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afrodoc2:
Is it the article by Martin Samuel?

Nah.

Martin Samuel does opinion pieces.

This one was an investigative, reputation-destroying hatchet job by some dude called Guy Adams.

Rooney name follow enter as Sam's alleged business partner

The article was questioning whether fat Sam would be able to drop his business partner from the England team regardless of how badly he played

afrodoc2:
There is no condoning what the greedy man did. He had the opportunity of his life at his dream job and within weeks he was already scheming to continue his dirty deals.
This is a man who has been the target of investigations before when he was a low-level mid-club manager, now appointed to the most coveted job in the land and he didn't have the self control or even just the common sense to tame his corrupt desires.....for even one month!
If being a saint is what is required to pass judgement on people or to acknowledge wrongdoing then kleptocrats, armed robbers and serial killers e.t.c would all go scot free.

LOL there's a daily mail exposé on Big Sam today. Go to their site and look at it.

CC Funlord sinizia

Big Sam no go kill person I swear

In 2013 it was alleged that the former Manchester United youth player, who had signed for West Ham the previous year, had fallen out with Allardyce after being put under pressure to drop his agent and instead sign as a client of Allardyce's agent Mark Curtis.

Today Ravel Morrison posted on Twitter "Nobody listened to a word I said"

Na wa o.

Managers on the make | … as described by agents
Manager 1
Ex-Premier League manager allegedly liked “bungs” in cash or deposited in a Swiss bank account. Pagliara said: “I can call [X] now and all it is with [X] is ‘How much, Pino? And will it be the same Swiss bank account?’”

Manager 2
Ex-top flight manager has had “more backhanders than Wimbledon”. Pagliara said: “This is what I hate… the guy that used to need the money but he’s had so much now that all of a sudden he’s whiter than white.”

Manager 3
After managing several British clubs, he was allegedly fired by one for having “his fingers in the till”. Pagliara said he would get involved if “you understand that when we do deals I have to have a carrier bag with some cash.”

Manager 4
Pagliara said of this boss with Premier League experience: “We know him very, very well. We do a transfer, [X] has winked at us and said ‘Yeah, I want the player. Is there a little coffee for me, Pino?’ Yeah, course there is.”

Manager 5
Ex-Premier League manager who, said Pagliara, would call him and say “here’s the number”, and give him details of a Swiss account. He said: “It was always numbered accounts.”

Manager 6
A former player who now manages, he allegedly likes extra money to secure deals because he is not on a big salary at his club. Pagliara said: “[X] takes a few [inaudible] because he’s not being paid big money.”

Manager 7
Ex-Premier League manager is another “we can put on the payroll”. If a player was transferred for £10m, “we’ll turn round to [X] and say, listen, if you take this player we’ll look after you. OK? OK, boom.”

Manager 8
Agent Dax Price said this long-serving manager would pick three trusted players and tell them he was paying them an extra £8,000 per month, on condition that they paid him £4,000 per month each.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/exclusive-eight-premier-league-managers-took-transfer-bungs-clai/

Full details to be released tonight by the Telegraph.
How interesting that a thing like this pops up at the exact time I was pondering why one man, and two agencies seem to be representing over a dozen of our players....

donjazet:
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There is a very big difference! One doesn't really hurt feelings per say while the other is extreme and does.. And more so one is not constitutionally illegal while the order is against the law and has a penal code.,

I'm not sure if you just want to talk or something else..

Give me a minute to round a posse willing to saddle up and ride out in search of your point...

funlord:




I'm just wondering who the FA will go for now?


Fat sam would have still have _fucked up with england anyway so its good riddance to bad rubbish............



So far I hear wenger is the new beautiful bride on the FA's block but arsenal are holding a fully loaded shotgun at his gate!

Lol

The real question should be what's gonna happen to Sunderland.

donjazet:
So why the criticism?

Criticism ke?

What's the criticism there?

I called him a greedy kunt. Is that a lie?

Or do you expect me to feel pity for him because I admit that I have given bribes before?

I can bet both my balls that you have stolen a piece of meat from your mum's pot before. I guess that you must sympathise with armed robbers.

donjazet:
Nihilist simple question..
Have you ever offered or accepted bribe in you life in any form??

Do I look like a holy person to you?

nateevs:
I wan play Devil's advocate abeg. . .

Why is everyone saying this £3m to £400k thing as if the £400k is small money? Don't get me wrong, I am by no means supporting his actions but I can see the logic.

