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patrickmuf:
He should be consistent, you can't blame Ole and at the same time blame the Glazers...If the Glazers have not signed players good enough to win the league, why blame Ole when he fails to win the leahue?

That’s my issue with him. There is no reason to sack Ole now, if the team is shi1t.

KingAlabi:
Na your follow oleouter na

Enjoy!!

This one is a confused oleouter o....

Illimitable:
You checkmate yourself.

Jose has proven this squad can at least win a trophy or two even if they aren’t the biggest trophies.

Van Gaal won a trophy with a shittier squad under the same owners.

If Ole isn’t winning anything under the same owners with a better squad, it simply means Ole is a failure.

Logic 101.

Nawa o, But you said we don’t have the players now, because the Glazers have not spent. Wait, how come we moved from a shittier team to a shitty team, and then a relatively okay team? Even though we have not spent.

You are trying o!

Illimitable:
Perhaps it’s also the reason those two clubs are the only clubs that have won the league title twice between 2013 and 2020.

Thanks for making my point.



Bayern literally bully the other teams in their league. While their players may not cost an arm or a leg, Bayern took the best goalie in the league(Schalke), best defender in the league from Dortmund(Hummels), best striker in the league from Dortmund(Lewandowski).

The equivalent of that in the Premier League would have been stealing Kane, Aguero, Hazard, Van Dijk, De Bruyne, etc in the last 7 years from United’s rivals instead of buying Daniel James, Wan Bissaka, Maguire and the other bums The Glazers are pretending are world class players.

Real Madrid and Barcelona break the transfer record every other year, your assertion is laughable. Barca paid £75m(Suarez), £140m(Neymar), £120m(Coutinho), £105m(Dembele). United’s highest transfer is £89m on Pogba despite having similar revenue with Barcelona.





You do yourself a disservice when you lie unashamedly that Aguero became world class under Pep. Aguero was destroying teams under Mancini.

De Bruyne was the best player in Bundesliga when Man City signed him. Maybe you don’t watch a lot of football outside the Premier League to call De Bruyne(Bundesliga player of the year 2014/15) a Chelsea reject.

When City signed him for £50m in 2015 to add to their midfield that already had Nasri, Fernando, Fernandinho, David Silva and Yaya Toure, United were signing bargain basement bums like Schneiderlin from Southampton.



I only counted the players with transfer fees signed under both managers.





Why are you starting the count from 2013? What about players like Tevez, Kompany, David Silva, Yaya Toure, Aguero, Dzeko, Adebayor, Balotelli, Nasri, etc? We should just blow those ones away because adding them doesn’t fit your false narrative?

Why not calculate how much the Glazers have spent since 2005 till date and how much City’s owners have a spent since 2008 and divide per year? That would be a clearer analysis of which owners are more ambitious.



This is comical.

You came up with fraudulent stats to back up a wrong assertion and you call it facts. The Glazers have taken more than £2 billion from the club without putting their own money back into the club.

They have taken out £900m in the last 10 years - imagine if that £900m went into buying players instead of servicing a debt United fans never asked for. How people like you continue to support parasites like the Glazers is one of the reasons the club is stuck in a quicksand.

The Glazers know they can count on fans like you while they continue to bleed the club to death with zero glory to add to it. United’s peers in Europe dominate their respective leagues.

Bayern/Barca dominate Spain.
Bayern Munich dominate Germany
Juventus dominate Italy

Man Utd(a club with similar revenue) haven’t won the league in 8 years and you continue to lie the Glazers have
spent money.

Are you high on crack?

Lol, you want the Glazers to have spent additional 900m on top over 1 billion spent in the last 7-8 years on players? Why are you like this now? do you think that money grows on trees? Also, you said that they did not put money in the club, what about the debt they used to buy the club and the one for operating activities. Wait sef, you think people buy clubs so they can put money in it so fans can be happy, while they the owners will have negative returns? Geez!

Many clubs are in huge debts because of transfers not even up to 30 percent of total revenues. Check Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea and even Juventus. These clubs have more debt than Utd and they don’t even spend.

Real Madrid have spent just 19 percent of total revenues in the last 8 years on transfers, this is significantly lower than Utd’s spend (relatively).

There is no relationship here between not winning the league in 8 years and not spending, because we have spent more than enough.

Meanwhile, Chelsea, Liverpool and LCFC have won the league in the last 10 years, have they spent more than man utd in the same time?

Answer all my questions o!

Illimitable:
When Guardiola spent foolishly on Nolito, Claudio Bravo, Danilo, etc, he got rid of them as soon as they realized they didn’t fit in.

