Ok

enm: lol. Bro you are free to believe what you want but that doesn't mean prayers don't get answered. It is not enough to just pray, one must back it up with faith and living a righteous life. Many people prayer did not got answer not because God did not hear them but because most times we pray amiss instead of praying, targeting prayer at our problems. Some of us still have sin in our life, sin like unforgiveness, anger, gossiping, sin committed by our ancestors, disobedience to the word of God. It is not just enough to wake up in the morning go to church and come back home saying thank God for today I was in the church, you have to live the words you hear and read in the bible not just talk it. Google elisha Goodman for his write up on prayer. Be blessed.

Sin is a victimless crime.

enm:
I invite you to join us in partaken in coming together with us and having an hour with God through prayer. Come and experience God touch as people are set free and conquering their problem. The barren becoming fertile and giving birth. The poor getting financial breakthrough, the blind seeing, the cripple walking perfectly. The deaf hearing. The dumb speaking and the oppressed getting freed.

The barren are not giving birth, the poor are getting more poor, the blind continue to not see, the cripple labor on in pain, the deaf cannot hear, and the dumb keep praying. There are many things that we can do to help those afflicted. Putting your efforts into magic is the least valuable. As the old saying goes, "Nothing fails like prayer."

malvisguy212: the fact that you did not include Him show that you know Him and He is in your heart.

Hanuman is in my heart. I know that He is in yours too... Why do you hate Hanuman?

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do-not-sin:
Blind atheists whom atheism has blinded.A persons belief in God requires him to do everything according to the dictates of God in His holy book.Yes God requires you to visit the doctor when you are sick,visit the mechanic when your car breaks down etc.Its in the book.

You can also stylishly ignore the countless times God instucted His human subjects to use human methods & agencies to accomplish His divine purpose when He could have easily done it by instant miracle.Examples are countless times he instucted Israelites on specific things to do to win a battle when He could have easily come down & won the battle for them.He instucted Jeremiah through Isaiah on the herb to take & recover when he could just make the ailment disappear with a wish.

Atheists don't deserve answers cos they don't want one & I certainly won't give you more than this so go ahead & throw your stones.

God also instructed the Israelites to take slaves and treat them as property. God instructed the Israelites to commit genocide: "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." How can anyone not believe in this amoral, bloodthirsty savage?

No thanks. Jesus needs to do more. I am not impressed with the magic tricks. Make a real sacrifice!

It is obvious that you are worshiping the wrong god. I suggest worshiping Hanuman. I have been a faithful follower of Hanuman for many years and I can say:

I am in perfect health. I have never had an injury greater than a few light scratches.

I have five girl friends and will marry when I am good and ready.

I have successfully completed university and have a very well paying job. I have more money than I need and am donating to worthy causes as well as putting a large amount into my retirement fund monthly.

Anyone who tells you to keep praying to a deadbeat god who does not deliver is a filthy liar. The value of a god has to be assessed continuously. If you wait until you are dead, you will have wasted your life. You need to send the god you have been worshiping a message. Put out or get out. Hanuman gives many blessings.

I got nothing.

It is always amusing to see Christians struggle to justify the ancient ramblings of primitive desert savages (writers of their scriptures).

Most ignorant, backwards myth ever.

I agree. We need to put the Thor back in Thursday, the God Saturn back in Saturday, the God Tyr back in Tuesday, the Woden (GOD!)
back in Wednesday, and the Goddess Frigg back in Friday. Don't you dare deny that some god was considered in the naming of a day! Stupid Atheists! How can you even say one day of the week without paying homage to a God?

I wrote it. Prove that I didn't....

December 25th has always been Jesus Day, ever since God created the universe. It just took man a while to figure it out.

