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@dayokanu, shh, now you are shouting on nairaland about Pastor Adeboye, , were you able to say it to Kazeem's face that Islam is a lie.

@dayokanu, off course its easy to vilify Pastor Adeboye wen you might have already indulged yourself in excessive amounts of Awo Hall "Mojo", , just kidding!?

What a joke. Islam is becoming a problem for the UK.
Why hasnt comparative religion become a success in Saudi Arabia?

, lol lol. , , Good Question!

no2atheism
does it matter? black or white? hes either white or black or mixed

@tkb417

1. Yes Salvation is both for the Jews and Gentiles (all races and all colours), colour does not matter when it comes to salvation, 


2. I am not talking about Salvation in this case, rather I am talking about the so called image of the ArchAngel versus Lucifer shown above earlier in this thread.


3. So you see images and colours of those images actually matter when it comes to mental slavery and phsychological racism.

There is something called "Subluminal Indoctrination", i.e. means of secretly brainwashing people.

So to answer your question whether it matters or not


A. Let me ask you a sincere question, do you feel uncomfortable if you try imagining using "White" for Lucifer and "Black" for Archangel Micheal, (well the uncomfortability and awkwardness comes from effects of brainwashing).


B. Why did Whites decide to use and "continue to use" white images of supposedly Biblical characters (which are actually idols in disguise to be frank).


C. How come Whites become defensive when people start asking questions as to why images of biblical characters are portrayed as "white" skinned.

D. How come some publically displayed originally black biblical character images in history have either being whitewashed or replaced white versions during the past thousand of years.

E. Is it normal for some people to become uncomfortable when they try to picture the image of a "white" skinned Devil/Lucifer, (actually its easier for me to picture now sha)



The issue here is the I do not support lies in any form whatsoever or manner, whether or not people say it matters or not is irrevelant. The important thing is to tell the truth at all times (even when the truth is in the minority of opinions) simple because it is written that " a little leaven leavens the whole lump", hence a little lie ultimately ends up deceiving a lot of people later on into believing a much more disastrous lie.

Bottom line is that it matters mentally and possibly spiritually (Yes guess about the possibility and confusion in the minds of "White Believers" during the second coming of the Messiah, only for them to discover that the Messiah and His Angels might not actually be white afterall, )

So you see therein lies the inherent danger of graven images and deceitfully crated graven images (of which both of them are still bad sha)

funny the picture shows Arch Angel Micheal as "White" and Lucifer as "Black" , hmm Why is that so !!!

fellis:
No2atheism,read what I wrote about publicity.
And really, (no condescending here) the earth is not a circle.
It really isn't, Good thing u acknowledged that.

I never said the earth was a circle, hence why then did you (@fellis) claim i said so, is that not deceit.

Better still can you kindly quote (copy and paste) where i said the earth was a circle.

I simply gave you a bible verses which referred to understanding the phrase "circle of the earth", now tell me what common sense explanation do you think that the bible was refering to when the bible said the "circle of the earth".

Off course a truthful mouth would clearly voice out that the bible says that the earth had a "curvature" like a circle, i.e. "it goes round and round". The bible did not say the earth itself was a "circle" shape (i.e. 3-dimensional, haba even egyptians already had circular chariot wheels hence ancient men already knew what a normal circle means). As such trying to claim i or the bible says the earth was a circle is simply a dis-genious attempt at dis-information.

Do me a favour go through both my last response to you and then also go through the thread link that i post to you in that last response and then give me a "line by line" and "point by point" rebuttal of the points I raised on that thread link and my responses on that thread link, clearly showing your answers and response in simple and easy to understand language so that all those reading would be able to know where you stand , what you stand for and what you are standing on.

Please let's check facts and quote references when offering rebuttals, it helps.


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Finally please response to the topic of this thread and stop trying to divert attention away from the main topic of this thread, hence henceforth i would no longer respond to your statements that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread, since i do not want to allow you to succeed in mis-directing this thread from its main topic.

So @fellis, this threads raised the issues of Darfur versus Gaza, and African Muslims being worth less than Arab Muslims, the thread gives issues concerning that topic, kindly offer your response and intelligent rebuttal.

Stop the off topic comments,

@fellis

Isnt this the person who was trying to prove that the earth was a circle?

1. Yes I am the one, thanks for the condescending statement (it makes no difference), Truth (both biblical and scientific) are always opposed and vehemently rejected by the generally agreed dogma of the day, hence your scoffing is really much expected. If you didn't scoff would have been the suprise. For example i clearly showed by simple explanation why the "Mach's Principle", have shown the Foucault's pendulum phenomenon is an invalid proof for Heliocentric model of the universe because[i] Mach's Principle[/i] implies that Foucault's pendulum phenomenon would still occur in a Geocentric model [/i]of the Universe. i also stated further astrological observations and natural phenomenas such as [i] Varshni's rings of quasars, Redshift Steps, The Sagnac experiment, Michelson-Morely experiment and Large Scale Structure of the Universe (Van Flandern, Tom; Meta Research Bulletin 9:48, 2000. Citing; science, 288:2121, 2000) all of which make Geocentricity a more sensible scientific Universal model.

You can get better understanding of the views over here in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=235600.msg3483589#msg3483589 (since i don't want to keep repeating myself)

2. No I did not try to prove that the Earth was a circle, because i am not out to prove anything but rather to show evidences against generally accepted dogma so that you (an adult) can make up your own mind about what to believe and thus be the only one to bear the consequences of your decisions yourself.

