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obynzo:
Do you know you talk like a child the person you are hailing is simply feeling uncomfortable because most of us that know history are challenging him. First he claimed zik scattered NYM and i asked him how is it possible when he joined NYM in 1938 much later and then he next talked about non secession clause and i called him out on his lies and he had no answer. now i have asked him to state what was Zik's post in Biafra because he stated that Zik was involved in Biafra. He is trying to cleverly dodge the question.
why do you lots gain by vilifying igbos when that coup even had Yorubas there as planners Ademoyega and Fola Oyewole

The guys weaves lies and truth like magic. Catch him on one he moves to the next. I have counted about 15 lies on this thread

Na lie

Deadlytruth:
And did I stop you or anyone else from faulting that wikipedia claim with logic?

chai

Deadlytruth:
On your quick reference of Adegboyega's book: Every educated person knows that no author writes a book to indict himself especially if the topic has to do with a misadventure that ended up in chaos and bloodshed, so you don't expect Adegboyega or any other author of any book on this matter narrated a 100% honest story.
As in intellectual therefore, you read and apply your logical faculty to filter the lies away from the truth. That exactly is what we are doing here. So stop quoting Adegboyega as if his account was written from heaven.

this is pathetic psuedo-intellectual stuff. Ademoyega's account has been upheld by historians as one of the most authoritative accounts of the war but you with your 2MB data plan and NL account have appointed yourself as judge of history.

Oya let me help you. Being another source contrary to Ademoyega. I dey wait

Deadlytruth:
You speak as if it was only Benin that Biafran soldiers diverted to. Didn't some detachments also divert to Warri, Auchi, Okene, Agenebode, etc? And Ojukwu who, according to you, only instructed them to go to Lagos and overthrow Gowon could not met any single disciplinary action on the commanders of those troops that so detached to all these towns from the Lagos bound battalion? You people just love clinging to straws during these debates.

He say na clinging to straws You are describing yourself. I have cited Ademoyega as a source but you are quoting beer parlour gist with no source. You claimed that Ejoor was "dislodged" Who told you this?

Deadlytruth:
Unfortunately for you I am not a Yoruba person. The soldiers in question started being deployed to the west in trickles beginning from 1962 when the Akintola vs Awolowo rift started and Zik was still in cahoots with Balewa at the center fueling the whole fire from behind the scenes in his calculation to have AG decapitated and clear the coast for the realization of his long nurtured objective of NCNC taking over the reign of power in the West officially. It was much later that Zik fell out with Balewa when all hopes of having a formidable Southern alliance had been lost.

Awolowo's telling Ojukwu of Western occupation by Northern soldiers was actually one of the backgrounds to the agreement he had with Ojukwu on how to go about the joint secession which Ojukwu later failed to keep his own side while Awolowo was, as agreed, demanding of Gowon to order those soldiers out of the West.

The way you spin lies and truth together is wonderful. Where did you get this lie that there was a deployment because of Zik

The Western region was in a state of civil war due to operation wetie and the thousands of people that had been roasted alive in the Awo vs Akintola fight prompted the state of emergency by Balewa and the deployment of northern soldiers to stop the carnage. Is it Zik that started the war in the West? Zik was even a figure-head and had no real power. Why all this propaganda and fake gist?

Deadlytruth:
Banjo was not supposed to invade Benin but when he invaded it and captured Osadebey House, Biafran soldiers dislodged David Ejoor and tried to capture him alive yet Ojukwu didn't investigate that but even gave approval for Ejoors replacement in the person of Okonkwo? When I call you a comedian you would accuse me of insulting you.

This is not true. What is the source of your information. Ojukwu had no plans to appoint any administrator and nobody dislodged Ejoor oh

On the contrary Banjo instead of continuing to Lagos , wasted valuable hours in Benin trying to convince Ejoor to remain in charge. Ejoor ran away to Lagos so Banjo chose Lt. Col Trimnell (an Itsekiri). When that too did not work, Okonkwo was appointed. This information is from Ademoyega's book.

kayusely70:
It Was February 13, 1976.

Na true. Thanks boss

Deadlytruth:
And those Northern soldiers were drafted there earlier on by the Azikiwe-Balewa coalition Government to wallop the AG.
Nevertheless, did Awolowo whom Ojukwu was consulting about the West's participation in the War ever demand Biafran soldiers' assistance in flushing out those Northern soldiers from the West? Recall that Awolowo was already demanding of Gowon that all soldiers be ordered to return to their home regions?

