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APAMS too much money. I really admire the man and what he has achieved in his business niche

Eyaaaa I sabi that zanga. RIP to the hood

nsiba:
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See fools we were selling like Guinea pigs

You were killing twins and selling ppl to slavery. That's why you are a minority and slave of the north today. Paying for your forefathers evil

nsiba:
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IDAD!
God punish you criminals, not only Michael Okpara na Azikiewe
See thieves that were stealing regional money for themselves
Thunder fire ya Generation

Your anger is that we stopped you from killing twins in that your jungle. Minority nwuru anwu

nsiba:
Very NONSENSICAL region.....
AkwaIbom and others now proudly make up South South region

Unam ikot

I blame Michael Okpara for partnering with your province to revive Obudu Cattle Ranch

obynzo:
Oga you are the one that made an allegation first so why not be an honorable man and show us the document backing your allegations that NCNC HQ was in the east?

He can't answer now he's gone to switch accounts to that orosunbald one

Deadlytruth:
So Fagbore had become the representative of both the Yorubas, the Northerners and the Midwesterners? I never knew you were this pathetic.
Even you yourself have been trying to deny it here that Igbos celebrated the coup in the North but now you have changed tune to "the South was happy with the coup" as if Igbos were Northerners then. Can't you see your inconsistency?

DeadlyLies the Igbos did not record songs or come out to jubilate as you so shamelessly lied but went mute like a drowning rodent when asked to prove your lies Nigerians on the other hand were happy generally across all tribes. Is that simple enough for you now?

Now kindly explain your contradictory statements that you were asked before.

Deadlytruth:
Stop being evasive and tell us where the colonial officers made any input in the Independence Constitution. I don't even believe you have ever taken the pain to read that constitution because Nnamdi Kanu's propaganda has made you believe that the British just sat down one day, drafted it all by themselves with an anti-Igbo bias, and then handed it to Balewa to start using.

Deadlytruth:
Zik purposely courted and got the backing of the British to prevent secession clause. All that the British needed was just one voice of dissent which they always found in the East. I guess this should sink into your block head this time around.

You now claimed that one was after independence

Deadlytruth:
It is obvious you are not conversant with the issues. Before Independence the British was lording it over Nigeria but the fight for independence became successful and the British had to loosen their grip. If they didn't loosen their grip would independence have been granted? Is this too difficult for you to understand?

So many lies on one thread, I pity people around you in real life

This looks so fake. There is nothing like ESN and the army is not looking for them

obynzo:
Oga just go and rest you have no talk. Please I am waiting for an NCNC document or letter head that shows the HQ being in the east.

Have you seen DeadlyLies provide even ONE document in any of his posts. Lies are its oxygen. With documents It would suffocate immediately

Deadlytruth:
The only people happy with the coup were Igbos whose political leaders were left unhurt by the coupists. Can you quote any prominent Yoruba or Northerner or even a Midwesterner who, in representative capacity of his people made a public statement in support of the coup? You think other tribes are as brash, arrogant and senseless as you people?

And also tell us when military never took over power in the US, UK, Canada, Japan asides from the fact that Nazism wrecked Germany and led it to a war that they regret till today just as your military coup culminated in a war that cost you over three million live which you still decry till tomorrow.

I don't need any sound byte from any corrupt elitist corrupt potbellied criminal from the north or Yoruba land to tell me that the ordinary ppl in the streets were relieved to see the back of Balewa and co. I don't need to cite any more sources because you are an anti-intellectual who thinks he can lie his way through. The video of Fagbure should be simple enough even for people of your capacity

Deadlytruth:
Why not just accept that you have been pummeled with superior argument? Were you expecting the British to have at independence still been acting like Nigeria was still under colonization?

Beer parlour champion storyteller. You that adjudge yourself to know more about the civil war than Ademoyega

Let me humour you a little. Which of these two contradictory statements was before or after colonisation?

Deadlytruth:
Zik purposely courted and got the backing of the British to prevent secession clause. All that the British needed was just one voice of dissent which they always found in the East. I guess this should sink into your block head this time around.

Deadlytruth:
Stop being evasive and tell us where the colonial officers made any input in the Independence Constitution. I don't even believe you have ever taken the pain to read that constitution because Nnamdi Kanu's propaganda has made you believe that the British just sat down one day, drafted it all by themselves with an anti-Igbo bias, and then handed it to Balewa to start using.

