|
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 7:50am On Aug 23, 2016 |
Lmao biblical shots follow sef? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 6:32am On Aug 23, 2016 |
Lmao  All of una dey mad o. See firing  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:37pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Of course Ibime would side such. Don't worry we stay dropping facts and facts alone. Ibime you WILL comply one day...  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:34pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
afrodoc2: I am not really talking about what he did for Leicester but what my eyes tell me are his best assets. Energy, Pace, stamina for days, aggression, decent technique, great on the ball runs e.t.c He will be underutilized just marking and shielding the defense. His runs with the ball from deep would prove useful to his team especially in order to make quick transitions and launching counter attacks, you cant have your main midfielder marker doing that IMO.
Fabregas is so creative that the onus is on Conte to find a way of fielding him. Playing these other guys will only guarantee Chelsea a top 6 finish but to go to the next level you need someone to enable your strikers thrive.....and that is Fab. Doc, Kante made very few runs for Leicester. That was a team that did not or do not believe in overload. I'm on my phone now so I can't post pics, but Leicesters game plan was sit deep, win the ball, ping long diagonal ball to Vardy. As such, there are not many examples of Kante doing those things you think he can do. Consequently, I think sacrificing his exceptional defensive talent and forcing him into a more offensive role would be a mistake...unless we have no choice. That guy is simply tooooooo good as a DM. Let's leave him there abeg. Especially considering the alternative  raumdeuter: Or in Frances Kante-Pogba Matuidi who was the runner here? Obviously not Kante Hey behave yourself Egbon. The doc is our esteemed guest, don't try to codedly rope him into our roforofo antics here. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:12pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
afrodoc2: There are 2 basic truths in that Chelsea midfield. 1) Kante is best utilized as a runner, covering every blade of grass and checkmating the opposition higher up the field
2) Fabregas has to play to give the creativity necessary to avoid low scoring wars of attrition.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHO IS BEST PLACED TO PLAY THE MARKER ROLE? sitting just in front of the defense and shielding the back 4? If we judge based on Leicester and the Euros, Kante is the one who sits back, wining the ball and laying it off to Drinkwater. Leicester used to/and still do sit very deep and only press in their half, so I'm quite surprised you think Kante was pressing high up the pitch. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:03pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
donjazet: Do you think it is okay to use just 2 games to judge players ability? I'm not sure you understand this discussion at all sir. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:58pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: Not only is your maths rubbish, you also can't count 
I see Victor Moses, Courtois, and Pedro before Matic in that table so he is FOURTH, not third 
Listen gee, it's not unnatural for people to have more HBP over Oscar than Matic.
(1.) Matic has performed to a high level before, Oscar has flopped for 4 years (2.) The defence is stable, creativity is the problem
Which of these 2 facts can you not get through your coconut head?
Why in a society of sane people would we have more HBP over the DM than the AM?
I get it. . . . Fabregas cannot run, so we need Oscar to run for him? Fabregas is the new crutch on which Oscar justifies his useless existence for one more season? I deliberately didn't count Moses due to the fact that he only has 24 minutes of footy under his belt. The origin of this discussion was why Fab was on the bench whilst one of Oscar and Matic was on the pitch. The answer is that based on stats, performance and any other metric you can think of, Matic should be chilling on the bench which I hear is very comfortable. The Ibime answer of course, is Oscar is shit. How Matic can be praised for the defence giving his dismal defensive numbers is beyond me. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:34pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: From the start, I said lets not compare an natural AM to a natural DM, you started ranting that they are playing the same position so we must compare them.
Now you are telling us they play different positions so we should not compare their dispossession stats. 
My nigga face it, you are butthurt that Oscar is catching flack for his utter uselessness this season and you are trying to shift attention away to Matic who has no business with Oscar.
Matic midfield is stable right now. Nobody is running willynilly at Chelsea defence. We rather want to know why the Attacking midfielder is too blind to play any penetrating passes.
Don't tell us Oscar is losing the ball more because he is playing more attacking passes, yet the blind visionless mothaphucka cannot create a single opening for his team. Defensive midfield is fairly stable, Attacking midfield is clueless. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!
