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above all things @mantraa, @huxley, since the truth is that its not my job to convince you, infact i am expected to take any ridicule given to me on the chin, so please just know that:

Heaven is real, Hell is real,

This life is just temporary, many people already dead would love this chance that we all have at making heaven, please don't throw it away, it is freely given, take it and run with it.


God Almighty loves you so much he gave His only begotten Son to die for you, so that whosoever believes (you , I or anyone else) would not perish but rather have eternal life.


Peace be unto you, God Almighty loves even if you don't.

Am sorry but this would be last post in response to either @huxley, @mantraa and also @toneyb on any thread on nairaland because i feel my work (to speak the truth as I know it) is done , thank you for the opportunity to do so bye.

I give up , cus it seems you still wouldn't know it, even if the truth hits you on the head,

again show me where he bible says that paul, jesus and moses were black. it seems you are just another guy on the ropes.

I don't want to waster my typing strenght repeating myself hence click on the referenced link showing you where i have already mentioned it earlier.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-232711.0.html#msg3461740

copy and paste syndrome, , wow, that is new

The truth has been revealed and its not in an old book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of bronze age men with voices in their heads.

or wait do you mean the bronze age men that the United states and most western european and isreal is now using their occultic symbols on public and national monuments,

The truth has been revealed and its not in an old book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of bronze age men with voices in their heads.

do you mean the bronze age men, the Greeks and Romans copied their sciences and then called it their own,

, Propaganda, chai,

huxley do you mean to tell me that the Missing missing-links have been found,

, , please who is TTE, can i get to please meet TTE.

I taught evolution was just an hypothesis that is yet to be proved,

See this man oh! Who defined what 'an hour' was? Does the bible tell you the day was composed of 24 HOURS? Did MOSES measure time in HOURS??

Stop digging a hole for yourself. If you show me in Genesis where 24 hours were mentioned, I will give you £200 today.

Yes you are correct using 24hours as the biblical reference for a day is wrong, I used 24hours because 24hours is the generally agreed unit of time in our time anage, hence it means that if 30hours was the generally agree unit of time within a day i would have gladly used 30 hours instead.

Nonetheless despite my misstep on that point/note it still cannot be discounted that the BIBLE was very clear that GOD HIMSELF THAT EVERYTHING (heavens and earth) was created in 6 literal days (where a single literal day means our normal daytime + night time).

So your duty is to stay ignorant and keep believing falsehoods?

1. By Falsehood i want to presume you mean it is falsehood when the bible clearly says that GOD HIMSELF said everything was created in 6 literal days,

2. I would let personal attack and insult pass, responding to that is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

For anyone to tell me DEFINITIVELY how old the earth is, he must be able to tell me how long ALL the processes in Genesis take place. For someone claiming to use the bible as the basis for such a claim, he must show me IN THE BIBLE the basis for such a claim. There is NO BASIS for estimating the period of time the Spirit of God moved over the earth. That is simply ONE piece of evidence that discounts ANY attempt to FIX the earth's age using biblical accounts - IT WAS NOT MEANT FOR THAT PURPOSE IN MY OPINION.

1. No one is telling you how old the earth, no one can, simply because the bible only told us how it start and how long it took to start that bible did not tell us when it start, the best anyone can do is to guess about the age of the earth (i don't deal with guesses, i deal with hard cold facts as started in the bible even if those facts are against my own opinion) hence i really don't understand why you keep banging on about the age of the earth considering that whether or not we talk about the age of the earth does not change the fact that GOD HIMSELF told us that the earth was HEAVEN AND EARTH and EVERYTHING IN IT was created in 6 literal days.

2. All that anyone can telling is how old the earth is relative to man, i.e. the earth is only a few days older than man. (Because the Bible said so and not because i said so)
3. Talking about the number of days or hours or years it took that spirit of God to move over the waters is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the discussion at hand for the simple reason, that "the bible did not give us any information that would help us answer that question", hence the only way you are going to get an answer to that is if you "look for the answer outside the bible" and then add that knowledge to what the bible has already told you, (which is what i am talking about when i talk about the dangers and error in seeking hidden and secret knowledge, considering that you have no biblical basis to cross check whether or not your acquired hidden or secret knowledge is true or not).

Also my statement about hidden and secret knowledge was made in reference to spiritual and biblical matters, off course God gave us a brain to use (infact he instructed us in a condeming way that we would labour, of which the use of our brain in the physical world for physical things is one of them), hence why Paul himself was a worker (using his brain) to do this in the physical world. Please don't confuse the statement about secret knowledge with the God given ability for us to use our brains to think things through and bring about inventions in the physical realm, MY STATEMENT WAS TALKING ABOUT KNOWLEDGE THAT DEALS WITH SPIRITUAL ISSUES NOT PHYSICAL ISSUES, thank you.  

For anyone to tell me DEFINITIVELY how old the earth is, he must be able to tell me how long ALL the processes in Genesis take place.

Creation is a miracle, Creation of HEAVEN AND EARTH IS A MIRACLE beyond us, however that does not follow a natural process or thinking pattern that is discernable by man, that is why people (atheist and evolutionist) are stuggling and failing to understand how it could have been possible to CREATE everything in only 6 literal days.

The fact that you do not understand how or why it is possible for God to create everything within 6 literal days does not mean God is a liar, rather it means you should look at yourself, because it shows that you are willing to believe certain things in the bible that go along with your logic , yet you are simply unable to accept or believe certain things that do not agree to your logic and pattern of how things should be.

Who is the person who is simply unable to believe that God is able to do something that he (the person) is unable to understand or rationalise , the Glory of God shines forth in doing things which are obviously humanely impossible to occur within our frame of reference.

Christ himself criticised people for their unbelieve of his miracles (some pharasees even went as far as saying Christ was using devils to cast out devils), hence what do you call yourself when you are at point where you simply refuse to believe that GOD created everything in 6 literal days, because it does not agree with your logic.

It does not take one to be an Atheist before one is an unbeliever, True Christians are expected to show themselves faithful in both the little things and the bigs things,


Also to say that you are keeping an OPEN MIND as you say, is just a code word for saying that you believe some things for now, but you don't believe somethings for now, unfortunately Christ Himself said that there is space nor opportunity for anyone to sit on the fence, its either you are HOT or you are COLD.

This is meaningless nonsense - the problem of genesis was NOT the knowledge but disobedience. STOP trying to encourage ignorance in the name of 'spirituality'.

Come one this is english language, use of english is basically what is happening here, notice that i used the qualifying word "partly" to qualify that the desire to eat of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil partly resulted in the act of disobedience

The LENGTH OF TIME of the occurrences in Genesis is not the determinant of their validity.

So in essence does that mean? that you are saying that since the lenght of time stated by the bible for the occurrence of Creation (6 literal days) does not agree with your logic, then it means they are not valid.
Please expantiate before i comment.

Again this is irrelevant. This discourse has nothing to do with what you read in whatever annotation. I am not seeking to add something, simply proving certain information is NOT available and should not be assumed by one person and forced down the throat of another.

1. you accuse me of assuming an information (I have already retracted the issue of 24 hours and shown you while it is irrelevant whether or not it is 24 hours or 30 hours , since we are still talking about a single day).
2. Can you please show me whatelse i have said which i have assumed that warrants such a comment from you.
3. Can you please show me whether or not GOD HIMSELF said a day means "daytime + nighttime" is true or not.

EVOLUTION is an INTERPRETATION of EVIDENCE. I keep an OPEN MIND as to the exact INTERPRETATION of that evidence.