Chelsea didn’t stop spending big on players because Shevchenko or Bakayoko didn’t work.

Real Madrid never stopped spending because Kaka or James Rodriguez didn’t work.

Manchester United is the only club in the world where the fans want big spending to stop because certain players didn’t work.

Lol, but you included them in your '38 players', right? Anyway, nobody is saying that big spending should stop, what we are saying is you should stop saying that the Gazers are not spending to win.

Let's check something. You started by saying that they don't want to win the EPL because the monetary benefits are not significantly different (vs a top 4 finish), that's a very interesting way of thinking sha, but I will leave it at that. Then someone told you that these same guys already spent over 1 billion since Fergie left, and then you came back to say that, yes they've actually spent, but they must outspend City to win the EPL. Question is, did Chelsea, Liverpool and LCFC outspend City before winning the EPL?

You need to gather your thoughts and present them clearly.

Illimitable:
I hope you know there’s a difference between spending on players & spending on players to win the league.

It’s a myth that the Glazers have spent money. What percentage of United’s revenue go into buying players? You would find out it’s the smallest in the top 6 by a considerable distance.

Haaaa, so you want to tell us that Arsenal, Tottenham, and Liverpool's transfer spending as a percentage of revenues exceeded Utd's 26% between 2013 and 2020? Only City and Chelsea had higher spending, and the margins are very low. City - 30%, Chelsea - 29%.

United’s peers in Europe are Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich but I doubt any of United’s players get an automatic start in any of those clubs. That should be your first indicator that United don’t spend as much as their status dictates.

This assertion does not make sense. It is the function of the manager and the system. Players in Bayern don't cost arms and legs but they play very well under their managers. Same with Real Madrid and Barcelona. In fact Pique, a fringe player left Utd to become a 'world-class' defender at Barca. There are no two ways about this, the managers of other clubs made their players become very good in our eyes. Today, most of our players will do well in other teams.

When Pep & Jose arrived in the summer of 2016, the only world class player in United was David De Gea. City had De Bruyne, Aguero, Fernandinho, Kompany and Sterling.

Lol, most of the so-called world-class players were average players in the respective former clubs. KDB was a Chelsea reject, Aguero was from a mid-table club, Sterling the headless Chicken? Kompany? Fernandinho from Shaktar? You don't know what you are saying. Pep made these guys world-class players. He will go buy average players and turn them to world class. Stop peddling lies.

Pep has gone on to add another 36 players to that list with a total outlay of £832m. Manchester United under Jose and Ole combined added only 19 players that cost less than £700m.

36 players from where now? Geez, are you including U15 and U18 signings? then Man Utd has signed close to 40 players. If we mention key players, Utd and City have signed about 31 and 35 players respectively since 2013/14 season till last summer.

Yes, the Glazers have spent money but if they cannot outspend Man City who actually have a better structure and manager, there’s no chance we will ever see a Premier League victory under the Glazers.

The other option is to do it the Liverpool way - give an elite manager about 5 years to build a squad. The only problem with this option is Manchester United’s status. They are too big to give any manager more than 3 years to build a squad without a trophy. The fans will not sit through it.

Liverpool were able to do this because they had waited 30 years without a league title - the fans expectation was very low. And even if United fans become patient, United’s manager is not elite at all to see out the project.

I agree with you on this. As for me, I believe in the 'sack and hire' system for trophies. We have the structure as a club, we just need managers that can give us quick wins on the back of an existing structure.

In conclusion, United are in big trouble unless they outrightly outspend their rivals or sack Ole.

In conclusion, City spent 1.1 billion Euros and Man Utd spent 1.04 billion Euros between 2013 and 2020. Tell me how you came to the conclusion that the Glazers have not spent enough to win the league. They have, and they will continue to. One thing that I believe they need is the ability to move quickly (re: sacking and hiring managers). Football management and admin are dynamic, the earlier they realize that the better for the club. All top teams in Europe are successful because they are quick to bring on other managers. Fergie and Wenger's days are gone, it is what it is!

Meanwhile, when you come up with assertions, make sure you have verifiable facts to back them up. You cannot just come here and be dropping numbers and analysis without thinking through them.

TrebleChamp:
I want to disagree with this notion chief, the glaziers have spent over £1bn on transfers since Sir Alex Ferguson left. Of all the managers we've had post Fergie, only David Moyes wasn't really backed in the transfer window. The Glaziers are parasite no doubt, but they have spend huge money on transfers in the last 7+ years. Its not their fault that Ole and Woodward valued Maguire for £80m or Bissaka for £50m, its not the glaziers fault that United have done some really shitty transfer bizness over the years. The Glaziers have spent and will keep spending, its down to the Manager(s) to deliver the title with players bought at their request....