Leo Adewale: d search 4 d true God is like trying to solve a difficult maths. Those who are most likely 2 solve it are those who have been exposed 2 such task as solving maths since childhood and are intrested in it. Not some people who just decides to be good at maths when their black hair is turning white. I've been exposed 2 famous world religions gettin infos from a non-biased point of view & I've stumbled upon so many articles on the net. I found out dat most religion, are false, & are a burden 2 humans. Their flaws are easily spotted compared 2 dat which have no flaw (except if some1 wanna have a baseless argument). Satan is determined 2 make d human race his followers, therefore, it's logical dat he uses various means 2 get followers. Just like some1 who pirates CD's. He will make more sales than the original owner buh his CD's is a silent killer to ur DVD, though u may know, buh u'll continue patronise him due to d varieties stuffed up in his CD's. My conclusion is that I'd rather serve Jah who's in heaven to any other thing Satan implements through men to get men. Whereby his puppets get richer and the spiritually dead people will get poorer or and enslaved

And what proof have you given against Shri Hanuman? Where is this "flawless" religion?

ROSSIKE:

I think you are sick in the head and need treatment.

I am no more sick than Noah! I have not gotten drunk and passed out on the floor naked. God blessed Noah. He murdered everyone on the planet but Noah and his family. "Noah was in his generations a man righteous and whole-hearted; Noah walked with God."
Genesis Chapter 9:
25. And he said, "Cursed be Canaan; he shall be a slave among slaves to his brethren."
26. And he said, "Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem, and may Canaan be a slave to them.
27. May God expand Japheth, and may He dwell in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be a slave to them."

So when Noah cursed his son for seeing him passed out and naked (after getting drunk), he was behaving in consort with God. He was totally cool with slavery and felt that the institution was worthy of putting on his son's progeny. God is cool with slavery, get over it. Moses said "Let MY people go!" He did not say "End the system of owning human beings."

smurfy: Logic doesn't convince atheists. There is a God. It'll surprise you to know that ALL know He exists, but hate Him because of His righteous demands, which many don't want to keep.

'Every one that doeth evil hateth the light...' John 3:20.

Nobody hates what doesn't exist.

Numbers
17 “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.

18 “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

Stupid atheists hate the righteous God! What is wrong with them? What do they have against the righteous light of genocide and rape? One thing you can be sure of, there are no Midianite atheists!

macof:

Christian leaders say otherwise.

According to them the black race came from Ham(son of Noah) who was cursed(I read the Bible properly and saw only a curse on Canaan, ham's son).

They say(by inspiration of the holy spirit) Ham,is the father of Africa, Mizraim fathers North Africa, Cush fathers East Africa. and through migration of other children Nimrod and phut. While Canaan refused to live in his territory and dwelled in Shem's(Ham's Brother) territory.

So in summary, blacks are cursed to be slaves to Semites and Euros.

But in all this I ask where do Far eastern Asians fall in? Wat of below Sahara Africa? And Native Americas?

Lol Bible is so inconsistent and incomplete. Why is holy spirit this impotent?

The curse of Ham, is correct. Ham saw Noah's junk (after he got drunk and passed out n.aked), so Noah made him black and a slave (as well as all of his descendants). You see, the bible is all about LOVE and a true source of morality.

I would start by pointing out that a "morality" that is detached from the pain, suffering, and well-being of living creatures is immoral. After that, I would talk about how truly evil and disgusting the concept if hell is and how only a monster could come up with such a thing.

Leo Adewale: well, there must be a reason for your opinion. My opinion came through thorough investigation (I'd put my nose where not nessesary) and my conclusion is that there's an Almighty God. May I know the reason for your opinion?

I agree with you. I reached my opinion through investigation, fasting, and prayer. My conclusion was that the Monkey God Hanuman is real and the only God worthy of worship. Anyone who does not come to this same conclusion has obviously not investigated at all, not investigated deep enough or is just plain stupid.



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Can you please tell me what "investigations" you did to reach your obviously incorrect conclusion?

I just saw this and laughed my arse off. The only problem here is that this guy claims to be doing scientific research. Entertainers, preachers and politicians can spout homophobic propaganda all day and the public will eat it up. Amalaha should run for president! Or at least start a church.

As many have already pointed out, this "research" is embarrassing. It sounds like something that a 10 year old would come up with. A 10 year old who has very little understanding of the world, the scientific method, or simple logic. A 10 year old who has, however, been filled with hatred for homosexuals and a fear of the Abrahamic god.

Maybe Amalaha can receive more wisdom from God and "scientifically" prove that Apple is better than Android by stating that apples are delicious and that androids are always trying to kill humans in movies. And, also, god and stuff.

novicali: Your contribution is very absurd and downgrades the essence of human existence.