3. Yes I did try to show you that the Bible was always right when it had said the earth was spherical even before science go to know about that understanding of the spherical shape of the earth, by the way please realise that its untrue when people say that the bible that said that earth was flat, the bible never said that, rather the fable that the earth was flat was actually propagated by public dogma (and such people like African Lactantius (AD 245-325), a professional rhetorician) rather than biblical fact. I repeat the Bible had never said the earth was flat (that was just cheap propaganda of which a lot of people have swallowed due to indoctrination), rather the bible clearly says that the Earth was of a circular nature (which in mathematical 3-dimensional terms a spherical shape).
Please let's do proper research before offering off cheap statements of dogma, this life is short let's live it in truth so as not to spend the end in regrets.

4. I have done my best to detail my statements based on the bible (for faithful believers) line by line and also based on science (for those without faith) line by line, using both the bible verses and easily verifiable science as evidence to back up my statements.

5. I choose to ignore pointless discussions due to my loss of interest in discussions which offer no value because they only end up repeating questions to which I or others have already given adequate and "simple" answers/explanation, so much so that even a deaf, dumb and blind man ought to hear, see and understand those answers and explanation. So any lack of understanding of those simple and straightforward biblical and scientific explanations and statements by atheists, evolutionist, apostate believers and muslims is something which only they can answer.


As it is said ,  you can force a horse to the river but you can't force it to drink.


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I am into research hence my science and engineering background makes me understand that my expanations in those threads were both simple, precise and straight to the point enough that "only a closed dogmatic mind" is the only explanation for why those opposed to the views presented still choose to do so.

Because in my line of work thorough and comprehensive explanations  are given for readers to get an understanding "if they so choose", 


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Back to the matter at hand,

The issue here is that genocide is happening in Darfur, Arabs are killing the Native people for no justifiable reason, black muslims are part of the people being killed, yet other so called black muslims in african or the world seem not to care or give a damn about what is happening. Despite that they throw tantrums about issues concerning Gaza (when its clearly visible that though Gaza claims a substancial loss of life and property, yet Gaza pales into insignificance when compared to what is happening in Sudan.)

So over to you the so called "Black Muslim Brotherhood" ,  under the "Al-ikhwān al-muslimūn"

Do blacks have to be eradicated from Sudan before we all realise that "the cane used to beat the First Wife is also being kept in storage for the junior wife".

, over to you Amigos,

First and foremost please note that I have come to the understanding (via the web) that the term "Sudan" itself means "land of the blacks" in Arabic So clearly there was a distinction between Arabs and Blacks even from Arabic language, so don't let us confuse skin color shade with blood heritage, e.g. Micheal Jackson now looks white, yet his blood heritage shows that he's a black man.
http://www.web.net/cass/background.htm

i remember during the Liberian crisis the US couldnt send a single soldier to Liberia but the rather stayed on the sea and let Nigerian soldiers go do the dirty work.

There is no oil in Liberia so what the hell. Somalia is another example they have internal clashes and they are all muslims and black so no one is interested because it is black on black.

hmm, are u trying to say that Whites have an evil history then its alright to Arabs to continue to have an Evil history, since no be you deem dey try kill,

black on black

Abeg biko, Its is not a "black on black thing",  point of correction, this is a clearly visible genocide of the blacks natives by the arabs ruling power, History and Archeology tells us that Native Sudanese are Nubians by heritage (they do not have anything to do with their Arab settlers  who are supposed to be descendants of Ishmeal) hence all this your talk about skin colour as an excuse for trying to say its a "black on black thing" is utterly incorrect

it is an intenationally recognised knowledge that there exists Sudanese Arabs (i.e. dark skinned Arabs, possibly through rap of black women over the centuries by arabs or intermarriage or something else sef.). Just as it is also internationally understood that current Egyptians have not heritage and connection to the ancient black people that built, owned and developed Egypt. Cush (Nubia) and Kemet (Egypt or sometimes called Mizraim) actually came from the same loins, while Arabs come from the loins of Shem and thus are not the same people (yes they might look black, that's possible due to intermarriage and historical raping of conquered nations by the followers of allah and mohammed.)

The Arabs in Sudan indentify and call themselves Arabs,

The issue here is why is the muslim world silent about the genocide, or is it okay for Arabs for kill black muslims in the name of allah just like black muslims kill other non-muslims in the name of allah.

it is physically obvious to the discerning eye that those who call themselves Arabs actually trully look different from those people who call themselves Black African Sudanese,

Please don't try to make insinuation about it merely be a civil war, (its as much war as using a sledge hammer to figth a cockcroach, Arab is the sledge hammer here while cockcroach is the black africans here).

Below is what a Black African Sudanese (Alek Wek) looks like

Also below is what a Sudanese Arab (President Bashir) looks like,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_Arabs

Sudanese Arabs are an ethnic group of Afro-Arab origin. They are believed to be the largest group living in Northern and Central Sudan, with a population currently numbering over 16,000,000. For centuries, many Arab tribes of Sudan had intermarried and gradually mixed with the indigenous black people who had already been living there. Thus, the Sudanese Arabs do look African in appearance while retaining their original Arab heritage. Sudanese Arabic is their own official language.
There is no tribe in Sudan called Sudanese Arabs. The Arab tribes and communities have their Sudanese names and they are spread in the north, east, middle of Sudan and the west of the country. Ja'aleen, Shaigiya, Manasir, Ziadia are some but not all of the Sudanese arabs. However, this term is not actually used among the people of Sudan, but rather by Western news media when referring to the conflicts in Darfur and the south.