According to UK tax laws, £3m a year puts him in the 45% tax bracket. Net pay after tax and NI deductions comes to £133,380.57 per month. So Sam requested bungs equal to 3 months salary - one quarter of his tax-free yearly pay.

So NO, the £400k is not as small as people think. He is wrong for taking bribe but considering figures, is he really greedy?


***Devil's Advocate things ***

I don't think Sam was an employee of the FA. He had a 2 year contract with England and whilst this could have been in the form of an FTC, I think it's more likely that the FA had a contract with a Personal Services Company that Sam owns. If this the case, then Sam would only be paying 20% corporation tax on the profit.

If he puts himself on a salary of around 40k, he would only be liable to pay a income tax of 15% of that amount which is 5,800 pounds a year total.

After claiming tax deductible expenses - buying a car, computer, he might be paying less sef. By the time his company 'invests' the vast remainder of the money in an 'offshore' fund, he might end up paying something like 10k a year total with NI, pension scheme and student loan sef(not that he went to school)

Last year it used to be put yourself on minimum wage and pay no income tax, then pay yourself in dividends at 7.5% tax.

I have no doubt in my mind that Sam has a solid tax avoidance vehicle in place, and probably pays less tax than you sef.

funlord:
Leave ibime alone abeg! Or can't you see what has happened to your national team coach? That's the real story right there!


By the way, why are the english media always allowed to arrange such football related stings and are never sanctioned or charged to court! Is it not illegal to wire tap and record such private convos all for the sake of blackmailing or embarrassing managers and players?




Or are they now a branch of scotty yard or interpol? I don't get it..........F.A did the right thang though!

Guy I've always wondered about this thing myself.

The BBC had already implicated himself, Alex Ferguson and others in their earlier panorama programmes.

I don't know if you know one chic called Tulisa from Ndubz. That's how she was setup 2 years ago by a newspaper man pretending to be looking for coke.

Rupert Murdoch's newspapers went as far as hacking the phones of public figures in the search for a scoop.

It's crazy cos even the police are not allowed to act in this manner.

Sam was done by entrapment, but I have no pity for him though. He was on 3m a year and thr greedy kunt still wanted more.

Some of the things he said were very interesting though. The corruption in this game no be here...

Ibime:
Like I said mate, your talk of Abramovic owning MSI are long debunked rumours.

FOR THE FINAL TIME, ABRAMOVICH HAD NO BUSINESS WITH MSI!

The below are the people who owned MSI - including Abramovichs mortal enemy Berezovsky.

In 2007, following allegations that Corinthians had been used to launder money, a Brazilian judge, Faustus Martins de Sanctis, ordered the arrest of Berezovsky, Joorabchian, Nojan Bedroud, cofounder of MSI, and four officials of club, including the chairman, Alberto Dualib.

So please put your FBI rumours to bed. Like I told you, Abramovich can NEVER do business with Berezovsky.

You woke up today to start reading old rumours. 10 years ago I was also excited that Chelsea might be buying the best South American players after the intitial rumours linking MSI to Abramovich, but having followed the story to its conclusion and discovering that it was Abramovichs mortal enemy Berezovsky behind MSI, I realised we were not going to get any of those players. . . . and we didn't even bid for a single one!

The players were Carlos Tevez, Marcelo Mattos, Gustavo Nery, Roger, Javier Mascherano, Carlos Alberto, Sebastián Domínguez and Marinho.

They belonged to Joorabchian and Berezovsky. Abramovich is an enemy of Berezovsky. You are arguing what we have already concluded 6/7/8 years ago. EOD. QED.

How many times am I going to tell you to ignore the Berezovsky yarns?

That is a tangential link that is largely irrelevant to this discourse. The link I'm talking were established in the early 90s when Kia was working for Berezovsky and Abramovich was Boris's protégé. At the most, you would have been 11 or 12 years old when all of this was happening so spare me the BS about 'following the deals'.

The only reason I mentioned Berezovsky name is to show that both Kia and Roman used to work for the man. Now they work together. Dazall.


I have been focusing on Kia and Roman for the last 10 posts.

For avoidance of doubt, I will say it again. Kia AND Roman.

So now let me ask you again. Are you saying you know more than a lawyer that works at a law firm that represents Chelsea on their football deals.

