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Forum GamesRe: The Guess Game by noetic2: 4:49pm On Sep 20, 2009
Age: 45

Status: desperate bachelor shocked shocked

Reason: hez a cool dude
Forum GamesRe: Pls Join The Ongoing Phone Conversation by noetic2: 4:48pm On Sep 20, 2009
how about visiting the zoo shocked shocked
Foreign AffairsRe: Hauled Before Court After Defending Beliefs In Discussion With Muslim Guests by noetic2: 1:23pm On Sep 20, 2009
muslims only go to court when they are in the minority. . . . . . . . .can u imagine what they would do to the couple if it were in an islamic country?
Forum GamesRe: Pls Join The Ongoing Phone Conversation by noetic2: 1:19pm On Sep 20, 2009
lolz, u wish

howz ur weekend? anything new?
Forum GamesRe: Pls Join The Ongoing Phone Conversation by noetic2: 1:14pm On Sep 20, 2009
how city will humiliate u today. , . grin cheesy shocked shocked
Christianity EtcRe: The Price Is Only Belief/faith In One Single God, Without Parnership. Buy It Low by noetic2: 1:11pm On Sep 20, 2009
olabowale:
noetic has no conscience. a man says all of the above, and all you do was limply write "u answered your question urself!?" How did he do that, expectially when you failed to meet his challenge? please explain because wonders never cease to spring from the rank of the christians; triune, trinity, human god, ghost god, father god, all from smoking pipe as in pipe dream, dreaming it up from the influence of smoking! lol. Seriously.
he answered his challenge himself by quoting the verse where Jesus said "I and my Father are one" . . . , what he makes of that verse is irrelevant. . . . but that verse answers his query.
so what are thou screaming about?
Forum GamesRe: Pls Join The Ongoing Phone Conversation by noetic2: 12:51pm On Sep 20, 2009
whats going on here? shocked shocked
IslamRe: Why Threaten A Poor Girl? by noetic2(op): 12:50pm On Sep 20, 2009
Deep Sight:
If Jesus could have rejected even the mildest praise in saying: "Don't call me good, only God is Good"

Don't you think he would also be inclined to say "Don't worship me, only God should be worshipped"? ? ? ? ? ? ?
another inconsistent dogma.
Christianity EtcRe: CHURCH DOUBLES AS MOSQUE DURING RAMADAN by noetic2: 12:50pm On Sep 20, 2009
olabowale:
@Noetic: « #7 on: Yesterday at 09:05:25 PM » You should be able to search these things out by yourself! Haba. O ya o le to yi ni?

Did you mean: the christian guests of muhammad in the mosque in Madina


Search ResultsInteractions Between Prophet Muhammad and Christians | ArticlesWhen the first Muslim guests arrived there, they met with the King. , Makka and Madina had a very small Christian population (Waraqa ibn Nawfal was , Prophet Muhammad allow-ed them to pray in the mosque (Masjid al-Nabawi) where the ,
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when did google replace the koran or haddith?
IslamRe: fatwa on muslim convert to xtian by noetic2: 12:48pm On Sep 20, 2009
its because allah and mohammed DONT forgive or forget. . . . . .they kill.
Christianity EtcRe: The Price Is Only Belief/faith In One Single God, Without Parnership. Buy It Low by noetic2: 12:44pm On Sep 20, 2009
Deep Sight:
Noetic, if you can cite me even ONE verse in the bible where Jesus himself claimed to be God, i will be silent forever. There is not even one.

And let me make your work easier by averting the "I and the Father are one" statement, because in that very breath he also said - "Just as ye and i are one." Also in praying to God he said, "May they all be one, just as ye and i are one". So its clear that the "oneness" was not existential but metaphorical.

If you can show me ONE VERSE where he claimed to be God, I will go on exile. If you cannot do this, you have lost your certificate of worthiness.

On the other hand, i can show you more than ten verses where he positively asserts that he is NOT God.