The silence of the black muslims is really deafening, i just don't get it, or is it that black muslims themselves don't give a shit about whether or not black muslims are being killed by Arabs or something.

, back to the topic of the thread.


What can be done to help the people (both black muslims and non-muslims) in Darfur seeing that Arab Muslims are killing them in large numbers(Arab Christians are not included because at least those Christians know that killing is completely forbidding under ANY possible circumstance whatsoever, hence any Christian who kills immediately knows that he's committing a sin, ) .

I really feel like helping them, but sincerely feel helpless,

I sincerely pray that Heavenly Father (creator of heaven and earth) would keep them alive as much as possible and bring them the hope of salvation in His only begotten Son,

Am really sad that these blacks are being killed for no just reason.

I still don't get why, islam makes arabs muslims and some other black muslims to be generally unhappy, cold-blooded and heartless enough to kill people (without show of remorse) for their land, religion and race. (the blood shed by Arabs over the centuries whether through Mohammmed or allah or not, becomes easy to understand if one realise that it was written in the Bible that Ishmeal would be a "violent".

For once i really wish all those Black African leaders would PLEASE at least do something for those black people in Sudan. They are being killed and driven off their land and heritage for no just reason,


The black man has really suffered, na wa o.

It seems the only difference between Arabs and Whites in terms of how they have persecuted and killed the black man over the centuries is that:
Whites History is full of a mixture of outrageous mixture of genocidal Evil and Civility towards the black man are the same time, while Arab History is full of a mixture outrageous mixture of genocidal Evil and Savagery  towards the black man are the same time.


Whites stole (and are still stealing) knowledge and history of Ancient Egypt (Kemet) and used it to develop Rome and Greece.
Arabs stole (and are still stealing) Egypt(Kemet), Sudan(Nubian) Heritage and other people's land in North Africa and still they keep continuing the genocide and stealing.

it amazes me how you people who claim to be wise turn interesting topics into war of words.

Well it does not suprise me that @oyb is saying and doing all that, since its a well known method by muslims to turn a simple question or discussion into an heated argument so that the question or discussion nevers gets answered under the deluge of heated and irrelevant discussions. Hence why i have decided to ignore any personal attacks or insults from him or others like him and rather focus more on the topic of the thread.
As the lifes of these Darfur people is more precious than the "death" they are getting under allah and their muslim arab brothers. Hence why i tried to bring this isssue to the notice of people on nairaland, since i know there are a lot of so called muslim on this forum (yet funny enough none of them seems to care, its as if they don't realise that those arabs would gladly do the same thing to them if they ever made the mistake of going to an Arab dominated country, so much for muslim brotherhood).

The funniest thing about the thread is that its not even a situation of Bible believers against Muslims (usual reason for muslims (olabowale, babs787 et al) to try to bash me with complete irrelevancies), rather the point i was even trying to raise was that it was wrong and abnormal that black african muslims in sudan (created by Heavenly Father of the Bible not allah) are being left to die under the genocide perpetrated by the arab muslims, yet their other black african muslims in nigeria or elsewhere in the world seem not to be doing anything about it. Yet the same black african muslims around the world would start killing their non-muslim family member or neighbour or citizen based on flimsy excuses of things happening between US and Arabs or Jews and Arabs or Dutch and Mohammmed cartoons.

The irony of the matter is that the same arabs (oppressing and killing their fellow native black muslims in sudan) would then turn around to claim that black muslims are their brothers whenever they want gullible black muslims to die for them against the jewish people or against isreal.

thank you sir (oyb) and can you now please get back to answering the topic of the thread.

Yes you are welcomed,

, please get back to the topic of the thread

, here goes @oyb again,

Please can we get back to the topic of the thread,

I apologise for using the "not sane" phrase sincerely speaking it was not meant as a personal insult but rather as an explanation of mental and logical contradiction brough about by visible action by muslims.

I give up @oyb, abeg no ves , I agree you win, so would you now please focus on the thread and not on me.

Despite your issues against me, nonetheless 300000 lives is too much a price to pay,  considering that those lives are actually black africans like you (meaning that you yourself can actually be in danger of being killed if you make a mistake of going over there to Sudan dressed as a native black african sudanese)

To other posters however please offer your comments  on the topic of the thread because the purpose of the thread is to open the eyes of black muslims to what is happening in darfur sudan and why it is wrong for them not to do anything for their fellow Black man against the Arab invaders despite that they seem to be willing to die for the Arabs against Isreal.

Its is said that one should love his or her neighbour irrespective of skin colour or belief. Hence I am deeply angered that Black Africans (most especially muslims) are not even doing anything to help the Indigenous Black Africans in Sudan (Ancient Nubia owned by Black Africans). It even sounds more contradictory to find out that the people mostly doing the lobbying and advocating for the people of Darfur is actually the so called Western World (who the Muslim world considers to be the Keferi).

Why does the West care about Darfur and yet the Muslim World does not even give a damn, and to make matters worse, the black muslim world is acting as if they are deaf and dumb to the Darfur genocide. For goodness sake, black muslims are part of the people being killed off, how many people have to die before something productive is actually done on their behalf. Why is it that there seems to be no help forthcoming for them against the might of the ruling Arab populace (who are supposed to even be the minority in the country).

