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fyneguy:
Simple. By asking you to go and start a stage-managed healing ministry and see how far you can go.

God bless you sir.

I would not do that cos I am not a fraud. But if I have a lot of money to throw around at the police, press and others I might even be a "bigger fraud"

why do u guys do first fruit? whats the biblical injunction that supports this?
whats the essence of sowing 70% of one s wages? is there any biblical scripture that supports this?

Abuzola:
@noetic. You didn't do justice to mr deepsight credible point. What you did was reflection meaning more details supporting deepsight point, incase you don't know. Let me talk on what flared my attention most. If i quote from the Quran that jesus didn't die and support it with moses Prophesy that no man can kill jesus will you believe it ? How can you quote from one old testament of the bibke and back up your claim meanwhile the jews torah never never have such prophesy. The second thing is judas is suppose to be considered a hero because the christianity faith says if jesus didn't die then no christianity and thats what separate you christian from those the existed before christ. What you did was just reflection. What a slowpoke

what is this paedophile saying?

Abuzola:
@gonson, thats what am telling your hypocrite brother, he was showing us that the old testament talked of jesu brutal assasination, how can we believe him, [b]he should quote from Quran [/b]or the Torah

what a fraudster.

why should I quote from allah's book of fraud?

how do u intend to dismiss the accusations of fraud and stage managed miracles hanging around "pastor" Chris?

olabowale:
@GODSON2009: How do you defend your worship of a servant of Eloi, Jesus; the servant who you sent? And you say you a son uh, when even it is clear that your god is a servant of ANOTHER GOD! Does that make any sense, even after you have done a dissertation on AbdulWahabb/Wahabbi and Syid Qubt of the muslim Brotherhood? Shouldnt you be doing a bigger resaerch how the Christians culd see servant as what Jesus and his companions described him as, yet you said you are a son to his Master, when Jesus is actually your master and he has a Master, making you having a true Master like all mankind, while you also have a master who also has my Master as his own master?


Are you sincere or just playing around?

do u know how ridiculous ur trinity ignorance on trinity sounds? drop it. . . . . .

olabowale:
And the many Churches of Adeboye, 5 minutes walk or drive, or run, take your pick will be devoid of any essence of practicallity, essentially empty because the Aladuras, The Celstrals, The Cherubum and Seraphims, for sure The Catholics, The other orthodoxes of the world, and many will just pass by it, without a glance and search for their own type of Church!

Your idea about Adeboye is like the concept of Starbuck Coffee Company, it started strong, over developed and now its closed tons of stores. Let me advise you, tell Adeboye to build them. It will safe the Muslims a lot of money when we buy tons of them upon the Corporation bankrupting and needs to unload them and get pennies on dollar for them!

And as to the many children, they are blesssings of Allah. Dont have Children and you will dwindle down. Lets catch up with you guys and then lets see how smart your decision to population freeze is!

blah blah blah . . . ,

olabowale:
Without going to spirituality, is there a greater secular crime to you than an attempt on your life?

If your foegive a person who attempted to end your life when you can punish him, are you not a person with greater degree of mercy than the person who simple made a statement to desuade a people from killing a person who they felt committed a crime on their societal morale?

The person who forgave a person with the attempt on his life is better, hence I think this man will even forgive a collection of crimes against him that is considerably less than attempt on his life. No?

Tell me a forgiveness than any prophet pronounced, and Muhammad forgave multiple of people who were his and his companions oppressors for 10 years straight, then tried to kill him, even as he escaped from them, then the Jewess was unwaivering in her determination about 7 or 8 years later, to kill him, yet he was the boss, with complete upperhand in both situations, and he did not kill either, not for the oppressions and the dirrect assult of ending his life!


Jesus of the Bible had a chance to forgive the two thieves on the Cross with him, he did not forgive one just for not recognsing him! How about killing the tree for just being tree, or the bad spirits that could have been commanded to disappear instead of letting them into a group of grazng pigs (animals that you guys with impunity, shameless about it), which made them run ino the water and drown themselves!

Such are the diference.

where is it recorded that mohammed forgave anyone?

Deep Sight:
Davidylan - I positively deny that:

  1. Within christ's view, only christians can be saved and

u have not given ANY insightful reason to support this stance. . . . .until then, this opinion will be discarded as the product of . . , .  