Dude I am highly disappointed - you keep harping on someone believing evolution - where did I say I believed in Evolution?? In your attempt to 'enlighten' me, you insist on classifying me based on your prejudices that have NOTHING to do with what I am saying here.

For the umpteenth time I DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. ALL I have said is, NO ONE, not YOU, not OLA, not THE SCIENTISTS, can tell me the earth is DEFINITIVELY 6400 years old!

Like it is said in "Southpark" I am not your dude , i am not your buddy, i am not your mate, i am not your guy, , just kidding, !!!

Okay back to your statement:

1. Refer to my earlier statement about what it means for a so called "Christian" to say he/she is keeping an open mind. (i don't want to repeat myself)
2. Wow, did you just say Evolution is an interpretation of an evidence,

okay let me do a little tutorial here:
a. The same so called fossil, geologic and other records available to evolutionist is mostly (atheist and evolutionist are in power hence the expected slight discrimination at times) also that same one available to creationist.

b. Don't believe the myth that Evolutionist are scientist and creationist are not, there are scientist on both sides of the discussion, although propaganda and media would want to make you believe that anyone who believes in literal 6-day Creation is a nutjob. that is not true, for example I am also into research (albeit engineering and mathematical sha)

c. Any interpretation given by creationist scientist and evolutionary scientist is bound to be a subjective statement because of one simply fact, IT CANNOT BE TESTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE INTERPRETATION IS TRUE OR NOT, so you see therein lies the problem with people that try to use propaganda that evolution is science and creation is not. Evolution is an UNTESTABLE hypothesis.

d.Since both of the intepretation from creationist and evolutionist cannot be right at the same time, hence one of them is lying.

e. If one of them is lying then one needs a reference to crosscheck which one, unfortunately there is absolutely no reference to do that crosschecking,

f. unfortunately for the evolutionist recent publications from genetist, biologist and so on , are gradually showing that inherently unusual problems that invalidate the evolutionary view, some of those problems include:
1. Polystrata fossils
2. Extreme Complexity of protein and cells
3. Irreducible complexity

Those problems observed simply show that it is simply "IMPOSSIBLE" FOR anything to have evolved purely by chance, (hence why you now have some non-christians who have now become intelligent design advocates)

g. Finally ultimately this means that a Christian cannot believe evolutionary intepretation of the evidence since they contradict the bible and at the same time also claim to believe the bible is completely true, hence any Christian who does that finds his/herself in the OPEN MINDED trap that you have found yourself in , unfortunately this openmindedness simply means that such a christian believes the bible might be true in some instances while at the same not be true in some instances.
Thus the only way such a christian can justify such a stand while still retain the toga of believing the bible is completely true is if such a christian "adds" ideas or re-interpretes the bible so that the bible would look like its saying something different from what it is clearly saying.
That explains the "spirit over water time frame" conundrum that you brought up,

The only reason you are talking about the "spirit over water frame conundrum" is probably  because somewhere along the line, some is trying to add the [b]millions of years [/b]into the bible, in other to justify their evolutionary beliefs/openmindedness.

I rest my case.

@DEBOSKY,

The guy is arguing over the same matter with me on another thread. Ignorant Christians like this are the most DANGEROUS.

Thank you for the insult, being insulted is a little price to pay in the big scheme of things,

At least thank God am the one you are insulting and not the Bible because its obvious that bible clearly said something you do not agree with, yet fortunately for me what was said by the bible is not something which can be changed by man.

So far i have not used my own words to do the explanation, I have restricted myself to the Bible verses (for people to crosscheck) since I know that that is the only thing is infallible, everyone of us is fallible, hence the reason why i quickly admitted the fact that the use of 24hours is not necessary since it is not something etched in stone but rather something which i did because 24hours is something everyone had agreed to as the unit of measuring the amount of time in a day.

Nonetheless that still does not take away that fact that GOD HIMSELF MADE IT VERY CLEAR FOR ALL TO SEE IN GENERATIONS PAST, OUR GENERATION AND GENERATIONS TO COME , that HE was simply talking about a single day cycle that equals "night + day".

@RichyBlacK

Do you know when the hour as a measure of time was adopted?

I or anyone else does not need to know the agree unit of time that is used to measure a single day, whether they are using a "sand time glass" or "sun shadown dial" or "atomic clocks" is completely and totally irrelevant.

The issue here is that GOD HIMSELF, told us (everybody), the definition of a single day.

God Himself told us that a single equals "the light part of the day i.e. daytime" + "night part of the day i.e. night time".

So talking about who invented what or when it was invented is just mere semantics meant to deviate from the obvious,


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


The only reason i am using 24hours as the unit of time within a single day is because that is what is generally agreed to the unit of time in a day, if the agreed unit of time was 30 hours or 50hours or 1 million hours, it does not change the FACT that GOD HIMSELF SAID AND TOLD US THAT A SINGLE DAY CONSISTS OF DAY TIME AND NIGHT TIME, HOW WE MEASURE OR DIVIDE THOSE DAY TIME AND NIGHT TIME IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN KNOWING THAT GOD WAS TALKING ABOUT A LITERAL DAY.

I don't know whether its an atheist thing or an evolutionary thing, however i have noticed from your posts and those of other atheists in the past (even the nairaland administrator) that you people tend to resort to "insults" and "ridicule" even in the face of logical and well referenced points, provided to explain the reason for a particular conclusion.

Its almost like it does not matter whether the point provided is true or not nor does it matter if what is discussed is important or not, it seems to me that your mind (and those of others) is made up and nothing or no one can change it or change your opinion.

For example, although i am guessing you are probably a black man masquerading as an atheist (due to your previous comments), yet despite that I have taking pains to let you see that how biblical references (which i know you don't believe) detailing the ethnicity and race of Paul, Jesus, Moses and others while at the same time show you bible references to back it up so that it can be crosschecked and seen that it is not my personal opinion but rather a biblical fact.
Yet it seems that even though you claim not to believe in the bible or its content, you have somehow chosen to believe (what you have been taught) that Paul is White, Jesus is White, Moses (why you believe that is outstanding since you claim not to believe in God, hence how are they supposed to be white if they not even supposed to exist according to your worldview) .
It then begs the question, do you believe they are white or black or neither because the media and most people say so, or is it that you also have another cold fact to support your opinion , "don't you think there is a contradiction here".

On one hand you are willing to dismiss the things that you don't like and don't want to believe , yet on the other hand you are willing to accept things that you like, have been taught and choose to believe, despite that evidences to the contrary exist.



To say I am dumbfounded would be an understatement, simply because my Phd research engineering program and past scientific interest and background tell me to expect that people are capable of crosschecking facts (independent of public opinion) before making an decision about events or situations.

Wow people on nairaland don't seem to cease to amaze me,

1. I do not have a religion, anyone who is a True Christian (i.e. being Christ like) means that person does not have a religion.
2. There is nothing like "Black Christianity",
3. I only pointed out those points and answers just to help you know and see what's going on , about blacks in history, and how racism and lies has been used through the ages to whitewash and cover up the real identity of the Isrealites,
4. Those point are also meant to let you know that the fact that lies, deception and bad things have been done in the past in the name of religions does not mean one should now replace one lie (religion , i.s.l.a.m , catholism, etc) with another lie (atheism, evolution).

True Christians don try and suffer through the ages,

First the Pharasees conivved to get them banned, yet that did not succeed.
Herod tried to kill some of them, yet that did not succeed.
Romans tried to kill them off, yet that did not succeed.
Catholics tried to kill them off, yet that did not succeed.
I.s.l.a.m tried to kill them off, yet that did not succeed.
Communism tried to suppress and kill them off, yet that did not succeed.
Now Atheism and Evolution has joined the ranks of those trying to kill them off, yes off course, we know that would also not succeed.