I really don't understand why Black African Leaders (not North African Arabs posing as real Africans by the way) have not yet done anything to ameliorate the plight of the black africans in darfur. To make it even worse, the black africans being discriminated against and being killed via genocide are even said to be "Black Muslims". Hence its not even a case of allah telling arabs or muslims to kill people for him, but rather that Arab Muslims are currently killing the Black Muslims (so much for Muslim brotherhood).

By my estimate, less than 100000 thousand people have been killed in Gaza over the years compared to the reported estimate of around 300000 black people killed in Sudan by the supporter of APC and other Arab affliated militias, yet Arabs and Muslims worldwide can't help but throw a tantrum everytime sometime happens between the Palestinians and Jewish people (whose blood relation to ancient Isrealites is even questionable for that matter).

To even make matters much worse, the supporter of APC is even supposed to be a group of Arab speaking Africans, i.e. Africans who are not even Arabs but merely speak Arabic, but who have probably being deceived into thinking they are Arab, hence do things against their fellow Africans under the directive of the Arabs.

Does it smell like a double standard against black muslims because they are black or something.

or


Does it mean that Black Muslims (by ignoring the plight of black muslims in Darfur ) are merely obeying mohammed and allah when[b] it [/b](yes allah is a idol hence my use of the word it) says that blacks are less than desirable (just as Mormon god and racist caucacians also said blacks also said blacks are less than desirable)

or

Does it mean that Blacks Muslims in Nigeria and Worldwide who claim to be muslims by choice (or force) simply have an inferiority complex or something, as i don't understand why they don't even bother to stand up for their other "black muslim" brothers being killed by their Arab counterparts. So much for the fabled "One big muslim family".


I can't cease to be amazed about the ignorance of Black Muslims in Nigeria and all over the world in their ability to stop using their brains when they engage in the killing of members of their ethnic group, state or country (Bauchi, Kano, Kaduna, Jos et al, ) all in the name of the false god allah brought to their fore fathers predominantly under the treat of death or serious discrimination by Arabs and their proxies. Even present day evidences show that Arabs don't give a shit about black muslims, talkless of non-muslims and jews,

This is all despite evidences showing that Allah is an idol predominantly worshipped by Arabs even before the birth of Mohammmed bin Abdallah (yes that's supposed to be the fullname of their prophet mohammed),   The uninformed reader should please note that "Abdallah" is the surname of Mohammed i.e. Mohammmed's father's name , unfortunately also "Abdallah" means "servant of allah" in simple language. Hence logic tells us that Miohammmed's father was already a servant of allah even before Mohammmed himself was born (unless off course we want to assume that mohammed was born before his father, ) 

Enough of the digression and back to the issue of Darfur, I am even more amazed when black muslims don't realise that Arabs and Whites are actually similar in deed when it comes to discrimination and genocide against Blacks, the only difference is that Whites are dominating now and Arabs are not , hence Whites make a very good target when it comes to issues of racism and genocide.

In as much as i don't condone killing and genocide in any manner or form, yet one can't but be amazed with the seeming silence of the Arab world and Nigerian Muslims about Darfur, yet they go into a madnening frenzy of rampant destruction while trying to protest the atrocities between Palestinians and Jewish people (off which frankly both sides palestinians and jewish people are both guilty of violence, the only diference in this case is that Arabs(as prideful as they are) can't bear being on the receiving end of serious military beating from Jewish people hence the usual tantrum throwing by Arabs and their proxies world wide whenever they get brutally disciplined by the Jewish People who unfortunately don't seem to like turning the other cheek (hence slap Arabs/Muslims back even harder whenever they get slapped). Infact, history teaches us that if the Jewish people were to be on the receiving end of the Palestinian firepower, we would hardly hear a whimper from Arabs, Muslims or Nigerian muslims for that matter) just as we are not hearing a whimper from the Arab world when it comes to the Darfur Genocide.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024680.php

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Where are the large-scale protests and outrage from the Muslim community over the senseless deaths and rape of hundreds of thousands of poverty-ridden African Muslims?
Why is there such a glaring discrepancy between the Muslim world's response to the atrocities in Gaza and the atrocities in Darfur?

If the Darfur genocide was being carried out by Jews or Christians instead of Arab Muslims, would we see a different response?




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/04/darfur-bashir-sudan-president-genocide

oyb,


1. What have i said to warrant your personal attack on me, haba now @oyb. Is it not possible for you to comment without resorting to personal insults.

2. Yes it is wrong to have allowed civil war and genocide in the countries you mentioned,

3. I do not support or condone violence in any form or manner, loving ones neighbour has oneself makes it impossible to support or condone violence, hence as far as am concerned genocide in any form or manner is wrong, be it rwanda, sierra leone, liberia, angola. Also notice that these countries are mostly black africans against black africans, hence its more like family matter which usually gets settled over time. For example Angola (despite years of civil war have finally resolved most of their problems so much so that they are almost as good as nigeria now in terms of a crude-oil based economy)
The difference in this case is that most of African cases (if not all the ones you mentioned) have been brought to book to pay for their actions, and also Nigeria has been vocal in some of the cases you mentioned.

