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olabowale:
@Noetic: « #2 on: Yesterday at 10:34:10 PM » From all indication, will it be safe to say that at a particular time, a once upon a time there was no structure known as the kaaba in Makka? If this is so, then we have to say that at that time, there was no idol in/on this structure, because it simply was not a structure then. The place/site was empty.

Later, according to Ismaila story, we that his mother and little infant Ismail (AS) was deposited in Makka. A result of their faithfulness, whereby Allah changed their certain death from thirst to survival and a bouyant and vibrant place, is what brought about Zam Zam water! Neither you nor anyone can deny this fact. The water is still there, till this very moment! Later, it was reported that Ibrahim and Ismail (AS Jamia), the father and son combo built this structure, the first time, from after the flood of Noah (AS). We see, as a proof of Ibrahim's presence in Makka a place called the Station of Ibrahim, next to the wall of the Kaaba.

With these two matters now established, the kaaba and Ibrahim, etc, except anyone with certain proof that Ibrahim was an idol worshipper after this time, we have to accept the fact that when Ibrahim completed the Buiding known as kaaba there was no idol placed in or around it! What was Ibrahim calling God the Creator to his son Ismail and Ismail's mother Hajah? If Arabic was not spoken at that time, but was spoken in Yemen, where people used to travel and pass this structure and drink from the Zam Zam water, they must have a word for The God Creator of all things. Every society does. Yoruba people say Eleda, Eledumare, Oluwa, Olorun, etc.

Unless anyone has some information that I dont have, the Yemeni Arabs used to call The God, Allah. Now that we establish this condition, I summit that when the Yemeni Arabs adopted Judaism, they called Yahweh in Arabic, Allah still. When they adopted Christianity in the arab societies, and indeed, Yemen, the indigenous people called the same Creator Allah. But Eloi sounds like Allah. At least to me. Try pronouncing both with your eyes closed and just listen to the sounds. You will know that they are very similar and sound the same.

When the idols were introduced, little by little until, it became a structure that housed 360 idols, none of them is called Allah. When Islam of Muhammad (AS) began and finally conquered Makka, it will behoves a sincere soul to even suggest that there was an idol in there that was named Allah, since all of te idols, all the 360 of them were smashed into pieces. No idol was spared. Everyone of them met its destruction right there.

Could Allah the idol have been smashed, if the muslims worship it? In other words, if there was an idol named Allah, it behoves me that the muslims who you claim worship it would not have saved it, as you have saved the cross that your human god was nailed to! What I have attempted here is that the word Allah, as the God was well in use by the Arabs, before Ibrahim, before the Children of Israel, before Judaism, before christianity, before Islam of Muhammad, and after te defeat of Makka. Nothing changed as in the use of Allah. No idol bore the name even among the 360 idols! If this does not help you then your case is with Allah and I am free of your deeds. And you are free of mine. The burden shall be bore by the bearer of burden, you of yours, me of mine.

what EXACTLY is the long story above intended to imply?

It definitely did not erase the fact that allah is a moon-god in arabia worshipped along with 359 other gods, by mohammed's father. . .this was the same allah that mohammed came to elevate.

any questions?

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olabowale:
@Sean T: Some people own the Bible! I dont. Their reason is best known to them. Maybe for comparative purpose, alone! No, most of the stories but many stories have common players, but details and others are completely different. Muslims believe in the Heavens, 7 layers of them. If you are talking of Paradise, yes. Heaven presently contains Paradise and Hell, and others. Others are Angels, Lau im mafuth, Bait Mamur, and the stations of the messengers and prophets (AS to all of tem). While Adam is station to the first to see the children from him going to Paradise whereby he laughs as being happy, or the ones going to Hell, whereby he cries ads being sad. Jesus and his cousin John the one who officiate the Children of Israel's rite of passage to adulthood on him at the age of 13 (Bermitvah; you christians wrongly call it Baptism) are both occupants of the second heaven. Idris (Enoch) is on third. Moses and his brother (am not certain about his brother in my statement here) are both on 6th and Ibrahim is occupying the 7th, leaning against the house known as Bait Mamur, similar to the Kaaba in Makka.