Like I said simply all along, leave Matic out of your Oscar business. It is not stewpid to retain hope in a nigga who has done it to the highest level before. What is stewpid is putting hope in a useless AM who has never done it. Our loyalty is not misplaced. QED! You are the one that keeps bringing Oscar into it. I have told you to forget Oscar. We have 3 central midfielders, Matic is the worst. Remove Oscar from the equation, Matic is still inferior to Kante. In fact, whoscored rank Matic as our third worst player overallSo I find it really surprising why you lot want to focus on Oscar, when we have a literally bigger problem staring us in the face. And when we pull you up on it, your defence of Matic has literally amounted to "look at Oscar, he's shït!" Anyway, let's move on to another discussion. How about Emenalo? 
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 5:17pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Lmaoo airmark you are a bastard i swear |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:00pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: Like I said, before arguing stats with someone, you have to be sure that they understand what they are talking about, and you clearly don't.
Being dispossessed is not about misplacing passes as you have erroneously stated above. You are dispossessed when someone plays a pass into you and you cannot hold off your opponent with strength or good touch or combination of both. Why not post the dispossesed stats of Terry and Courtois too.  I'm talking about average positions. Oscar is in positions where he is surrounded by centerbacks and defensive midfielders. Matic is in positions where he's only being marked by the opposing 10 and/or a striker, now tell me who is likely to be dispossessed? I put the pass direction to serve as an indicator of relative position and you're still arguing irrelevancies. The same reason why Hazard is dispossessed more times than Matic is the same for Oscar. Put Matic in Oscar's position and see if he doesn't lose the ball more. Are you sure you understand stats at all?  Since you erroneously believe dispossession is misplacing passes, please do this GCSE question for me.
If Oscar makes 50 passes per game, at 83% success rate. How many times was he dispossessed according to Nihilist? The answer would be (100-83)/100*50 = 8.5 times per match, yet your intelligent brain cannot look at stats saying he is dispossessed only once a game and figure out that your definition is wrong?
Why would an intelligent person not develop headache when discussing statistics with you? You have given me enough headache for one day abeg. Adieu. You are an olodo.  Like I said earlier, the direction of the passes was to give you a rough reference point to where they collect their passes. Matic plays short passes and does not move forward. Why would you expect him to be dispossed more times than Oscar who plays riskier passes and has to move into attacking positions to play said passes? Why do you think that Costa as strong as he is has been disposseed 2.5 times a game. Same as Hazard.  You have been mortally destroyed today mate. Just go and sin no more, but dont let me catch you discussing stats again capisce?  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 4:39pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
raumdeuter: In my opinion
In a 3 man midfield
You need a Marker, A passer and a runner
The marker in Chelsea previously was Matic but now I think everyone would agree Kante is a better marker
The passer is still fabregas and I doubt anyone in the midfield does a better job
Now the runner which Oscar is or is supposed to be and one of his job is to join the striker to do the initial press.
So in these 3 categories where does Matic fit?
There are variations to these depending on if you are ultra attacking or ultra defensive. An ultra attack might but drop the runner for 2 passers and an Ultra defence might drop the runner for 2 markers
If Chelsea is playing say Barcelona and decide to defend, they might need another marker in Matic, but when playing West Ham and Watford, you are expected to take the game to them and having 2 markers is just a waste of personnel It's not allowed to make sense as far as Matic is concerned. The only way for Ibime to avoid dissing the man he once said 'was more important than Hazard to the team' is to deflect on Oscar. Unfortunately, in any metric that matters so far, Oscar has done a better job than Matic this season. If Oscar drops dead tommorow, Ibime would continue to blame his dead body, rather than address the shocking and abrupt decline that matic has suffered. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 4:35pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: I don't like arguing data with someone who does not understand what he is looking at.
Go and check dispossessed stats per game - Matic dispossessed 0.5 times per game to Oscar 1.0 - and I don't look at such small stats. My eyes already tell me that Matic protects his ball better, but since you like to look at meaningless stats, go and look it up. How would Matic be dispossessed when he plays safe passes? Matic has so far played the fewest forward passes and long balls of our current midfield trio, so logic dictates that he would be dispossessed less. Or do you honestly expect Oscar who moves into more advanced positions and heavily marked areas to have lower dispossessed stats than Matic who sits behind and passes backwards? Are you sure you know what statistics are?  I only look at few stats when judging deep lying midfielders, and that is no of (1.) no of passes (2.) percentage successful passes and (3.) km covered per game. After that, my eyes judged for themselves. We currently play 2 deep lying midfielders. Matic has inferior stats in all categories when compared to Kante. If you expand the sample to include Oscar, Matic falls short again! Based on those stats you posted, Mikel would win the Balon D'or, that's why the boffins more knowledgable than yourself decided to come up with a possesion rating system that relies on a bit more that no of passes and percentage of successful passes per game, and yet again Matic falls short! You may need a trip to specsavers. Now, lets explore your argument that Matic was the most dribbled midfielder in 2015.