4. The thing that i am mentioning here is that what is happening in Darfur is a systematic genocide against black africans (muslims and non-muslims) by muslim arabs, yet i have even heard Alqeida say that jihad is going on in Darfur (which begs the question why are black africans (whether christian or muslim) not doing anything to protect the black africans in sudan against the genocide by the arabs in sudan, considering that the Black Africans are actually the landlords while the Arabs are the invaders. The matter only gets worse because even Black African muslims are not publicly saying or doing anything about the situation in darfur despite that black muslims are also part of the people being killed.
Yet black muslims start throwing a tantrum about Gaza, even when Gaza problems pale in comparison to the Darfur crisis.

on a scale if Darfur results in 300000 killed, then Gaza can be extrapolated to have resorted to the death of 10000.

Hence my concern is why Black African Muslims ignore the outrageously genocidal death of their own people who are also muslims, yet they allow themselves to be brainwashed into kicking up a frenzy in the Isreal versus Arab war, even when the Arabs don't care about killing the black muslims when it is in their interest to do so.

Actually Nigerian government does not keep silent, its the muslims in nigeria that tend to act "deaf and dumb" whenever , anyone is killing anyone else in the name of allah.

The annoying part however is that its like they don't even care that their own fellow "black muslim" man is being killed by "arab muslim" in darfur,

How muslims claim to be "sane" is beyond me, considering that it clear for a non-muslim to see that since its easy for an arab muslim to kill a black muslim without even batting an eyelid, then alarm bells ought to be ringing in the black muslims head that maybe their allah god might not be true afterall for it to have condoned such violence, yet all you get from black muslims is absolute silence as if nothing has happened.

Why is it that the Nigerian government remains silent and non-proactive in trying to save the Black Africans being murdered and deprived of their heritage over there in Sudan,

Why do black african leaders allow the arabs to have a sway in caring out genocide of the black africans in Darfur.

Arabs took over Egypt , now we hardly hear about the existence of a true Black Egyptians instead all we see today are Arab impostors posing as Egyptians,

Do Black Africa really want to allow Arabs in Sudan to get away with the Genocide against the black Africans in Sudan, considering that the land actually belongs to the black africans and not the Arabs in the first place, lets remember that the Sudan of today is actually the Nubia of ancient times.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/04/darfur-bashir-sudan-president-genocide
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024680.php

FIRST AND FOREMOST LET'S GET THE ANSWERS OUT OF THE WAY
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1. Who is a Jew

Answer: A descendant of Judah


2. So are all Isrealites known as Jews or not.

Answer: No. The name Jew only refers to those people who are members of the tribe of Judah.


3. Why

Answer: Because Judah is just one of the tribes of Isreal. Someone can be of another tribe of Isreal and not be a Jew. For example a Levite is not a Jew, A Napthali is not a Jew, A Benjamite is not a Jew.


4. Why do people call certain people jews today.
Answer:
First of all it has to do with deception and deceit, because some of those people who call themselves "jews" actually do not have any blood or biological relation to the ancient isrealites. Hence they are called Jews for personal and/or ulterior motives. Infact, most of those people themselves have been found not to be Jews by birth nor by blood, instead most of them call themselves jews by religion .i.e Judaism et al (an error in itself). Also historical research has pointed that some people who call themselves jews might actually be people known as Khazars (who and where the Khazars come from is something i personally don't have an answer for).
One thing is for sure, even the Messiah Himself (as detailed in the bible) said that some people who are not jews would claim to be jews :


Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.



5. Then what is Judaism

Answer: Something similar to what the Pharasees were practicising during the time of the Messiah himself, during the time of Paul and during the time of Peter.


6. Then why are Muslims so hell bent on killing Jews since you say that even most of the Jews they are trying to kill (and use as an excuse for their murdering tendencies and jihad) are not even really related to the biblical ancient Isrealites.

Answer: First and foremost, Muslims are as confused as they come, knowing the truth is not part of their aim. Because if they did, they would realise they have been lied to both by allah (the moon good), by mohammmed and by their imams. However seeking the truth is not really part of their aim hence the need to be peddling about ignorant questions like "Are Jews going to Heaven". They would realise that is why their faith does not permit or allow its adherents to ask too much question, lest they find out the truth and change. Hence the reason why their faith "uses the punishment of death penalty" against those who either try to question their faith or those who find out the truth and convert away from their faith.


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@davidylan, .welldone for trying to do your best to answer the ignorant questions being asked by those (muslims, atheists et al , ) who choose to remain without understanding.

I have to confess that it also sometimes feels like one is banging his/her head against the wall when one tries to discuss issues with them, it seems the Truth or Reason or Logic does not matter to them (even when there is a supporting scientific explanation), it seems as far as they are concerned, its either their way or the highway.

Yes i know it can be frustrating trying to explain something so simple to muslims, atheists and all, (that is why it is said that there are those who have eyes and ears but yet are not able to see nor hear). I have been there with people like those too, just keep trying your best, hopefully some of them who have a change of heart soon.

Finally @davidylan, once you realise that you are speaking but they (muslims, apostate believers, hindus, buddist, atheist et al) hear you not nor do they understand you, i would advise you to leave them alone to their ways because:



Prov 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

Prov 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.







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It will only apply to WHOSOEVER first understands the "God" Peter was talking about in Acts. He certainly wasnt talking about "God" in a general sense . . .
Dont confuse issues.

Those who believe in the truth of the bible really have to start considering whether or not they want to continue to use the generic words "God" and "Lord", considering that its merely a generic english word which has been deceitfully used to encompass both the True Creator and the false gods (allah, allat, buddah, kabba stone, kabballa god, osiris et al).