I thank God a Yoruba person has finally agreed that there was a plan by the north to wallop the west. However Zik was not involved because the alliance between the NCNC had already crashed and there was already the alliance between the north and Akintola.

When did Awo ask for northern troops to leave yoruba land? I am not aware of this. Awo was known to have told Ojukwu that the West was under occupation by northern soldiers and as such could not join the East to fight.

BluntTheApostle:
OK, you have a very strong argument.

Thanks for the objectivity sir. I appreciate it

ibietela2:
Here, switch account

This book and "Reluctant Rebel" by Captain Fola Oyewole totally buried the "Igbo coup" fairytale

Deadlytruth:
And when did the West or the Midwest tell you they were in captivity and needed extrication? In one line you claim Biafra's westward push was only to dislodge Gowon so as to weaken the FG in order that Biafra might more easily win their freedom. In another line you argue that Biafra wanted to liberate the West from Northern stranglehold. Which do we believe now? You are just inconsistent hence it is clear you are the one twisting history to suit your subjective narratives.

The West was under occupation by northern soldiers. To the extent that a General (Ogundipe) of Yoruba extraction was disobeyed and told to get lost by a Fulani lance corporal. How is this even up for debate. Ademoyega and others have stated this fact in their books

BluntTheApostle:
Investigative committee?

There was bad blood already, especially in the North.

The coup plotters were known. It was not a case of alleged coup plot, but an actual coup with the major plotters already known.

There was no need for investigative committees.

Moving the plotters to Lagos was not a bad thing since Lagos was a part of the crime jurisdiction. But moving them to the East had no basis, and could only draw suspicion.

Ironsi handled the matter poorly.

Moreover, it was believed (and confirmed by a serving lawmaker at that time) that Ironsi forced the Senate to relinquish power to him.

So you think Ironsi should have just ordered them all executed without investigation or trial just to appeal to frayed nerves? The aim of the investigation was to unearth how deep the conspiracy went in the armed forces and civilian circles. If it was really an "Igbo coup" wouldn't it have been good to know those behind the plot. Are you aware that Hassan Katsina who was part of the Fulani coup that removed Ironsi, was also part of the Nzeogwu coup? You think he would have liked the report to come out?

Besides are you aware that the coup was celebrated at first all over the country? It was the British that incited the northerners into believing the ethnic angle. Ironsi as a leader was not wrong to first investigate and he put the northern officers in charge. What more do we expect the man to have done?

BluntTheApostle:
Ironsi handled the matter poorly.

If he had tried the coup plotters, and showed some empathy toward regions that lost prominent politicians, the bad blood wouldn't have arisen.

According to a portion of Chimamanda Adichie's Half of a Yellow Sun, Igbos in Kano even had the audacity to mock the slain Ahmadu Bello who was loved in the North.

The fact is that Ironsi was in power for just a few months. immediately he took office he appointed an investigative committee from the then Special Branch (now CID) to investigate the coup. It was headed by M.D. Yusuf and supervised directly by Gowon. For reasons we can only guess, the investigative report never got to Ironsi until the same Gowon and co overthrew Ironsi and buried the report.

These kind of facts are never popular

ibietela2:
Permission to copy

Fire on sir

A coup planned by Igbos, Yorubas and northerners happened on January 15, 1966 and children of satan called it an "Igbo coup"

A coup planned by people from Gowon's tribe (Angas) happened on February 13 1976, the same children of satan called it "Dimka coup"

God punish satan and his family

owobokiri:
Somebody help me; Why is Dimkas coup not defined by Dimkas ethnicity? I mean it was stated clearly that the main reason that led Dimka to unleash that coup was to get rid of core northerners that upstaged Gowon, a fellow middle belter! This led to the killings of Murtala Mohammed and Ibrahim Taiwo, including the attempted elimination of officers that helped Murtalas ascedence to power, most of them northerners! Gowons name was so glaringly written all over the coup that the federal government sought for his repatriation to Nigeria for trial.

He will later be left in the UK to rot while Ojukwu whom he fought against during the war, was pardoned to come back to Nigeria! My questions are; who and who here even know Dimkas ethnic group? Why was the ethnic/regional/sectional motivations behind Dimkas military interjection always downplayed by the media, the government and even the military while Nzeogwus military uprising is conveniently used as an excuse to propel an unending devilish policy of containment against the good people of the former eastern Nigeria!?