Do the words 'Council of Nicea" mean anything to you?
u answered ur question urself.
Forum GamesRe: ╚►Kiss! Bleep! Hug! Or Pass!◄╝ by noetic2: 1:11am On Sep 20, 2009
plenty of hugzz and kissessssssssssssss
Christianity EtcRe: Whats Your Opinion About Jesus, The Christian God by noetic2: 1:03am On Sep 20, 2009
just like the disbelieving jewish population. . . . ur only problem with Jesus is the fact that He was a jewish carpenter. . . . . .that tells a lot about ur objectivity.
Forum GamesRe: Can You Answer A Question With A Question? IV by noetic2: 1:00am On Sep 20, 2009
what?
Forum GamesRe: State One Thing You Don't Like About The User Above You by noetic2: 1:00am On Sep 20, 2009
nice grl cheesy
Forum GamesRe: ╚►will You Eva Date D Person Above U?◄╝ by noetic2: 12:59am On Sep 20, 2009
lolz. . . . have u forgotten ur usual bed time? shocked shocked shocked

@ topic

shez in love with who? shocked shocked
yes.
Forum GamesRe: ╚►will You Eva Date D Person Above U?◄╝ by noetic2: 12:53am On Sep 20, 2009
why not? . . . ow are u?

[quote author=BABE! link=topic=284505.msg4577067#msg4577067 date=1253400618]noetic2 sorry which 1 r u, guy r girl huh[/quote]guy undecided
IslamRe: Only Timid Muslims Faults Gani's Burial Style by noetic2: 11:49pm On Sep 19, 2009
olabowale:
@Noetic: And since they delayed it, what difference was there: he came back alive? I hope you do reflect on things sometimes and not let your hatred eat you up alive?

What did Jesus give for the Christians; three days in the cave? I will like to see that. Alhamdulllah that my mother left that thing. I dont have to worry about the old woman which consumed me for many years on end. We discussed the alleged Satanic verses before and I will add this; If a person is trying to hide anything, would be have added half of it or some part, when it makes sense to make hidden everything?

Finally, why would the same person cursed and instructed people to curse the thing except that he hated it, while you said he worships that same thing? I hope you dont curse none of the three thing s you worship; Father, Son and Ghost?

If you dont, it means that you do worship them. If we curse Shaitan, know that we do not worship him, except we take him as an open enemy! You wanna clam Faweyinmi, it dimishes Allah none!
blah blah blah. . . . .Gani refused to be buried a muslim. . . why? he had his doubts about the authenticity of allah and mohammed. . .simple.
Christianity EtcRe: WHO IS HE? by noetic2: 11:41pm On Sep 19, 2009
uplawal:
@noetic,see an ignorant dude claiming to be in the company of intelligent folks,who is ignorant amongs us?is it not u that never knew until recently that their IDOLATORY TRINITY came into existence by the COUNCILOF NICEA,shame on you people,"WORSHIPPERS OF THE SUN"
as usual. . .u have made no sense. . , congrats.
Forum GamesRe: ╚►will You Eva Date D Person Above U?◄╝ by noetic2: 11:40pm On Sep 19, 2009
if he was a gal. , . . shocked shocked shocked
Forum GamesRe: ╚►Kiss! Bleep! Hug! Or Pass!◄╝ by noetic2: 11:39pm On Sep 19, 2009
pass
Christianity EtcRe: The Price Is Only Belief/faith In One Single God, Without Parnership. Buy It Low by noetic2: 11:38pm On Sep 19, 2009
olabowale:
So explain Trinity by using apple, egg, water, shamrock leaf, or whatever and allow honest questions of your disertation.

I summit to you that your explanation will be equal to you passing up a full grown woman as a boy; they are not similar! Duuh.

And Muhammad forgave the Makkan as Yusuf forgave his brother:

Did you mean: muhammad forgave the people of makkah who thought that he will kill them all Read them allNoetic.