A sensible person asks, what does it take for a central midfielder to be dribbled? First the midfield has to be open for a player to run at you and have space to run into. Fernandinho was dribbled 2.1 times per game, just behind Matic. Why? Because with Yaya Toura jogging back lackadaisically, there is enough space to run at him and dribble him. Fernandinho is one of the best DMs in the league, but he will be dribbled more due to Man City's midfield set-up. I don't see why you're trying to blame the team for Matic's individual failings. Matic was dribbled past more than any midfielder in league, even more than his partner Fabregas. Maybe the fact that he had more tackles than anybody else meant showed that he was being aggressive and players were takingf advantage of that? you forgot to highlight he made the most clearances of any midfielder with 3.3 clearances per game and his whoscored rating was also the highest. Again, that is a meaningless stat that doesn't concern me, just pointing out your misuse of useless statistics. It's a good job you mentioned that is a meaningless stat because it only shows that Matic was in a position to get clear the ball from inside the box, which is good, but hardly an indicator of world class ability. One on one when players caught Matic, they were dribbling the daylights out of him. That was a warning sign that we all missed. Matic in 2016 had his worst season and was only dribbled past 1 time per game. In 2015 when he was the best DM in the prem, he was dribbled 2.2 times per game.
Does that look like what an intelligent person would be arguing? This just shows that you have no understanding of statistics in football. Any fan would tell you that last season, Ivanovic was the gateway to our goal. Ivanovic express was free, no tollgate, no police. Which is why Chelsea conceded the most chances on that flank than any other team in the league! Now considering that Matic played on the left side of midfield, whilst Ivanovic was busy getting caught upfield on the other side of the pitch, why should Matic replicate his 'dribbled past heroics'?  My ninja, you are hurt that Oscar is flopping once again, and everyone can see it. Stop comparing him to Matic. Matic bought our loyalty with 18 months of outstanding work. We will give him a few months to rediscover his form. Oscar the 4 year flop deserves none of our patience. Thats it. Keep your 0.4 and 2.7 type of useless statistics to yourself. I'm having headache reading such meaningless drivel. You should stick to hating bruh. Don't try and argue stats that you don't understand.  Let's talk about Matic baby, Let's talk about Matic and me, lets talk about all the good things, and the bad things yes baby...  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:37pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
I think looking at the last stat, we can see why Matic has the 86% pass completion. Out of those 10 players, hes the only one without a key pass. Everybody is contributing offensively and defensively, that's why the offensive players like Hazard and Fabregas and Oscar has around 83% pass possesion...because they are making risky key passes. Mehn, Ibime don't worry about Oscar for now. Let's be concerned for Matic.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:30pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: .
Nihilist is busy comparing metrics we know nothing about. Matic makes more passes and more successfully. Matic protects his ball better while Oscar gets brushed aside and dispossesed easily. You saw earlier that Matic has the lowest possesion ratings out of our 3 midfielders so this statement here is already null and void. Ibime can never entertain comparison of a nonentity like Oscar to a player like Matic who has dominated midfield in EPL and Portugal, and even dominated Chelsea midfield to sege in 2013 Europa final. Matic is currently the worst rated central midfielder at Chelsea, and he was utterly dreadful last season I don't know why you keeping bring Oscar into it. Why don't we just talk about Matic NOW? What does Matic bring NOW? You may have forgotten, but it's 2016 sir, not 2013. Just like Ibime can never entertain any attempt to pull up stats to convince him that Baba Rahman is a viable left back. What is the point discussing useless stats about TOTAL NONENTITIES? The wicked run where no one pursueth. What does baba rahman have to do with Matic?  You mean you can type up this entire epistle about Oscar and baba, but cannot just say unequivocally what Matic brings to the table today? 
