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raumdeuter:
he has ordered the border closed

But other European countries sef are doing it even America. Wasnt one Dutch Journalist stabbed to death one time? even in Sweden sef

Imagine dem pack all those Somalis refugees when Hunger wan kill dem go Detroit now den don form gangs some are even going to join terrorists in Middle east and they are naturalised Americans

Back to football make dem just free my German boys

My Facebook don explode now. Everybody is wondering when London will be hit...it's only a matter of time now.

My wife gaan dey panic.

Crazy stuff

raumdeuter:
18 people dead,. they are not allowing anyone leave the stadium

Make my players and fans just safe

I no wan yarn politics, but all these multi cultural society the French Dutch and European are preaching get another part o

Them dey bring in Syrians right now Only God knows what they're setting themselves up for 10yrs down the line

It's a very French problem though cos Na them pack Arabs full the country.

Hollande was actually at the game when the gbege started.

Death toll is now at 40 and rising fast. Hollamde has now declared state of emergency across the whole country...

I'm hearing a bomb went off outside the Stadium in Paris during the game...

JayJay and Papillo for me.

Headmaster in third.

Oh Lava!!!

The club is now a Pure Gym. The VIP area is now the spin class.

And the stupidity of the Northampton night out continues. Another African Club (Academy) closed down 2 weeks ago.

coogar:
did he actually say that?

some people are pathetic sha.....reeling out fake info like it's going out of business.

You wan enter ring? No potshots from the gallery allowed

Shots fired. There have been shots fired...

Welcome to this Friday night live No-DQ bout between these two heavyweight brawlers...schedule moved forward by popular demand..

In the Red Corner, weighing 200 pounds, they call him Mr Acerbic, The Lord of Dry Wit and the master of withering putdowns, some call him captain f...erm let's move on ...it's the one and only Starboard!!!

And in the Blue Corner, the challenger m, weighing 210 pounds, the man simply known as 'The Handler'...Ollah1!!! Ollahu Akbar....

Don't bother keeping it clean lads. Keep it dirty and gory. Nothing is off limits. No DQ


Let's get it on like Marvin Gaye...

sephia:
Kanye is a joke. I read his performance was explicit filled and the crowd wasn't feeling him. His performance was rated as woeful. Since Glastonbury wanted a rapper to perform, a rapper like Nas who can rep hip hop would have been far better.
Like u rightly said though, he wouldn't appeal to the white crowd in the first instance.
Kanye has always been a weirdo. He's going to get worse.

Dunno about glastonbury sha, but at wireless he got the entire crowd jumping. He came out wearing one weird mask like that and all of Finsbury Park was on fire. Then he had to pull a dickmove like stopping the music and eulogising his mummy for 20 goddam minutes...

Ibime:
So Nas dey perform for Colchester these days?

Those days, Nas no dey like travel. Every artist would fly to UK for concert except Nas. It be like say him money done low.

30 pounds for VIP bruv
With meet and greet. Me sef no fit believe am

sephia:
Haha. Are you serious? Jacked his Rolex? That's the real definition of a street dude.
Nas needs to step up his game. Shouldn't be doing certain gigs at his level. He should have been d one performing at Glastonbury and not Kanye.

Nas? At Glastonbury?

I met some girls at his show who didn't even know who Nas was. He doesn't have the crossover appeal to command a stage at an all white festival like Glastonbury.

Kanye on the other hand is known all over the world, but he too is a fool. I was at Wireless last year, and he stopped mid-set to launch into some wack 20 minute diatribe about his mother...

I've never seen anything like that before in my life. Went from rapping 'Clique' to telling us how he missed his mummy...

sephia:
Lol. Still loyal to Esco

Escobar is a bastard. I went to see him in Colchester a few months back. I was charged up and spent the prior week listening to his discography. I paid for VIP with meet and greet.

The eediot showed up late, performed only 2 songs, left early, and I heard he jacked the promoter backstage and obtained his Rolex cos they didn't pay him complete money.