Deadlytruth:
It is obvious you are not conversant with the issues. Before Independence the British was lording it over Nigeria but the fight for independence became successful and the British had to loosen their grip. If they didn't loosen their grip would independence have been granted? Is this too difficult for you to understand?

You have contradicted yourself. Your operation wetie grammar is redundant

fuckboys:
stella oduah?

No o. She was already an oil and gas tycoon by the

In one post this liar says colonial officers had no input and throws Nnamdi Kanu in to sound smart

Deadlytruth:
Stop being evasive and tell us where the colonial officers made any input in the Independence Constitution. I don't even believe you have ever taken the pain to read that constitution because Nnamdi Kanu's propaganda has made you believe that the British just sat down one day, drafted it all by themselves with an anti-Igbo bias, and then handed it to Balewa to start using.

In another post he says Zik colluded with the colonia authorities. The same British that this liar agrees did not like Zik. See as you have tied yourself up in sophistry

Deadlytruth:
Zik purposely courted and got the backing of the British to prevent secession clause. All that the British needed was just one voice of dissent which they always found in the East. I guess this should sink into your block head this time around.

Dedetwo:
Bro there are many loudmouths in Nigeria and they the most revisionists due to cheap and free education from Awo's program. Awo could not afford air ticket from London to Nigeria suddenly became land owner and newspaper operator. Awo was only premier of western region for three (3) years and suddenly became a magician who achieved wonders in a short period. While in the other, Zik was being chased by British with a threat of imprisonment because of the formation of ACB.

Awo is a hero to such because he introduced the tribalism and bitter politics without which they would be lost today.

Dedetwo:
Do you mean the same British which did everything humanly possible to imprison Zik while giving flowery tributes to Awo? Awo was an agent of British.

Awo was recruited by Sir Cummins-Bruce while he was studying in London. The British encouraged him to form Egbe Omo Oduduwa as a means of fomenting tribal politics in the south to stoke division and it worked.

The British were cunning devils and they noticed that Awo was very bigoted and extremely insecure of Zik's influence in the south of the soon to be independent country. Awo and the British had one thing in common, they both were very scared of Zik

Deadlytruth:
So a coup which killed the cream de la cream of Northern leaders and left their Igbo counterparts untouched for running a corruption ridden government needed the British propaganda to make Northerners feel disgusted with such a coup? I guess it was also the British propaganda it took for Ojukwu to get disgruntled with the killings of Igbos in the North hence he declared Biafra?

And how really developed today are your Greece and Argentina where military thrived till the eighties compared with the US, Germany, UK, Japan etc

1. The northerners celebrated the news of the overthrow of the Balewa government until propagandists began to do their work. The south was ecstatic until the counter coup. You are obviously not well read or exposed so these facts will be strange to you. The terrorised people of the west were the happiest. Gabriel Fagbure the yoruba journalist in that video celebrating the coup is simple evidence of the mood of the nation after the coup. If I have to keep teaching you I will need to send you an invoice

2. I thought you were just dishonest but you seem to have a learning disability as well. Coups were very common because the world was a different place. Germany you are using as an example had a Nazi coup just three decades before 1966 so your example is also DOA.

ijawcitizen:
Says who?
The igbos or the Niger Deltans who are relieved to be free from igbo hegemony?

The best time in the history of you minorities was as part of the old Eastern region. But in the old Western region you were marginalized and ran for your life

Deadlytruth:
That was few hours after the coup and when the heavily lopsided ethnic pattern of the casualties was yet to come to the knowledge of the general public.
That a journalist even justified the sacking of a democratically elected government by the military was an indication of how hopeless the country was.
Ask yourself if the military ever interfered in the democratic experience of advanced countries like US, UK, Germany, Japan, France, etc which are the world economic and military powers today and compare it with very economically backward and near failed countriess like Nigeria, Sudan, etc which had military rule as part of their history then tell me if military intervention in democracy is justified in any way as long as the prosperity, growth and development of a country are concerned.

In political philosophy, ultimate sovereignty is said to reside with the people and not the army and not even the legislature. The people express that sovereignty through the ballot box. So if there is the need for a change of government, only the people have the power to do so. The military came into existence through the sovereign will of the people who created it by law to protect the territorial integrity of their country. So military take over of government is an aberration akin to a situation whereby the parents of a household are quarrelling and the security man employed by the family to protect them decides to kill those parents and then assume the role of new parents over the children. This is how senseless it is to justify military intervention and any genuinely educated person must never have a reason to rationalize or justify such an anomaly except he will tolerate it if his employed security man in his house does it to him and his wife.