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:03pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Skimpledawg: for how many seasons will we keep "managing" Oscar? a number 10 that is not a creator? holy moly. how did we get here? Matic has been performing at his position for a long while now and the same can't be said of Oscar - an early season wonder and then drifts off to wonderland like Bigkesh rightly posited. So, I'd say Matic should seat down and rediscover himself. Why are you focusing on Oscar when Matic is statistically the worst player in our midfield? I really don't get this. Matic was off through out last season. In 2014/2015, he was the was the most dribbled player in the whole league. I keep saying that what covered for us that year was our high attacking numbers. In 2015/2016 he was rubbish. in 2016/17, it's still a bit early, but Matic is already our worst midfielder. I would argue that Oscar is the least of your worries, if you're truly just interested in our team's success as an objective fan. So why don't we talk about the 6'4 elephant in the room, hmm? 
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:43pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: You're the one trying to compare them by bringing tackling stats and all that.
For that to happen, you first have to believe that Oscar is a viable central midfielder. Conte Clearly does. Anyway, we play 3 central midfielders and I ranked them on key Metrics. Second of all, I have never compared players based on tackling stats. It is the most stewpid comparison metric unless you are comparing players who play the same game. What is the difference between making 2 tackles per game and making 3.5 tackles per game. It was Maldini who told me that a player should never have to tackle, and having to make a tackle means that a mistake has already been made earlier. What I look like comparing Taribo West's tackling stats to Maldini and claiming that means Taribo West is better. Again of the three midfielders we play. Matic has the lowest interception stats. So if you're not tackling and not making interceptions as a so called defensive midfielder, what the fvck are you doing? If we want to talk about stats, we can talk about the fact that Matic is 57 passes per game at 87% accuracy while Oscar is making 50 passes per game at 83% accuracy. Of course we can accept those. But when we dive deeper, we will see that 1. Matic has the lowest number of forward passes of our 3 central midfielders 2. Matic plays shorter passes than his contemporaries Which is why, he has the lowest possession ratings of our midfield 3. Nobody gives brownie points for 'e no spoil for my hand' sideways and unadventurous passes...well maybe except for you. So the question here, is what exactly does Matic bring?  I mean, the guy has the lowest whoscored ratings of our midfield 3. What does he bring to the table?
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:28pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Skimpledawg: Oscar been better than Matic is quite acceptable. are we now comparing a natural AM to a natural DM? Oscar and Matic should just find the belt in the seat and use it. Who is a natural AM, who is the natural DM here? You might need to go and check both players histroric positions, and you may be unpleasantly surprised. if they both play the same position now, shouldn't Oscar be more probing with 'em defence slitting passes? The problem is that you don't seem to understand tactics. One player must step up from the midfield to the attack in transition. If the creative player is at #10, then someone from the pivot will step up e.g Ramsey/Cazorla at Arsenal, Yaya Toure(even Sagna now) at City. Fellaini(and now Pogba) at United. If the creative player is playing in central midfield(as part of a 3) or the pivot(As part of a 2) then another player from the 3(in the former) e.g Oscar or or the #10(in the latter) e.g Firmino in the latter will step up to attack. I've always said that people need to manage their expectations. Not everybody that plays in number 10 is a creative type. Oscar is not a creator. Anyway the question here is, if Oscar is not the creator in the team, and kante is the DM, what is Matic's job? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:17pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: Bros, #leaaaaaveityeaaaaaaah
I would be very stewpid to be discussing nonsense about Matic and Oscar with you.
I know Oscar's flopping is biting you yet again this year.
For one, I don't discuss no of tackles made because that is a foolish metric that depends on style of play. Makelele made very few tackles, but preferred shepherding players into cul-de-sacs.
For two, my loyalty is not misplaced. What do I look like discussing nonsense about tackles made and key passes of a 4 year flop against Matic? It's like me arguing stats about how Lampard played in a particular game vs Mikel. I am not an eediot.