Search ResultsWhyislam.org Forums: Prophet Muhammad's Love for All Beings12 posts - 2 authors - Last post: Aug 30

If not, then he will please his heart with kind words. Among people, he was known by good manners and to them all he was like an affectionate father. , and he forgave the people of Makkah who had wronged him, , It was he [the Prophet Muhammad] who turned the course of human thought from ,
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Afghanland.com Afghanistan Mohammad (s) The Prophet of IslamMuhammad replied, "I cannot read," as he had not received any formal , man of Makkah in place of Muhammad and to allow them to kill Muhammad. , Upon hearing this, the people of Makkah mocked at him. , The Prophet forgave them all saying: [b]"I will treat you as Prophet Yousuf (Joseph) treated his brothers. , ]/b]
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Iqra Islamic Publications: The Holy Prophet MuhammadSome of them tried to bribe Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Sallam) , They decided to kill him. The leaders chose a young man from each clan of Quraish. , They thought that it was impossible for Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa , Next, he forgave the leaders of Quraish and the people of Makkah. ,
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The Conquest of MakkahSep 16, 2002 , Abu Sufyan returned to Makkah and reported to his people the frustration of his efforts. , the day of the great war, the day when all taboos will be lifted. , Muhammad also forgave Hind, wife of Abu Sufyan, who chewed the liver of , Muhammad told the Makkans that he loved them the most, ,
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The Life of Prophet Muhammad By Mohammed Marmaduke PickthallFeb 24, 2009 , He thought it unlikely that the Prophet really meant to give battle in , When she said that she had done it on account of the humiliation of her people, he forgave her. , Although Makkah had been conquered and its people were now , He reminded them of all the duties Islam enjoined upon them, ,
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[PDF] Who is the Prophet MuhammadFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View
the pagans tried to kill Muhammad and his followers both secretly and openly to stop the , Yet, though they hurt him, Muhammad looked beyond his own wounds and forgave , When the people of Makkah made things difficult for , he destroy them!" Contrary to the people's expectations, the Prophet said: "O Allah! ,
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why is none of these LIES recorded in ur koran?
Forum GamesRe: Comment On D User Id Of D Person Above U! by noetic2: 10:59pm On Sep 19, 2009
oops. , whats there to say? shez a she shocked shocked shocked
Christianity EtcRe: The Healing Power Of Jesus Christ: Watch The Videos by noetic2: 10:43pm On Sep 19, 2009
fyneguy:
lol accusations? I see. I posted videos of the sick being healed and all you could talk about was ''accusations''?

I should know well enough the source of your inspiration and not to waste my time, answering questions inspired by a strange spirit.
whats the source of my inspiration?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is Jesus Christ? by noetic2: 10:42pm On Sep 19, 2009
dwonder:
WHEN the apostle Paul healed a lame man in Lystra, the people shouted: “The gods have become like humans and have come down to us!” Paul they called Hermes, and his companion Barnabas, Zeus. (Acts 14:8-14) In Ephesus the silversmith Demetrius warned that if Paul was allowed to continue to preach, ‘the temple of the great goddess Artemis would be esteemed as nothing.’—Acts 19:24-28.

People in the first century—like many today—worshiped “those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth.” Paul, in fact, said: “There are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’.” However, he also explained: “There is actually to us one God the Father,” and “there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.”—1 Corinthians 8:5, 6.


Note the AND that scripture did not say there is one God the father , Jesus.

Was Jesus Also Called God?

Although Jesus never claimed to be God, as Jehovah’s appointed ruler he is identified in[b] Isaiah’s prophecy by the terms “Mighty God” and “Prince of Peace.” [/b]Isaiah’s prophecy adds: “To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end.” (Isaiah 9:6, 7) So, as the “Prince”—the son of the Great King, Jehovah—Jesus will serve as Ruler of the heavenly government of “God Almighty.”—Exodus 6:3.

Yet, a person may ask, ‘In what sense is Jesus a “Mighty God,” and didn’t the apostle John say that Jesus is himself God?’ In the King James version of the Bible, John 1:1 reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Some argue that this means that “the Word,” who was born on earth as the baby Jesus, is Almighty God himself. Is this true?

If this verse were interpreted to mean[b] Jesus was himself God Almighty, it would contradict the preceding statement, “the Word was with God.” Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person. [/b]Many Bible translations thus draw a distinction, making clear that the Word was not God Almighty. For example, a sampling of Bible translations say the following: “The Word was a God,” “a god was the Word,” and “the Word was divine.”

Bible verses that in the Greek language have a construction similar to that of John 1:1 use the expression “a god.” For example, when referring to Herod Agrippa I, the crowds shouted: ‘It is a god speaking.’ And when Paul survived a bite by a poisonous snake, the people said: “He is a god.” (Acts 12:22; 28:3-6) It is in harmony with both Greek grammar and Bible teaching to speak of the Word as, not God, but “a god.”—John 1:1.