Naz is a thief.

Ibime:
All na badluck mostly after leaving Chelsea

By the time Sturridge started getting injured, accountants have already written off £100m sunk cost in Torres who the Technical Director frustrated Sturridge out for.

He deserve a drink. . . spiked with rat poison

Bwahahaha

coogar:
he was superb with suarez though. SAS took the league by the storm.

Of course he was. Even without Suarez.

But his body was not made for football. Most of his injuries are soft tissue injuries, his body is falling apart!

Same thing with Aguero, except that one quickly scores like 6 goals before his next injury spell arrives.

Just imagine Aguero's brain in Sanchez's body...

Ibime:
The same Sturridge that was challenging golden boot and scoring every game as soon as we sold him while some of una been dey defend Torres.

The same Sturridge that formed the most lethal strike partnership in EPL in the last 20 years. .


Na last 2 years injury give una mouth to talk.

Ride on. . .

2 years you say?

The last 2 injuries, transfermarkt just tire for the boy write am in German...

Mourinholic:
And Attacking minded midfielder that finds it difficult to defend should be played behind the CF not the pivot...That's why we have been praying a CM in January
And if he doesn't get it right behind the Striker,then off he goes......

So Mata wasn't getting it right behind the CF?

What exactly is your point?

coogar:
sturridge is the most selfish human being on the planet. christ, i would murder him if he's my strike partner. he's a beast on FIFA15 though.

_______

sephia, you still listen to nas?

You have to be a bit selfish and a bit of a dickhead to be a top striker in my opinion...but Sturridge takes the dickheadness to some next level.

However that's not my issue with him.

Sturridge is essentially a sentient mass of ectoplasmic tissue that managed to hold itself together long enough to convince Liverpool that it was a footballer worth giving a 5 year contract of 150k a week, before spectacularly falling apart after the deal was done...

And for that, I must thank whoever was responsible for ridding us of that ghost...

We dodged a bullet with Sturridge though.

If Emenalo was responsible for that, I will buy him a drink.

Mourinholic:
Well you said it yourself, Fabregas was the most dribbled player in our team but we still won the league...Thanks to Matic
Now that Matic is off form,we are 16th......Fabregas has been dropped and Ramires is now preferred to him
That says it all.....I can't keep Mata when m using Mikel and Ramirez especially when I have Hazard and Willian to do his job very well

I didn't even see this.

By your logic, Fabregas too should be sold on that basis..

An attacking minded midfielder finds it difficult to defend. Shock horror!

mithel:
I am not doing anyone any disservice,everyone knows i am a big fan of Azpi.

But i also know,the time for Azpi to return to RB was coming even before january last season,ivanovic was already falling in quality but his 7 goals in all comps saved his ass. Bertrand got ahead of Azpi in the team of the season.

Bertrand got in that team of the season by virtue of playing for a team that was widely considered to have overchieved. We played 1 attacking full back and 1 defensive full back last season.

Bertrand as an attacking fullback was not better than Ivanovic and posted only marginally better numbers than Azpi who was instructed to play defensively to cover Hazard.

Bertrand as a defensive fullback doesn't even come close to Azpi.

Both Azpi and Iva clearly shat on Bertrand last season, so who would he have benched?

So forget team of the season. Aguero was far and away the best striker in the division and didn't make it.

Even as bad as we've been this season...my guy look at the second graphic

Now if you are looking back in hindsight as saying well, Bertrand could have done a job now, you then need to ask yourself if you honestly thought that Bertrand could comeback and displace Filipe Luis

The fact that Bertrand achieved the team of the season last year has fed this growing myth that Bertrand was anything but an average full back at Chelsea. Shine your eye wella. Bertrand was never the saviour

sephia:
Ibime was even one of the supporters of Lukaku as at then...

I acknowledge this when I said "At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi thought Lukaku wasnt good enough."

You seem to have an axe to grind. .