I wish I could like this twice.

johntolu:
No Igbo man dead or alive, will ever admit that their actions on January 15th, 1966, was an open declaration of war against other Nigerians.

Hypocrisy will never let yorubas admit that Gowon abolished regions and took away resource control. The ports in Yoruba land generate billions a month but you don't get a penny of it. Now Buhari's waterways law means that every river and even lagoon in the south west is controlled by the north.

Gowon made Lagos the capital, employed Awo as his minister and gave some yorubas the opportunity to get rich through the indigenisation policy and tied your mouths permanently. Your fathers didn't know they were mortgaging your future. Blame Ironsi for that too

obynzo:
That lie has been allowed to stand for years. the truth was the condition the british gave for independence was that Nigeria's colonial borders must remain intact and that it would not be altered by any region whatsoever. Hence Zik and Awo were arm twisted to accommodate the north and the British had designed the 1959 elections to prevent a hung parliament even though NPC had majority seats the couldn't form a government and the british in preventing an NCNC/AG coalition blocked out AG and facilitated a coalition between the parties that had high votes NCNC/NPC.

You need to take a non biased approach toward analysing Nigeria's history to really understand how the British rigged everything and put us where we are. it was not the igbos it was the british that was why in the 64 elections NCNC and AG entered an alliance which made NPC use akintola's faction UPGA to instigate crisis in the western region and that led to the coup.

They were comfortable with the lies they have been spoon-fed but the internet has wiped out their propaganda and spoiled their party

johntolu:
I am sure if you could be honest with yourself, you will realize that your write up, is absolute piece of shit.
Your kinsmen carried out a coup that eliminated all senior military and political leaders of other ethnic groups and spared everyone in your ethnic group. The next step you took after taking grabbing power, after the coup, was to give protection to your kinsmen that assassinated all the victims of the coup and thereafter, you set up an investigative committee to find out why the coup was carried out by your 'blothers'.

I am happy you mentioned in your 'piece of crap', that Nigeria is a very deep and wicked country', which in the estimation of most Nigerians, is what the Yeebos did to other Nigerians on January 15th, 1966.

My kinsmen like Ademoyega and Fola Oyewole

Nothing you have rambled about here makes. I didn't read beyond the first few lines. Ironsi appointed northerners to investigate the coup but they were too ashamed to release the report. Keep consoling yourself. They overthrew Ironsi took away resource control and seized your waterways and ports until tomorrow Keep blaming dead men for your woes. If you like don't go ask Gowon for the truth while he's still alive

OP- Nigerians are allowed to own guns but they must get a license from the IGP. Just that automatic weapons and some other categories are not allowed

Deadlytruth:
If you insist that a military administration is unitarian by nature then you have to explain how come Ironsi was able to run a federal military government for up to four months before he decided to convert to a unitary one? Why didn't he just convert to a unitary Government immediately he snatched power on the 17th of January?
If a military administration is unitarian by nature then why castigate Gowon for allegedly creating states and killing resource control? Why also blame and accuse all the other military administrations like those of Murtala Mohammed, Obasanjo, Buhari, IBB, etc of further entrenching unitarianism? If Ironsi's centrifugal policies could be excused on the grounds of military administrations being naturally unitarian, why then should same defense line not be extended to all his successor military regimes' further entrenchment of unitarian decrees? Is what is good for the goose not also good for the gander?

Meanwhile Ojukwu's proposals at Aburi were all about an extremely Confederate structure to be overseen by the military. So if your argument that military governments should be naturally unitarian is anything to go by, then don't you think Gowon was therefore right to have reneged on Aburi Accord.

I dont accept that he seized power. It should be to Ironsi's credit that he didn't immediately unify the civil service. He first went on tours round the country trying to unite the country and to tell
everybody his plans. The only people that opposed it were the northern elders.

After all the chaos in the country. From crisis in the Western region with operation wetie and the thousands of people burnt to death, the Awolowo affair, the Tiv riots, the January 15 coup by junior officers etc He just made the best decision he could think of at the time. But Gowon had no business dismantling the regional structures and abolishing resource control. In terms of raw and ready revenue the South West and South South were the ultimate victims. Yet they (especially South West) can never agree that Gowon finished them

bayo2018:
Good day House
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3 bedroom
Laundry
Study room
With nice interior inclusive.
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If you diligently supervise the use of your building materials and you don't need to do German floor it can be done for N7m

johntolu:
Why was it so difficult for Ironsi, to hand over power to the Deputy Prime Minister, after subduing the coupists, if Igbos did not have an agenda of hijacking power through a military coup?

