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1.No fear in ANY issue

2)Love in ALL issues

my physical father isn't,by the way.THANK GOD

, an oxymoron , if there ever was one,

hmm, the phrase "spare the rod, spoil the child comes up", , funny though, i never hear a child who loves the rod or the person holding the rod.

Let me guess, u never even feared your earthly father even while growing up as a child right, (current state of mind shows why)


talk about bold faced untruths ,

1. Yes u now respect him (ur earthly father) because u now understand why he did what he did why u were still young
2. Yes True Bible believers who have been saved grow and learn (like children) hence the occurence of "biblical fear" during the process of growth into spiritual adults (after which we now understand why we feared in the first place, after which the fear turns into respect and ultimately into obedience in certain cases)

jagunlabi:
Quite the contrary,madam osisi,the preaching of fear is the number one sign of an evil church.Why preach fear of a god that is supposed to be loving?How do you do the calculations?To fear a god and love that same god at the same time.Absolute bullocks!It can't be done.You either fear god or love god, because they are two opposites.

@Jagunlabi, ask yourself the question:


1. Do you fear your earthly physical father in certain issues.

2. Do you love your earthly physical father in certain issues.

3. Do you respect your earthly physical father in certain issues.

4. Do you realise that to certain people and under certain circumstances, fear, respect, love can be misintepreted to mean the same thing or opposite of each other, hence are invariably related to the issue of obedience.

5. @Jagunlabi, Why then does it sound so difficult for you to understand that its possible to love, fear and respect the Heavenly Father of the Bible (creator of Heaven and Earth in 6 literal days) all at the same time.

6. @Jagunlabi, Why then does it sound so difficult for you to understand what Osisi is talking about.

7. Osisi abeg keep up the good work jare, i have likewise lost respect for a lot of our so called churches, (i recently sent an email to a number of different pastors of two churches i respected, trying to get some clarifications on some fundamental questions about an important issue in the bible, to my suprise non of them has yet to respond till now , )

arramyjay:
Why are following my posts?

1. Because I can

2. Because I want to

3. Because I saw your profile pic before you changed it,

hmmm, what other confession am i forgetting, , does that answer your question,

@arramjay

Think what u like.But to tell you I will rather be a MUSLIM.

Give me a chance to convince you otherwise, ( don't start having bad/unholy ideas now u hear , i mean a chance to convince you why not to remain a muslim better still you can give me an anonymous email or blog (my anonzmous email address is No2Atheism@gmail.com) through which you can ask your questions about Islam and the bible and hopefully i would be able to give you simple and concrete answers, ) This is because i understand the depth of brainwashing and consequence of apostacy in islam, hence its understandable if u are not willing to ask truthful questions in public.

, later @arramjay,

arramyjay:
South Africa.

, u are joking right,
south africa my A**

arramyjay:
Off with you.

, because i said what or wait don't tell me you are also a muslim (how sad ), now i had to "delete any/all ideas", 

@No2Atheism , why don't you leave Islam alone and focus on those who neither know Islam nor Christianity. Those that will completely perish that have choosen devil as their master.

Anyway am not Davidylan.

but know ye that Islam must remain islam, as Egypt remain Egypt while Jacob is Isreal.

Maykelly how you dey, longtime (how port-harcourt, hope the Mend people never mend you sha), i hope you have destroyed your attachement to the catholic church.

anyway sha, i can't leave islam alone for the simple reason that each of us is giving different talents and purposes as such we are granted different understanding via which are jobs to evangelise is brought about in diffferent ways,

1. I have been given a priviledged understanding of what islam is , how it propagates and why it propagates, (my maternal grandparents are muslim hence i have a little bit of insight into how the system works, and i have done a little of information gathering myself hence their is a need to divulge such information).