Kia represents or has represented the likes of Alex, Ramires, Oscar, Willian, Kennedy, Lucas Piazon, David Luiz, Wallace, Pato, Miazga, etc

All thrse players were signed under different managers, different TDs, different scouts, etc... yet the same Agent.

How is this possible?

How can the managers and scouto keep changing, yet the same agent keeps dropping his players at the club?

It's not as if, these guys are or were superstars when they signed.

How come we've signed like 15 players from just one man?

These are two of the Agencies that Kia is linked with.

EURO EXPORT ASSESSORIA E PROPAGANDA LTDA. and MONDIAL SPORT MANAGEMENT & CONSULTING SARL

Between them, these agencies represent the following current players at our club - Oscar, David Luiz, Piazon, Wallace, Matic, Kante, Zouma, Wellington, and Bertrand Traore.

They also represent some of our old boys like Pato, Alex, Ramires, etc.

Why does the club seem to be recruiting from the same place regardless of manager, TD, scout, etc?

Oya thesis.

Ibime:
It's relevant because it shows you are clueless on what you are talking about. You were trying to connect dots between Berezovsky and Abramovic vis a vis Joorabchian and MSI not knowing Abramovic and Berezovsky can kill each other if they see each other. . . something that the average Evening Standard reader knows.

For those who don't know, Berezovsky claimed Abramovich and Putin threatened his life and forced him to sell Sibneft, swindling him out of billions in 2001.




Welcome to the world of football!

Go to any top club in the world and you will see several players belonging to just a few super agents.

None of this means the agent is controlling those teams. If Mourinho wants Ibrahimovic, Pogba and Mikhtaryan, Woodward has to deal with Raiola, simples.

Your list of alibis for Emenalo is growing. From Mike Forde to Marina to David Barnard to Roman to Zahavi to Joorabchian to Mendes.

I'm wondering who is mad - the one who holds the TD responsible for traditional TD work. . . . or the one connecting dots to tell us about FBI crime saga in MSI with dodgy Russians rumoured to be partnering with shady agents to register shell companies in Gibraltar for the purpose of owning players whilst burying their true identity in Panama papers. All because of Emenalo! Na so craze dey start o.

You keep missing the point with this Berezovsky business by talking about their feud. The feud again is irrelevant. The whole point of mentioning Berezovsky is to show how Kia Joorabchian initially links with Roman.

Berezovsky was Roman's mentor during thr Boris Yeltsin years until Putin came to power. During the same period Kia was Boris's front to buy up former Soviet assets after the fall of the cold war.

You ignored the comment from a sports lawyer who works at a firm that actually advises Chelsea and has represented them during many transfers, including this latest David Luiz deal.

That Lawyer told you categorically that 'Chelsea as we know it would not exist' if not for Jorabachan

The same guy tells you that Kia enjoys such a relationship with Roman that he convinced him to buy the club AND sign Pato to showcase him you Europe.

I've given you well researched article with quotes from lawyers and investigators. You say no.

I've shown you links between Kia and Abramovich you say na lie.

A sports lawyer from an actual firm that the club keeps on retainer has spoken. Mba.

Even the clubs own website tells you that Emenalo is just a chief scout and youth manager. But nah...

But Emenalo is to blame by someone who is just a fan and has no inside links to the club.

That's the real madness bro.

I actually just found out that David Luiz too is represented by...drum roll...Kia Joorabchian

Who nor know go know...

Ibime:
You are not interested in reading.

The Wikipedia page does not establish any link with Abramovic. It only said there were rumours.

It is the same rumours when I was following MSIs purchase of Corinthians live 6 years ago which have been completely debunked.

What is fact is that GSAs directors are listed in Gibraltar as Mendes and Zahavi only, not the rumours you are spewing about Abramovic.

What is fact is that none of MSIs players were linked to Chelsea

What is fact is that Abramovic stopped dealing with Zahavi since 2006 way before MSI

What is fact is that the Berezovsky you claimed is Abramovics business partner in MSI is a sworn enemy - people who are ready to assassinate each other, and who had multi-billion court case against each other before Berrzovsky died

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berezovsky_v_Abramovich

What is fact is that Joorabchian has not been employed as a brokering agent by Chelsea any more than any other agent. His Ramires to China deal was the first in a long time.

All you are pulling for us is long debunked rumours of where Joorabchian got funding for MSI which some people linked with Russian money and lazily Abramovic just because Zahavi was involved, meanwhile Abramovic had dumped Zahavi long before.