Glory be to God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth (in 6 literal 24 hours days), our Father in Heaven, SO IT IS.

, , an waiting for one of you to say St. Paris Hilton,

Men you people make me cringe, how can you have something in front of you and still not see, that the Bible is against the Catholic church and its practices,

correction

a. Blacks (Paul et al) actually brough the gospel to Christians

I meant to write:

a. Blacks (Paul et al) actually brought the gospel to Whites (and other gentiles)

@mantraa,

I rest my case, since its not my job to save or convert you, its the Holy Spirit's job, my job is just to tell you the Good News that Christ died for your sins and rose again on the third so that you can be saved, hence your salvation is not dependent on what i say, my job is just to tell you the truth.

After this current post , i would cease responding to your post, since it seems facts and references have no bearing on your reply.

Before I go , please note that there is nothing like "White Man's religion", yes being a Christian during the past century has been viewed as a white man's thing, yet please be rest assured, it was not so in the beginning.

Below is a little information for you to realise that you are blaming the wrong people for your unbelief:

a. Blacks (Paul et al) actually brough the gospel to Christians
b. Ancient isrealites and early christians have no common blood relation with most of the people calling themselves Jews today.
c.  Even the bible shows that hollywood and catholic church is lying whenever they try to portray Christ and Ancient isrealites as "White People"

Majority of the people calling themselves to be Jews today, are actually people known as the Ashkenazi Jews (also known as Khazars).

1. The Bible says , the job of making True Christians under stand the bible is that of the Holy Spirit.

2. If Christ and the disciples were white as claimed by hollywood don't you realise that they would have had trouble working, preaching and staying in the sun of the weather or Isreal.

3. Infact don't you realise that Moses [/b]had to be someone with black skin (i.e. a[b] Black Man, Negro, Blackee which ever one you wish to call him) considering that he was brought up in the house of Pharaoh as an egyptian even while isrealites had already started to suffer persecution from the egyptians, he was mistaken for an egyptian by the daugthers of his father inlaw when he fled Egypt after killing the egyptian and also considering that the family of Isreal ( i.e. Jacob) were mistaken for Egyptians when they were on the procession to bury the dead during the time of Joseph before Moses. Yes Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Egypt was essentially a Black Man's Civilisation (yes the Arabs in Egypt today are mere intruders and trespassers just as Europeans who colonised American are not the original owners of America)  

Egypt was a black civilisation


Exodus 2:11  And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
Exodus 2:12  And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
Exodus 2:13  And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
Exodus 2:14  And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
Exodus 2:15  Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.


Exodus 2:17  And the shepherds came and drove them away: but[b] Moses [/b]stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.
Exodus 2:18  And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
Exodus 2:19  And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.




Gen 50:7  And Joseph went up to bury his father: and with him went up all the servants of Pharaoh, the elders of his house, and all the elders of the land of Egypt,
Gen 50:8  And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
Gen 50:9  And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
Gen 50:10  And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.
Gen 50:11 And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This is a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which is beyond Jordan.


4. Paul himself was mistaken for an Egyptian (a black man) by the certain people during his time.


Act 21:37  And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
Act 21:38  Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
Act 21:39  But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.



5. God Himself refered to the Isrealites as a people that are like the Ethiopian[/b]s,



Amos 9:7 [b]Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?



So finally you see that you are taking out your frustration with deception and lies in the wrong way, you are throwing the baby out with the bath water,

Yes some whites in power have lied,
Yes I.s.l.a.m has lied and is still lying and worshipping idols (allaat, moon god, allaat's daughters (satanic verses) and kabaah etc) ,
Yes Catholism has lied and is still lying and worshipping idols, (eucharist, purgartory, mary and jesus idols)

Yet does this mean the bible has changed or that the bible is not true, absolutely not,

I would be lying to you if i say i am not astounded and disappointed that i have painstakingly gone through the details of my last post, and the best you could say was that "it was a long winded quote", wow!!! talk about a made up mind.

1. I do not know the age of the earth, i don't need to know and i am not going to guess how old the earth is that is not my business since the best that can be done is to guess and simply because The Bible did not tell me that, and it has nothing to do with my salvation.

The only thing that the Bible clearly tells me is that the Earth is only a few days (24 hour days) old than man itself relative to the day man was created. The bible also clearly tells me the definition of day is a 24 hours day. The bible did not tell me how old the earth is now.

2. God has already WARNED us not to add to that which was written, unfortunately an easy way to add to the word is to try to include into the bible via interpretations what the bible did not say. If you have noticed in my comment and response, I have tried not to use my own words as much as possible so that anything i saw can be crosschecked in relation to the bible itself.

3. The bible did not tell me how long the Spirit moved over the waters, because He did not need to tell me, it is not the duty of a Christian to "look for hidden and secret knowledge all in the motive of trying to deduce what is what from what is what not."

4. All i need to know about the time scale is that God created the Heavens and Earth in 6 literal 24 hours days simply because that is exactly what the Bible said, it is not my business perogative to now try to add to the bible by trying to say that the Spirit of God must have moved over the waters for 2 seconds or 1 minute or 4 years or 10 billion years , that is completely irrelevant. so trying to "guess" how long the spirit was over the waters simply amounts to trying to ignore what God has already told us about what happened (i.e Creation), how it happened and how long it took for it to happen.

5. Acquisition of secret knowledge beyond that which God has provided is partly what got us into this problem of sin and destruction in the garden of Eden in the first place (remember the tree of the knowledge of good and evil),

6. Remember that it is written that while some True Christians are strong enough to eat spiritual meat, yet others are still only able to be given spiritual milk, hence that is why it is important to Speak the Truth always in love to let everyone know:


a. Why Christ had to come to die for sins in the first place (what happened in Genesis)

b. Why believe in Evolution implies a Christian is ultimately saying The Bible is not completely true or not, which ultimately means that such a Christian openly or secretly has doubts about whether or not the bible is completely true or partially true or not true at all (something that is reflected in your comment about how long the spirit was over the waters, something completely irrelevant to what The Bible has already said about Creation having occured in 6 literal 24 hours days.)

c. Why believe in evolution ultimately affects the faith of any True Christian (baby or matured) which like i have said, simply because evolution is basically doing the same thing that the devil did to Adam and Eve in the garden, yes evolution makes an "unfaithfull" Christian to question whether or not the bible is actually true or not. (hence make them question whether or not something or a secret knowledge is missing in the Bible or not e.g. your how long did the Spirit travel over the water [/i]question)

d. There is a spiritual battle going on for the mind and souls of men, hence no spiritual weapon should be spared in the battle against lies and deceit,

e. There is nothing like a less Christian or a more Christian, it is either you completely believe Christ and Creation account or you don't. unfortunately that invariably means that such a christian is secretly saying The Bible is not truthfully, since i really don't think that bible can be any clearer than it already is,

f. There are many things that God has not told us, why because we don't need to know, so does that mean we don't know enough to know about out history, absolutely not, He has already detailed our history for us even more accurate than any historical book known to man. Hence i can't but help shake my head when you utter that word that  6 literal days does not matter so long as "you think" you are a christian,

By the way, I was once an secret/closet atheist/believer in Dake's annotated bible biblical evolutionary nonsense until I realised that the bible is completely correct and accurate just as it is, and that all the annotated bible nonsense and the amount of time spirit went over the waters nonsense is merely a means through which people are trying to "add" to the bible without even knowing it.

its either one is hot or cold as a Christian, Christ Himself says that he would reject any one (including you and I) that is lukewarm, i.e. anyone sitting on the fence, trying to believe [i]6-day-24hours creation account at the same time as he/she believes evolution. So you see I am not the one who says it is unbiblical and wrong for anyone to call himself a True Christian and still believe in evolution[b] , Christ himself says that no one is allowed to sit on the fence, when it comes to Biblical issues (Creation, Salvation, Evangelism etc)[/b]

Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Yes it is true that:

a. You can have a personal opinion and that
b. I also have a personal opinion

Nonetheless our personal opinions is completely useless, rubbish and inconsequential in the big scheme of Spiritual matters. Those opinions are worthless so long as they are in conflict with what is clearly written and declared in the The Bible.