The Creator in the bible puts an important emphasis on His True Name and also on the True name of His Son, hence its my opinion that differentiating who we are talking about would go a long way to help us to "come out of her".

That is why it is always good to clarify who one is refering to in his or her statement, because the generic term "God" or "Lord" can easily be codified to mean an idol such as allah, buddah, baal, zeus et al, without the hearer even knowing what is going on.

Allah called himself Allah, Buddah called himself buddah, Zeus called himself Zeus (at least his followers did sha), Hence it is important to separate the names and not generalise so that , a muslim would know that we are not talking about his false god, an hindu would know that we are not talking about his false god, a buddist would know that we are not talking about his false god, etc

Moreover the name of an individual does not change (even in pronounciation) whether or not we speak english, spanish, german or spanglish, why then do believers of the bible allow themselves to be duped into using a generic name "God" that makes people falsely think that allah is the same as the person we are refering to.

Hence it is best to use the name that the Creator has used to call Himself in the scriptures so that we would be able to make it clear to those reading that we are not talking about a generic idol but rather that we are talking about the Creator of Heaven and Earth, the "I AM".

It is true that our Father in Heaven called Himself by many titles, however He and the Son have a unique name by which they call themselves.

Hence in conclusion, i would advise that those refering to the Creator of Heaven and Earth as detailed in the Bible should try and refer to Him in the name He has choosen to call Himself (יהוה Elohim) so that muslims, hindus, zoroastrians, buddist et al would clearly see that we are NOT talking about the same person at al.


PENULTIMATELY
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a. What or Where is Heaven?

Answer: The place described in the bible, as to where the throne of the creator of Heaven and Earth is.


b. Is Heaven in the bible the same thing as paradise in islam, or hinduism or buddism or any other "ism" false faith for that matter

Answer: NO


c. Why?

Answer: Because the Bible clearly describes how heaven is, what is in heaven, who is in heaven and what happens in heaven. Fortunately, this description is not the same as described by mohammed or allah or catholics or any other idol worshipper for that matter.



d. So is a Jew going to Heaven?

Answer: I DON'T KNOW, I CANNOT determine who goes or does not go to Heaven, it is not my decision or determination.


e. Why?
Answer:
Because a Jew is a descendant of Judah,, and Judah is a descendant of Isreal,, and Isreal is a descendant of Abraham, and Abraham is a descendant of Noah, and Noah is a descendant of Adam (just like you and I are also descendants of Adam). All descendants of Adam have sinned are condemned to eternal destruction (yes it is automatic, we are born with sin).

So you see, any "real" jew (and any other person for that matter) is born a sinner, irrespective of whether or not he/she is a jew or not. Thus merely being born a jew does not guarantee passage to heaven, for the simple fact that such a jew is still a sinner "by inheretance of the sin nature through Adam".

So a Jew without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.

Just the same way that:


a Yoruba without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
a Caucasian without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an Hausa without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
a Negro without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an Hindu without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an Arab without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
a Muslim without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an atheist without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner
a terroris[/b]t without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner
[b]anybody else (asian, eskimo, indian, chinese, korean, japanese) without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.




f. Then does that mean that everybody is going to be eternally destroyed,

Answer: No


g. Why?
Answer: Because the Father in Heaven has already made a way out for everybody to be saved. This way out is [i]ONLY by Grace through Faith [/i]in the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father.


John 3:16 For יהוה so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



i. Then does that mean anybody(jews, yorubas, caucasians, arabs, persians, indians, hindus, chinese) can make it to Heaven?.
Answer: No.


j. Then who are those who would make it into Heaven?.
Answer: Only those people (jews, arabs, indians, yoruba et al) who are saved by Grace through Faith in the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father have an assurance of making it into heaven. Any other person just wasting his or her time for nothing.


John 14:6 Yahushua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



FINALLY
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I am not really interested in wasting my time trying to answer further questions posed on this thread, because memory serves me right to know that those questions have been answered over and over again, hence repeating myself or corroborating others who have tried to answer them would only go to sustain the endless cycle of ignorance and babbling.

Infact its sometimes better not to argue with people who lack understanding, because arguing with them might even make other people think that one is also a fool like them.


Prov 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.





Prov 18:7 A fools mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

Ps 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

Prov 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Prov 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Prov 13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Prov 13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.






Peace be unto you ,

FIRST AND FOREMOST LET'S GET THE ANSWERS OUT OF THE WAY
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1. Who is a Jew

Answer: A descendant of Judah


2. So are all Isrealites known as Jews or not.

Answer: No. The name Jew only refers to those people who are members of the tribe of Judah.


3. Why

Answer: Because Judah is just one of the tribes of Isreal. Someone can be of another tribe of Isreal and not be a Jew. For example a Levite is not a Jew, A Napthali is not a Jew, A Benjamite is not a Jew.


4. Why do people call certain people jews today.
Answer:
First of all it has to do with deception and deceit, because some of those people who call themselves "jews" actually do not have any blood or biological relation to the ancient isrealites. Hence they are called Jews for personal and/or ulterior motives. Infact, most of those people themselves have been found not to be Jews by birth nor by blood, instead most of them call themselves jews by religion .i.e Judaism et al (an error in itself). Also historical research has pointed that some people who call themselves jews might actually be people known as Khazars (who and where the Khazars come from is something i personally don't have an answer for).
One thing is for sure, even the Messiah Himself (as detailed in the bible) said that some people who are not jews would claim to be jews :


Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.