The coup was very popular in the country including the north until the propagandists among the northern intelligentsia and British intelligence began to incite the northerners. The coup remained very popular in the south until Ironsi was overthrown. The yorubas and Midwest ppl seeing that the north had succeeded in the counter coup, immediately acted like they were never happy about the overthrow of the Balewa government.

The nightmare of the 1st republic had many faces. From the civil war in the Western region called operation wetie that claimed thousands of lives, to the tiv riots, very shameless election rigging in the western region etc To finally break the camel's back the NPC/Akintola were planning to wallop the Western region and totally subdue It with plenty of bloodshed. It is that kind of madness in society that makes some young soldiers desperate enough to think that an illegal action like a coup can solve problems of their country. Like the journalist said clearly and any educated person knows, coups were very very common in those days. I am sure you know countries like Greece, Argentina and other developed countries had military rule until the 70s and 80s

That is why your analogy of "security man killing parents" is totally DOA. Today we have young people who have grown up seeing politicians stealing and killing without any repercussions. Those young kids now think they are justified to steal through Yahoo Yahoo. The environment will always bear fruit in its own image. Up north the fruit we are seeing is banditry and terrorism

Deadlytruth:
I disagree with you. The Independence Constitution was a we-the-people constitution produced entirely from inputs by the freely elected representatives from all federal constituencies to the 1957 London Constitutional conference. The British had no input in it at all. Here is a video of it. Note the British guys in the background who were only watching the proceedings in observer capacity. Happy watching:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m_Q60YfVJ8

How can a video of Awo reading a speech at the constitutional conference and another speech at the opening of a t.v. station indicate that the British were just "observers" in our early constitutional process

So you expect the colonial officer to bring koboko to the conference to show he is in charge. Lol

CharleyBright:
You have good knowledge of what happened. These people have been dragging me with argument back and forth about Nzeogwu taking over Kano battalion during the coup.
What happened was that Nzeogwu had been drafted to temporarily relief the Kaduna Commander when the coup happened. Nzeogwu was already in charge of Kaduna battalion that day and he tried to over run Kano Battalion from Kaduna thinking Ojukwu will let him do that. But Ojuwkwu fought him and pushed him back to Kaduna where he remained until he surrendered several days after the coup.

Thanks boss. I love history more than palmy Just one correction, Nzeogwu never surrendered, he was cajoled by Ironsi into flying to Lagos for talks and was welcomed by machine guns at the airport. Ironsi tossed him into jail sharply

CharleyBright:
These unneccesary back and forth argument with some of these Nairalanders can be so annoying sometimes. Most especially people who have no knowledge about an issue but will come up and be arguing endlessly based on their fixated preconceived and prejudiced mindsets.

I honestly enjoy dismantling the fake history I come across on NL. In fact the more prejudiced a person is, the more fun it is pounding knowledge into him

Guestlander:
Ojukwu did not foil any coup from Kaduna. Nzeogwu was effectively in control of the northern region, he was persuaded to stand down after the coup had failed in Lagos and other parts of Nigeria. This is probably one of the reasons why Ironsi was reluctant to execute the plotters, eventually leading to his own downfall.

Nzeogwu was only really in charge of the capital of the north which was Kaduna. Ojukwu in Kano refused to cooperate with Nzeogwu. When the latter sent an emissary to Kano, he was promptly arrested. Nzeogwu never agreed to stand down, he was deceived into meeting with Ironsi in Lagos for peaceful talks and was arrested immediately.

As for Ironsi not executing the plotters, they were all arrested pending investigation and trial. Gowon was directly in charge of supervising the Special Branch (CID) that was conducting the investigation. He was obviously busy planning to seize power instead of getting to the bottom of the coup plot

obynzo:
See bros try and stay in the North during a religious or ethnic crisis you will see whether they make a distinction between you and we igbos. You have not lived in the North and you are already talking shit in this forum

His worldview is limited to the geographical space between Alimosho and Ikeja. Whenever there is a crisis in the north, it's Igbo dominated areas that his people run to hide in like Sabon Gari in Kano.

obynzo:
Oga even in the west Yorubas trooped out to rejoice after the coup. Igbos didn't again the lie that there was a poster that was used up till now no such poster was shown. Again the song they said was used to mock Sardauna was actually Rex Lawson's song that was released in the 50s so it was all rumours and propaganda that was designed to incite the northern soldiers to revolt there was no such thing.