There are those who follow events and those who woke up today to read old rumours and draw faulty conclusions.

Nothing you have showed us goes beyond usual agent and third party dealings, and none of it ties Emenalos hands. Clubs commission agents to get deals done everyday. The more powerful the agent the better.

These tenuous links to regular agent business is nothing revelatory. You might as well tell us Zahavi was directing Man Utd football strategy going by the below:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pini_Zahavi

Zahavi was a friend of the Manchester United manager, Alex Ferguson, whom he had first got to know in the late 1980s, and by the time of the Ferdinand transfer he was responsible for brokering almost every major Manchester United deal, including the sale of Jaap Stam to Lazio for £16.5 million and the purchase of Juan Sebastián Verón from the same club for £28.1 million in 2001. Verón had been signed for Lazio by another friend of Zahavi's, Sven-Göran Eriksson, whom he knew first as a young coach at Benfica.

You might as well give Zahavi credit as Man Utd TD for the same reason you believe Emenalo is powerless - just for doing regular agent work the club commissioned him to do.

I think that you don't even understand what you're posting.

Go and bring out any other club where the chairman is rumoured to be business partners with the agents that supply his club with players.

That particular rumour was carried by the Guardian. AS ran a full centrespread dedicated to it.

The Berezovsky v Abramovich feud is irrelevant to this case because while they were beefing, Kia was doing business with both sides anyway.

Your post about Pinhavi only undermines your case rather than buttresses it. Pinhavi is close to Ferguson who was the main man at Manyoo, and many of Pinhavi's players appear at Manyoo.

Jorge Mendes was close to Ferguson, and several of his players including Ronaldo, NanI, Anderson etc landed in Manchester.

Mino Raiola is close to Woodward these days and a 3 of his players land at the club in one summer for almost 200m.

Jake Cohen is a sports lawyer at one of the biggest law firms in the UK and has written about sports issues for the Wall Street Journal, ESPN and we aint got no history.

Let him tell you about Joorabchian.

For example, some fans criticised Chelsea and particularly, Michael Emenalo (who is simultaneously the most underrated and unfairly maligned executive working in football) for signing Matt Miazga and Alexandre Pato last winter. However, those two signings will pay off for Chelsea in a big way at some point.

Pato is already gone after a loan stint that saw him make just two appearances and Miazga appears to be heading out on loan. How, then will these signings pay off?

Well, both Pato and Miazga happen to share the same agents: Kia Joorabchian and Giuliano Bertolucci. If those names sound familiar, they should.

Without Joorabchian, Chelsea as we know it today might not exist.

Seriously. Take a look at a selection of deals they have been involved in -

Joorabchian convinced Roman Abramovich to buy Chelsea from Ken Bates.

Bertolucci convinced PSG and Jiangsu Suning to pay absurd transfer fees for David Luiz and Ramires.

Joorabchian convinced Willian to leave Tottenham Hotspur at the altar.

Bertolucci also represents Oscar, Kenedy, Lucas Piazon, Wallace, and a host of former players, including Alex.

So, when they ask you to give Pato a showcase to help him find his footing again in Europe (it worked, as he recently signed a four-year deal with Villarreal) and a promising young American a chance, you do it. It's just smart business.

If you were open minded, there's enough here to cause a pause for thought.

But I'm too sure that your beef with Emenalo is personal.

Ibime:
Abramovic does not and has never owned a stake in MSI or GSA.

Zahavi and Mendes are listed as GSA owners.

GSA did not own a stake in MSI, rather they bought stakes in players together eg MSI owned 30% of a player and GSA owned 20% etc.

Chelsea is not known for doing business with Joorabchian anymore than Barca is known for doing business with Neymars father.

If a club want a player and part of his economic rights are owned by an agent, the club have to buy out the agent. Every player bought from Portugal or Brazil is bought this way. It is bo indication of a special relationship.

No club that want to sell a player will ask their TD to sell the player. That is the job of an agent and how they earn commission, so I don't get your point about Emenalo not selling Ramires instead of Joorabchian. It is not TD job to send emails to clubs staring that a player is available for sale. They will employ an agent to underG contact clubs and claim they can get a player to move for x amount - meanwhile it is the selling club that has commissioned them to sell. That is why they earn 10% of the transfer fee.

What you are telling us is no different from usual agent work. It seems you are just learning how the system operates.

