happened in Chelshit. They confirmed that United planted the two child molesters at Shekpe, covered up thier heinous acts, and now Shekpe is doing fine, they spilled the beans just to tarnish Shekpe's image. UNITED ARE PLAIN EVIL!!

Is that the same West Ham game where Feghouli was sent off for doing nothing at all?

Are you posting pics of that very game?

dopeJemi:
actually it is not, that was why I made mention of the Liverpool players close to Valencia, look at their movement, you will see that the first two pictures you uploaded are different, your first picture shows the Liverpool player standing close to mata is a little bit upright, now look at the second picture, that same player's movement is different, he his now trying to run towards Valencia because the ball has been released to Valencia

the first picture shows Valencia is just about standing on the line, the second picture shows he is a little farther from the line, also check the way he stood, you will see that they are different pictures and there are changes in the player's positions

I'm guessing you're talking about the very first pic I posted.

elampiro:
He appeared offside from your dubious line drawn and the timing of your screenshot

I don't understand why you keep talking about drawn lines. You see that pause sign in the bottom left of my pic? That's when I paused the TV to take that picture with my phone.

Nobody drew any lines. What you were looking at is a pattern line on the pitch.

You drew a line on a zoomed in shot of the exact same frame and claimed that your line proved Valencia was offside.

I posted a wide angle shot of the same frame and now you switched it to say Mata has already released the pass.