And the essence of human existence is dictated by a dusty old book written by barbaric, land-grabbing desert savages? What has the s.exual repression from these people gotten us? Psychosis, ignorance, hate, and fear. You have no justification for your backwards beliefs outside of this book. If you cannot connect your beliefs to human pain, human suffering, or human well being, I could care less about what you think.

mcfynest:

what are you saying

I am just talking nonsense. Just like the people who wrote Genesis 2. It is a fictional story made up to try to explain the world (as they saw it) by primitive people. It is, of course, pathetically inaccurate & a lousy story. It is not even consistent with Genesis 1, the previous chapter of the same book! Should this be taken seriously in 2014?

macof:

I don't dispute the Hebrew God "El", it's the God of the modified religions of judaism and christianity I dispute.

Is Olodumare a dirtbag god who condones the enslavement of human beings?

daroz:
Meaning?

Perhaps you need more than just a "religious point of view." I was making a joke. A double entente, if you will. A "sticky" topic is one that is put at the top of the list on a forum like this. Nocturnal emissions are generally found to be sticky by the unsuspecting sleeper upon awaking. Haw, haw, haw. Making a wet dream thread a sticky! Aren't jokes hilarious when they have to be explained?

Joshthefirst: no. Its simple actually. The life of a person is in the blood. What did you expect? He shed his blood, and bore the punishment of mankinds sin because he was sinless. Its only when you realize that you're a sinner headed for hell that you appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

I am not a "sinner." Ritual human sacrifice is disgusting and immoral. Scapegoating is immoral. If you have done something that deserves "punishment" then you should be punished. The punishment should also fit the "crime." Otherwise, it is just the whim of a brutal tyrant and a mockery of justice.

I do not appreciate this "sacrifice" because nothing was sacrificed or lost in the process. You pointed out in a previous post that the "Son" was there (in heaven) when your lord had his tower temper tantrum. The son did not have a human life at that point & did not need one. To take on a human life (something of no value to him) then dispose of it via a violent, bloody, ritual human sacrifice has no value. Nothing was lost. The son is still in heaven with your lord. This is similar to me making a cake out of cow dung, then "sacrificing" it, only to continue on with my life completely unaffected. Both cow dung and a cake made out of it have zero value to me. It would be silly for me to expect deep appreciation for this meaningless, pointless activity.

The primitive savages that sacrifice(d) lives (their own or those of others) by throwing virgins into volcanoes, burying their babies under the foundation of their homes, or blowing themselves up in public are giving up a real human life. The life of the person in question does not go right back to what it was prior to this barbaric act. What the "son" did was just as gruesome and a completely empty gesture. It devalues and is an insult to life. The mindset that believes this to be a good thing is what leads to suicide bombers. We need to make the world safe from this filthy ideology, not encourage it.

ROSSIKE:

The idea that the force behind all life and existence ever descended to the level of such insane barbarity is so laughable as to make complete dolts of all who believe it.

It is not fair to call them dolts. Many intelligent people believe total nonsense. They just have a massive blind spot.

Joshthefirst: that was before Jesus came. The fact that he is a judge and you're guilty yet he bore your own punishment in mercyshows he's a just and loving God.
Now that Jesus has come, God is currently preaching repentance to the world.

And unlike the old days, he has set an appointed time for the judgement of the world after those who are perfect because of the blood of Christ Jesus are taken out of the way
Judgement is coming, that's the message. Escape Gods wrath through his mercy. All your accusations and claims have already been dealt with. What are you waiting for?

A ritual human sacrifice solved it all? A suicide mission? Blood? Is this the best that an all knowing, all powerful being can come up with? The same tools utilized by every other primitive, superstitious person 2000 years ago? You have dealt with nothing. For a backwards, primitive person living 2000 years ago, your god is merely ordinary. For a modern adult, your god is a monster. I am waiting for you to propose something that is relevant in the 21st century. These ramblings from primitive, desert savages ain't cutting it.

Joshthefirst: as I said in my post, men trying to blame God for immorality because they think if they can succeed in terming him as immoral they'll escape the punishment for their own immoral deeds.
Epic case of ostrich burying head in the sand and thinking others cannot see him because he does not see them.