  2. That Christ's death on the cross was a spiritual sacrifice capable of redeeming any sins.

Some questions for you.

If Christ's death on the cross was intended by God as a spiritual sacrifice for redeeming sins THEN WHY -

  1. - Why would christ seek to evade the death on the cross? He prayed to God, asking for the cup to pass over his head. If indeed he were God, as you guys claim, HE COULD NEVER MAKE SUCH A PRAYER, because he would know the exact reason why the sacrifice was necessary, and coming from the divine heights, he could never be so irresponsible as to request that the central purpose of his earth-life should be thwarted.

I find it absolutely inconceivable that "God" could ever have made such a prayer. Jesus could only have made that prayer if the death on the cross was not his mission.

Another staggerin fact is that you lot fail to see the assault on the pagan trinity doctrine that is contained here. In stating "Nevertheless not as i will, but as you will" within that prayer, Jesus shows clearly that his will differed from the will of the Father, which is inconceivable if they are all one Godhead.

(Please in reaction to the above try to do better than giving me the worn-out excuse that it was his human frailty that made him utter these words, because frail or not, a knowledge of his purpose on earth would have precluded him from requesting an annulment of that very purpose - especially when he is supposedly God).

I have addressed this no less than 3 times on this forum.

a. was Jesus crucifixion prophesied before He was born?

b. did He fulfil all other prophecies concerning Him?

The prayer of Jesus can be examined from the point of view of teaching us how to pray, . . . . .always submit to the will of God.

These are core questions you need to reflect on, and please be objective, and don't seek to justify and explain-away clear contradictions.

2. Also, i would ask you to reflect on the parable of the vineyard. Jesus states that the owner of a vineyard left it to his tenants to tend. The tenants grew boorish and arrogant. He sent many messengers to them to warn them, but the killed each messenger. Finally, he thought to send his son, believeing that they would listen to him. The tenants said to themselves - "this is the heir, let us kill him, and the inheritance would be ours." They killed him. The parable states that the owner of the vineyard will be greatly enraged with tenants and bring his wrath upon them.

The parable is very clear. The Vineyard is the world, and the tenants are mankind. God is the owner. The messengers are the prophets, and eventually the son that came refers to Jesus. They killed the son, and this was not the will of the father, thus inciting his wrath.

Explain this away if you can - this shows that the death on the cross was not the will of God.

you cant just pick up a bible verse and attempt to align it to ur preconceived notions. If the crucifixion of Jesus was not the will of God. . .why did Isaiah prophesy His death 600 years before His death?  

3. Again, if it was the will of God, then Judas should be congratulated as the saviour of all mankind, for doing the will of God and ensuring our salvation by procuring Jesus' crucifixion.

your bible knowledge is porous.

The scriptures says that cursed be the man through whom that prophecy is fulfilled, . . . . , Judas is cursed.

4. Again, if it was the will of God, why on earth would Jesus scream while on the cross - "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" He should have known that this was only the fulfillment of God's purpose, and the question should never have come to his lips. ESPECIALLY SINCE HE IS SAID TO BE GOD HIMSELF.

I hope you can see how dreadfully contradictory your dogma is. It borders on the absurd and absolutely indefensible.[/b]. Go ahead and try to defend it, I want a logical point by point rebuttal, please, and not insults, thanks.

The least you must concede is that you accept it because its what you grew up being taught, because you must agree that it all sounds dreadfully improbable and contradictory to adherents of other faiths.

a. the bible says in Deuteronomy that cursed be anyone hung on a tree. Jesus was as such carrying a spiritual curse.

b. Jesus was sinless and was the last sacrifice acceptable to God. u can only understand this if u read the essence of priestly sacrifices recorded in Exodus, Leveticus, Numbers and Dueteronomy.

c. God cannot behold sin. . . . Jesus was carrying your and my sins, , . .what do u understand by sin?

I want answers before we tackle the other question on whether Jesus believed non-christians would be saved.