Consider how John identified “the Word” in the first chapter of his Gospel. “The Word became flesh and resided among us,” he wrote, “and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs [not to God but] to an only-begotten son from a father.” So “the Word,” who became flesh, lived on the earth as the man Jesus and was seen by people. Therefore, he could not have been Almighty God, regarding whom John says: “No man has seen God at any time.”—John 1:14, 18.

‘Why, then,’ one may ask, ‘did Thomas exclaim when seeing the resurrected Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”?’ As already noted, Jesus is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father. Jesus had just told Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God. Remember, too, why John wrote his Gospel. Three verses after the account about Thomas, John explained that he wrote so that people “may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God”—not that he is God.—John 20:17, 28, 31.


When Peter carried the good news about Jesus to Cornelius, there was a further opportunity to reveal the Trinity doctrine. What happened? Peter explained that Jesus is “Lord of all.” But he went on to explain that this lordship came from a higher source. Jesus was “the One decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.” After Jesus’ resurrection, his Father “granted him [gave him permission] to become manifest” to his followers. And the holy spirit? It does appear in this conversation but not as the third person of a Trinity. Rather, “God anointed [Jesus] with holy spirit and power.” Thus, the holy spirit, far from being a person, is shown to be something impersonal, like the “power” also mentioned in that verse. (Acts 10:36, 38, 40, 42) Check the Bible carefully, and you will find further evidence that the holy spirit is not a personality but an active force that can fill people, impel them, cause them to be aglow, and be poured out upon them.

Finally, the apostle Paul had a fine opportunity to explain the Trinity—if it had been true doctrine—when he was preaching to the Athenians. In his talk, he referred to their altar “To an Unknown God” and said: “What you are unknowingly giving godly devotion to, this I am publishing to you.” Did he publish a Trinity? No. He described the “God that made the world and all the things in it, being, as this One is, Lord of heaven and earth.” But what of Jesus? “[God] has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed.” (Acts 17:23, 24, 31) No hint of a Trinity there!

In fact, Paul explained something about God’s purposes that makes it impossible that Jesus and his Father are equal parts of a Trinity. He wrote: “God ‘subjected all things under his [Jesus’] feet.’ But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” (1 Corinthians 15:27, 28) Thus, God will still be over all, including Jesus.


@Davidlan
Have you not heard people say boy is his is father! That doesn't mean the  boy is both son and father but that the son has same qualities and features like the father. e.g Adenuga's son Paddy Adenuga can boastfully tell you that when you have seen him you have seen his father. Is it the same as saying that Paddy Adenuga is the father.

I'm writing this for those who want to examine the concept of trinity with an open mind with the believe that it can be flawed and not for those who will not change there stance even if Jesus comes from Heaven to proof that he takes orders from his father which definitely does not make he lower that he should be.

Peace
you discarded the verses that state that Jesus is God. . .and picked others to arrive arrive at ur preconceived notion.
No. . .ur analysis was NOT rich neither was it inspiring.
Christianity EtcRe: Whats Ur Opinion On "prophet" Mohammed? by noetic2(op): 10:35pm On Sep 19, 2009
olabowale:
@Noetic: « #3 on: Yesterday at 06:13:48 PM »  And you have failed to point one out for us, and all you do is go to the back alleys to spew out your lies as if on the Pulpit, preaching. Show it and we will hatch it out, and n the end you will remain the loser, never able to practically substantiate your clams.

Unless Ayatullah told you that he thighed a woman, not even a female babies then we will have to equate his action to that of the numerous Christian notable leaders; pastors, Televangelsts, Catholic reverends, who are found in sexual improprietis of child abuses, homosexualities, fornicatons, stealing the communities monies, fake miracles recorded, then we shall have to say that they they got them from Jesus of the Bble, since they are Christ-like! This is fair no? Now you will be whistling Dixe.