Please even Babangida later admitted in a series that most to the reasons that was given for the counter coup never really existed that it was like they were teleguided to act.

The guy is either one of these 20k per month internet trolls or just a congenital liar. Every lie that is challenged is defended with even more lies and sophistry. If you noticed he hasn't cited any source for his wild claims, not even one. As somebody who loves history I've been laughing non-stop at his tomfoolery.

He's like one of those guys who tell wild stories in beer parlours for free booze. Everyone knows he is lying but the lie too sweet

Deadlytruth:
When someone melts away, what does it mean? It simple means to escape from trouble stealthily. Doesn't that now lend credence to the fact that Ejoor was chased after by Biafran soldiers in the process of dislodging him? Do you chase after someone you are not trying to dislodge and or capture in a war?

Na so omo onile dey take sell one land to five people Banjo was holding meetings with Ejoor begging him to stay in charge of Midwest. How can you chase somebody away when you are begging him to stay in the office he is already holding. If they wanted to capture Ejoor how would be have melted away? This is too shameful

Deadlytruth:
But Igbos trooped into the streets of Kaduna rejoicing and celebrating immediately news of the coup and Ahmadu Bello's death broke out. They designed a poster showing Nzeogwu stepping on Ahmadu Bello's neck and made a recording in which Ahmadu Bello was impersonated as bleating like a goat being slaughtered

These are your 41st, 42nd and 43rd lies on this thread. You are a living river of lies

1. Igbos never celebrated in the streets

2. There was no poster.

3. There was no recording of Ahmadu Bello because the tech did not exist then for ordinary folk. Rex Lawson (an Ijaw musician) used to perform a popular folk song long before the coup so propagandists like you fashioned lie out of it


I am waiting for your next series of lies to divert attention from these latest ones If you can prove any of them I will close my NL account

jubilantagida:
For retired security officers right? Private citizens are not offered licenses.

Everybody needs a license but I think its only retired officers that can own a handgun. Everybody else can only own shotguns

CharleyBright:
Firstly, There were names that featured prominently in the Nzeogwu coup, the Ironsi Coup, and the Murtala Mohammed coup.
I cant really recall Hassan Katsina's name in the Nzeogwu's coup, and doubt he was part of that coup.
Many of those that were seemingly like perpetual coupists were either executed or retired as a deterent when Obasanjo became Head of State.
Secondly, it wasnt really the British that incited the Northern Officers. It was actually the anger that Nzeogwu and the coup plotters killed Zakaria Maimalari ( the highest ranking Northern officer) and the Tafawa Balewa, while Nnamdi Azikiwe was left free. The anger was even more fuelled when Aguyi Ironsi emerged as Head of State, and he was hesitant in trying the coup plotters who were arrested.

Nzeogwu was a close friend of Katsina and told him about the coup beforehand. He played a very minimal role from the shadows but he was involved and was a very very sly fox. When Nzeogwu left for Lagos after the coup he put Katsina in charge of Kaduna pending his return.

See both of them answering questions from journalists in Kaduna the day after the coup.The picture in the bottom half is the most popular one of Nzeogwu (with the bandage on his neck). The interesting thing is that Katsina was cropped out of it to preserve a narrative.

Regarding why the plotters were not tried immediately, see my comment on it earlier

nku5:
The fact is that Ironsi was in power for just a few months. immediately he took office he appointed an investigative committee from the then Special Branch (now CID) to investigate the coup. It was headed by M.D. Yusuf and supervised directly by Gowon. For reasons we can only guess, the investigative report never got to Ironsi until the same Gowon and co overthrew Ironsi and buried the report.

These kind of facts are never popular

For people who want to learn about the mood in the counyry just after the nzeogwu coup, here is an interview of a Yoruba journalist in Lagos a few days after.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0F_5ma4lM

So human beings with fully developed brains believe that Zik was powerful enough to force his will on the British and all the other tribes leaders regarding a secession clause in the Nigerian constitution

Chai this Igbo obsession should be designated as a kind of madness walahi

Deadlytruth:
So Adegboyega didn't write about the detachments to Warri Auchi Okene Agenebode etc which Ojukwu himself acknowledge yet you hold Adegboyegas book as infallible?

Focus on your claim that Ejoor had to be "dislodged" from his position. Same Ejoor that boasted that he melted away and rode to Lagos on his bicycle Bring your source ogbeni!