By the way, just as our personal opinion did not determine our Salvation or path to salvation, so also, our personal opinion cannot determine whether or not Biblical account about Creation is true or not. The Bible itself says it is a 24hours 6 day creation,

The Bible is true and accurate as it is , no need to add human opinion and interpretations to it,


Adios,

15. Wait before you go, what has being a Christian have to do with Creation versus Evolution , why are you wasting your time discussing about Creation versus Evolution when all we need is love and good works and good morals,

[color=#990000]Answer:
Fortunately, Creation has everything to do with Salvation and being a True Christian simply because:[/color]


1. Creation told us all how we got here in the first place ,
2. What happened to us when we got here ,
3. Why we all have to die one day,
4. Why it was even necessary to have Christ in the first place

This is because :


If there was no creation, then there would be no Adam,
If there was no Adam there would be no "us",
If there was no fall to sin, in the garden of Eden there would be no need for Christ to come to die for sins,

Hence there is a need for everyone to be a Christian because of the calamity that happened in the Garden of Eden,

Therefore once atheists and evolutionist succeed in removing the foundation of everything, i.e. once they succeed in removing the foundation of how life began, how sin came into the world and why Christ had to come into the world to save us all, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO BE SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

That exactly is why Atheist, Evolutionist, Catholics (who are proxies of the devil in disguise by the way) are doing there best to cut off the historical basis and reason for the need for salvation through Christ in the first place, since they know that once they succeed in doing that, people would become lost, disillusioned and without purpose hence become easy to defeat in the spiritual warfare going on.

16. Okay once again thank you
Answer: You are welcome

in an act of war, one of the first tactics is to cut off the enemies supply lines,
one of the tactics used by Whites is to try to erase history of blacks so that black don't know about their history: Olmecs, Nubia, Egypt to mention just a few,

@debosky

Why would you now want to read a time scale into something a time scale was not given for??

1. First and foremost, who is a Christian
Answer: A Christian is someone who has accept Christ has his/her Lord and saviour, and who believes that Christ died for his/her sins and rose again on the third day as prophesised.


2. Why do you need to be a Christian
Answer: Because all men/women are born sinners and are therefore automatically condemn to eternal damnation



3. How did all men become sinners
Answer: You can only find out how all men became sinners from the beginning of the book of Genesis, no other book in the Bible shows how or why all men became sinners.



4. Where did the Book of Genesis show that all men became sinners condemned to die.
Answer:


Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




5. What exactly does it mean that all men became sinners
Answer: It means all men lost their immortality, God giving dominion and glory and are thus condemn to grow old and die and go to hell,

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and[b][color=#000099] let them have dominion over[/b] the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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6. Does that mean there was no death before man sinned as in no animal or man died before Adam sinned.
Answer: Yes, everything was perfect when God created it, God Himself said it was perfect, hence it can only be imperfect according to evolution if and only if God was lying.


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that[b] it was good[/b].
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that[b] it was good[/b].
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.




7. How is it then that possible, considering that Evolution said there was death before man evolved.
Answer: Well you have to make a choice, either you believe the Bible or you believe Evolution, it is illogical and deceitful to believe the Bible at the same time trying to say that you believe Evolution. They give completely opposite view of events as examplified in the summary of genesis and evolution given in the attached picture.




8. How do i know Evolution is not in agreement with the bible. At least one of my pastors said that i can believe in evolution as a christian.
Answer: Well it is either your pastor is deceived himself or he's lying or The Bible is lying. So you have to make a personal choice on what to believe and what not to believe. Either The Bible is a liar or Evolution is a liar



9. But Evolution cannot be lying, since a lot of people believe in it, there must be a mistake in the Bible then. Or is it possible for a lot of people to be wrong about the same thing.
Answer: If there is a mistake in the Bible concerning creation, then it means Christ Himself was lying when he said:

a. There was a beginning
b. The beginning was when creation occurred
c. Man and Woman were created in the beginning.


Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.




10. Well but how can we know that the bible said that God specifically created everything, what if everything actually evolved according to evolution and under the direction of God.
Answer: Once again, it is either God is lying or Evolution is a lie. This is because the Bible clearly shows and tells us that God created the Heaven and Earth, the bible did not say that God evolved the heaven and the earth.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,




11. But what if God used billions/millions of years to create the heaven and the earth, how can we be sure that God did not use billions and millions of years to evolve or create things.
Answer: That would make God a liar because the Bible clearly shows that God Himself specified, mentioned, qualified and emphasised[/b]that there was a difference between [b]night and day, so that we would clearly understand that he was talking about a "literal" 24 hour day (that contains both night and day) for each day of creation.


Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. A[b]nd the evening and the morning were the first day[/b].




12. Does it now mean you are trying to tell me that everything was created in 24hours literal days or something, I need proof, show me where the bible says that
Answer:


Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.





13. Wow, why should i trust and believe everything you have said.

Answer: You do not have to trust me as a person, you only need to study, read and confirm the truth for yourself in the Bible, hence why i have included biblical references so that you can cross check it yourself, independent of my own biased opinion.



14. Thank you
Answer: You are welcome.

@mantraa

Forgive me for being too logical but its plainly obvious which one came first.

The egg came millions of years before the chicken.

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hence going by your logic, we should be able to "scientifically" observe other present day reptiles (dinosaurs by the way) laying eggs that "somehow" magically produce chickens (other birds).

Wow, talk of illogical logic.

By the way mantraa, there is a hidden meaning and circular reasoning problem inherent in the chicken and egg problem:

1. The problem is that did a dinosaur give birth to a chicken egg or did a chicken give birth to a chicken egg, either way which one came first, , "is it the chicken egg or the chicken itself". So you see i am not asking whether or not dinosaurs produce eggs (that produce dinosaurs), the chicken and egg problem is completely different to what you are trying to talk about.

2. One of the competing theories about how birds "evolved" says that: "dinosaurs became birds because some dinosaurs were trying to jump over cliffs, hence they gradually grew feathers over time" , yes i know it sounds stupid to a scientific mind, but trust me that is exactly what one of the competing evolution hypothesis says, , by the way notice that this particular hypothesis does not even treat the problem of how eggs producing chickens came about.

So i ask again, which one came first, ""the chicken or the egg".

Since scientific observation started, A dog has ALWAYS produced a dog, A cow has always produce a cow, A man has always produce a man, i.e. A Kind of animal or man ALWAYS produces its own Kind.
The only time this logic is broken is if INTELLIGENCE (human intelligence) is used to inseminate one kind of animal's egg with another kind of animal's sperm, (something which is not evolution by the way since it did not happen by chance due to the presence of human intelligence). E.g. Humans mixing Tigers and Lions together to produce animal known as "Liger".