2. remember it is written that "come let us reason together" , evangelising is not only by trying to go out to "preach to people" its also by telling them the truth about their state. For example you cannot be a friend of a thief if you don't tell him/her what he/she is doing is wrong, because what some of us need sometimes is just someone to give us missing information. Likewise a parent does not spare the rod with a child because the parent loves the child, parents that spare the rod usually end up with children that dislike them for not doing their best to training them in the best possible way,

3. it is written that "he that knoweth how to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin", hence it would be sinful for me not to reveal information and understanding about the lies and deceit of islam to everyone when i know that information is going to help some brainwashed individuals in islam to understand and see why they need to come out of her before its too late,

@arramyjay, sounds like someone is having second thoughts by changing their profile picture,

in a another thread you refer to the wester nations as christian nations that can ' wipe out all muslim nations' if they so choose.

Just pointing out the blindingly obvious in that the muslim nations and world are benefitting from the fact that Bible beleivers cannot retaliate otherwise most muslims would not even be alive to shout "allahu [i]is not [/i]arkbar".

By the way stick to the point of this thread, or better still go and tell who deleted the other theads to quickly come and delete this one while you still have the chance to do so,

So why is the thread addressed to Davidylan?
What are you two? Brothers in arms?

Yes,

And I thought using the word F**k was unchristian. . .

Hence why i was using a censored version (f**k),

@arramyjay

arramyjay:
Good,learn to tolerate other religion.

Which kind of utter rubbish statement is this that you just spoke @arramjay, who is showing intolerance, PLEASE DON'T F**KIN TELL ME THAT I WAS CENSORED BECAUSE I WAS INTOLERANT, IF YOU DO SO THEN IT SEEMS YOU HAVE A BLOODY SHITTY SENSE OF LOGIC, considering the following:



A NON-MUSLIM DARE NOT GO TO SAUDI-ARABIA AND PRACTISE HIS/HER FAITH , YET MUSLIMS HAVE FREE ACCESS IN THE WESTERN CIVILISATION, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS F**KIN INTOLERANT,

PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS BEING INTOLERANT, THE PERSON BEING CENSORED OR THE PERSON DOING THE CENSORING,


i have simply had enough of this bloody double standard from Nairaland, If Muslims are so lilly livered then they should get the hell off the bloody forumn, instead of censoring opposite opinions that inherently expose their lies.

How many times have you seen a bloody bible believer trying to censor what a muslim can or cannot say,


1. How can your bloody mind even tell you that speaking the truth is a form of intolerance (where the heck did you get that bloody idea from), speaking the truth is exactly what it sounds like, THE TRUTH.

2. How many times have you seen a True Bible believer actively discriminating and disenfranchising a muslim despite that we have the power and opportunity to do so.

3. Do you even realise that if Bible believers choose to attack and discriminate against muslims like they have been discriminating against non-muslim, NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM NATION WOULD STILL REMAIN STANDING, (Nuclear WarHeads in Britian alone is enough to wipe out all muslim civilisations talkless of US, France or Russia). Yet by sheer sense of madness muslims keep showing their intolerance to people speaking the truth about their religion, either by killing , genocide or censorship.

How can Sudan be part of the Arab League, yet Arabs are in the minority. How come!?. Well that is simple because Arabs are in control of the government (How is that so you might ask, frankly i also have absolutely no idea).

Sudan's main export i.e. crude oil is situated in the lands of the Black Africans Sudanese, hence not only are Arabs colonising and robbing Africans of their lands, they are also stealing their natural resource.

The following population census data would make you understand why Black African Muslims are traitors against their own African blood relation in Sudan (i.e. the Sudanese Black African Muslims) despite that all Africans come from the same bloodline in contrast to the Arabs who come from a completely different bloodline. because they refuse to support their blood but instead are keeping quiet by supporting the Arab Muslims in the genocide against the Sudanese Black African Muslims.

Sudan's Population consist of

- 69% Black African Sudanese
- 31% Arab Sudanese and other minorities.


I really wish that the Messiah would come quickly because a lot of defenceless people are really being cheated of their land, live and heritage by either the West or the Islamic World (evil people and evil bloodlines) doing things that are pure evil. THIS IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF, because Bible believers cannot retaliate for anything (its sin and not permitted in the bible) hence Arabs and Muslims are always at an advantage when it comes to genocide and violence. I am basically fuming right now,

Now i understand why part of the reason Isaac was chosing over Ishmeal,

I have completely lost any form of respect for any black african muslim, for the mere fact that they are simply standing around doing nothing for their fellow Africans in Sudan, yet they seem to willing to go an die for the same arabs against america and the jews. How hypocritical and stupid and clueless can they be before they open their eyes,

The annoying thing is that these Arabs are supposed to be descendants of an Egyptian Mother (i.e. Hagar the mother of Ishmeal), Hagar was an Egyptian (Egyptians are supposed to be black skin being descendants of Ham i.e. Egyptians are actually Africans just like the Nubians - Black African Sudanese). Hence Arabs doing all these evil to the Black African Sudanese are merely only committing genocide against their distance cousins from the mother side of Ishmeal.