With who? You? come off it. You are an esteemed member of this board and we have never quarreled before. WHy would I have an axe to grind with you?

My take on youth is clear enough. Integrate the youth into the senior squad as a gradual process. I have especially felt the need for that as a result of our present predicament where the full first team is under performing. Now, you can't go and buy players, it's only sensible that you give some of the more motivated youths some player time to see what impact it would make.

This is exactly what I dont agree with. If in doubt, go for a sure thing. We have too much at stake to start gambling on inexperienced youth to bail us out. Football is both physical and mental. You don't throw somebody in the deep end for the first time and expect him to be experienced enough mentally to know what to do.


Lemme just take the chill pill and...well..chill...

My own don dey too much.

Again I'm sorry if I came across as insulting. I never meant to.

Mourinholic:
Mata is that kinda player that scores or assists a goal and makes you concede 2........
Whatever we won during Mata's time here was because di Matteo used Lamps,Meireles,Mikel,Ramires just to cover up for Mata.....
After signing Hazard and Oscar,with a midfield of Rami and Mikel and there was no one to cover for the weak Mata we won 1 out of 7 trophies that year..just 1

KDB is the regret,Mata for 39m? Jackpot

Story...yet Mourinho quickly went to look for Fabregas who is a defensive liability to provide creativity in the midfield?

In case you forgot, Fabregas was the most dribbled past player in our team last season. And thank God you can see how much he was being covered for this season.

sephia:
This is the only part i care to reply since i find it a little insulting.

I don't seem to have a mind of my own? Lol. Since you're digging for old post, you might as well dig further. Many of the fans here disagreed with the sale of Lukaku then. In hindsight, i realize Lukaku would have been better off than Eto, Remi and Falcao. I'm sure i have a right to hindsight.
I'm clamoring for a change in manager while almost everyone want's the manager to remain and yet you say i'm following the bandwagon? Nihilist go and drink a beer.

I am sorry if you feel insulted. That was never the intention at all.

However what I said was based on my perception of you. I did not go digging for old posts as you say. I remembered them.
At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi though Lukaku wasnt good enough. I remember arguing with Nateevs(Oh the delicious irony ) who claimed that Lukaku was not good enough to lead the line for us because the way teams set up against Everton was not the same way they do against Chelsea.

Back then 'Youth Out' was a popular sentiment and you were a visible proponent. This year 'Youth in' is In, and you are once again a visible proponent.

You mention hindsight...hindsight vision is always 20/20. The clearest you can get. Please tell if you would look back favourably in hindsight on a manager that persisted with Bertrand as 1st choice LB, McEchran and Romeu as 1st choice centre mids, and 'that' KDB in attacking midfield....

Mourinholic:
Mata,Schrulle and Lukaku are very good sales..Lukaku was very impatient, If he had stayed he would have played more minutes than Diego even though he would be Second choice......

Lukaku had every right under the sun to be impatient.

This was my take on it last year....

Nihilist:
Daftness...Daftness everywhere...



Last season Lukaku scored against Liverpool, Arsenal and Mancity.
The only club in the Top 4 last season that didnt chop it was the one Lukaku was ineligible to face.
How is Torres better in this regard? Daft statement Number 1



Did Lukaku get the chance to play in the big games? He's been farmed out on loan twice in a row so what is the basis of your assertion that 'Lukaku cannot be trusted with big games'? Daft statement Number 2


Strikers are attackers. That is their job. Why on earth should a striker be DEFENDING?
Daft statement Number 3


Daft statement Number 4

Costa was fantastic last season, but has only ever scored more than ten in a league season on one occasion- Lukaku has done so four times. Costa's shot accuracy in the league (57%) was also lower than Lukaku's(67%) last season.

Lukaku won 38% of his aerial duels (compared to Costa's 21%) and was dispossessed only 1.7 times per game in the Premier League compared to Costa's 3.6


Daftness....daftness everywhere...

Guess what happened?