Am sorry Mantraa, if you feel enslaved by religion, that is exactly true, it is true that religion enslaves, however you are seeking freedom in the wrong place, Why did you think Christ Himself said to people that He's the Way, Truth and Life, meaning that:

1. the only means and way through which you can get to make sense of life and meaning of life and become free of all lies and thus ultimately know the truth is through Christ.
2. the only means you differentiate the truth from the lie is through Christ, because he himself is the truth, seeking truth somewhere else would only lead you into more confusion (e.g. the senselessness of evolution, am a scientist by heart and engineer by study and trust me i have been there and done that, hence i know evolution does not make any scientific sense whatsoever, the only reason its still surviving is because a lot of people who don't want to believe in God desperately want it to be true and unfortunately those same people are the people with the power and money that controls the scientific community, hence it is very easy to suppress and intimidate any dissenting voice, you'll be surprised that nothing is CERTAIN when it comes to evolution, everything keeps changing, yet even the simplest scientific questions still cannot be answered via evolution)
3. Life and assurance of life more abundantly is only possible through Christ, it is not possible through religion, neither is it possible through evolution, evolution has only brought about death and destruction (yes check your history, the only application of evolution so far is in Eugenics (systematic killing of so called weak and inferior people), racism and discrimination) , it even suprises me wen black people say they atheist and evolutionist, don't they realise that:
1. going by evolution itself Blacks are actually genetically superior to whites
2. evolution and racism is the basis used to say blacks are less intelligent than whites, yet history and science shows this to be quite the opposite , Greeks and Romans copied most of their so called science from Egypt (yes i know hollywood has tried to make egypt look white), you would hardly be able to find any historical record showing any black scientific achievements in our present day and time, because blacks we systematically erased from the record books or their inventions were register under white names. By the way even Philip Emeagwali (a black man , nigerian) , was replaced with a picture where a "white" magazine was replaced his black representation with a white one, WHY, yes we all know WHY)
3. there are many more examples detailing why evolution has no scientific basis,


Please don't leave one lie for another lie, sit down, stand back and examine and ask yourself the simple question:

1. Is evolution scientifically true or even sensible

or

2. Do you want evolution to be true by any means possible


Above all, that is why being a True Christian immediately makes you to understand that Christ was against religion and that being a Christian means you are also against religion. Christ, Paul, Peter and others were against religion of their days (saducees, pharasees, greeks religion and so on).
So jumping from one religion (Catholism, i.s.l.a.m, buddism, hinduism, voodoo, atheism, deism, weggan etc) to another one (evolution) in the name of trying to free yourself, is like self deceit, instead of being free, rather it sounds like you are merely replacing one lie for another.

All that you need is Christ, nothing more, once you study the Bible and trust only in the Bible and the Holy Spirit for intepretation, it becomes easy to see why religion is false, why religion enslaves people, those in atheism and evolution are mere just dumping one false religion for another one, simply because even science and scientific methods shows that Disney movies even make more sense than evolutionary theories/hypothesis.

Finally most scientists and engineers know that although the process of discovering scientific truth might be tough and difficult, yet ultimately, the best scientific answer is usually the simplest one, "funny how evolutionary answers keep getting complicated and convoluted which each passing day"

Adios,

Unfortunately, when it comes to evolution, there is always the archtypical "chicken and egg" problem, i.e. which one came first "the egg or the chicken", now in terms of your so called reference to definition of evolution, let's just same am going a step further by giving you the big picture of what it really means to say you believe in evolution.
Obvious problem is that once of the different stages of evolution is found to be impossible and illogical, then those other stages that come after it simply cannot exist or be logical also.

Different kind of evolution but all which are inevitably related because you cannot have one without the one before it:


1. Cosmic evolution - the origin of time, space, and matter

2. Stellar and planetary evolution - the origin of stars and planets

3. Chemical evolution - the origin of higher elements from hydrogen

4. Organic evolution - origin of life from inanimate matter

5. Macro-evolution - origin of major kinds

6. Micro-evolution - variations with kinds. (i.e. how a dog turns into another dog and how a man turns into another man, )


So you see

, without Cosmic evolution you cannot have Stellar evolution,
, likewise without Stellar evolution you cannot have Chemical Evolution,
, likewise without Chemical Evolution you cannot have Organic Evolution,
, likewise without Organic evolution you cannot have Macro-evolution,
, Likewise without Macro evolution you cannot have micro-evolution.

So you see my dear @huxley, when we talk about evolution it cannot be done in solation of biological evolution alone, it has to be done in context of the different stages of evolution simple because if "the egg does not exist, then how did you get the chicken or also you can say that if the chicken did not exist who then laid the egg."

So unfortunately for atheists discussions about evolution always boil down to the simple question:

1. How and why did the universe come to exist
2. How and why did life start.

Hence since evolutionist have invariably , decided to put God out of the equation, then they have to bear the burden of explaining those two simple questions stated above, thus that is why you cannot simply restrict yourself to mere variations within animals and plants of the same kind and then try to extrapolate that to mean the origin of life.

that aint possible, sorry.

@huxley,
1. , unfortunately your comments show that you have ignored the context of my post concerning how Atheism and Evolution have contributed to worst possible genocides known to man , yet probably not spoken about in the media (yes i mean the nausating genocide against Native Americans, Africans, Native Australians just to mention a few), hence the time frame context is actually related to recent memory and not to biblical history.

2. , notice that the time frame how Atheism and Evolution contributed to the issue of sufferings of black race was made within the context of the sadistic genocide of the things that Europeans did to Blacks (Native Australians, Native Americans, Africans) during the recent history. I have not referred to other cases of immorality or bad behaviour,

3. The context of the number of black people(Native Australians, Native Americans, Africans) that died  and perished at the hands of the European (under the pride and deception of White Supremacy) can be quantified in 100 millions, comparing that number to what happened during the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide et al makes what was done to black even look more mind bunglingly scandalous and barbaric,

4. I cannot say for 100% certainty whether or not Darwin was a racist or not , how recorded history shows that his "hypothesis" obviously contributed to racist policies and actions. Even True Christians are not christians because they have a perfect character, but rather because of the saving grace of Christ.

5.
   a. The scientist in me tells me that Mutation causes loss of information, yet for evolution to even start there must be a gain in information.
   b. How did "something" come from "nothing" we considering the evolution of the universe, yes I know about the Big Bang, still exactly where did the material that "big banged" come from, unless of course evolution now says there was never a beginning to start with.  
   c. At the beginning of evolution of life (whether you choose to start on planet earth or planet Krypton), however exactly did non-living material become a living material,   considering that we have a little problem known as "irreducible complexity"

6. I would henceforth stop responding to you , since i have noticed that you have resorted to name calling, cheap shots and insults , (something common with anybody who can no longer communicate a point in a civil and logical manner)

@toneyb
     

@huxley.

sounds like you are using the classical technique of "If u can't debunk the message, shoot the messenger, or start name calling", or character assasination, well frankly am not really suprised by your comments huxley, at least as an Atheist you don't really have a frame of reference for the definition of good or morals values since having good or moral values would mean you have to reference the Biblical values as the basis. Unless off course evolution has come up with an explanation of why there is good or bad or evil.