It is really makking my blood boil that Whites and Arabs seem to be gettting away with all these evil and atrocities against the Black African, without even showing any kind of remorse, yet the Arab League has the audacity to make it look like Sudan is an Arab country being bullied by the west.

Olabowale, babs787, yousouph, Lagosboy et al, you have all completely lost any little bit of respect that i had for you, how can you people and other black muslims just sit around doing nothing, despite that your fellow black africans in sudan are being robbed of their land, resources and property and heritage by the arabs who invaded their land and are thus controlling their country.

I just noticed that two of the threads that i recently created, which details how islam and mohammed is contradicting itself via quotations and so on , has just been deleted.

Wow these muslims would do anything to protect their false religion, it seems they would even go as far as trying cover up their lies even on nairaland.

They could no longer bear the fact that i was trying to use their own quran and quotes related to them to expose them.

This was exactly the same nonsense that made me uninterested in nairaland again a year ago,

Anyway sha, no wahala,


Seun how come this kind of nonsense is still occuring in nairaland, how come certain things are being censored when it is obvious that those things being censored are true and undeniable, doesn't that show that muslims have something to hide, and doesn't that amount to abuse of authority of either the moderators or administrators,

As far as i can remember they were even the ones using foul language, instead i was trying my best to use their own quotes and words against them,

I really pity this world, cus it seems even the educated ones amongst the muslims does not want to know the truth,

I am of the strong believe that blacks can perform shoulder to shoulder with the whites. We were enslaved because of our lack of awareness(education) at that time. Presently, we have gotten the education necessary to take us higher. Our problem now is our leaders who have failed to actualise and strive for the identity of our human persons. Corrupt leadership is ruining Africa. It is a shame that our leaders steal our monies and go to build mansions in the West or bank the monies there.

Sorry is useless ,  and it would not be enough.

Sorry only means something if the person saying sorry actually means it,

A robber is only seen to be repentant if he/she decides to stop benefitting from stolen property directly. (yes there are some indirect benefits that are impossible to stop benefitting from because they represent actions that cannot be reversed because their present indirect effect).


Hence since the Western civilisation is built on the "Blood" and ""Back" of people of colour, and since the Western civilisation is still exploiting the resources of people of color and is still benefitting from past exploitation of the people of color, we really need to understand that "they are not repentant" hence any form of sorry would be useless and unnecessary.

What Africa and the black man needs to do is to do what China and Japan did (even after the Opium Wars and the World Wars).

Africa needs to close itself up, and start developing educationnally, technologically and militarily so that we would reach a point which we would be able to stand up to the West in every way and every form.


THE WEST WOULD NEVER WANT AFRICA TO BE FREE, it is in their interest if we are not.
THE WEST WOULD NEVER WANT AFRICA TO BE SELF RELIANCE, it is in their interest if we are not.
THE WEST WOULD NEVER WANT AFRICA TO BE DEVELOPED, it is in their interest if we are not.
THE WEST IS USUALLY INVOLVED IN STOKING AND SUSTAINING CORRUPTION IN COUNTRIES THAT THEY TRY TO CONTROL OR DESTABILIZE
THE WEST IS THE ONE REALLY CONTROLLING THE DRUG TRADE ,  (what better way to be a drug baron than to actually create and use Government and Drug Agencies to control who or who does not get drugs, read up on CIA and DEA)

DO YOU THINK ITS POSSIBLE FOR A COMMON MAN TO STEAL MONEY AND STORE THE STOLEN WEALTH IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, THEN HOW COME DO YOU THINK ITS EASY FOR CORRUPT AFRICAN LEADERS TO PILLAGE THEIR COUNTRY AND THEN KEEP THE STOLEN WEALTH ABROAD, WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT OF THE WEST.