Mendes, Raiola or Joorabchian have no more special relationship with Chelsea than they have with Madrid, Utd etc.

The last agent to act as a defacto TD at Chelsea was Pini Zahavi in 2003, until Roman discovered he was a fraudster and dumped him.

Those who are interested in reading and finding out things for themselves will do so.

I think the first or second paragraph of MSI's Wikipedia page establishes a link to Abramovich with a purported 15% stake...so I don't know where you are getting your own info from.

Whether or not Abramovich actually had the stake is irrelevant because such links, tenuous or not, do not exist elsewhere in football.

If you can identify one club where the owner or chairman has been identified as a business partner to football agents, please let us know.

Your beef with Emenalo is personal.There's enough info to suggest that Roman is directly responsible for a lot of the transfers at the club if one was truly open to examining the information freely available.

I'm done sha. Make i go gym abeg.

Ibime:
Abramovic was never a director of GSA. GSA was owned by Mendes and Zahavi.

GSA did not own MSI, GSA owned percentages of players that MSI also held stake in.

What you are just showing us is the usual interrelationships between clubs and agents.

Claiming Abramovic did business with Zahavi is not a link, afterall everyone in football does business with Mendes so we might as well link Mendes to every Chelsea signing.

Currently, Roman does not do business with or trust Zahavi etc. Joorabchian did not do business with Chelsea for years either until Ramires sale to China.

He helped us get crazy money for Ramires and that is where he sold the Pato and Maizga deals to Chelsea.

Abramovic and Berezovsky can never do business so any link between them is fa fa fa foul.

All these are just tenuous links, a desperate play to throw enough mud and cloud the Emenalo argument and absolve him as a powerless statue.

Like I said, what you are just showing us is the usual interrelationships between clubs and agents.

I also attended the same University as Kia Joorabchian. I might be responsible for Pato signing. Connect the dots.

Dem say make you read you no go read, but you go dey yarn.

At least you've been cleared about how Tevez and Macsherano landed at WestHam.

MSI sold them to WestHam August 31 2006, and then announced their intentions to buy WestHam the very next day.

The deal didnt go through and both Tevez and Mac were gone at the end of the season.

GSA were part owners of MSI...and Pinhavi, Jorge Mendes and Abramovich were on the board. Even the Wikipedia page of MSI links Abramovich to a 15% stake in that company.

Now the main stakeholder of MSI (Kia Joorabchian e)50% of Ramires's economic rights when Chelsea bought him from Benfica.

I.e. Benfica and Kia Joorabchian owned 50% each of Ramires when we bought him which obviously Abramovich would have known when we paid for him...especially as they were business partners.

Now this same guy also owns companies that represent Oscar, Willian, Pato, Miazga etc...despite not even being a legally qualified agent..

Incidentally these are guys that many have complained about here. I remember you in particular, used to accuse Emenalo of clearing space for Ramires.

You mean Emenalo has the power to direct a large chunk of our transfers to just one (non )agent?

When Ramires was to be sold, the club went back to find his former owner to broker a deal to a maga. You think that Emenalo has enough clout at the club to organise such a deal?

Right let's look at Jorge Mendes, another one of Roman's reported business partner.

Jose himself, stated that when he was looking for an agent in 2004, he was being presented with offers from 4 different agencies. He told all of them that he would only sign with thr one that got him in touch with Abramovich. According to Jose, Mendes got him a phone call in two days, and a meeting in Paris on the third. Jose even though Mendes was joking when he got the call.

What kind of relationship does Mendes have with Abramovich where he can get his potential client a meeting with one of the richest men in the world in just 3 days?

Fast forward 10 years from that first meeting, Jose Mourinho is giving a press conference about how the world doesn't know the real falcao, blah blah...and all of this after Falcao was coming from a disastrous season at Manyoo after suffering a career ending ACL injury.

If we use this thread as evidence alone, there is not a single fan that thought the transfer was a good idea, yet here was Jose yarning opata.

Well, Falcao as you know shares the same agent with Mourinho...who goes by the name of Jorge Mendes.

Now if we as fans, could see that the transfer would flop...how much more the owner who actually was bankrolling the move? He goes to a lot of our games...he's not blind...so even if Emenalo and Jose were pushing for it, at least he would have been able to stop it, no?

Well, Jorge Mendes is Abramovich's historic business partner so...quelle surprise.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2006/09/02/the-truth-about-msi-and-their-incredibly-dodgy-friends/

This is a really old link. Read it with an open mind and tell me if you really think any other person runs transfers at Chelsea.