1. where EXACTLY is all of this written in ur koran?

2. what happened to the judgement day allah promised, that mohammed would intercede for people, , . , why are these people in heaven? did allah change his mind?

3. since allah in his koran recognises baptism. . . .why are muslims not baptised? did allah change his mind again?

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olabowale:
@Noetic: And the Author of Quran is correct, however you spin it; afterall, we see Catholics praying to Mary even this very day! And when you boy down and pray to a person you have taking that person for a god, a lord! And who wants 3 gods anyway for God?

who are u attempting to deceive?

The catholics do not make mary the holy spirit. . .she is seen like everyone else as the mother of Jesus.
this is a major indictment on whoever wrote the koran, be it allah, mohammed or satan. . . .who ever wrote it is an ignorant fraud.

The difference is at least it will expose your lack of Arabic knowledge to the whole world! And people will probably know, once and for all that you know nothing about nothing.

Let me help you so that you can put it together: Moon is Qamar. God or god is ilah. But the two together it will Qamar-ilah or Qamarlah! However you go how does it become Allah meaning The God, or in your deceitful understanding the god?!

But alas, there is no Allah among the idols in the pre Muhammad's islamic revelation in Kaaba.

whats my business with the arabic meaning of the moon.

the chronological history of allah reveals that he is an idol like the other 359 worshipped in arabia. mohammed's father served allah. . . .even though mohammed the "first" muslim was not yet born.

is there any wonder as to the many lies and contradictions of allah. Allah is a fraud, my friend.

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oyb:
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cos I was ripped off by my mobile broadband network here in london some months ago. . . .

and whats the meaning of the "   " icon. . . . . . .must u always be rude?

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that would be lofly. . . . .I would go back to sleep.



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oyb:
my thief thief download of gears of war - 1.2gb to go (over four days) - and my connection has gone to sh1t

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That was a rich video. . . .I have nothing to add.

CowMeat:
Noetic
you are so stupid that spending my time replying you is a waste - i have more important things to do. Using big words can actually be a sign of inferiority complex sometimes which I believe is plaguing you amongst other pyschotic disorders - please consult yur mental health doctor. once again this is my thread with valuable contributions welcome. Please kindly do not post on this thread again as you are not making any valuable contributions PLEASE. a civilised person will respect him self and stay off, but i can already guess you will be stupid enough to keep posting rubbish. Is is not schizophrenia & mental health disorder to start raining insults to someone you havent even spoken to before ON A PUBLIC FORUM. You must also have under lying self esteem issues. I actually want to spend more of my time talking to davidlyan who at least is making some sense. Please kindly stay off my thread, please kindly avoid insults, i am being as polite as i can be you pyschotic fool.

Please David, respond to my questions. It will please me to find scriptures contrary to what I think - so please search and suggest.

is lunacy not a big deal?

[quote author=rich_john link=topic=300737.msg4255893#msg4255893 date=1248700679]@noetic
Dont tell me to shut up am actually typing not talking as for david's answer they aren't satisfactory enough, brother dont fight your conscience brother admit these things[/quote]1. why are David's answers not satisfactory?

2. what has my conscience got to do with all this?

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[quote author=rich_john link=topic=300737.msg4255383#msg4255383 date=1248692252]@noetic
I thought christians dont use abusive words the questions cowmeat raised, am sure will be bothering your mind from time to time you just dont want to conceed to your fears.
If you cant answer the questions, stay off the thread than use fowl language! christianity has no answer to the yearnings of man so sad to note! Brother it's hard to fight your conscience these questions stare at you answer them.

NB: In as much as I cant kill myself nor do I wish to die I wish I never existed[/quote]what are u talking about?

how does truly descriptive adjectives constitute abuses?
his questions have been repeatedly answered as asked by numerous other atheists on this forum. and If I did not answer them, I believe David did just that. I have never given his post a thought. . .so it has no bearing on my conscience.

u could take ur own advice. . .and keep ur mouth shut.

toneyb:
Stop saying things I never said. I do not believe in the content of the verse, the people that wrote that bible passage at least were honest enough to say that their god had limitations,they said that he was with them yet they could not drive out people with iron chariots after promising them that he has delivered all the lands into their hands.

whats wrong with this why do u have a problem answering the two questions asked?
have u no answers to them?

