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Dis Guy:
I mean they dont sound or look like they're earning that much, but you should see people rushing to carry their suitcase
after smiling and chatting pure breeze

In nigeria to be honest top management in some companies do bleep all, they have many middle managers they delegate to, they pile all the work on the junior/middle staff but some sectors dont allow you do that

followed my uncle around for a week in nigeria meeting many of these top dudes, and I kept wondering how they had so much time going for lunch several times in a day, parties midweek, welcoming parties, leaving parties, personal building projects all during working week  

Exactly !!

I guess there are quite a few issues when considering the possibility of working in Nigeria.

To compensate for the madness and stress, 2m a month is not asking for much.

Dis Guy:
OP

why nigeria though? why not dubai, Hongkong, South Africa


saw an advert for SAP experts on some website recently though £600/day only 6 weeks though

South Africa is a possibility.

Why do Nigerians with all the experience and training not create jobs for other Nigerians and carve a niche for themselves in the process?  

Are we that afraid of entrepreneurship?  

Who will create the jobs that folks with all the degrees will return to?

Just wondering. .  

I will tell you why.

With the decay of infrastructure, power supply issues, security problems etc etc , only a medium to large size company can bear the financial inconveniences of operating in such an environment.

If the government puts the right things in order, of course we will start viable businesses.

buzugee:
some of the big boys and girls at etisalat http://www.etisalat.com.ng/photo_gallery1.php

I am not going to Nigeria to start wearing expensive clothes, speak big grammar or even attend multiple big parties.

I am going to do a job, a professional one at that, get paid and take care of my family.

One major trait that puts me off Nigerian elite is the show off , big manism attitude, the pomposity and arrogance.

We British come from humble backgrounds  

redsun:
Meanwhile with d level of your education and experience,u should be thinking of creating jobs not searching in a virgin land

Since you are a military man, I might as well employ you as my personal body guard,  

blacksta:
Unfortunately my dear NLder you can not work or Last in Nigeria   The typical Nja worker is corrupt to core.-  The other alternative will be start your business at least you will be lord and almighty of your business without compromising your integrity.

But really, what does working a 9 - 5 job have to do with corruption ?

blacksta:
At poster - I would tread carefully

A Friend of my mine recently got a job in Nigeria as an Executive director for Starcomms and  his salary was 21 Millon Naira and was also given a 3br flat in Lekki and an official car the guy is back in the U.K after about 5 months in Nigeria.  Working in Nigeria is different ball game  - Your integrity will surely be tested and your fellow workers  will always ask you to compromise  in all matter.  for example My friend was expected to be part of team who rigged Annual general meeting shareholder votes and at some point their office was raided by EFCC

If you are spiritual type and dont want to go to hell  - ol boy stick your contracting in the U.K at least your invoices get paid on time.

Hmm, I think this might be a problem for me, as i cannot under any circumstance compromise my integrity either with the company I work for or the police.

This is food for thought.

buzugee:
at most 10 million naira a year. and thats a generous estimate. i spoke to my mum yesterday and she told me that their is massive lay-offs especially at the banking sector. so things aint as rosy as you seem to think it is.

A big Joke

oyb:
Hello fellow Nigerians.

abegi patriot ke, cameron is making things hot for foreigners. don't give us any bull about patriotism. just say long throat 

2m per month - oil co workers and BIG ogas

mind you , outside of oil co's most other companies that pay that kind of money take their pound of flesh.

I love my country, 

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buzugee:
you act like people owe you some money, it is theirs to give. if you cant accept it you simply dont. why not remain in london if you are concerned about the worth of your curriculum vitae ?

So , how much would you suggest that such a person as described in my earlier post should earn, without taking into consideration car and housing.

Tell me

rebranded:
If you looking for 2m/month, you should be at least a General manager (GM) to get paid that much!

Such jobs are usually not seating and waiting. .you should know the companies you are targeting and begin to do your homework

plus various organisations (KPMG, Careers in Africa, findajobinafrica etc) recruit for top management positions, so will be best you also look into that.

I wont want to return to Nigeria until after the elections if i was you though!

GLTY!

Thanks for the advice.