Roman directly intervened to sign KDB, Hazard, Torres and let Cech go even against Jose's wishes...yet we're still perpertrating the same old rumours instead of wondering how much money laundering is going on at the club.

Bimffo:
Yea. Emenalo is just a figure head.

I agree now.

I personally don't care if you agree or not.

I just feel it's my duty to put out relevant information for anyone who is interested to read for themselves.

dazall.

Ibime:
See FBI ontop football matter!

Abramovic did not own a penny in MSI. It was rumoured that some Russians funded Joorabchian but the Abramovic link was debunked. If Abramovic owned MSI, we would have got Mascherano and Tevez who were owned by MSI.

Tevez and Macsherano signed for West Ham on August 31 2006. September 1 2006, MSI announces their intention to buy West Ham.
https://www.ft.com/content/7e93e906-39ec-11db-90bb-0000779e2340

If Berezovsky and Roman saw each other in the street since 2000, they would kill each other. At the time of his death, he was in court suing Roman for billions cos he felt Roman and Putin jerked him on Sibneft. Infactvthe day Berezovsky caught Roman on the streets of London to slap him with court summons, Roman went white with fear and stepped up his security.

All that said, I am not sure what all of this has to do with a TD who has failed to deliver a stable team in years.

MSI was owned by amongst other parties including Joorabchan, a company called GSA. The directors of GSA were Pini Zahavi, Jorge Mendes and Roman Abramovich.

Pini Zahavi was the guy who facilitated Roman's purchase of Chelsea FC, and later recommended Drogba and Petr Cech to the club.

Do your research. Google is free.

Connect the dots.

Bimffo:
See connections..


Lets assume your assumptions are right, and you were able to connect the dots


Why have a TD when you can do the job as the owner.?


Yea. I get.. Emenalo doesn't do anything at Stamford bridge. He is just a figure head.

And I don't know why Roman keeps complaining about bad results. If he actually signed some of our players because he was someone's protege. .

Nihilist mehn.

The only person making assumptions here is you...well you, and the rest of the Anti-Emenalo crew.

If you still think Emenalo is in charge of recruitment despite the fact that Abramovich's former business partner seems to have quite a few players at the club, then we might as well stop pretending that your arguments are based on facts.

Kia Joorabchan actually partly owns(50%) Ramires sef, and made around 11m from his purchase the first time round, and would have no doubt made another tidy sum from his sale to China.

The club never told you that Emenalo signs players. In fact, Look at his bio and job description on the clubs own website, and you will see that the words ' player recruitment, player signing, ' etc are conspicuously absent from his profile.
https://www.chelseafc.com/the-club/about-chelsea-football-club/club-personnel/michael-emenalo.html

Compare to Marina's profile.
https://www.chelseafc.com/the-club/about-chelsea-football-club/club-personnel/marina-granovskaia.html

What I find interesting is that despite the fact that she only joined the board in 2013...she has been representing the owner since 2010. I'm done with this discussion.

Bimffo:
You don't have to sign Pogba and Ronaldo and Messi before you play ball.. Barca did that with their recruitment this past summer.

Even if Marina/Roman will pay for Baba and Papy and Pedro and Pato, it was because the Technical Director recommended them. They didn't act on their own.

But I don't know why we are having this argument.

Lets see what the future holds. Everyone has a point. Its just about perspective.

Some people think its Abramovic, some of us think its the TD.

Some pages back, I asked y'all to vote. I think Abramovic got the Lowest though.

A lot of your slack talk can be avoided by simply using google before you post.

Pato is represented by Kia Joorabchan.Kia Joorabchan also represents Oscar, Ramires and Willian. Oh, and Matt Miazga.

Kia Joorabchan used to own a company called MSI.
Abramovich reportedly owned a 15% stake in MSI.
Kia Joorabchan and Boris Berezovsky used to be business partners. Abramovich used to be Berezovsky's protege.

Connect the dots.

nateevs:
The words in bold letters, are genuine, incontrovertible evidence of a pre-disposition towards the arguments. It is all geared to make Emenalo the evil one even when facts stare people in the face. No be today we don dey argue these things.

We were here when Chelsea submitted bids of up to £40m for Stones. There are several reports surrounding Everton's reasons for not selling and/or Stones' desire to join or not join Chelsea.