If your god wants to punish me for pointing out the he has no concern for human freedom and well being, then bring it on. In my "heart" I have no respect for any ignorant, evil, self-centered, bloodthirsty tyrant. I never will.

Morality that is completely detached from human freedom, suffering and well being, is BS.

Joshthefirst: post modified.

So your lord failed miserably. We still had many wars, rapings, killings, stealings, genocides. Even after the big, selfish, self-centered, diva meltdown documented here. Is this incompetent, violent, bloodthirsty loser worthy of my worship? The fact that you have the power to kill and torture me (forever) does not make you just or loving. Might does not make right. Unchecked might makes for a tyrant.

Please tell me, if Hitler had the power of your god, how would things have been different?

Joshthefirst: I'm not going to mince words when talking to you and deny the fact of what the bible implies just to soothe your ego. Nonsense. The question asked by Kay17 debunks what he said.



Ma'am.
Slaves were even counted as part of the household then:

Genesis 17:27 along with all the other men and boys of the household, whether they were born there or bought as servants. All were circumcised with him.

They were bought as servants, and they were even allowed to buy their freedom if they wanted. God did not allow them to be brutalized. Why would he cordone the same thing he judged egypt for?

They could even be married to the sons of the household.

I'm not advocating slavery now, especially in its modern sense ma'am. I'm only saying that in those days it was normal and general practice and brutalization was not allowed by God, who claimed to defend the defenseless.

All these atheists are doing ma'am, is trying to debunk God and claim he's unjust and immoral because they don't want to answer to him morally on judgement day, seeing they are morally convicted of their sins, they do everything to debunk God and make themselves feel good from claiming he does not exist to claiming he's unjust and immoral so they won't answer to him.

This does not change any fact.

If any of them gives me an example of brutalization of slaves by the israelis in the bible and God not caring, then they will have a basis for their claims. For now, its speculative hogwash stemming from hatred of God.

I don't know what is more disgusting: The wicked, evil, immoral, barbaric book of nonsense written by primitive, land-grabbing, desert savages or your pathetic attempt to justify it. I vomit for you.

Joshthefirst: us means the father, the son, the spirit. Trinity.

Where in your bible does it say this? Why didn't the "Son and Spirit" accompany your lord on his big diva meltdown?

Also, you never got to this one

11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

or

11:6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.

Why are your god(s) shaking in their boots (scared) at the prospect of people accomplishing great things? Does he know that it will lead to a lack of respect for "the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully?”

Imagine how much better the world would be if people all worked together with a common purpose. No wars, no raping, no killing, no stealing, no genocide. A horrible, ungodly world. An all-knowing, all-powerful, "loving" being would only have one choice: kill that immediately.

Bidam:

FACT 2: The Lord came down to see what they were doing. Why not? He owns the heavens and the earth.After the destruction of the earth by flood, He needs to know what man was up to.
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And he needs to come down to find out? Why? What additional insight does this timeless, formless, ageless, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being obtain from "coming down" to check things out? I will not even comment on the bringing up of the barbaric, savage murder of every man, woman, child, baby, elderly person, animal, and plant on earth (Why is this relevant?). Also, who was he talking to?

Genesis
11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. (KJV)

11:7 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” (NASB)

11:7 "Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” (NIV)

11: 7 "Come, let Us go down and mix up their language so they will not understand what each other says.” (NLV)

Which translation tells me who "Us" are?

Bidam:
FACT3: God is always mindful of man,just like He visits Adam in the cool of the day,He desires fellowship with His creature.The bible records such communion with Enoch and then Noah.It was on record that it was only Noah who WALKED(COMMUNE) with God amidst such sinful and rebellious generation in his era.Since a manufacturer has every right to dispose objects that are not useful and replace them with useful ones,so does the creator have the right to dispose off his creation.

I don't think anyone would call a manufacturer who "disposes" of their creations when they are not happy with them "loving" or worthy of worship. Sounds like a bureaucrat, not a god. This still does not answer the question of why. Don't point to other mythology as the reason. What is the gain in your god cold chillin' with Moses or wrestling naked with Jacob all night? (yet "could not overpower him." Genesis 32:25. How embarrassing for your god.).