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huxley:
check this out for my post: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=185999;sa=showPosts

uplawal:
i laugh in shorthand, i wish what u wish for me for yourself,its seems you are blind,cos if you are not, you wont keep repeating it that my conversion to ISLAM is due to my guy,fine i dated a muslim despite the fact that i was a good xtian and dnt allow any foolish church member to come btw my relationship,its that not a shame to u guys that of all the xtian guys,i had to date a muslim,cos you people are pretenders,worse,they sin anyhow,assume grace the next day and still jump on the keyboard,piano,mic and the pulpit to minister to others,no manners can be found in them,just pretence in SUIT, and for your info, my guyand our generation to come will be muslim forever insha Allahu

Abuzola:
God, forgive them for they don't know what they are doing

Abuzola:
Every nation has its prophet, we are in the nation of Prophet Muhammad, hence no one goes to the father except through Muhammad

huxley:
Did you NOT see this or have you got problems with comprehension?


Exodus 34: 1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."


And this

Exodus 27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.


Shall I rest again?

huxley:
Did you NOT see this or have you got problems with comprehension?


Exodus 34: 1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."


And this

Exodus 27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.


Shall I rest again?

huxley:
Now that you have LEARNT to ask a question that relates to WHAT I actually said, I shall address this in the next few minutes.

a)  Why should we trust the Law of Biogenesis?  Does it reveal some universal truth about nature?  How was the Law of Biogenesis arrived at and What is it anyway?

If you think the Law of Biogenesis is Truth, what is it about it that contradicts with The Theory of Evolution?

Now, the law of biogenesis, if it is truth, has nothing whatsoever to say about The Theory of Evolution.   The Theory of Evolution ONLY explains how life diversified,  NOT how life started.  

Can you show me any scientific material that says that the Theory of Evolution addresses the origins of Life?

huxley:
Please, address the case of the DIFFERENCES between the two sets of commandments.

In the case of Jehovah, we examine the narrative about God using a number of methods - anthropological, historiogical, and scientific, etc, etc.  [size=16pt]Evidence from these diverse disciplines [/size]suggests the Jehovah is a mythological figure from antiquity,

uplawal:
which holy spirit is this ignorant fella keep repeating,pls get lost with your idea of third god,incase of the bible,am not a novice when it comes to reading and studying, am very comortable with my GLORIOUS QURAN,am so tired of 3gods falsehood

huxley:
Analysis of Noetic's response to Question 4:

4) Why are the 10 commandments given in Exodus 34 so vastly different from those given in Exodus 20, given that Exodus 34 were supposed to be a
replacement of those that Moses broke in Exodus 20? Did God lose his mind when it came to re-writing what he had written only a few days earlier?

Noetic's Response



These are the Verses of Exodus 34 examined:


1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."



Now, look ar the highlighted words of God, viz, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. So God said he was going to write on the new tablets of stones the words THAT WERE ON THE FIRST ONE THAT MOSES BROKE.

Could these worlds be any clearer?

But Noetic claims that God gave Moses the new sets of commandments in accordance with some request Moses made in Verses 8 & 9. "It is as such deducible that the commandments in exodus 34 are as a result of the request moses made in verses 8 and 9. . .not with standing the purpose for which moses went on the mount (which was to retrieve the 10 commandments) was also achieved."

But verses 8 & 9 does not actually say that this had any bearing on the content of the commandments. These are verses 8 & 9;

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 "O Lord, if I have found favor in your eyes," he said, "then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance."


Can anyone detect anything here that had bearing on the content of the commandment?


Noetic makes the following claims:

Noetic says verses 32 - 34 has Moses speaking the commandments "which were not written on the tablets to the children of Israel.". This is a strange statement. Let us really examine what verses 32-34 say;

32 Afterward all the Israelites came near him, and he gave them all the commands the LORD had given him on Mount Sinai. 33 When Moses finished speaking to them, he put a veil over his face. 34 But whenever he entered the LORD's presence to speak with him, he removed the veil until he came out. And when he came out and told the Israelites what he had been commanded, 35 they saw that his face was radiant. Then Moses would put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with the LORD.

How does Noetic know that Moses was speaking about commandments "which were not written on the tablets to the children of Israel."? Where does he get this? Is he making it up.



What is interest is that Noetic does not address the question at all. I asked why the commandments in Exodus 34 bears little resemblance to those in Exodus 20, but he says nothing whatsoever relating to the discrepancy I am alluding to.

The new 10 commandments in Exodus 34 are contained in versers 10 - 26, and even a casual examination will show that these diverges drastically from those in Exodus 20:



10 Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 "Do not make cast idols.

18 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 "The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
"No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 "Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 "Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the LORD your God.

25 "Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

26 "Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.
"Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."





1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).


2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.


3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8 . The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.



My favorite of these new set of commandements is the last one (Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.)


So these are the commandments which were at the centre of the Ark of the Covenant, one of the most holiest of things in antiquity. These commandments replaced those given in Exodus 20. Yet there is little similarity between them.

What happen to the injunction about killing, purjury, adultery, etc? Did Noetic's God lose his mind?

mazaje:
Not at all. . . .I think I understand your internet personality a bit by now. . .

mazaje:
Why now don't you believe in freedom of speech?. . . .

Deep Sight:
Brilliant, Huxley! I demand that we should not respond any further to this thread as Huxley has conclusively proved that Noetic's God does not exist.

But please let's note that even if "God" as defined by the Bible/ Quoran does not exist, this does not nullify the existence of an uncaused cause, a prime mover and core creative element for the universe. That element, which manifests attributes of intelligence and Power, is what is defined as God within the cosmological argument.