Ironsi was in power for just a few months.

Are you aware that Ironsi set up an investigative panel made up of northerners that Gowon supervised? To know how far the conspiracy went? Do you know that the panel did not submit their report until Ironsi was overthrown by the same Gowon and co? The report was never released because it found no link to Ironsi or any ethnocentric (igbo) plot.

Nigeria is a very deep and evil country. If you know you know

BafanaBafana:
Gowon was the second in command to Brigadier Maimalari, the GOC of the federal guards in Lagos. Maimalari was killed by his own ADC leaving Gowon in charge of the fighting troops in Lagos.

Oga abeg Gowon had just come back from abroad and was getting ready to take over as commander of 2nd Battalion from Hilary Njoku on January 15. Gowon was doing condolence visits to families of the coup victims and arresting suspects after all the shooting had stopped and Ironsi had foiled the coup in Lagos

If you said Murtala I might have understood

Dedetwo:
The bolded showed the poster of the above crap is in the wrong section of nairaland. GOC for federal guards?

When I read that thing I nearly spat out the beer in my mouth to laugh

wirinet:
I give up. Convincing you decree 34 by general Ironsi destroyed the Nigerian Federation is like convincing a flat earther that the world is actually round. Even if you take him to the moon to witness an earth rise, he will still find a stupid explanation on why what you are looking at is an illusion.

I rest my case on this thread.

Which case? You don't even know what decree 34 looks like. See as you cruise yourself enter cul de sac

wirinet:
Don't mind him. He is just trying to defend Ironsi no matter how insane his argument is. Imagine a single civil service running all 4 regions. So who will pay the civil servants running the regions and where will the revenues and taxes go to? Who will then make laws for the newly decreed regions?

Did Ironsi cancel fiscal federalism like Gowon? The regions could easily pay salaries but the civil service had a central leadership. Is thing rocket science or what?

wirinet:
https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm




You are just talking nonsense. Read what you wrote up there again and see if it makes any sense. Ironsi retained which administrators to government which regional spaces? Who appointed the administrators in the first place?

I gave you an assignment and you refused to do it. Once again look up the difference between a Federation and a Republic.

The actual part of decree 34 that killed the regions is - Nigeria shall on 24th May 1966 cease to be a Federation. This simply means the country ceased being a Federation of regions and effectively became a Republic comprising of components (whether states or regions) under a single (unitary government ).

If you are unable to understand these simple facts, then you are beyond help.

It's not by spewing sophistry via multiple NL accounts Explain how decree 34 ended regionalism? Very simple if you know what you are talking about.

Before yoruba people hold Gowon accountable a camel will pass through the eye of a needle. The indigenisation policy that he gave to you guys really helped empower yorubas economically so I'm not surprised

BafanaBafana:
Nope.
The first coup itself failed, Gowon was able to squash it in Lagos. Since the prime minister was killed, the cabinet agreed on electing an acting prime minister, a certain guy called Dipcharma from Borno who was the most senior member of the ruling party was selected but Orizu Nwafor, the senate President refused to swear him in. It was then that Ironsi came around had a tete a tete with Nwafor and then convinced the MPs (with heavily armed soldiers surrounding them) to hand over power to him.

Which role did Gowon play in quashing the coup in Lagos?

naijainreverse:
Wow and one of the leaders of the coup Ademoyega did not know about this but YOU knew

Deadlytruth:
I believe you did Government as a subject in SS2 or class 4 as the case might be. Didn't you read it in your textbook that the civil service is the engine room of Government through which the government generates revenues from resources within its jurisdiction, deploys same to pay salaries and sponsor capital projects, etc, thus resources are controlled and government power wielded through the civil service? So how could a decree which stripped regional governments of control and ownership of their civil services be said not to have equally taken away the power of the regions to own and control their resources? It is like your mechanic removed the engine of your car and he argued that he didn't damage the car since everyone can still see that the body is intact. Will you agree with him?

This is just sophistry. Have you even seen Decree 34?

1. A military regime by nature is a Unitarian entity.

2. Most importantly, Ironsi retained administrators to govern the regional spaces and did not hijack resource control. Gowon did exactly the opposite with Decree 14. Shikena