AFRICA IS SHIT BECAUSE THE WEST WANTS AND ALLOWS IT TO BE SHIT,

AN ITEM IS ONLY ATTRACTIVE FOR A THIEF TO STEAL SO LONG AS IT HAS A GOOD MARKET VALUE, TAKE AWAY THE MARKET FOR THE ITEM, THEN U ULTIMATELY MAKE THE ITEM SAVE TO OWN, BECAUSE THEIVES WOULD NO LONGER BE INTERESTED IN STEALING IT.  THE WEST HAS THE MILITARY AND POLITICAL POWER TO TAKE AWAY THE MARKET AND ISSUES THAT ALLOWS PROBLEMS AND CORRUPTION TO THRIVE IN AFRICA, YET THEY DO NOTHING, BECAUSE IT IS IN THEIR INTEREST FOR THE STATUS QUO TO CONTINUE.


AFRICA NEEDS TO GET ITS ACTS TOGETHER AND FLUSH OUT THE BAD EGGS WITHIN ITSELF, AND START TAKING STEPS TO DEVELOP AND TAKE BACK WHAT BELONGS TO HER, OTHERWISE WE WOULD FOREVER BE A SLAVE TO THE WEST.


1. Slavery was partly possible because there were African kings and chiefs who willingly sold their own people into slavery, resistance would have gone a long way to stem slavery, e.g. Ethiopia resisted italian attempts to impose themselves on them,
Slavery was also partly intentionally done by the West and also partly as a result of naivety and lack of a global understanding by the then African Kings and Chiefs, otherwise there would have been a concerted effort to fight off the Western Nations during the time that slavery was beginning.

When Africa was dominating (Egypt and Nubia) they made a positive effect on the cave dwelling Caucasians people (and gave them development without wiping them out),

Yet when Whites are now dominating , Caucasians have mainly brought lies, genocide, manipulations and war into the midst of the black man.


2. Some of our African leaders are inherently evil and without understanding (understanding has nothing to do with formal education, a professor can still be very stupid) are members of african secret societies.


3. Some of these african secret societies are being controlled by their Western versions (e.g. illuminati and free masons and skull and bones).


4. West itself is being controlled by the New World Order (a collection of elite people, families and secret societies) that control other secret societies, UN, CFR, US, EU, Britian, WHO, WTO.

5. The West does not want any other civilisation to develop (e.g. why they are doing everything possible to undermine China, Iran, Venezuela and Bolivia) because development of other races and nations of people means that they would no longer have resources to steal or people to sell their goods and services to or they would no longer be able to dominate those nations like before.



- you only have to study history to find out how much China has suffered at the hands of the West for you to understand why China is behaving the way they are behaving when it comes to trying to make itself a military super power as fast as possible.

- Venezuela, Bolivia, Iran and co are being villified (yes i know they are not saints themselves) because it is dangerous to world domination of the West for Venezuela, Iran, Bolivia and others are trying to succeed at hence why you see the western media doing its best to try and brainwash people into thinking them as axis of evil.



Any nation or continent is only as friendly as long as they are not a threat to the West in terms of Military and Economy, nevertheless the West wants to be able to subject each and everyone to their political and economic dominance, as such any nation that refuses or poses a threat is either infiltrated (with wars and corruption or drugs e.g. Nigeria, Africa, Iran etc.) or simply invaded to gain control of the main resource they are looking for.

Why did you think the Bible said the[b] "Merchants" would weep at the destruction of the LovePeddler of Babylon[/b], in the book of revelation in the bible. The bible is refering to those people who are benefitting and trading in the current world domination. (Yes the West and corrupt world leaders and individuals are the ones benefitting) hence they are the "Merchants" bible was refering to in the book of revelation.


6. Hence the West in connivance with the traitor African leaders are inherently making policies and actions that inherently would perpetually subject Africa to being dependent on the west for money, goods and services while at the same time give the west the opportunity to steal african resources.