So God exists, but Noetic's god has today been put to the sword by Huxley.

mazaje:
Do you bother to read the bible in its entertity or do you pick and choose what to believe in as uaual?. . . .What do you mean by suffering is the absence of your mythical god?. . .The bible does not say such at all. . .these are the lies you guys tell yourselves so that you can sleep at night while maintaining your delusions. . .The bible says the oppisite. . .If you have any verse that says suffering is the absence of the bible god pls put it forward. . .this is what the bible has to say about the problem of evil. . .

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

(Isaiah 45:7,) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I do not believe that evil is caused by the imaginary bible god but that is what his alleged word says. . .Amos 3: 6 goes ahead and makes a very bold claim saying that the bible god himself is responsible for the evil that takes place in every city. . . . This debunks all your apologetics. . . .


Where exactly does the bible say this. . .when will you guys stop lying to yourselves?. . In fact this is what the bible says about political leaders. . . .

Rom13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 
Rom 13:2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 
Rom 13:3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 
Rom 13:4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 
Rom 13:5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 
Rom 13:6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 

The bible says those in authorities were put there by the bible god and should be respected no matter what. . .why then are you talking about political power. . .Personally i know that no god put people in power but why not go but what your bible says when making claims. . .

The bible does NOT say any of what you have written down at all. . . .

Every body wants this kind of utopia that is why every myth contains this heaven myth as a place where people can go and rest from the evils of this world. . . . . . . .

Do you accept this rationalization for Islam? Will you accept if moslems tell you that allah will destroy and do anything for his chosen ummah including killing and destruction of the enemies?. . .Moslems have a god who cares for them no? It is also DANGEROUS to live outside of allah's shield. . .So next time DO NOT complain if moslems kill you because they are doing what allah tells them. . .just as you believe that it is was OK for your god to order the killings and destruction of others. . . NEVER again complain if moslems go about killing for their god because they are doing exactly what their god says something which you believe is ONLY right if it is your god that commands it. . . .what makes the murders that were sanctioned by your god right and that sanctioned b allah wrong? are they not both gods?. . .Stop complaining when moslems kill you people ever again because they are doing what their own god tells themto do. . .

Where is your scientific evidence, historical evidence methods which show that yahweh is not a myth. . .

huxley:
YES - So if God could have done this, BUT did NOT do it, thus ensuring that there would be SIN and suffering (causing him to REGRET having created MAN), then he CANNOT be an OMNIBENEVOLENT being.

HENCE, a contradiction or internal inconsistency in this given ontology of God.  Existence does not admit of contradiction, thus God with the given properties CANNOT exist.

My case RESTS.

Thank you for helping me prove the non-existence of your God.

huxley:
No, that is not where I and heading.  I couldn't care less about it.  

But answer my question.

[size=16pt]Could God have brought about a state of affairs where there was no SIN.  And NO Suffering?
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huxley:
Could God have brought about a state of affair where there was no SIN. And NO Suffering?

The subject of my disbelief is Jehovah, Allah, Zeus, Thor, etc, etc.

Jehovah - My knowledge of Johovah stems from the bible, according to which Jehovah is the God of the Jews firstly and then secondly thru Jesus, the God of the world. The ontology of Jehovah as presented the the Judeo-Christian tradition is as follows: transcendence, omnipotent, omnipresence, omnibenevolent, wicked, Jealous, murderous, vindictive, has a mind, possesses freewill amongst others.

Mind you - as I did not posit Jehovah, I can only give you his attributes as I have learned from the Judeo-Christian tradition. Besides this tradition, I know nothing else about Jehovah.


The reason I do not accept this ontology is that is possess contradictions and internal inconsistencies, such as;

- Why is there so much natural suffering in the world in this Jehovah is omnibenevolent and omnipotent. An omnibenevolent being is one who is only capable of good - omnipotence means he is capable of bringing about any state of affairs. So if Jehovah has these attributes why is there so much suffering in the world.

- Why would an omnibenevolent being called for his followers to murder innocent infants, rape and kill their parents, etc, etc? It makes no sense in the light of his omnibenevolence.


- And many other contradictions and inconsistencies.

b, c, d) I don't think there is direct scientific evidence that God does not exist. I have NEVER argued this case and neither would any well informed atheist. Think of it this way - is there scientific evidence that dragons, fairies, satyrs do not exist?

However, if you tell me what attributes an entity possesses, I could use any number of means to evaluate such attributes, including science. So if you define a dragon as a fire-breathing animal, I would use my knowledge of biology and chemistry to determine the likeliwood of such an animal existing. It turns out that biology and chemistry says that it is very unlikely for a biological system to spontaneously produce fire from their internals. So for all intends and purposes, dragons are unlikely to exist.

In the case of Jehovah, we examine the narrative about God using a number of methods - anthropological, historiogical, and scientific, etc, etc. Evidence from these diverse disciplines suggests the Jehovah is a mythological figure from antiquity, just like Thor, Zeus, Wotan. On this basis I have no choice but to disbelieve in the existence of Jevohah.



So in the light of the present evidence, I have no choice but to disbelief in his possessing this attributes. So if he does not possess these attributes, then he cannot be God as currently construed.

uplawal:
you are an idiot mukina,is it your daddys palace,why did u delete my post,you so rude,what name av i called that warrant you to delete my post?dnt just bring that one at all,HEADGIRL

Abuzola:
@mukina, you have started again, isn't this thread meant for complain ? I complained why the permanent locking of the sultan thread or is he too big to be corrected. I tire for you people, lets go back to madrasa, if our leader is unguided by his advisers does that mean we should be silent in the name of loyalty. Or who are you scared of ? Tell me

14) Why did Jesus say he was going to come back again in the life time of his followers? Even the apostle Paul preached the idea that Jesus was coming
back in the lifetime of his listeners. And has he come back?