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1. You made a case for "transformation" . . .but we both established that islamic transformation is not a POSITIVE one . . .as it does NOT conform with allah's commandments.

2. I NEVER said a muslim is wrong by having a relationship with "God". . . . all that we both did was to establish that an islamic transformation is not the same as a born-again transformation. . . . . .they are two completely different things.

3. Yes. . , the crux of the matter is RELATIONSHIP. . . . .with God through Jesus Christ. . , . .

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huxley:


mathew 4:17 - From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Matthew 5: 13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. 14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


I have checked some of these verses and nowhere do I see the word RELATIONSHIP or its implication under your definition of:

Relationship is the acknowledgement and acceptance of Jesus as LORD and SAVIOUR. . , with the inherent power to be the son of God , to inherit eternity. . .and to be LED by the HOLY SPIRIT, . . .thats what relationship with God means.


Can you post the details of a specific verse(s) that satisfy this definition?

1. I thought u could unravel the concept. . . I was wrong, . . , but it is not atomic science. , . . or is it?

There are key elements of the relationship definition. . they are
a. acceptance of Jesus as Lord and saviour. , . John 3:16
b. power to become son of God , . John 1:12
c. establishment of God's kingdom . . . .mathew 4:17
d. being led by the spirit . . . , romans 8:14
e. inheriting eternity with God . . . mathew
f. being God's ambassador on earth. . . . mathew 5:13-16

2. Ech of the verses I listed in my last post butress the fact that Christ came to establish a relationship with humans. . . . . .all u have to do is to use a little thinking. . .is that a hard job?

huxley:
Can you show us in the NT where a Relationship with God is mentioned. References please would be nice.

ur ignorance is appalling. . , . , . how many verses do u want?

a. mathew 4:17, 5:13-16, 5:45, 6:9-14, 6:19-21, 6:33, 7:17-29,
b. John 1:12-14
c. romans 8:14

On this definition, muslim also have a relationship with Allah, as in:


Relationship is the acknowledgement and acceptance of Mohammed as TRUE and ONLY Prophet of God. . , with the inherent power to be the prophet of God , to inherit eternity.

a. where is this stated in the koran?

b. why are u desperately trying to use islam to make a nihilant point.

huxley:
Well, the muslims I know say there have a relationship with Mohammed and allah. Otherwise, why all the veneration towards Allah and Mohammed? [b] I do not know if it is stated in the Kora[/b]n.

why dont u find out.

By the way, is it also stated that Christians MUST have a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus/God? What does it mean to "have a relationship with Jesus/God". How is having a relationship with Jesus/God different from having a relationship with Allah/Mohammed?

1. Christianity is all about the RELATIONSHIP . . . , and it is stated all over the NT. . . . just pick up a bible.

2. Relationship is the acknowledgement and acceptance of Jesus as LORD and SAVIOUR. . , with the inherent power to be the son of God , to inherit eternity. . .and to be LED by the HOLY SPIRIT, . . .thats what relationship with God means.

huxley:
I have just given you plenty of examples of people who have personal relationship with Mohammed and Allah and how this personal relationship with Mohammed/Allah has transformed their lives.

So by this sort of evidence, Islam too is true, isn't it?

I have NEVER heard a muslim have a relationship with allah and mohammed. . . . .its stated no where in the koran. . . or is it?

1. ur issues concerning the words of Jesus has been repeatedly addressed.

2. I am not in the best position to determine if a religion leads to transformation of a person's life. . . .I have NEVER practiced a religion . . .So I cannot tell. . . . all I have is a RELATIONSHIP with God through Christ Jesus. . . , .

3. why is point 2 so hard to understand?

huxley:
No, NO, No, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, NO.   C'mon be serious.  Are you saying that these are the only ways that Islam can transform once's life?

What about these:

The kindly and friendly disposition?

This does not include non-muslims. . , . . or does it?. . . .allah is very much against it. . . . .I would not trust a TRUE muslim with my friendship.

The disposition to honesty

do u know that LYING is allowed in islam?

The disposition to obey some of the good laws of Allah

how about the BAD laws?

The abandoning of drugs, alcohol, prostitution,

This is good news. . . , but is 4 wives and several temporary marriages not equal to prostitution?

The conservative dress code

is this a positive transformation?

The devotion to prayers, fasting, and communion with Allah.

This is irrelevant. . . .good deeds are ideal and important.

If Islam is false, why would it transform some people's lives at all?   Why do some people become "better" people after having been converted to Islam?

How can a muslim live a better life?  

Your idea of a better life is life outside the will of allah, . . . .
allah does not allow muslims to offer their friendship to non-muslims. . .he wants them all killed.
Allah promotes indecency, sexual immorality, paedophilia, human and women rights abuses and terrorism. . . . .these are in his injunctions to muslims. . . . .
Any muslim who does not do the above is NOT a good muslim in allah's book, . .so tell me huxley, how does the above constitute a positive transformation?

Those friends u have are either pretenders or BAD muslims. . . . .

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huxley:
I personally know of people who became Moslems and have turned their lives 180 degrees -

They have become more reliable friends, family and business partners.

They dedicate plenty of times in the lives to pray to Allah

The worship and celebrate their ways and laws of Allah

Their vision and ambitions are mediated via Allah.

I had and still have several  colleagues who are moslems and these are very good people indeed.



Just think about it this way - at some point in the past they wer no moslems in Nigeria, none whatsoever.   And then the people in Northen Nigeria accepted Islam and see how it has transformed their lives.

I dont understand what u term as TRANSFORMATION,  . . . .

1. are u refering to the amputation and beheading of defenceless people?

2. Are u refering to allah's instructions that they kill christians and jews. . . that has led to terrorism all over the world.

3. Are u refering to being transformed by the promises of allah. . .which include
a. ALL MUSLIMS going to hell
b. terrorists being rewarded with 72 virgins
c. allah promise to muslim women a place in HELL

4. how transformative is jihad or boko haram?. . .

I have no idea about what u call transformation. . .especially in the islamic context.

what are u up to?

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huxley:
Great - I like that. One thing though - Consider this: Supposing I replace God and Jesus in your narrative with Allah and Mohammed and said that some Moslem in North Nigeria has undergone also a great transformation in their life and vision and prospect by accepting Allah and Mohammed. Would you have any grounds for disputing the life-changing and transformative power of Allah and Mohammed?

I would simply ask questions. . . . . , my questions and their answers would reveal their understanding of the choice they have made.
I would ask questions about the many inconsistencies of mohammed. . . the origin of allah. . . . .the inhuman doctrines of allah. . . the reward for following allah. . . the essence of following allah, . . . .their individual position on these pertinent issues involving allah.

Their answers to these questions would reveal their premise for following allah.

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