There is nothing to tackle.
No one, not even the jews were promised eternal life. Jesus gave the promise of eternal life and the promise came with conditions. . . . . . . believing in Jesus and being led by His spirit.
And NO. . . . , non-christians will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I am cool. . , .wat u doing today?

are the rules not meant to be broken?

hey tubabie. . .ow are u doin?

uplawal:
see them,idol worshippers,later,if they start argument now,they will say hes son of the mosthigh, and at the same time deutoronomy 18,18prophet,but rightnow,hes the mosthigh,i wonder when u people will learn

in the gathering of intellectuals , unrepentant ignorance comes across as gabby. Your ignorance is fast becoming legendary 

what?

mazaje:
If Hippocracy is a sin then jesus commited a sin. . . he admonished people never to call each other fools because they are in danger of hell fire but called people around him fools so many times. . . .Jesus also taught that people should not be afraid of those that kill the body yet according to the bible he was always running for his life and sinking in the shadows when people tried to kill him. . . .

Jesus claimed he loved his neighbors yet he called the gentiles dogs and warned his disciples not to go near their towns and teach them the gospels or warn them about the kingdom of god that was at hand according to the biblical stories. . . . Jesus lied at his hearing when he said that he had always taught in the synagogues and in the temple and has never spoken in secret, there are other bible verses where he teaches in other places other the temple and teaches in secret. . . .

Jesus told people to have faith in god all the time but when his time came to demonstrate his faith in god(himself) when he was to be crucified on the cross he cried and accused god of forsaken him. . . If jesus knew he was the son of god then he would have shown more faith in his father and the alleged mission he was sent by his father to accomplish instead of crying and accusing god of forsaken him, he openly displayed his lack of faith in his father something he thought others to do all the time. . . Jesus scorned hypocrisy (Matthew 23:13-33) and was called the only sinless and perfect man yet an objective review of the life of Jesus as presented by the bible shows Jesus to be nothing less than a hypocrite himself who sometimes did not pratice what he preached. . . . .

can u start by defining a sin? what do u understand by sin?

olabowale:
@Davidylan: « #1 on: Today at 10:01:29 PM »  And in Madina, Muhammad (AS) received guests from a Christian civilation, the 3 people he hosted in his Mosque, next door to his house. They the christians conducted their services in this mosque, even way back then. David go to your TextBook to find out; WWW. Google.com!


@noetic2: « #2 on: Today at 10:02:09 PM »  I have made salah is Churches, civic centers, and synagogue. And if a people who under Islam cant accomodate the Christians in their service as in the same way as the prophet (AS) accomodated his guests, one wonders if such a muslim community group understands their Islamic role!

where is it recorded that mohammed EVER allowed other religious groups room for their worship?

He was sinless. . . . , no guile was found in Him.

He was NOT a paedophile
He did not tell Lies
He did not worship the moon-god allah
He was not a fraud.
He forgave people
He killed no one
He preached the gospel of the kingdom to the weak, poor and defenceless
He did not exploit the weak
He was not an idolator
He was/is not a fraud.
He NEVER contradicted Himself.


He as God came in human form. . . . . . . Jesus is God.

jewelries

am I invited BYL

I cant help but wish they had succeeded.

Age:64

Status: 6 times divorcee

Reason:

vanitty:
I am sorry but i just can't get over his marriage and sex with a young child still playing with dolls.
I wish they will just delete the child abuse marriage and sex of Mohammed to a 9 year old child "Aisha" from the Qu'ran because some very stupid, ignorant illiterates are still getting married to babies since that is what their prophet did.

I feel ur concern. . . . .can u imagine ayatollah justifying the thighing of even female babies?

davidylan:
A master political strategist who used a fraudulent religion based entirely on plagiarised jewish material to attain affluence.

do u actually think he was intelligent considering the many errors in the koran?

I have made several attempts to create this thread. , . . .and it has been repeatedly deleted. why this has been done is what I honestly do not understand.
almost all threads in the religion section discuss the personality of Jesus.

I want to use this thread as a medium to invite muslims and non muslims to discuss their individual opinion of the islamic "prophet" mohammed.

whats ur opinion of mohammed?

do i lie as much as u do?

Age: 55

status: forever single

Reason:

peaceful and gets along well with many. , , .

is it because of the lizard?. . . . . do u want me to make frog and mosquito soup for u?

tortoise and lizard soup. . , are u coming?

will u shut up BYL

dont u know u are in the confession box?

Age: 22

Status: hottest chic in town

nice and cool

how many babies have u aborted?