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Bobbyaf:
No! No! Noetic. Remember science put simply, is a body of derived and acceptable knowledge. Something is either a fact or it is not, but to derive at such, a series of investigations have to be done in order to verify such.

However the data put forth by the advocates of the TOE are mere assumptive in nature. They themselves have been saying that science has proven this or that, when in actuality its just plain theory, and one that will never be proven correct.

mazaje:
. . .I laugh in greek. . .religious dogma is a very bad thing. . .Thanks to science we know that disease are caused by micro organisms not by demons and evil spirits as your ignorant bible writers said. . .

Atheists:
Should l cry or should l laugh ? What kind of disgusting joke is this ?

buda atum:
I am afraid I do not agree that "what we inherently called morality today is a function of convictions", noetic. In fact, if as you suggest laws come from God as depicted in the Bible, then it must have been a function of compulsion rather than conviction. Most people do not obey the laws (wherever they may have come from) becasue their heart tells them to. Most people obey laws becasue they fear the consequences of not obeying them. And most laws are passed with that in mind. A point in note is the very first Judaic commandment (at least as laid down in the book). It reads thus: "But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it." And please do note the consequences attached: "For in the day thou eatest, thou shalt die". Genesis 2:17

As to God's laws being a "universal barometer for morality", I suppose you work under the notion that God preceded laws, as is taught in Judaic religions. I am afraid that is not the case. Greeks had their own Gods who were not related to Yahweh in any way and they had their laws, as did the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Aztecans, Buddhists, Hindus, etc etc. And while they were all similar to Judaic laws, Judaic laws were not their origin, nor were the Jews the first to have them.

Please, if you really feel the need to learn, do read more book I would advise with no insult intended, and apologies too.

bawomolo:
Is the knowledge or fear of God needed for morality?

mazaje:
Were the jews killing each other and sleeping with each others wives with impunity before the 10 commandments were written down? Do you have any evidence to show that the jews were living like barbarians(Kiling each other, stealing from each other, raping each other, lying to each other with impunity before the 10 commandments were written down). Where is your evidence for this ridiculous claim? Did the 10 commandments stop Moses and his foot soldiers from killing others, raping them, stealing from them and enslaving them?. . .

Which laws exactly. . .and where is your evidence for any god issuing out laws to people. . .Are allah's laws the same with yahweh's laws?. . .

mazaje:
People try things and select what is best for them and the survival of their societies as a whole. . .

It is important. . .even thepresent day jews that believe in yahweh and in the laws of moses do NOT practice what is written in the Torah. . .That shows that their morality has evolved from that of their ancient ancestors. . .

Where is your evidence of  any god giving moses the 10 commandments?   . . . .Humans wrote the 10 commandment no? If you have any evidence of yahweh giving moses the 10 commandments beside what is written in the bible then let me know. . .

The Rigveda of Hinduism is proposed to have been composed between 1700–1100 BCE making it possibly the world's oldest religious text still in use it predates the OT and contains laws like that of the OT. . .You can google it up. . . .Are you trying to say that people that live in other parts of the world do not know and have punishment for stealing, killing, disobedience to parents, lying etc?. . . 1000 years ago there was nothing like Christianity in Nigeria are you trying to tell me that our ancestors do not know that lying was wrong, stealing was wrong, killing was wrong, sleeping with another man's wife was wrong?. . . .I can't even believe you are making this argument. . .

When the bible god was telling his chosen men to rape and kill other people that do not believe in him was that not the same thing?. . . Was thou shall not commit murder not part of the 10 commandements when moses and his cronies were killing others as the bible says?. . . .This goes to show you that the egyptians knew that killing was wrong even though the egyptians believed that killing of others was not wrong but killing of their own people was wrong something the jews themselves believe in. . the jews believe that it was OK to kill others but not OK to kill fellow jews. . . javascript

Afraid of what exactly?. . .I am just trying to show you that i can also play you silly games better than you. . .

My surrounding culture. . .I base my morality on the following. .

Whether my action harms another, Common sense,  . .  Understanding what hurts me personally which leads me to avoid causing others to feel the same thing.  . . .  Agreeing with other people's standards of morality and accepting them as good if it leads to the betterment of our survival as a whole,  . .  Critical thinking, weighing things up and Context,  . .

Confucius (551 B.C.E. – 479 B.C.E) said "don't do to others that which you don't want done to you" very long before jesus was born. . .