Last season Costa 22 goals all competitions

Lukaku 20.

sephia:
That a manager doesn't like a player doesn't make a player 'not good enough'. Bias and sentiments is part of the current problem with Chelsea. We have a manager who has thrown out decent players because of his personal reasons instead of looking out for the overall well being of the club.
We lost Schurrle, Debruyne, Mata, Bertrand, Lukaku and a host of others for no tangible reason. I can imagine if we had these players today, surely we wouldn't be this far down. If Emenalo should go, he should go along with Mourhino.

Over the years, it has become very obvious that you don't seem to have a mind of your own, and just tend to follow and regurgitate popular opinion.

Now you say we've lost Betrand and Lukaku for 'no tangible reason'

2 years ago, this is what you were saying on Lukaku

sephia:
Mou has a point. Playing for Everton is not the same as playing for Chelsea. Lukaku will still not flourish in Chelsea system.

Coogar has a point, the Chelsea system is not exactly built for strikers to flourish except for an extraordinary striker like Drog.

That is no excuse for Torres flopping though. Torres is lazy and lacks ambition and is only just becoming decent this season. Personally i have no qualms with Lukaku leaving. Having him here doesn't mean he will bang in the goals.

And

sephia:
I dunno, was having issues with logging in.

Thankfully the FA will not charge Hazard for the ball boy incidence. Time to reclaim the spot as the Marin, Bertrand experiment isn't working.

Out of all that lot, the only mistakes were selling Lukaku and arguably Mata.

Saying the others should not have been let go is just pure revisionism.

During the same period boys on these very thread were claiming that KDB was wasted at 10 because he was a better winger. In fact some people said Schurlle was better than De Bruyne. That was another argument because nobody could even tell where his best position was.


Where is that Schurlle today now sef?

KDB had to go and develop at a place where he would get unlimited game time under limited pressure before he became the player he is today.

And this is what I've been saying over and over again. Chelsea is not the kind of club where you learn your craft. It is the kind of club where you perfect your craft.

The pressures of competing for the league title and in Europe means that nobody got time to baby you as a youngster.

I'm done with this discussion sef. It's not like I get paid to defend our youth policy.

@Mithel,I think you are doing Azpi a great disservice by comparing him to Betrand.

Bertrand and Azpi are around the same age. Azpi cost only 7 million pounds. He was not a big money purchase 'that must play'. He is a naturally a right back.

If you look at the scenario objectively and without bias, it is immediately obvious that there was an opportunity for Betrand to claim that LB slot if he was good enough.

The manager did not 'opt to play a right back' in Bertrand's position as you put it...the manager opted to play the 'better player' at left back.

Filipe Luis was signed for twice the amount that Azpi was signed for on the back of winning la liga and getting to the UCL finals. He also could not pass Azpi bus stop. He too was benched by a right back in the left back position.

If your call for 'youth integration' is simply to provide permanent bench fodder, then OYO lo wa.

Calling Betrand as an example of a youth that got away is just laughable. If Bertrand saw Azpi strolling through the streets of Southampton today, he will quickly look for a bench to sit down on. That is standard.

nateevs:
Perhaps I should put it this way, it doesn't matter who it is. It doesn't have to be Bamford. It could be Ogedengbe for all I care. It's the same principle.

And sorry Nihilist, the likes of Lukaku and Zouma don't fall under this category. I mean I don't really care how many seasons Zouma has played in some league somewhere, he was bought for phocking £12m. To put things in perspective, that's more expensive than each of Cahill and Ivanovic cost, even when you factor in inflation over the years. So no mate, if he was not going straight into the team, someone needs to be fired.

The same applies to Lukaku. Someone will need to be buried alive if Lukaku cost Chelsea up to £17m (including add-ons) and wasn't walking into the team or at the very least, knocking on the door. Again, to put things in perspective, that's more expensive than it cost to get Anelka, more expensive than Malouda, more expensive than Robben and only £5m cheaper than what it cost to get Juan Mata. I am really sorry to disappoint but this is nothing near youth integration.