All your tricks are exposed and they aint tricks at all.
who was ayatollah emulating? did mohammed not thigh and have sex with a 9 year old?
Christianity EtcRe: The Price Is Only Belief/faith In One Single God, Without Parnership. Buy It Low by noetic2: 10:33pm On Sep 19, 2009
olabowale:
@Noetic « #251 on: Today at 06:01:49 PM » If its not your fault, I dont know whose it is for 2 reasons; you are either a terrible tutor or that you tutor a rotten subject! In both cases you goofed because you are passing the impossible as reality to realist.

Allah says condemning Trinity or gods that He sent like kind to the masses. He further makes it easier for the heart to take it by saying if "Angels" were the inhabitant of the earth, He would have sent Angel to them. But no, it is human so He sent humans; among them was Jesus to the Israelites, Muhammad to all mankind.
You are a terribly bad student. I know of at least 6 people who have explained the trinity concept to you, , . , . .you are a bad student.

Go on google and enter;
1). Muhammad at victory of Makka forgave the people while they expected him and his companions to kill them all.
2). Muhammad forgave the Jewess who poison him upon her boldly saying she did put poison in the meat on purpose.
3). Just for kick enter"The man who first introduced idol into the prencinct of the Kaaba; was it from the time it was built or after and was there an Idol represented named allah in the 360 of the idols? You can do follow up researches you knoow.
Absolute rubbish.

Is it written ANYWHERE in ur koran or haddiths that mohammed EVER FORGAVE anyone?

Many masajid in England, America, and the many african countries have abundance of them. In some parts of the world, just as masajid are scarce in south america, churches and synagogues are scarce in the gult, the greater arab/middle east and north africa and we should not forget about malaysia, etcChina and many many parts of the orient! You statement is not a wise statement.

And oh, I am happy that you said what you said about Islam in the same spirit of the young nazi member now Pope. This gives me the opportunity to respond to you so that you carry it to him; I guess the 2 world wars were the wars of Muslims, or the wars of the arabs. What about the Atomic Bombs and now Nuclear Bombs? What about the genocide of the American natives based on the principal of the Bible to kill them all, everything that breath? What about the Slavery, and others?
What about prostitutions; in the red districts of Europe, and the North American brothels? What about the terroism of Professor Kiskinsky (am not sure the spelling is correct), the american math prof dubbed "the Unibomber", and the attach on Morrow Oklahoma city building? How about the rapes of Iraqi young women, even as they cover themselves up in their own country, and what about the colonialization of Africas and brown skin people? What about KKK, Skinheads, Arian Nation people and the Hooligans? There are still many but I believe they are all Muslims? And oh, the Big daddy of them all; the Crusade.

You see how you and the ignorant Pope belong together; (, )!
Absolute rubbish.

When muslims are in the minority they are terrorists.
when they are in the majority, they oppress the defenceless and exploit people. . . . . . .arrant nonsense.
Christianity EtcRe: The Healing Power Of Jesus Christ: Watch The Videos by noetic2: 10:27pm On Sep 19, 2009
fyneguy:
There's no point looking for more nails to nail the pastor's ministry with. The mere fact that he ''stage-manages'' miracles should be enough for you to label him a false prophet.
all I did was to to call them accussations . . . . .so why dont u answer my questions?
Christianity EtcRe: How Would Jesus Deal With A Muslim & Mohammed Deal With A Christian? by noetic2: 7:08pm On Sep 19, 2009
. . grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Price Is Only Belief/faith In One Single God, Without Parnership. Buy It Low by noetic2: 6:01pm On Sep 19, 2009
olabowale:
Godson2009 and Noetic:« #248 on: Today at 03:48:38 PM » Okay guys, tell us in logical and practical explanation that a 10 year old child will understand, and not just going away from you and say under the breath that this "old man must be crazy to believe this foolishly! Maybe I should outsmart him by taking 3 pounds from him, and pocket it, and turn around to tell me that he only gave me one pound in the tradition of the TRINITY that he believes so much!". I will be waiting to see how smart you guys are, somehow maybe you will by that smartness discover how foolish you have been all along in being a trinitist! If if you wanna remain foolish in thinking try your hand in a snow job that you will be called on to do it again, because a new batch just cover what you thought you did, nothing!
u keep embarrassing urself with this 3 pounds for one pound thing. . . . . .There are more than 5 threads where the concept of trinity has been explained to u, . . . is it my fault that u cannot gasp the concept of trinity?