Lol, you have energy.

JayKayMaybachz:
Not only are United the top scorers in the Premier League, they are the top scorers from open play. This category excludes counter attacks and penalties. It is time for the false narrative that United depend on these two routes to goal to die.

I like this. You went for it after yesterday’s game. Before nko? Nice one jare!

Oasis007:


Burnley? Oga no dey expect impossibility.

Haha, anything can happen in football. Sheffield got 3 points from utd few days ago.

I hope Burnley surprises us today. City must drop points abeg!

eph12:
Lana1 is definitely looking forward to this match. Fingers crossed

Why you like wahala like this?

Doranzy:
Are you satisfied

Yes, 9:0 is very good. GD don increase wella.

Bruno no just dey today

Omo see goal!

2 more!

Omo, this second half get as e be o, we should be up by 6 now

Bruno, food don nearly land sha, e don tey

BARAJ92:

Lol, because we are playing against 10 men........?

Hehe, we are going higher yes higher........

nitrogen:
Let's do 6:0 abeg, we've conceded too many goals.

Abeg, 7:0 or 8:0 makes more sense.

Let's do 6:0 abeg, we've conceded too many goals.

AWB!!!

See bench!

BTW, these guys will defend deep very soon, hopefully, we score before then, otherwise, na safe journey o.

We are winning this!

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Una funny for here sha

Ole must be one strong Ogboni guy. The kind facts wey Una use dey defend this guy no make sense, and Una go still dey hold on to the fact

Mou won 3 trophies, yet it's common

The same Europa you dey berate, na wetin Ole dey struggle to win.

Hahahahahahaha.

This thread na bunch of comedians full am, especially that KingAlabi [/color]

I don tire for here, very funny guys.

larride:
Van Gaal finished the season with 66pts while winning the FA cup. He was sacked the next day.

Sir Ole finished the season with 66pts while bottling 3 semi finals. He’s improving the squad.

Olesexuals!

larride:
That’s how we were talking about tactics one time like that and some people were praising Biesla as a good tactician, that’s how one Olesexual began dropping alert here whenever Leeds fail to win as if both Leeds and Man Utd have the same quality players.

Not forgetting that when Sir Ole the Great Magician took over a team like Leeds (who just came from relegation) Sir Ole the Great relegated them back in their first season to the championship and was already flirting with relegation to the League One before Cardiff sent the Magician back to Norway.


All hail Sir Ole the Great Magician.

I am going to quote most of your posts today! Well done!

larride:
Leyqute legit said “Ole has done more than Mou for us in the UCL”

The only time Ole has played UCL knockout stage in his managerial career was the team Mou qualified from the group stage.

Someone has mixed weed with Leyqute drink

He said same thing last week, I was so angry ehn.

larride:
You see when setting agenda, there are always trap you set to make agenda more sweet.

Now, anyone who watched and followed our games in 2016/2017 will know we started prioritizing the Europa league ahead of finishing in top 4 like 3-4 games to the end of the season. The winner of the Europa league gets automatic qualification into the UCL the following season.

You win what’s in front of you, Mou met us at the Europa league and won it for us.

Magician Ole has took us to Europa league twice now and has had chances to win the “easy” cups which he has bottled back to back now.

How has Ole done more for us in the UCL than Mou? Just how? Mou never failed to qualify us for the UCL and never failed to progress from the group. Can the same be said of Sir Ole the Great?

Sevilla demolish us at OT when the score line was 2-1 and 2-1 on aggregate after 2 legs but the one Sir Ole the Great lost was because “our players” were missing chances. As if these same players were not missing chances during Mou time.

This is the hypocrisy of Olesexual and I am here to call you all out.

Washere, pepper dem oooooo

CapitalCee:
Lol. So na Covid-19 De worry me since Weekend. Result came positive yesterday. I am almost recovered now sha. To isolate for 10 days.

Sorry man, get well soon.

larride:
Back to agenda jare.

Mou first season, we were in the Europa league, he won it

Ole first season, we were in the Europa league, bottled semi final.

Mou second season, champions league football, we top our group.

Ole second season, we crash out from the group stage.


One met the club at 66pts, took the team to 69ts then to 82pts while winning 2 trophies and a shield.

One took the club from 66pts to 66pts while bottling 4 semi final (not even final ooo) in the process but but but he’s improving the team.

E shock me o!

KingAlabi:
You sure say I no go climb fence back like this

Lazy boy!

These ones just dey disguise....