5. Then what is Judaism

Answer: Something similar to what the Pharasees were practicising during the time of the Messiah himself, during the time of Paul and during the time of Peter.


6. Then why are Muslims so hell bent on killing Jews since you say that even most of the Jews they are trying to kill (and use as an excuse for their murdering tendencies and jihad) are not even really related to the biblical ancient Isrealites.

Answer: First and foremost, Muslims are as confused as they come, knowing the truth is not part of their aim. Because if they did, they would realise they have been lied to both by allah (the moon good), by mohammmed and by their imams. However seeking the truth is not really part of their aim hence the need to be peddling about ignorant questions like "Are Jews going to Heaven". They would realise that is why their faith does not permit or allow its adherents to ask too much question, lest they find out the truth and change. Hence the reason why their faith "uses the punishment of death penalty" against those who either try to question their faith or those who find out the truth and convert away from their faith.


SECONDLY
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@davidylan, .welldone for trying to do your best to answer the ignorant questions being asked by those (muslims, atheists et al ,  ) who choose to remain without understanding.

I have to confess that it also sometimes feels like one is banging his/her head against the wall when one tries to discuss issues with them, it seems the Truth or Reason or Logic does not matter to them (even when there is a supporting scientific explanation), it seems as far as they are concerned, its either their way or the highway.

Yes i know it can be frustrating trying to explain something so simple to muslims, atheists and all, (that is why it is said that there are those who have eyes and ears but yet are not able to see nor hear). I have been there with people like those too, just keep trying your best, hopefully some of them who have a change of heart soon.

Finally @davidylan, once you realise that you are speaking but they (muslims, apostate believers, hindus, buddist, atheist et al) hear you not nor do they understand you, i would advise you to leave them alone to their ways because:



Prov 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.  

Prov 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.  







THIRDLY
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It will only apply to WHOSOEVER first understands the "God" Peter was talking about in Acts. He certainly wasnt talking about "God" in a general sense . . .
Dont confuse issues.

Those who believe in the truth of the bible really have to start considering whether or not they want to continue to use the generic words "God" and "Lord", considering that its merely a generic english word which has been deceitfully used to encompass both the True Creator and the false gods (allah, allat, buddah, kabba stone, kabballa god, osiris et al).

The Creator in the bible puts an important emphasis on His True Name and also on the True name of His Son, hence its my opinion that differentiating who we are talking about would go a long way to help us to "come out of her".

That is why it is always good to clarify who one is refering to in his or her statement, because the generic term "God" or "Lord"  can easily be codified to mean an idol such as allah, buddah, baal, zeus et al, without the hearer even knowing what is going on.

Allah called himself Allah, Buddah called himself buddah, Zeus called himself Zeus (at least his followers did sha), Hence it is important to separate the names and not generalise so that , a muslim would know that we are not talking about his false god, an hindu would know that we are not talking about his false god, a buddist would know that we are not talking about his false god, etc

Moreover the name of an individual does not change (even in pronounciation) whether or not we speak english, spanish, german or spanglish, why then do believers of the bible allow themselves to be duped into using a generic name "God" that makes people falsely think that allah is the same as the person we are refering to.

Hence it is best to use the name that the Creator has used to call Himself in the scriptures so that we would be able to make it clear to those reading that we are not talking about a generic idol but rather that we are talking about the Creator of Heaven and Earth, the "I AM".

It is true that our Father in Heaven called Himself by many titles, however He and the Son have a unique name by which they call themselves.

Hence in conclusion, i would advise that those refering to the Creator of Heaven and Earth as detailed in the Bible should try and refer to Him in the name He has choosen to call Himself (יהוה Elohim) so that muslims, hindus, zoroastrians, buddist et al would clearly see that we are NOT talking about the same person at al.


PENULTIMATELY
-------------------

a. What or Where is Heaven?

Answer: The place described in the bible, as to where the throne of the creator of Heaven and Earth is.


b. Is Heaven in the bible the same thing as paradise in islam, or hinduism or buddism or any other "ism" false faith for that matter

Answer: NO


c. Why?

Answer: Because the Bible clearly describes how heaven is, what is in heaven, who is in heaven and what happens in heaven. Fortunately, this description is not the same as described by mohammed or allah or catholics or any other idol worshipper for that matter.



d. So is a Jew going to Heaven?

Answer: I DON'T KNOW, I CANNOT determine who goes or does not go to Heaven, it is not my decision or determination.


e. Why?
Answer:
Because a Jew is a descendant of Judah,, and Judah is a descendant of Isreal,, and Isreal is a descendant of Abraham, and Abraham is a descendant of Noah, and Noah is a descendant of Adam (just like you and I are also descendants of Adam). All descendants of Adam have sinned are condemned to eternal destruction (yes it is automatic, we are born with sin).

So you see, any "real" jew (and any other person for that matter) is born a sinner, irrespective of whether or not he/she is a jew or not. Thus merely being born a jew does not guarantee passage to heaven, for the simple fact that such a jew is still a sinner "by inheretance of the sin nature through Adam".

So a Jew without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.

Just the same way that:


a Yoruba without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
a Caucasian without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an Hausa without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
a Negro without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an Hindu without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an Arab without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
a Muslim without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.
an atheist without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner
a terroris[/b]t without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner
[b]anybody else (asian, eskimo, indian, chinese, korean, japanese) without the hope of salvation through only the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, has no hope of making heaven in whatever form or manner.




f. Then does that mean that everybody is going to be eternally destroyed,

Answer: No


g. Why?
Answer: Because the Father in Heaven has already made a way out for everybody to be saved. This way out is [i]ONLY by Grace through Faith [/i]in the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father.