Do you buys believe that Muhammad became victorious over the Makkans where he destroyed the 360 idols in the kaaba? That ocassion ushered in the first ever wholesale forgiveness by any prophet, not doubting whether to or not, but actually have just one purpose forgiveness of crimes against him, where the people had already resignedto being punished, except he forgave them, and anyone who was ever punished by him is based on other crimes and not based on any against him.

The other is the Jewess who poisoned him. Is tere a person crime to be committed against you, as great as the one on your life? Attempting to kll you? If Muhammad (AS) forf=gave the woman, mind you he was the ahority in Madina at that time, tell me what is equal to that in the life of any prophet before him (AS), considering that a weak man saying he forgives a strong man he cant retaliate against even if he wishes to is an empty statement of forgiveness, unlike the person who is powerfulforgving a weak man, in this case a woman, an enemy combatant n the tradition of George Bush as he sees all Iraqi even after his "famous" all combat in Iraq is over statement! I want you guys to show me; compare and contrast!
where EXACTLY is it RECORDED that mohammed EVER forgave anyone?

You must must be an empty speech speaker! When t is every 5 minutes between one another, you populate with what now; Aladuras, Catholics, orthodies, and those who are not with Adgboye, or you end up with empty seats and empty hurches, since each parish dont pay attention to others and will not pray in there, and according to you, the muslims are increasing based on birth rates? I hope you dont think that allof a sudden, the Hindus are gong to abandone Hinduism for christendom even after England failed to spread i that socety as much and for as long as they ruled over nda? Chna s even more stubborn, and Japan and the whole of orient is just as tough as the China example? Or you home the Jews wll abandone Judaism, or the Muslim will abandone Islam or the trend out of Christanity to Atheism and Agnostics, etc will suddenly reverse itself?

Did you really think the response above through, before you did, because it is so empty that you will see the vase vacuum staring at you. You statement is as it is not there at all.

Maybe the Christians should have people like you to give her first opinion, and they will come to me for second opinion, where by I will chrage them up to the roof for whatever I say.
we all knwo what the islamic population has done to this planet. . . . . , .terrorism, injustice and paedophilia. who wants a mosque in his neighbourhood?
Christianity EtcRe: How Would Jesus Deal With A Muslim & Mohammed Deal With A Christian? by noetic2: 5:55pm On Sep 19, 2009
Deep Sight:
@ Noetic, for some reason i credited you, and still credit you, with greater abilities and reasoning than your last post justified.

You were absolutely unable to address any of the issues.

Let's have a look.

The fact that something is prophesied does not mean it was the will of God. The prophets prophesied many terrible happenings which certainly were not willed by God. A prophecy, as you know, is a prediction of a future event. Daniel's prophecies on the future course of human empire were most omnious, and certainly those events could not be said to be the will of God. So please, bring on another argument.
Can u give ONE example of ANY PROPHECY in the bible that is not of God's will? u must also establish and how and why it is not of God's will.


Again[b], i notice you had absolutley nothing to say about the parable of the vineyard[/b]. It is striking in its stark rebuttable of your conception of the purpose of Jesus's death. In response you could only point to prophecy. AS I HAVE INDICATED, the fact that something is predicted does not mean it is the will of God.
I believe that my response was adequate. You cannot single out a scripture to justify ur ill conceived notions.
in luke 11:5-8 Jesus Gave another parable of a sleeping friend,  . . . . . . . . does this parable suggest that God sleeps? read psalm 121:4
You cannot naively single out bible scriptures without having an understanding of inherent biblical notions. Your analysis of the vineyard is fundamentally flawed as it does not reflect the underlying purpose and message intended.

Please give me your own alternate interpretation of that parable if you dare.
The parable is as simple as stated. prophets were sent and were killed. . . and now the son Himself is here and would also be killed.
why would Jesus state this parable if He did not know that He would be killed?