@posters
To the other individuals on this thread who are interested in knowing the difference between what the bible really says about Creation of Life , and what Atheists claim about Evolution of life from non-living material to living material, please take your time to compare and contrast the picture attached to this posting, (it was obtained from Answersingenesis), and i believe it gives a good summary of why someone CANNOT claim to be a True Christian who believes in the bible and at the same time claim to believe in evolution (as it is written, you cannot serve two masters, God Almighty or Devil / Self )

Also i want True Christians and people with a not yet hardened heart to understand that "unfortunately" this battle between Christ and Devil (Truth against Lies, Creation against Evolution) would be fought in the minds and society of Men until Christ comes , hence True Christians need to understand that this is not a sprint, it is a marathon for the souls of men, hence since Atheist, Agnostics, Evolutionist, Peadophiles, Occults, War Mongers, Neo Cons, Racists are the ones who control the world and the affairs of the world right now, then it means that the ride is bound to be rough for a while for True Christians.
However we just need to understand that saving a soul is not our job, that's the Holy Spirit's job, our own job is to preach the gospel and always make we tell the truth even if people don't like or want to hear it for their own selfish or demon possessed reasons. We need to take it one person at a time,

Adios,

@Lady,

By the way you said and i quote:

Most Jews also know that the account in Genesis isn't literal and that the days could very much mean ages.

Most of the people today calling themselves Jews today DO NOT HAVE ANY BLOOD RELATION OR CONNECTION TO THE ISREALITES OF THE BIBLE, since you have decided to reference and make the basis of your argument.

Majority of the people calling themselves to be Jews today, are actually people known as the Ashkenazi Jews (also known as Khazars), so it begs the question how can you reference people as a source of your information and basis for biblical understanding when.

1. The Bible says , the job of making True Christians under stand the bible is that of the Holy Spirit.

2. When most of those people who call themselves Jews today are actually not the Biblical Jews of the bible, which means if they can't be trusted to be telling the truth about their real ethnic ancestory how come you are now trusting them to interprete the bible for you when clearly it is not actually their job to do so.

3. Infact don't you realise that Moses had to be someone with black skin (i.e. a Black Man, Negro, Blackee which ever one you wish to call him) considering that he was brought up in the house of Pharaoh as an egyptian even while isrealites had already started to suffer persecution from the egyptians, he was mistaken for an egyptian by the daugthers of his father inlaw when he fled Egypt after killing the egyptian and also considering that the family of Isreal ( i.e. Jacob) were mistaken for Egyptians when they were on the procession to bury the dead during the time of Joseph before Moses. Yes Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Egypt was essentially a Black Man's Civilisation (yes the Arabs in Egypt today are mere intruders and trespassers just as Europeans who colonised American are not the original owners of America)  


Exodus 2:11  And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
Exodus 2:12  And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
Exodus 2:13  And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
Exodus 2:14  And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
Exodus 2:15  Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.






Exodus 2:17  And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.
Exodus 2:18  And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
Exodus 2:19  And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.



Gen 50:7  And Joseph went up to bury his father: and with him went up all the servants of Pharaoh, the elders of his house, and all the elders of the land of Egypt,
Gen 50:8  And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
Gen 50:9  And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
Gen 50:10  And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.
Gen 50:11  And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This is a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which is beyond Jordan.


4. Paul himself was mistaken for an Egyptian (a black man) by the certain people during his time.


Act 21:37  And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
Act 21:38  Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
Act 21:39  But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.



5. God Himself refered to the Isrealites as a people that are like the Ethiopians,


Amos 9:7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?


Don't believe everything you see on television, don't believe everything you have been told since childhood, come out of the Catholic Church and ask God for help to save you and help you see the light, continued alliance with the catholic church would only end with eternal bad news, nothing good can come of the devil,

So I beg you please don't make mere fallible men your reference point about issues related to spiritual importance which have eternal ramifications , instead focus on THE BIBLE as the ONLY reference point.

St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas did not teach evolution, now that is a fact, they're two of my favorite saints and I know their writings.

, I am basically cringing by the mere fact that you are worshipping (honouring or whatever names you people catholics try to call it) images of mere men that died a long time ago, of whom you have absolutely no idea whether or not they are going to make it into heaven or not, Frankly i don't give a hoot whether or not Aquinas or Augustine taught or did not evolution, the opinion or actions of men is irrelevant in the big scheme of things, the most important opinion in any situation is God's Opinion, which the bible clearly shows us.

Wow, its seems your opinion is greater or more important than the Word of God, i still can't stop cringing, its scares me to even realise that you yourself don't even realise the gravity and spiritual serious of your statement and action quoted above:


Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;



1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?



1. Christ did not tell Christ to have a Patron Saint (that is a lie of catholism idolatory), so please enough of these catholic nonsense about Eucharist, Transubstantiation,Purgatory, Patron Saints, Their Lady of Apparation or whatever, FOCUS ON WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS,
2. God did not ask us to bow down to any image of Mary or Christ in fact He made it the first information available to us that we MUST not bow down to ANY image whether in heaven or earth or anywhere else for that matter,


@Lady, you are left with a choice, its either Christ is lying (by everything the Bible says which contradicts the catholic church) or the Catholic Church is lying , end of story,


Geezz, , I am basically still cringing from the ramification of your statement, it shows a deep rooted level of catholic deception and indoctrination,

Olaadegbu

Actually there is reference in the Bible as to the days not being actual days as a ages in the sight of man is a day for the Lord. I'll have to find that verse for you. Most Jews also know that the account in Genesis isn't literal and that the days could very much mean ages.

Wow now you are calling Christ Himself [/b]a liar, I AM SIMPLY ASTOUNDED THAT PEOPLE CAN SINCERELY LOOK THEMSELVES IN THE MIRROR AND THEN START CLAIMING THAT GOD DID NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID IN GENESIS AS PER CREATION.

Christ Himself said and confirmed in verses quoted below that in the [b]beginning God created [/b]Man in His own image, [b]Christ did not say God evolved man, also Christ did not say man evolved without God.


Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.


So my dear Sister you simply have to choose what to believe you cannot continue to sit on the fence and continue to claim, ignorance while you are being fed with deception and lies. its funny that you claim to believe in Christ yet at the same time you believe in evolution as propagated by the catholic church (which in itself is calling Christ a liar).
Makes you wonder how different you, atheist, evolutionist and catholic church are from the person or angel that has been calling God Almighty a liar since the beginning of creation, Yes, you got it the Devil,

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Notice in the genesis verse quoted above that the devil was invariably calling God a liar by quoting God and then implying that God was wrong,

So @Lady, enough of the bull, you really need to ask yourself whether or you want to continue in self deception and deceit, (remember we would not be judged based on what say others did, but rather based on our own choices, ) ,

The Bible and Christ makes it VERY VERY CLEAR that the whole universe created in Six Literal 24 hour days, there is not contextual nonsense with that, unless off course you choose to believe a lie. (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)

1. Stop all these NONSENSE OF LITERAL MEANING AND CONTEXTUAL MEANING, THE BIBLE MAKES ITSELF VERY VERY CLEAR WHENEVER A CONTEXTUAL MEANING IS IMPLIED, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THE BIBLE ALSO MAKES ITSELF VERY VERY CLEAR WHENEVER A LITERAL MEANING IS IMPLIED,

May God Almighty forgive, you and help you come out of her (the catholic church) ( [b]Rev 18:4 [/b]And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. ), since it seems you are hell bent on defending your catholic faith (no matter what), despite that past and present history shows that the catholic church and its pronoucements and actions are completely against THE BIBLE and THE TRUTH AS CLEARLY REVEALED IN THE BIBLE.