I do not believe in any of the mythical wars that never happened that were recorded in the bible. Myths like stars fighting against humans in a war.

but u believe the OP. . .right?

toneyb:
Simple the people wrote that their god was with them, they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. The verse is very clear. Now bring forth you own spin.

does the inability of the isrealites to drive them out. . . .a weakness on the part of God?
so why do u believe the contents of this verse and not the other verses of the bible?

whats ur understanding of verse 19?

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olabowale:
@Noetic: « #27 on: July 23, 2009, 11:03 PM » At least I have the gut to answer your question. And I am not lying. Allah is not any of the Arab gods. Allah their gods, they represented in Kaaba, as idol. Allah is not One of them. And Allah is not the moon-god. But He is The God of all creations. And Muhammad's father did not worship Allah. The association to moon of Islam, is the same with the sun. The sun is used to measure time every day to know when to pray! The moon ushers in the months, so we know when to fast and hajj. It also help to know when the day is coming in versus the night when the moon usually shines or comes out, etc.

will u stop lying?

mohammed's father was called abd-allah. meaning the slave of allah, he was the slave of a moon-god allah.
he was serving a moon-god. remember that he died before mohammed was born. . . .so he was serving the family idol called allah, who mohammed came to elevate from one of the 360 idols in arabia, to be the main idol.

why does ur fasting season depend heavily on the sighting of the moon?
why does kaaba have a great significance in the present day, considering its antecedents?

Allah is the same moon-god served by abd-allah and elevated by his son mohammed. allah is one of the 360 idols in arabia, pre-mohammed era.

@noetic2: « #29 on: July 23, 2009, 11:26 PM » Far from my argument. Your Bible has 3 gods/Gods. Jesus is one, Ghost/Spirit is two. Jehovah/Yahweh is the third. But Allah is One, and the proofs of His presence in the Bible came from the mouth of Jesus; Eloi, Eloi, in Hebrew or Syriac accent. He had a chance to say Jahweh/Yahweh, Holy Ghost/Spirit, or Messiah/Jesus!

the writers of ur koran actually claimed that mary is a god in christianity. . . .that explains why I am not bothered at the ignorance u are displaying here. But one fact is noce. , , we both agree that allah is NOT the bible GOD.

The ason I asked that you write it in Arabic! Oje man. He cant even hear his own breath in his eagerness to lie about Islam! Actually I wanted to say he cant even realise how bad his thinking is.But am a gentleman. I mean I like the guy, y'all. lol.

False! Now you know for the umpthy time.

what difference does it make if I write allah in arabic or moon in arabic. A comprehensive research into the history of allah and mohammed reveal a demonic fraud.




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CowMeat:
@ Noetic2
You can get Ojo out of the village but you cannot get the village out of Ojo. You reason like a fool - if you cant provide any answers, you come here to post rubbish - please refrain from further insults before i descend on you and put you in your place. Please mind your business as this is MY THREAD with only valuable contributors. I cannot waste my time exchanging words with you as my time is a lot valuable so if you are jobless and looking for who to exchange words with, sorry i cant help on this ocassion.

1. I t is pretty obvious that u are a brainless maladroit and illiterate. . . . .at least thats what I deduced from ur thread.

2. u dont have a thread. this is a public forum. . . no body owns a thread. . . so wake up.

3. David has answered all your questions. . . . .but of course, those are not the preconceived answers u were expecting. . . , his answers were far more intelligent for ur brain to handle.

4. what EXACTLY is stopping u from descending on me?

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Marlbron:
The way I see things, Xtians and Muslims believe that Christ will come again.

Xtians think he will come from the sky, but they are wrong. Christ will be born of a woman to judge and rule the world and his kingdom will have no end. He will ascend the kingdom of God, hence our Lord's prayer will be fullfilled. Christ told us that this generation will not perish untill all be fulfilled. It means that he Christ is already with us. unfortunately Christians are still waiting for him to drop from the Sky. Who then are the anti-christ? The one who does not believe what christ has taught. More, later!

where did u get that from?

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