No matter how hard you try, you must still concede that you owe your salvation to the acts of a traitor: Judas Iscariot. Please be decent and express some gratitude to him for once!
You are entitled to ur opinion. The bible has also stated its case. . . .cursed be the man through whom the prophecy is fulfilled.
Take for instance, there is a prophecy that when Mr A travels, he would be assassinated. ,  . .  .Mr A eventually travels and Mr B assassinates him. . .what credit is there for Mr B for assassinating Mr A? is his act justifiable?

I am really tired of the excuse that Jesus was carrying sin, and as such made the statement about God forsaking him.
Its not an excuse. . .neither is it a notion. . . its as easy as it comes. Jesus died for the sin of the world. . . . .take it or leave it.

1. Is it possible really for the perfection of "God" (who you say Jesus is) to be tainted with sin?

   2. Is it possible for God to forsake God?
u need to define "perfection", "sin" "Forsake" and "God" before I can answer ur question. . . .  I hate to think that I am debating with another olabowale.

These ideas are so ludicruous i just can't help but be amazed that rational persons can defend them.

I will like to enquire if you are aware of the catholic conventions supervised by the Holy Roman Emperor (the Council of Nicea) which decided much of the dogma that you now tenaciously cling on to.

Noetic, a better response please.
all of the above are silly belly-aching notions that carry no intellectual prowess.
IslamRe: Only Timid Muslims Faults Gani's Burial Style by noetic2: 4:31pm On Sep 19, 2009
[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=325974.msg4574657#msg4574657 date=1253366633]Shehu Sani faults critics of Fawehinmi's burial style
From Saxone Akhaine, Kaduna

THE Leader of the Northern Civil Society Coalition and chairman of the Socialist Front (SF), Malam Shehu Sani has condemned the criticisms by some Moslem clerics and other Islamic leaders against the befitting burial Nigerians gave to the late lawyer and human rights activist, Chief Gani Fawehinmi (SAN), saying that they belonged to the sect of religious fanatics who do not want the liberation of Nigerians from oppression.


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Sani spoke yesterday in Kaduna in reaction to the various criticisms by Islamic clerics and some members of the Association of Muslim Lawyers who allegedly condemned the fanfare and befitting burial of Fawehinmi by Nigerians.

He said: "Their thinking is irresponsible and their comment is unfortunate. They have lost their voices; they are people who lost their voices during the Obasanjo's eight years of rule. They are people whose voices could not be heard against the military administration. They are people whose voices were not heard against the oppressive regimes who perpetrated evil against the people of Nigeria. They were people who have never been identified for the freedom and rights of even the unborn Nigerians. They are people who are only interested in intervening on issues and matters that are of no importance. They are ignorant and completely anti-people."

Sani also explained that even in Moslem societies, the death of progressive leaders are always celebrated by their people to appreciate their contributions to the growth and development of the societies.

Sani queried: "Where were the so-called Islamic clerics in Nigeria when Anwal Saddat was buried in Egypt? Where were they when Yasar Arafat was buried in Palestine? Where were they when King Hassan of Morocco was buried and where were they when the King of Syria was buried?"

"Or were they uninformed, or rather were they ignorant when the people of Iran, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, or of Palestine were celebrating their leaders even in death? So, Gani's life was a life of service to mankind and humanity, and his burial was a people's will of love for him."

The human rights activist further stressed that "instead of the Islamic clerics to voice out things that matters to the common people and not raise issues on trivialities, they were displaying their ignorance and evil passion to Nigerian masses. Whether Gani was buried with fanfare or not, will not change the fact that he has served the generality of Nigerian people and that his contributions to the development of the society will continue to be remembered.

"I have discovered that this set of people who have been so docile to the issues that affect the country, the only issue that evokes their interest is the only issue of Gani's burial. I am a Muslim and I am hundred per cent in the know of what has happened".[/quote]You are so right.

Gani realised the inherent fault in his religion and the inconsistencies of its doctrines and propagators. Gani chose to be honoured by the people who he served while living. . . and they gladly did.
what difference would it have made if Gani had been buried the same day? who actually gave instructions that muslims be buried the day they die? was it not mohammed?
did mohammed not retract many of his revelations, claiming that the devil gave them to him?

Onr thing is certain. . . . . .For Gani to have denounced the islamic burial implies that he had his doubts about everything islamic. May Gani's soul rest in perfect peace.

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