By the way Evolution is not even a theory in the scientific sense of the word theory (I am a PHD Engineering student so please don't even try to trip when it comes to science or engineering),

A Theory is something that is duplicatable and repeatable so that it can be tested by independent parties to find out whether or not its true or not,

unfortunately, Evolution is not repeatable and neither is it duplicatable , rather evolution is an hypothesis dependent on the subjective reasoning and interpretation of atheists that are desperately looking for a way and every means possible to take God Almighty out of the equation. Hence why your so called Catholic Church "endorsed" evolution is not even science in the first place,

Also WHY for goodness sake would a sane person (who claims to be concerned for the spiritual well being of another person) decide to allow that person to believe in something that is both contradictory and unproven scientifically, yet that is exactly what the Catholic church seems to be doing to the already deceived and captive catholics and other unbelievers around the world.

If you still can't still see the big picture that what is happening is simply a means to take people away from the TRUE GOD of THE BIBLE, worshipped by TRUE CHRISTIANS (not catholics by the way), I am sorry but it seems you starting to go in too deep for your own good.

@Horus, by the way, off course history shows that Atheism and Evolution were at the foundation of the genocides committed against the black race, the number and extent of genocide committed against the black man in the name of evolution is ming-bungling, the German/Jewish Holocaust pales into insignificance when compared to what has  been done to the black man and what is still being done. One simply has to question the sanity of the kind of mind that can look at someone and then just declare based on skin color that one is a beast , while another is a beauty in evolutionary terms.
it even becomes more ridiculous when one considers that White men are even scientifically genetically inferior to the black man (their attributes are recessive when compared to the genes of the black man) hence why they are plagued with a myriad of medical and ageing problems that sound ridiculous when compared to how healthy your average black man is genetically.

Evolutions (most of whom were all White men in the beginning by the way) claimed that Blacks (Native Australians, Africans and some Native Americans (yes there we blacks native to America even before columbus dreamt of making the journey)).

Before i used to question why did God Almighty say that even future generations get punished for the sins of their fathers, I came to understand that statement recently, because I realised that:

1. Present day Whites are actually actively benefitting from the fruits of the genocides and robbery committed by the fore fathers on Native Americans, Native Australians and Africans, hence it does not really matter whether or not they pretend not to support what happened in the past and neither does it really matter that they pretend not to benefit, the truth still remains that they are benefiting from the bloodshed against Blacks (Native Australians, Africans and some Native Americans) on the basis of Evolution and Greed.

2. People who support and believe in Evolution are invariably and indirectly saying that they believe in the foundation evolution, simply because if the foundation of evolution is not true (i.e. man developed from beast, hence blacks are closer to beast) then it means everything evolution stands for crumbles to the ground. Hence invariably also it means that those people who beleive that foundation also end up being qualified for the wrath of God as spoken about punishing future generations for the sins of the father.

3. History of Ancient Black civilisations (Egypt, Olmecs, Nubia etc) shows that their contact with "Caucus mountain cave dwelling white men, were usually not destructive to the race of white men ,despite that the opportunity was there, yet current history shows that hundreds of millions of people (mostly black men) were either wiped out or completely robbed and subjucated whenever they come in contact with White men, (goes to show that the colours of the skin is completely different from the colour of the heart) (Some Native American people and Native Australian people were completely wiped out upon contact with White men , who simply wanted to take over their land and resources while at the same time using evolution as a excuse).

It is funny that a long time ago , when people were still deceived and ignorant, the bible was used to justify genocide and robbery of blacks , however once people stated realising that the bible was against it, some white men obvious had to find refuge in the development of evolution so that any inhibition brought about by the bible can simply be overcome via the use of the "survival of the fitest theory of evolution",

All that can be said is that its unfortunate that so many people are being condemned to eternal suffering in the lake of fire, and are also being subjected to present day deception and delusion by the theories (conflicting versions) of evolution which says "A Frog can indeed turn into a Man" (so long as you give it millions of years to evolve into different missing links which themselves have remained missing   )

, thank God at least these Atheist keep proving to the public that they are now coming out of the closet , by making public their Hero Worship,

Good to know that the Cult of Atheism, Evolution and Environmentalism, is in full swing, at least right now we know they now have 200 years of organised Atheistic religion,

Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, (from what), lies of evolution, missing missing-links and organised religion known as Atheism.

Thank God for Christ, at least each man is now gradually going to his own tent, those for God should stand for Him , while those for Atheism have being doing so even in the face of contradictory scientific evidence.

1. The best way to deceive people is to mix the truth together with the lie, hence that way people who don't search the scriptures like the Berean would end up being deceived. (hence the devil can use the toga of the word "church" within the name of the catholic church to deceive people with evolution so that those who are not interested in learning the truth by themselves end up being deceived by the criteria of the "multitude is right". Fortunately as far as God Almighty is concerned, the multitude is not right, so long as the multitude goes against The Bible.

2. Whether or not the Catholic Church says something is so and so is really irrelevant, because True Christians do not answer to the Catholic Church, rather, True Christians are guided by the Spirit of God Almighty Himself (Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. ).

3. The Catholic Church is a Idol Worshipping Political organisation masquerading as a Church, hence it is in their interest to promote the idea of Evolution so that they would be accepted by everyone, thus make themselves look righteous and scientific and thus continue to reap the benefits (financial and political) of maintaining control over a lot of deceived people (black and white). I am just sorry and sad for the different past and present generations of individuals and families that have been condemned to the Lake of Fire via the past and present deception of the Apostate Church known as the Catholic Church, using different things like :

a. Idol worship of Mary and Jesus (against the commandments of God Almighty) the colour of those statues is irrelevant (

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

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b. Falsely claiming they have the power of forgiveness of sins against God Almighty (i am not talking about forgiving each other for wrong-doing by the way ) which belongs to no man that himself needs salvation.

c. Participating in genocides, bloodsheds and massacres against different races of men over the past centuries of their existence (The Crusades, World Wars, Deception of Missionaries in Africa and America to take over their resources and lands)

d. Continued deception and brainwashing of the race of Black Men in conivance with the powers that be via the use of "White Caucasian Images of Christ, Mary and Apostles" despite that the bible clearly shows that the Isrealites (i.e. Christ, Paul, Moses etc) were actually people similar to black men such as the Ethiopians.) - check your bible for confirmation (Amos 9:7, Acts 21:37-39, Exodus 2:16-19, Genesis 42:1-8) and stop believing what you see on television . Hence by so doing the Catholic Church contributed to the genocide, denegradation of hundreds of millions of black skin people over the couple of hundreds if not thousands of years.

e. Specifically going against the Word of God by changing the contents of the Bible and the 10 commandments so that people would not know that they are committing sins of idolatory.

f. Finally it must be understood that in this time and age, the Catholic Church is the third part of the New World Order (the 3 Country States controlling the world are 1. Washington DC (yes, its not actually a state in the USA, its actually independent of USA) - Military Power 2. City of London (its bears the name London, but its not actually part of London itself, neither is it part of the UK, its a completely standalone state by itself) - Financial Power 3. Vatican City (that one needs no introduction ) - Religious power )seeking to dominate and control the lives of every single person on the face of the planet ,

So therefore, i am not suprised that Vatican has decided to support Evolution, its simply a political move meant to protect their interest and give them a certain leverage, hence lying and supporting evolution is really the least of the things they are guilty of, considering that simply another scheme of theirs to maintain control and influence in the big scheme of things.

@dnex @Raymond88 , yes Global Warming is a Scam , (how funny CNN, BBC and others call Nigerians 419ers) , Also please note that actually those people are not crazy, as a matter of fact they completely know what they are doing. The people that don't know what they are doing is actually the general public that has been duped into doing and saying things that support their ideas.
The sad thing is that the same people promoting the global warming scam are also the same people controlling the media, the politicians and the money, hence it has made it very difficult for the general public to hear the truth about the Global Warming Scam.
Thank God Almighty for the internet (which is also slowly being censured by the way),
Al Gore and is other politics oriented scientists have either refused to debate the issue of global warming or flat out ignored a large number of scientists that oppose the idea, (the list of scientist who oppose global warming can be obtained here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php?run=all
The only option that remains now is to start informing people in the world one by one about the lies and dangers of the global warming scam, letting people know what it is about, who is behind it and why they are promoting such a scam even in the face of science which opposes it.