Take note of the man in midfield in the picture below. My loyalty is not misplaced. I would rather compare Isaac Semitoje to Uche Okechukwu before comparing Oscar to Matic. Except I am and have been talking about Matic wrt regards to what he brings to the team. You're the one who wants to keep comparing to Oscar. To reiterate, Oscar and Kante have made more defensive contributions to the team so far than Matic. Oscar and Kante have also made more offensive contributions to the team than Matic. Why should Fabregas not bench Matic? Instead of answering this simple question, you are forming lethal bizzle. kontinu.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:45pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
hensben: I understand your point bro and I am with you on that. Ibime is [size=28pt]deliberately[/size] not understanding your point about oscar. He wants to see that AMF with stats, either by goals or assist like lampard or iniesta and you're saying though he's not that but he's useful in other area that gives the team in midfield more balance compare to matic at the moment which is true. FTFY Obviously, Matic is Ibime's champion. He has given every excuse under the sun to deny the fact that Matic has been crap...from blaming Fabregas to Fatigue to Mourinho. Now we're trying to talk about Matic again, and he's quickly deflecting to Oscar AND quite ridiculously, Sterling too! Matic is the worst player in our midfield using any relevant metric, yet he's complaint about oscar. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:31pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
hensben: oscar has not be deceiving, his undo is his strength/physique in a more intensed opponent. we all know pre season is played with less intense and oscar position is always threatened so he had to play to his best in pre seaon were opponent are not serious and that make him to be the best thing after slice bread in coach's eyes. If you think Oscar in the team on preseason form, then you should ask yourself why RLC and especially Aina are not yet starters. Chalobah too. Oscar is a tactical inclusion. That injection of pace and tactical discipline he brings is not easily replicated in our squad. The only other guy who offers that is Kante and he has a different job to do. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:25pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: As long as Chelsea look defensively solid, Matic has done his job.
Oscar went from comparisons with Lampard to the best AMs in the world. . . to now comparing with a DM/CM. Na so the desperation done reach?
There are several permutations of formation Chelsea could employ so I am not about to start comparing a natural DM to a natural AM. Formation changes from game to game and even within 90 minutes so I am not foolish to start comparing two different types of player.
Oscar should tell us what he has brought to the AM position and stop looking for people in other positions to hide behind.
And I'm for sure not going to hold brief for a 4 year disappointment who can't even secure a nomination for young player of the year against a ninja who made EPL team of the season 12 months ago. Actually Oscar and Matic are both playing in central midfield this season. The statisticsame show that Oscar has had more defensive contribution than Matic, more offensive contribution than Matic, more anything than Matic. The question here is why Matic deserves to start ahead of Fabregas. That's what I'm asking you sir. All your other yarns are deflections. Matic was not playing DM when he came to Chelsea, and Oscar was playing right wing, so leave the natural yarns to discussion on farmland bro. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:56pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ibime: The yearly Oscar defence and excuses continues. . . .
Every year for 5 years, the same argument around this time of season.
Singing. . . .
"After the 5 years wey him do. . . . him do, him do" "We still dey wait for the change. . . the change, the change"
Someone should alert me when Oscar gets at least a nomination for young player of the year. This is not Oscar defence at all. As bad as Oscar is, he has been better than Matic. What I'm asking is what Matic brings to the table. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:33pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Funlordjnr: Who was not crap last season in chelsea sef? I get where you are coming from but remember this is the same matic that was your one of your 3 standout players the last time you chaps won the league? That player cannot have disappeared into thin air na! Conte needs to get that player back! That's why he is paid the big bucks innit?
He has been average but as I posted earlier based on the conte wey I know, matic or mikel has a chance to bloom in that midfield! Or maybe conte should attempt a fab, oscar and kante combo in your next game and see how that works out If matic continues serving up drivel that's on him and better for united sef! Fabregas Oscar and Kante are our best options in a 433. One suspects that Conte fears that Fab+Matic may be easily overrun. Like so many here have posted, that combo was the most dribbled past midfield combo in 14/15. I did a photo analysis of our first game viewing city last season and highlighted the issues they had, though at thr time I didn't realise I was witnessing the beginning of what appears to be Matic's decline |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:18pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Funlordjnr:

Nope......if I INSULT person you go know...that was just a little jab because you guys are still our rivals so you must be disrespected at every chance one gets! At least una no dey suffer reach those "emirate homos" so why the painment? Lol.....
Now back to the matter...your coach is an italian, so defensive solidity and a non compromising midfield takes priority over all else....na oscar go cut out from that midfield, matic has never been creative but defensively he is on point! Oscar is also a bit of an inconsistent injury prone player so that may also cost him his place........na fab, matic and kante go fit lead una enter europa at least! Matic has been crap since last season. Jose subbed him in vs Southampton and Subbed him off after just 28 minutes. Hiddink benched the fella almost constantly for Mikel. Under Conte, he hasn't been impressive, well, at least not to me. Oscar brings running to the side. From a tactical POV, you need at least of of your midfield 3 to make dynamic runs off the ball to open passing lanes and create options. Matic cannot do that and Kante is the defensive lynchpin and thus needs to stay put. Oscar is a tactical necessity. Matic's role should be the guying spraying the ball about from deep. He is not doing so. That's why I'm wondering what he brings to the side. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:10pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Skimpledawg:
....You did not answer my question boss.