7. If you are looking for the truth about the worlds political system and why Africa is so messed up, you need to start with the Bible. However if you are not a believer in the Bible, you can still start from the foundation of the present western civilisation i.e. New World Order (illuminati Bloodlines), then any other thing that you find out becomes easy to understand. Otherwise if you keep investigating things in isolation, you would find it difficult to understand how those things are connected, where they are connected and why they are connected.

8. Then it would make sense to you to realise that current African leaders are mostly collaborators of the destruction of their people just as past African Kings and Chiefs were also collaborators of the slavery of Africans in the past 1000years.

9. Africans do not manifacture guns and weapons, hence where does the weapons used in wars and civil wars come from, (remember Biafra was forced into making weapons themselves due to lack of outside support).
Yes it is true that there are strives and wars in Africa, however we need to understand that:

WARS are not fought be poor people.
WEAPONS are not manufactured by Africa.
WARS require a lot of money for it to be fought and sustained.

The West supplies the Weapons to fight Africa's Wars, hence if the West was really interested in stopping wars, all they have to do is stop the flow of weapons. ( people can only slap themselves for so long without weapons ). However the West is not doing that because:
- West makes money from selling weapons during wars either in Africa or anywhere else for that matter.
- Wars and conflict makes it easier for the West to steal the countries resources (does the wars in Congo, Iraq, Sierra Leone wars and natural resources ring a bell)


10. So you see, African problems was intentionally created and is being intentionally nurtured by the west because it makes political sense, it makes economical sense and it makes religious sense for the West to make Africa as backward as possible in other to sustain and maintain the political domination of the West.

IT IS LEFT TO AFRICA TO DEVELOP AND BRING ITSELF OUT FROM UNDER THE GRIP OF THE WEST BY USING THE GOOD PARTS OF HOW CHINA AND JAPAN WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVER THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

@huxley how are you, i have missed your intellectual comedy so much.

Guess what am also in Manchester, wow maybe we might bump into each other sometime soon, or are u going on a Charles Darwin worshipping retreat or something,

Once again abeg all serpents should please stop trying to divert this thread to off topic issues, let's remain on topic:

Darfur versus Gaza, and African Muslims being worth less than Arab Muslims, the thread gives issues concerning that topic, kindly offer your response and intelligent rebuttal.


thank you.

Another reason why Black Muslims are considered worthless compared to Arab Muslims.


Sudan = Ancient Nubia

Nubia =  Ancient land developed and sustained by Black Africans

Black Africans = descendants of Ham (i.e Cush, Egypt, Ethiopians, Zulus et al)

Arabs = Arabs are supposed descendants of Ishmael et ala

Sudanese Arabs =  Arabs descendants  that came from children via intermarriage between Arabs via emigration of Arabs into sudan or via raping of native black africans or via
other means.

Sudanese Arabs = Do not own sudan, just as white europeans do not own America. 



Below is a quote from someone (from the so called Muslim Brotherhood) who obviously supports Arabs and who is trying to twist and rewrite history, how sad is it that Black African Muslims are still blinded and delusioned not to know that not only are they in a false religion, they are also being considered to be slaves to the Arabs, just as whites considered blacks to be slaves to whites.

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/Article.asp?ID=19497&LevelID=1&SectionID=0

The delegation was headed by[b] Dr. Hammam El-Saeed[/b] (Head of Muslim Brotherhood office in Jordan) who condemned the decision to arrest the decision to arrest Al-Bashir, pointing out that this decision is a part of the attack series on Sudan which suffered from American “designated” ordeals and crisis, aiming at looting its fortunes and controlling its decisions. These attacks were preceded by aggression on Afghanistan, Iraq and Gaza in order to use them all in fragmenting Sudan and threatening its national security and to deprive it from its Arab and Islamic identity and to flame a civil conflict.

The ethnic cleansing is obviously in full swing, for Arabs to consider that Sudan has an Arab and Islamic identity, all of a sudden, Sudan no longer seems to belong to Black Africans now it seems they believe it belongs to Arabs and Islam.

olabowale, babs787 et al ,  its sad and i really pity you in your state of delusion and inferiority to the Arabs (talk of double wahala, on one hand you are suffering from racism from Whites on another hand you are also suffering from racism from Arabs, na wa o)