As I will be coming on my own, if any trouble ensues after the elections, I will make a dash for the nearest British Embassy

Companies that advertise through KPMG, Careers in Africa etc , do they pay Well ? If yes, in what region are we talking about.

buzugee:
2m a month is asking for too much if you are just a 'worker' in the field as you will be if you are a senior engineer. the big bucks comes if when you get in as a 'senior engineer'. you have such a bubbly personality such that you can manage people and people like you and want to achieve their goals because of the respect they have for you. when such qualities are recognized in you as with the guy who is now a director, only then will you be plucked from the field into management, only then can you ask for that kind of money and even more. people on the field dont earn that kinda cash, it is 'managers of men' that earn that.

lol. just a worker  

Any senior engineer with over 11 years experience from the UK or USA , having worked with major blue chip companies on up to $1b customer contracts, must be mad to accept less than 2m without house and car allowance.

buzugee:
i think it is one of the telecom companies in nigeria. i know someone who moved from america to nigeria and got a job there as a director. he is on 48 million naira per annum. company car, company house.

so 2m monthly for a senior engineer in a similar setup is not asking too much , is it ?

buzugee:
@ kobojunkie. etisalat pays their directors 4 million naira a month

Which one be etisalat ,

Kobojunkie:
Naira 10 million per annum is approximately $75 000!

Let's put it this way, I would not advise even my worst enemy to move down to Nigeria for that, especially for a senior position in IT. lol

Don't mind Jay Bee, he is removed from the stark reality on the ground.

jay bee:
Not going to argue with you but frankly IT professionals don't earn 2M in naija.
That's just u living in fantasy land.

If your estimated 10m naira excludes housing and car allowance , then it is something to consider, but if it includes both of these important items it is a joke.

Kobojunkie:
But 10 million per annum is approximately $75000  

Kobojunkie:
But 10 million per annum is approximately $75000  

Yep.

Is that a lot ?

jay bee:
I seriously doubt you earn over 73K per annum before tax working as a permanent staff
Mind you, i'm very familiar with IT.
I work as an analyst programmer so i know my onions

You'd be lucky to earn 10M per annum in Naija

I am even more familiar with IT than you are, lol.

As a senior network designer and implementer, working for large British and American blue chip organizations, 10M is having a laugh , seriously.

jay bee:
dude with 50k, your take home pay is: <3K => <750K Naira
Stop manufacturing figures in your head.

Do you work as a contractor?
Mind u IT professional is pretty generic,  What do u specialise in?

I am not manufacturing figures in my head, many of us earn more than £50k in the Cisco and security world and I mean permanent not contracting.

But, I want like for like, before tax. Lets not go down the route of take home pay. 

Nigeria is not exactly an easy place to live in, just like you have London weighting , should there not be Lagos inconveniences allowance  , seriously ?

jay bee:
@OP
I bet u work as a contractor in the UK.
What permanent IT jobs pay >7K after tax in the UK or even US?
With 10-20 years experience you had still be earning <5k after tax so asking for 2M is a bit far fetched.

Engineers with >3yrs experience (Oil Coys) in naija earn above >15 M per annum

This was me expecting you to say u work as an IB

Yeah right,

Assuming you earn 50K in the UK which when converted to Naira = 1.25 million , and then you factor in housing , car, inconveniences etc etc, 2m is nothing, especially when you have to pay school fees which otherwise you do not pay in the UK ( free education ) and health care ( again free in the UK ).

AjanleKoko:
Okay, fine.
Possibly if you got a job in the oil sector. Their pay is calibrated according to international benchmarks in their sector, and may be adjusted for cost of living in Nigeria, as well as purchasing power parity. So, start applying to them through their websites and you might just get lucky.

The financial sector has gone southwards, so no need even discussing them here.

In telecoms, you would have to be in senior or maybe even executive management to earn that kind of money. And for you to be in senior management, you must have management experience from wherever you're coming. Glo is an exception though. They pay indiscriminately, so you might have a chance there. The others are MNCs, and not the right kind. Local talent abounds in IT, so they might not really care much, at least not to pay N2m a month. Oil might just be your best bet.

MNCs are my target. I hear from colleagues who took the same leap, that they do pay very well.

Kobojunkie:
I have been looking into opportunities in Nigeria, my area, and wondering if it is possible to get any comparable to what I get here, down there. So far, the most I have come up with are jobs with the UN and oil companies in locations I would consider remote. I am like you, I prefer Lagos to anyplace else in that country,but unlike you, I am probably not looking to making a permanent move. More like going there for 3 to 6 months out of my year.

Sure.