Unfortunately, there are Nigerians still suffering from inferiority complex, hence they are supporting the global warming hype and scam because they feel they need to do something that sounds laudable (e.g. all the rubbish environmental NGOs that we have in Nigeria today) in other to try to feel among. Little do they know that they are completely wrong and that. How wrong are they once they realise that Global Warming is just another scam (like the scam of global proportions in which some deceived or self serving pastors and the catholic church have been claiming (contrary to the Bible .Amos 9:7, Acts 21:37-39, Exodus 2:16-19, Genesis 42:1-8. ) that Christ was a White Man, that has been used to brainwash and take advantage of people for centuries, makes you laugh when you realise that it means Christ would have been seriously "sun-burnt" since he was living in a sunny region of the earth known as Isreal).

It is easy for us Nigerians (due to our own national experiences) to know and understand that they (Obama, Bush, Al Gore, Clinton, Rothschild's family, Kissinger, Dupont's family, Onasis's family, Kennedy's family, Collins's family et al) are all birds of the same feather who are just interested in money, how to make more of it and how to further enslave everybody (yes every single human being on the planet) so as to guarantee their continued dominance. I just feel sorry for those people who have become deceived by the Obama hype, what people don't realise that is that Most (if not all) politicians (like Obama, Bush, Clinton) that get into position of power are mere puppets of the real rulers that pull their strings in the background (why did you think Lincoln, JF Kenney, Woodrow Wilson etc were killed while they were US Presidents). Hence why you would notice that important policy implementation by Obama, Bush, Clinton et al are actually the same its only a brainwashing by the Mass Media that makes people think Democrats are different from Republicans, or that PDP is different from AC or ANPP or whatever, they are the same, they are either working for the themselves or the same Masters (New World Order).

Unfortunately, these Masters (New World Order) are the ones (through their puppets such as Al Gore and others) making sure that people pay tax (to them i.e. because they are the ones printing money literarily out of thin air, please find out the origins and meanings of Federal Reserve and different Central Banks to understand this connection) for every conceivable and stupid thing in the world. Hence don't be suprised that they have now decided to introduce the additional taxes such as Carbon Tax and Cow Fart Tax,

The unfortunate thing is that a lot of sadistic things have been done by these group of people both in the US, Africa and the whole world over the past 500 years (Yes check your historical records, most european royal families are actually blood relatives, infact even Hitler is a blood relative of the Rothchild family of England ) , what people (Atheists, Environmentalists, NGOs, Evolutionists et al) don't understand is that world events and ideas (World Wars, Crusades, Gulf War, War on Terror) don't just occur by chance, rather those things are events orchestrated by these same people and their families ( over different generations). They have always being the people making the policies and ruling the world either through proxies such as communism, capitalism, fascism, Nazism, European Royal families, Catholism or even I.s.l.a.m (research the connection between islam and catholic church) (Above all you can find out whether or not these statement are true by checking out about publically available facts about the New World Order in History).

The more i research about these people the scary it gets, because the more i realise how hopeless the common man is, in fact the more I realise that the only hope we have of changing back the hands of time is by Divine intervention (God Almighty Himself), simply because these group of people are the same people that control the Money, the Guns and the Religions. Hence any attempt to oppose them only ends in mass murder and death of those people in opposition (e.g. why MILLIONS of Native Australians, Native Americans, Native Asians, Africans, Chinese (yes find out about the Chinese Opium wars who are all not white by the way, were killed and slaughtered by these people and their generations despite that they were being robbed of their land, resources and properties at the point of the gun). Even the native English are not being ruled by their own blood, (yes the british royal family are actually Germans masquerading as british, check your history)

It becomes more scary when people realise that they (New World Order) are slowly and secretly imposing various forms of unjust and ludicrous taxes, to which most people don't even know or to which most people slow adjust to without actually realising that they are being slowly cooked to death under the burden of debt and taxation. As they say "If you put a frog in boiling water, it would immediately jump out, however if you put the frog in a normal room temperature water and then slowly and gradually increase the temperature of the water, the frog would be boiled to death without even realising it".

It makes one to start feeling hopeless when one does the research and actually realise that things are not actually what they seem to be,

So above all, this issue of Global Warming is merely another means through which additional taxation is being introduced , unless of course people wake up and realise that they are mortgaging their own future and that of the future generations (if there's going to be any at all going by the recent events).

Global Warming is a Fraud
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Recent events and information coming from dissenting voices of Scientists against global warming and also the chain effect of the use of global warming in the determination of policies that would bring about a global taxation of people of all nations and finally the refusal of Al Gore and other Politicians affiliated to the New World Order makes it obvious that Global Warming is nothing more than another scheme meant to further enslave Developing nations and free minded and debt-free individuals.
NOT one global warming supporter has been able to scientifically proof that global warming is real and true,
As a matter of fact all publicaly reviewed data shows that the earth is actually cooling down, i.e. the earth is getting colder globally.
One fact remains Climate as ALWAYS being changing hence there are periods of hot climate or cold climate over the history of man (bet u don't even know that there was a period in history of Europe when the temperatures we much warmer than we have today).
Yes we need to develop technologies that would stop production of pollutants, yes we need to develop technologies that would reduce our dependence on oil. Yes we need to develop technologies that would make energy as free as possible.
However what we do not need to do is to continue peddling that lie that Global Warming is happening or that air pollution is the same thing as the lie of global warming.

1. A Room can be polluted and cold at the same time, thus the presence of pollutants or poisinous gases in the air we breathe is not a reason for warming, so please pollution is not the same thing as global warming, please don't be deceived.
The bottom line of what Al Gore and his other people are trying to do is that they simply want to introduce TAX , (which they have choose to call Carbon Tax), because they somehow claim that "Carbondioxide (which is a food for plants and something we breathe out)" has all of a sudden become a pollutant that causes global warming.

2. The other planets in the solar system (where there is obviously nobody living there to produce CO2) are also getting warmer, so does that mean they are also experiencing global warming, lol

3. Al Gore and his people have simply refused to have a scientific debate about Global Warming, instead they are using government power and circular reasoning to claim that the issue is already final and that it does not need a debate.

4. Al Gore has become much much richer since he began the global warming propaganda, (doesn't that smell like a typical corrupt nigerian politician)

5.Thousands of Notable scientist have voiced their dissent and opposition the scam of global warming.

One thing we Nigerians have to realise and understand is that :

a. The New World Order (via the UN,WHO,WTO,NATO,EU,Illuminati,Free Mason, SKull and Bones, Bilderberg, Carlye Group) is looking for every means possible to make every single human being in the world to pay them taxes for anything imaginable (hence why they are started proposing taxes for COW FART i.e. whenever a cow messes up or fouls the air the owner must pay tax, yes funny and ridiculous, but trust me its true, search the web yourself, )

b. The New World Order (which unfortunately is predominantely a white supremacist organisation) is trying to make sure other nations or people do not develop technologically hence the reason why you find that they are using organisations such as WTO, IMF, WORLD BANK, WHO, IPCC to impose taxes and laws that are against the interest of developing nations.

Finally please don't take my word for all that i have said above, kindly do your own research so as to convince yourself that what i am saying is true,