John 3:16 For יהוה so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



i. Then does that mean anybody(jews, yorubas, caucasians, arabs, persians, indians, hindus, chinese) can make it to Heaven?.
Answer: No.


j. Then who are those who would make it into Heaven?.
Answer: Only those people (jews, arabs, indians, yoruba et al) who are saved by Grace through Faith in the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father have an assurance of making it into heaven. Any other person  just wasting his or her time for nothing.


John 14:6 Yahushua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



FINALLY
----------
I am not really interested in wasting my time trying to answer further questions posed on this thread, because memory serves me right to know that those questions have been answered over and over again, hence repeating myself or corroborating others who have tried to answer them would only go to sustain the endless cycle of ignorance and babbling.

Infact its sometimes better not to argue with people who lack understanding, because arguing with them might even make other people think that one is also a fool like them.


Prov 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.





Prov 18:7 A fools mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.  

Ps 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.  

Prov 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Prov 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.  

Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.  

Prov 13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.  

Prov 13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.  






Peace be unto you ,

Politicians are mere pawns of this New World Order, hence I can't stop laughing when i see people continue to live in their utopian world under the control of the New World Order, where they keep assuming that a lot of things happening in the world are mere coincidences and conspiracies.

I believe there are conspiracies and i believe their disinformation, hence each of us have to search and research in other to know the truth for ourselves,

Hence i decided to as the question,

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO SHOOT HIMSELF TWICE IN THE HEAD,


Whatever your answer, please note the following links that talk about someone (Gary Webb) killed and deemed to have commited suicide by shooting himself twice in the head.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb



http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=154685.msg3492423#msg3492423 date=1235130059]Hi Mad_Max. Science did not say that all humans (human body) decended from a single female in Africa. What science says is that using mitochondrial DNA, the present human population can be traced to the mitochodrial DNA of a woman that is a surviving member of a population cluster that once lived in sub-sahara Africa about 150000-200000 years ago. It does not imply that humanity decended from a single woman. The idea that present humans decended from a single man and woman is scientific nonsense. In addition mitochondrial DNA only traces matrineall lineage. It does not account for patrineal lineage or even a sceanario of the  of your fathers mother. Y-DNA have been used to trace patrineal lineage and it is dated much younger than the mitochondrial DNA. Thus scienctific evidence clearly contradicts the literal interpretation of the creation accounts in Genesis. Stay blessed.[/quote]1.

2. Wonderful exercise in practicising tutorials of the university of the blindingly obvious,

3. its sad that something so obvious to even the untrained eye is still being dismissed with the slight of hand,

4.

The idea that present humans decended from a single man and woman is scientific nonsense

, by which you mean that you have a scientific evidence to show why it is scientific nonsense.

5. Scientific laboratory results might be repeatable and testable, yet human interpretation and worldview is known to be capable of lying.


6.

It does not account for patrineal lineage or even a sceanario of the  of your fathers mother.

yes dooh!!!   ,  yes that's because it was not testing for patrineal lineage as far as the mitochondrial DNA was concerned.


Anyway sha let's try to separate the fact from the fiction:



Fact:mitochrondrial DNA was tested in the laboratory,
Fact: test results show that there was a common original female ancestor,
Fact: test results showed only a single common original female ancestor,
Fact: test results did not show multiple number of common original ancestor,
Fact: test results did not show the existence of any ancient population cluster,
Fact: test results do not come with location label,
Fact: test results do not come with population label,
Fact: test results do not come with date or time or age label,




Fiction: The assumption of the age 150000-200000 years for the original common female ancestor.
Fiction: The assumption of the existence of any population cluster that the original female ancestor might have belonged to.
Fiction: The assumption of the existence of the location of the original common female ancestor being in sub-sahara Africa.



Please let's leave fiction for sci-fiction novel writers, let science deal with the testable and repeatable facts,

thank you.

olaadegbu, abeg how can i send a video link to owl11 and debosky and some other people , i want them to personally watch those videos, i don't want to create another thread ,

I have searched nairaland but i can't find how to send personal messages to the particular user,

I sincerely feel burdened to continue to do my best to let them see the deception in the theory of evolution, theistic evolution, gap theory or whatever, and why believing such is a very dangerous option for anybody,

OLAADEGBU:
@Mad_Max,

I am impressed with your socrates' type of enquiring mind, and by the way you are going you are almost arriving at the truth.  Christians believe in the biblical account that Eve was the mother of all living human beings about 6,000 years ago and not a female hominid some millions or billions of years somewhere in Africa.

It may interest you to view the videolink below and watch what a former ardent evolution scientist had to say about evolution, science and the bible, it is an eye opener.

http://www.creationworldview.org/sample.asp

Olaadegbu, thanks for the last link, i found it very useful and simplistic,

One cannot continue to be antagonistic against Evolutionist and Atheist (they are merely the tools of the enemy, they are not the enemy themselves) , they simply do not know what they are doing, One can only pray for them.

I must confess to you that i simply do not understand why they ignore all Evidences, Reason, Logic, Science, Bible verses and materials against evolution , which goes against their mode of thinking and thoughts, yet by some form of disobedience they still maintain their stand,

LET'S PRAY FOR THEM.

God keep us and bring us to the marriage of the Lamb,