But I am not yet making a permanent move, this is more like a 'test the waters' type of situation.

If all goes well especially after the elections, then a permanent relocation becomes more likely.

AjanleKoko:
Maybe you need to be more specific.
What did you study, and what have you been doing in the UK? They don't pay wages in Nigeria based on self-recognition, quality of education, or what profession you belong to. The various sectors pay what they have benchmarked as wages they can afford.
For example a financial analyst in Cadbury will definitely not earn the same wages as a financial analyst in Chevron, years of experience notwithstanding. Cadbury will pay what it has identified as its appropriate threshold, based on the sector in which it operates in Nigeria (FMCG). Every other consideration is secondary. Likewise any other profession, or sector.

Okay , an IT professional with over 10 years experience working with large blue chip companies in the UK.

@Kobojunkie

Let me address the two points you raised.

1.

what company pays N2 million a month these days in Nigeria? Could you please share so those of us out here can move back too to get a piece of that pie?

A multinational company will pay that amount, in fact I know of many who do.


2.

Also, I am not looking for you to convince me that it is possible, I am looking for specifics . . . what companies, what positions etc. nothing less

Telecommunications, oil companies, etc etc

Mostly managerial or senior positions.


But one will have to be employed as an expatriate and not a Nigerian 

You do know most people will think you did not succeed in the UK. That is why you are running back home. Unless you are retiring, I would stay in the UK and try to make it there.

@Ochi_Agha, mumu.

Do you not realize that most willing UK returnees ( other than the deportees ) are those who have acquired significant work and academic experience normally over a 10 year period and in very good professions.

debosky:
You don't have to me 'mad' to relocate, and I don't see anything 'patriotic' about coming back to live in your own country. . . .y'all make it sound like you are coming back to save us in Nigeria, while you're just going to come and try to get ahead like the rest of us hustling in naija.

I agree, just saying.

I am coming back because I have spent 15 years in the UK, Acquired good academic and work professional skills and feel these can be put to invaluable use back home.

lagbaja20:
So what?

You make it somewhere

If Yankee does not work, Nigeria might

I hate when people prefer to live as 2nd class citizens abroad, instead of going back home to play their part, and who knows he might strike it big in Nigeria.

Hakeem Bello Osagie, despite his Ivy league education and numerous job offers abroad, went back home. Isnt he doing just fine?

Don't mind them my brother.

SEFAGO:
Three Two questions :

1. Do you think I am mad ? if yes state why

No, you are not Mad for coming back. You will not be the first nor the last. How long have you been gone? Then that would determine how fast you can adjust. Anyways teh UK is no more than Nigeria with some white people IMO, but that is another discussion  

2. What are the possible challenges?

Consistently comparing Nigeria to the UK. You are going to be whining like a little b/i/t/c/h about how efficient everything in the UK is compared to Nigeria.

3. For a good Job, how much is enough monthly, 2M million Naira a month ?

No 2 million is what a clerk in Nigeria earns. You should set your sight on 1 billion a month. Maybe you think Naira and Ghana cedis have the same value  

Oh yeah.

So after studying like a bat for donkey years in the UK and Nigeria, joining a good profession with over 10 years top experience under my belt in a senior position, you think 2m a month is too much to ask, considering the risks involved of relocating ?

na wa ooo

illusion2:
[/quote][quote author=redsun link=topic=576207.msg7428519#msg7428519 date=1293637478]Naija is at the brink of war right now, think twice.Unless of course u are soldier like me,ready to delve into d chaos

Lets put it another way, Northern Nigeria is at the brink of war right now , lol   wetin concern me for that one

ode remo:
@ topic,
for excellent advice go to buss. Section , there is a similar thread with superb advice frm many ppl. Gd luck.

Will do, many thanks

eku_bear:
If you can secure a job that pays you 2 million naira a month, that is more than enough money to move (assuming you don't have enormous amounts or a cocaine habit   )

Also, I don't think you'll miss too much from the UK if you relocated somewhere like Abuja. Roads, infrastructure, power supply and safety are all pretty high here, if you live in a nice part of town.

Cocaine ke, God forbid.

Abuja is too boring, Lagos is my type of city, chaotic but hustling and bustling.

Also I am not one to be too particular on comforts, security though is a must.

Thanks,

otokx:
Come back and start a business; who do you want to give you 2 million a month?

Believe me , some international companies will pay that much