Atheists:
We are not delusional so don't expect us to come with some crackpot theory about how life evolved on earth. In science l trust !

bawomolo:
are you saying buddhists had[b] no moral code[/b] considering they didn't believe in a supreme being?

and which God's laws. Zeus, jesus or vishna?

Bobbyaf:
I am not sure they have an answer. They know they can no longer rely on the TOE which is becoming a laughing stock among its former advocates. If you read some of the original articles put together by the original converts of the TOE, and even those who taught it, you will realize the clauses that were placed in the articles or books themselves.

You begin to understand the kind of deception that these people are capable of producing. The more they dig into the truths of science, the more they discover that the TOE is the biggest lie that was ever made up, and this lie was covered up using so-called science.

Abuzola:
@nnetic, welcome on board. Your pragmat folks are helpless why not help them. I said your god died in pieces, do you ve any take or that

Abuzola:
Mr man why not answer my question and keep your story to urself

tubabie:
Why? Ravenzord is nice, or are you jealous?

noetic2:
I am not saving  

mazaje:
Does neotic have any evidence to show that moses wrote the book of genesis. . . ?

buda atum:
You can insist as much as you wish, Noetic, I for one, would rather you go and check the evidence. It would show you that laws, specifically, the commandments  (And do note that the commandments of the Jews are way more than the commonly known ten!) existed long before even the Jews did in societies that had no concept of the Judaic God. As to them being barbaric, sentiment alone would stop one saying that even the Jews were barbaric people before they got their laws. They were after all passed to educate people out of barbarism, which is what laws are intended for. If you passed those laws today, one should ask if you were passing them for barbarians. Below are the accepted beliefs about the origin of the Judaic Ten Commandments.

There are three basic beliefs about the origin of the Decalogue:
They were written and/or dictated by God at Mount Sinai, circa 1450 BCE.
They were written by three Hebrew authors (or groups of authors) between 922 and 622 BCE based upon ancient Hebrew myths and legends.
Their original source was in Pagan documents written by Hittites or Egyptians which were plagiarized and added to by ancient Hebrew writers. Source

No one abided by the laws of the Ten Commandment, Noetic! Not even the Jews whom you believe created them abided by them. One just need read the Bible to know how often they were broken to know that. But if you want to know what other societies had similar laws as the ten, then I assure you that the Egyptians had them encoded in their laws for one. Where else would Moses have learnt them from, or do you really think some sort of spirit carved them in stone for him on some Mount Sinai?

The Babylonians had them too. Perusal of their history will show you that they too had them handed down to them by Gods of some sort.

The Earliest Laws
Every society needs to have laws to protect itself and its members. Even ancient civilisations had laws, which were part of their religious ritual and tribal customs. These were passed on by example and by word of mouth.

The oldest written set of laws known to us is the Code of Hammurabi. He was the king of Babylon between 1792 BC and 1758 BC. Hammurabi is said to have been handed these laws by Shamash, the God of Justice. The laws were carved on huge stone slabs and placed all over the city so that people would know about them. Judges were appointed to see that they were obeyed. [url=http://www.civicsandcitizenship.edu.au/cce/pl_early_laws,9534.html]source[/url]

As to religion being the promoter of laws, that is so. Religion, after all is the only form of educating a people that existed in antiquity. And education in those days was mainly the teaching of the proper conduct of a people. That some higher authority needed to be resorted to to make people obey those laws is evident; even the Egyptian Pharaohs were not authority enough.

mazaje:
And the convictions came about as a mater of experimentation. . . .

Punishments to have changed so much and are not what they used to be in the past. . . people don't get stoned to death for disobeying their parents today. . .

This is a LIE. . . you have no evidence to show that any god issued any commandment to any body. . . all you have are people writing various laws and ascribing it to their god. . .People living in other societies LONG before moses was born knew that stealing was wrong, lying was wrong, having sex with another man's wife was wrong. . . . . Even moses had to run away according to the bible when he killed an egyptian, because he knew he will be punished according to the bible. . why because he knew that killing was wrong. . .this happened long before his god gave him the 10 commandment according to the biblical story. . .Thou shall not kill was NOT giving by any god. . . people knew that it was wrong to kill LONG before Moses was born. . . .

The Egyptians, The Chinese, The Greeks, The Indians. . .etc. . . . .

If you want to know what morality means consult the dictionary. . . .

From surrounding culture, my experience and common sense. . .