We don't have the right youth? It will be interesting to know who does.

But Lukaku and Zouma are perfect examples of the kind of youth we need!

Each of them had been playing full seasons at the top leagues of their countries year in, year out since they were 16. They were able to gain the necessary experience to be considered genuine prospects for the Chelsea first team. Those are the kind of youths that we can commit to training and integrating because they are already at advanced stages in their football education.

Lukaku had played over 200 senior professional matches before he turned 21. Zouma had played 73 senior games for St Etienne by the time he was 19.

There is simply NO WAY any of our academy products will get these kind of game time and exposure unless they are prodigies.10 minutes here and 20 minutes there wont give you the develpment time you need to break into the first team.That's why they have to be tested on loan at a high level.

If Bamford at 22 is still looking for piecemeal minutes for 'youth integration', when Lukaku was already playing first team football for Belgium national team at 17, and was Westbrom's best player at 19, and Everton's best player by 20...then logic tells us that Bamford is not the type of youth we're looking for.

At least Ake and Christensen have wormed their ways into the first teams of Watford and Gladbach. If they perform well there and again on subsequent loans, then they at least have a case.

You can't just go from academy to the first team at Chelsea or any other big club unless you're a prodigy. If your talent is not immediatly obvious, theres far too much at stake for the manager to spend time trying to uncover it

nateevs:
I expected you to disagree with me regarding Traore and Bamford

On the topic of Midfield. . . I don't know if you have noticed, when it comes to midfield, I have never asked for a youth player to take the lead role. Instead I have consistently called for a measured and cautious approach to integration. And that's because I recognise that in midfield, mistakes will easily be punished. This is why I (and not unconciously) have the boys down the pecking order.

Where my suggestions may resemble asking for youth taking the lead role in midfield, is when it comes to the topic of Ramires and Mikel. And my personal opinion of these two is that they offer no form of strenghtening and are infact, as at today, stumbling blocks in the development of possibly (who knows?) future great players.

The other part, is in instance where we have a dead rubber game in the CL (last season to be exact) and JM goes on and plays a full strength team. This is when you hear me screaming again.

So I am not mad. I wouldn't ask not to buy Koke and play Pasalic instead. What I would not have is attempting to play Ramires as No 10 (when Koke is injured) instead of Pasalic.


And the same applies in attack. I won't have Falcao in the team trying to revive his career and eraning £5m while at it when I could play Traore/Bamford instead. So as with midfield, I would not say no to Lewandowski, Diego, Remy, Bamford attack in that order; what I wouldn't have is Falcao featuring on that list, blocking the chances of a possible Crespo2015 in Bamford, earning £5m while at it and then phocking off into the distance after it all.

So I believe that my thoughts about youth integration are quite logical and not playing youth for the sake of it.

Again very logical rebuttal, with just one comma...Is Bamford the Crespo of 2015?

It's one thing to angry at Falco if he was blocking the obvious tested and certified talent of Lukaku who had gone out on loan in the EPL and impressed.

Its another thing to be angry at Falcao blocking the chance of an untested entity who we want to be good, but lack evidence to justify our continued goodwill.

Quite simply, for us to to start dubbing or even insinuating that Bamford is Crespo reborn, he should have done some very Crespo-like things at EPL Level...which unfortunately for him, he hasn't.

And therein lies the premise of my argument. Zouma's shot at the first team was justifiable by his completion of 3 full seasons in ligue 1 before he turned 20. Hazard was 21 when he joined our starting 11....His inclusion in the first team was justifiable.
Bamford is older than those two were when they entered our first team. He cannot start at Palace. Should we be trying to give him piecemeal minutes and hope for the best, when its so obvious what kind of youngsters we need?

It'ss not about youth integration. It's about the right youth integration sir Nateevs. And that's all I keep saying...we don't have the right youth!

I'll stop now before this gets tooo boring for everyone else