Some quarters will make you believe that if Chelsea went up to £50m, Everton would have sold. I like to believe this as well (forget for a moment whether the deal makes sense or not). For the purpose of this discussion, let us focus.

Who recommended that Chelsea stops at £40m? Emenalo?

Come on fellas. Let's be factual for a minute and evaluate exactly when we came across this whole Emenalo debate. Did we arrive at this debate on the back of results from duly researched facts or have we been unconsciously influenced by the words that have been spoken the loudest?


Those words above are made to look as though, Jose wanted good quality but someone decided against it and gave him dross instead. When in fact, Chelsea went out to try and make the deal happen. This was the case with Pogba and Marquinhos. Bids were tabled to respective clubs. It's in the papers. However, it seems if the deals went through, they would have been Jose's signings but as they didn't go through, it as Emenalo who decided to bring dross in instead.

Why do we continue to tow this line?

Good luck getting a sensible answer to that question...

Bimffo:
Marina joined the board 2013. She is a Business woman. She has been the right hand of Roman for 17 Years..

I am not literally saying she doesn't know anything about football. Sure, she will always know when her team scores.

The more you repeat this, the more ignorant you sound. Like I said, google the woman. Google her accomplishments in football. Not just at Chelsea too.

She doesn't know Ivanovic has been shiii since 2 Years ago. If she does, she won't hand him a New contract.

She doesn't know ninnies like Oscar and Matic still play for the club and Decent Players like De bruyne has been sold.

3 of our back men are over 30+ and she is handing them new contracts and You want me to believe she knows something about football..?

I honestly don't know what to say to this.

I agree with your sentiments, but not with the assertion that she doesn't know anything about football. What we can both agree on is the fact that she is not from a sporting or football background.

The issue here is that you believe that due to her relative lack of football knowledge, she would automatically defer to Emenalo's opinion as the subject matter expert.

I, on the other hand, am more concerned with the fact that despite her relative lack of hands on football coaching experience, she(and Roman) as the holders of the cheque are the ultimate decision makers when it comes to player recruitment...ergo we only buy players that Marina and Roman agree are worth the price.

So when you complain that Emenalo is influencing Marina and Roman to buy rubbish, I'm asking how many purchase requests have been denied, vetoed and overruled by that pair.

The public pursuits of, and failures to land the likes of John Stones, Luke Shaw, Paul Pogba, Koulibaly et al show us that at some point the cheque holders decided that these players were not worth the prices being quoted. How many more times has this happened?

This is the question that you really should be asking....

Bimffo:
Marina doesn't know anything about football. All she does is business. She just needs a little convicing that this player is worth this and she will splash the cash. She sees how Madrid, Barcelona, United and Man city spends a lot to be on top na.

So, why won't she wanna spend.?

This is probably the most ignorant statement ever.

Research Marina Gravnoskaia. You think a 39 woman gets on the board of one of the biggest clubs in the world without knowing about football?

Bimffo come correct abeg.

We were signing good quality players before Emenalo. So what changed? Our problems started immediately from Emenalo regime. What changed?

Why did we start this attitude of stock piling players when he became Director?

Why did Mourinho want him out of the position before his arrival in 2013.?

Why? Why? Why?

I'd like to know exactly what you mean by 'Our problems started immediately from Emenalo regime.' before we proceed.

What problems are we talking about here?

bigkesh:
OK you are right...
I saw what you did there MR

The crux of the matter is Hazard,you intentionally jumped to the others
Buroda Nihilist,is Hazard an Emenalo signing?
Yes/No

Emenalo does not sign anybody at Chelsea.

I only posted that picture to show Bimffo how different people pose with players at our club. I said it back then during my argument with Ibime that the main guy that signs players is Roman Abramovich. He's the one that makes the decisions.

Regarding your question about Hazard. Let me leave you with a quote from Rudi Garcia - then Hazard's manager at Lille.

Garcia explains how Didier Drogba called Gervinho and asked if Hazard - who now plays for Chelsea - was with him. Gervinho said: 'Yes, he is here.'
Hazard took the phone and Garcia claims Abramovich said: 'I don't know how much you earn at Lille, but I will triple your salary.'
The Belgium forward, who moved to Stamford Bridge for £32million in 2012, has been in stunning form this season, suggesting the Russian billionaire was right to make such a generous offer.
He has been Chelsea's driving force in recent weeks, starring in the 1-0 win over Manchester City and scoring a hat-trick to defeat Newcastle.