you are one fellow I learn alot from here, so asking u questions is actually an avenue to learn more.. If the role of the three midfielders of Conte plays are the same, no problem...you wana portray Oscar as a DM, no problemo Your question was answered in full in my original post. Let me repost it for your convenience. Nihilist: Oscar isn't the most creative player on the team, but he injects energy into the middle as he runs from box to box. Kante is the defensive lynchpin of the side. [size=18pt]What does Matic do? He creates fewer chances than the more defensive Kante. He makes fewer interceptions and tackles than the more attacking Oscar.[/size]
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:01pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
lalaboi: I really don't want to get into this argument but just want to point out that its convenient for you to bang on stats over a season that favours Mikhi and then refer to Hazard's Past glory, on his first bad season as the only viable stats available to you.
Is Mikhi That consistent? Sure he banged in 23 goals and 17 assists last season. The season before that? He score just 5 goals in all competition and in the same season Hazard scored 19, won the premier league and player of the year in England.
Over his 3 year spell in Dortmund, he scored 13, 5, 23 goals respectively each season. Hazard posted 13, 17, 19. . .a progression of improvement before burning out last season.
Just clearing the myth that Mikhi is a more consistent performer than hazard. He shone in his last season at Dortmund and also shone at his last season in Shakhtar which is 3 SEASONS apart but Mr Dopejemi wants us to believe the hype like they did with Kagawa.
There is really nothing to argue. They are both good footballers, They are both in the same league now, lets see come season end.
Shikena Uggghhh!!! Slay em with Facts bro. Dope oya take it. https://www.poyi.org/61/11/photos/01.jpg |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:57am On Aug 22, 2016 |
Skimpledawg: Boss, let it go. those niqqas won't buy it. Jose is one man u can't understand. since the Community shield win, he has been soft on Mata and we all know why.
Oga Nihilist, is Matic now a creative midfielder for him to bench Fabregas? Or are all 3 midfielders 'creative'? Herd mentality strikes again. Are you a 'mooo' or a 'meee'? Let us know quite early so that I can know whether to call you Mooses or Meesut. Did you even read what I wrote at all? 
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:30am On Aug 22, 2016 |
Herd mentality is a bad thing.
If we analyse the Chelsea midfield three objectively, the person who shouldn't be in the team is Matic.
Oscar isn't the most creative player on the team, but he injects energy into the middle as he runs from box to box. Kante is the defensive lynchpin of the side. What does Matic do? He creates fewer chances than the more defensive Kante. He makes fewer interceptions and tackles than the more attacking Oscar.
But nobody is questioning that, because visionless Oscar must somehow be blamed sha.Once we've found our scapegoat, we stick to it like glue.
Fab is being benched by Matic not Oscar. That's just a simple fact.
|
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 11:09am On Aug 22, 2016 |
Lool who calls it Ashburton Grove?  Are you sure you're not an analogue that kelechi clown that runs around north London with is red cap and igbotic accent? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 11:03am On Aug 22, 2016 |
Funlordjnr:

I don check am so no shaking! My own crux of the matter be say you been run bailly down wella!
You know say I don do court case tire for my life so I pick and choose my words carefully when I dey spit about soccer! From when smalling leave fulham join united I've followed his career! Since bailly joined united I've formed a habit of watching all his games against top level opposition (the full 90 mins) to determine what exactly made jose sign him!
The boy is young, talented, quick and seems ready to dab! Smalling is a good defender, I like him but I specifically mentioned BALL PLAYING DEFENDER in my post! With the ball at his feet bailly pass smalling abeg, I played ball during my youth service so I fit no be messi but at least I sabi wetin I dey yarn pass kagawawa10! Season long so we go still see as tings be but that video was meant to show you that e don tay wey bailly get ball sense pass smalling! He is a diamond in the rough so let him get polished!
I'm been shayo die yesterday that's why my reply dey land this early morning! BAILLY till 2017............. All I saw in that video was a noob saibot looking mofo making rash tackles that even seasoned NURTW thugs would applaud. I think he did one fake leg over and that's it. All the passes that he made didn't reach their target. You will see why the longer the season unfolds.christineC too.  |