Hazard himself claims that though he didn't speak to Roman that day, the call actually happened.

Hazard said: “I didn’t want to go to Chelsea because I wanted to play the Champions League and they were sixth in the league.

“I was convinced when they won the Champions League in 2012.

“At the time, Roberto Di Matteo really wanted me, they had Juan Mata, and Oscar had been bought. I was told: ‘You’ll see, Chelsea will play football’.

“Gervinho called me and said: ‘Someone’s on the phone’. I didn’t know who it was but it was Drogba, he wanted me to sign.

“I was flattered, he was maybe the best striker in the world. In my head, I wasn’t going to sign, but in the end I was very pleased with my choice.

Hazard is a Drogba signing mate...

bigkesh:
Lukaku,KDB,Courtois and the rest are Emenalo's
Hazard na Roman signing,just like Torres

This is why you need to research what is going on before you make blanket statements.

Piet, take it away please...

Cortouis

I went to watch Lukaku in a youth game, but during stoppage time, I decided to walk to another pitch. There, I saw a goalkeeper making an amazing save — so stylish. He was agile, he got fast to the ground and was strong in the air. I was already thinking: 'That's going to be my goalkeeper'. When he made his debut for Genk, I immediately sounded the alarm bells at Chelsea. Everybody was immediately convinced of his qualities. Everybody! Neuer is currently the best goalkeeper in the world, but Thibaut can become better than him. Neuer is just more experienced. Thibaut is very very stress-resistant. Like Edwin van der Sar. Courtois is a better version of Van der Sar."

Lukaku

"I fought to keep Lukaku at Chelsea, but Mourinho thought he wasn't ready. The manager takes the decisions — I'm only a scout. In my book I've called Lukaku a holding striker. Some people don't agree with me, but I'm looking at a bigger picture. He can control a ball, shield it, but he doesn't have that pure dribbling technique. He's no Wayne Rooney. Lukaku is in my eyes a class better than Benteke. Romelu is ready for a next step in the summer. I would like to see him with better players around him. Does he have to return to Chelsea? I would down a bottle of wine if De Bruyne and Lukaku ever sign for Chelsea again."

KDB

Piet de Visser has been scouting for Chelsea since 2005 and has personally liaised with Abramovich on potential transfer targets, and has revealed that he needed to go directly to the Chelsea owner about De Bruyne’s talent.

“One of the best players I’ve scouted is Kevin De Bruyne,” De Visser wrote in his new book Master Scout, which has been serialised by Het Nieuwsblad.

“Kevin was 18. Even then he had a great technique. I had rarely seen such a thing. He was an attacking midfielder with a superb first touch and immediately moved the game, created openings. For me, he was an instant revelation.

"I asked for the tapes of De Bruyne and took them to Chelsea. I showed them to the chief scout.

“He said he liked De Bruyne but added there are plenty of players like him.

“I said 'No, this boy has something extra'. I called the director of Genk [Dirk Degraen].
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“He told me many more teams were watching him. I had to take action, I had to be bold and I took the tape to the big boss of Chelsea, Roman Abramovich.[/size]

“Roman is a genuine football lover. He not only wants to win, he wants to see beautiful football. He watched the tape, didn't say anything, but called the scouting department.

“’That De Bruyne guy has to come’, he said. If the big boss likes you, that is of course a great way to make your entry."

All 'Emenalo signings'

Bimffo:
Yea. I agree with you that Emenalo doesn't cut the cheque and he doesn't negotiate with Rival clubs..

But he recommends players? Right? That is where I think he is at Fault..

The stuff is Marina will likely listen to Emenalo before she listens to anyone on the kind of player that we need to buy. Emenalo is the Director. Marina cuts the cheque.

What type of Player does Emenalo suggests for Marina. What type of Player?

Emenalo suggests a player, Marina negotiates with the Player's club.

I don't think Marina just goes straight to a rival club then start a player's negotiation without the Director recommending the player.

Or what do you think?

The question you should be asking is who is on that list of suggestions, and in what priority.

You should be asking how many deals have been dropped by the wayside because they cost too much from Gravnoskaia and\or Roman's perspective...

A person who does not cut a cheque cannot make a decision. If Emenalo is not the one who ultimately decided whether a player is worth buying for the club, then how is he to blame for our problems?

Oya thesis.