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Viserion:
But what if?

God made all things already took care of the what ifs.

Kobojunkie:
Are you certain that your response here is meant for my previous comment?

Again...Paul never told you that the Spirit of God lived inside of those who were still struggling with sin.

Anyways, Jesus Christ, the one who promised the Holy Spirit, made it very clear that only those who are set free from bondage to sin by their submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, are made Sons of God, and it is these Sons of God, free from bondage to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 44, that the Father is able to live inside of - John 14 vs 15 - 25

If you feel Jesus Christ lied in His teachings, then I wonder why you even bother claiming to believe in Him.

Yes, it does.
I am telling you that a Christian can and does still struggle against sin. It is a daily affair.
Anyone who tells you he/she doesn’t isn’t being sincere. Question is on how one deals with it.
And pls don’t talk about the spirit of God. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ has the spirit of God in them. So a struggling Christian like Paul stated there also has the spirit of God in them. How do we gain victory then? Paul answered in subsequent chapters in Romans.

Kobojunkie:
Paul never told you that the Spirit of God lived inside of those who were still struggling with sin.

Anyways, Jesus Christ, the one who promised the Holy Spirit, made it very clear that only those who are set free from bondage to sin by their submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, are made Sons of God, and it is these Sons of God, free from bondage to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 44, that the Father is able to live inside of - John 14 vs 15 - 25

If you feel Jesus Christ lied in His teachings, then I wonder why you even bother claiming to believe in Him.

None of what you said there indicated the Christian life is easy. Are you talking about the Apostle Paul who wrote this below?
Please stop spreading emotional gospels that make new unbelievers fall off with surprises after repentance.

The Christian life is tough if you want to follow it in the pattern of Jesus Christ. If not for the Holy Spirit help, none of us can measure up to the standards.

“THEREFORE, SINCE we are justified (acquitted, declared righteous, and given a right standing with God) through faith, let us [grasp the fact that we] have [the peace of reconciliation to hold and to enjoy] peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

“But I discern in my bodily members [in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh] a different law (rule of action) at war against the law of my mind (my reason) and making me a prisoner to the law of sin that dwells in my bodily organs [in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh]. O unhappy and pitiable and wretched man that I am! Who will release and deliver me from [the shackles of] this body of death? O thank God! [He will!] through Jesus Christ (the Anointed One) our Lord! So then indeed I, of myself with the mind and heart, serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:23-25‬ ‭AMPC‬‬


“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go into the kingdom of heaven. When the disciples heard this, they were utterly puzzled (astonished, bewildered), saying, Who then can be saved [from eternal death]?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:24-26

Nwamaikpe

Can’t remember the other old names from the past

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God is only given as guide to those who have become perfect/Holy through continual submission to and obedience of Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments. - John 8 vs 31 - 44

No one who still struggles to obey God can have have Spirit of God living inside of Him this because God is Holy and His Spirit can only abide in that which is Holy and acceptable to God.

So, if living a perfect Christian life in submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ remains hard, then what that means is the one is yet to know the Truth and had yet to be set free from slavery to sin by the Truth.... meaning the Spirit of God is not involved in that life yet.

Lol!

Please read the book of Romans and follow Paul’s teachings closely. Check his teachings on justification. It is hypocritical for a believer to claim all is rosy in the Christian race when we know it is not. The Holy Spirit provides guidance for the believer but we still face several tests that try our faith severely. I cannot claim the tests that come my way are very easy just to make myself feel good as not to be thought of as a weak Christian.

Jesus faced challenges, his disciples faced theirs, pastors face theirs, every believer will at one time or another.

Anyone who says the Christian race is easy is not telling the whole truth.

KnownUnknown:
Sorry to break it to you but we will never test nor theorize for all conditions of life in our galaxy talk less of the universe.

Okay. For now multiverses are simply hypotheses

Truvelisback:
Living a perfect christian life is hard but it's possible. To some, the christian life is easy probably because of their wealth, nice cars, beautiful houses etc. Our human needs too makes christianity hard too. e.g our need 4 money, happy marriage, children, happy home, good job etc.

Hardship, poverty, childlessness, marital delay, broken home etc, make it difficult too for one to live a perfect christian life.

In summary, living a perfect christian life as a human (having a flesh and blood) is really hard but it's possible. It's neither easier 4 the rich but it's more harder 4 the poor. My own point of view.

Becoming like Jesus Christ ( Christlikeness) through the exhibition of the 9 fruit of the Holy Spirit is never and will never be easy. That is why Christianity is hard. But the good news is that a Christian is justified not by his/her own struggles and works, but simply by faith in Jesus Christ. That justification and input of the righteousness of Christ to a believer gives a Christian a soft landing.

Other than that, keeping up with all the teachings of Jesus Christ in the gospels is very tough.

When Jesus taught about denying all and following him or endless forgiveness of wrongs or turning of ones cheek for endless slaps and wrongs or forgiveness of ones sworn enemies or selling all of ones prized possessions to follow him or cutting off anything that could pull one to hell etc are hard doctrines for anyone to keep up with. But then, the Holy Spirit serves as the guide and helper for the believer to make it.

KnownUnknown:
No, God is limited to this universe. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang created the substrate that holds the different worlds created by the different deities.

Ok. We don’t need to waste our time on that until the multiverse theories are demonstrated to be true. Then we can test for all the conditions of life and nature present in our universe in those realms.

Viserion:
Come to think of it..

Fictional movies depict theory of the multi-verse.

What's to say God didn't create another universe or a parralel one �

God made everything. If there are multiverses, God would still be the God that has a necessary existence in all the universes.

Terrence99:
There is nothing like God of Chosen. The only one true God is Jehovah, the God is Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Yes you are right. Just one God we all know.
But you can personalize your experiences with him and call him the God of Terrence99 and we will still agree with you.

He is also the God of Nothingserious.

SarkinYarki:
Anybody that believes that Noah story needs to have his head checked ...

Actually anyone who doesn’t believe in the Bible should have their heads checked up

freshalien:
Rubbish! See how they trying so hard to make their Christianity claims real and relevant.

Quick fact check:

Creation story = Never happened
Garden of Eden = Never existed
Noah’s Ark = Never existed
Tower of Babel = Never existed
Pillar of Salt = Never existed
Ten Commandments = Never existed
Ark of the Covenant = Never existed
Job (“Faithful man of God”) = Never existed
Immaculate conception = Never happened
Jesus’ resurrection = Never happened
Jesus’ ascension = Never happened
Pentecost = Never happened

And the list goes on and on.


Summary:

Half of the bible (Old testament)
Story about the Israelites and their ecounters with other tribes and nations mixed with lies and false stories.

Other half of the bible (New Testament)
Tales about a middle-aged man who claimed to be the son of God; a Jewish extremist who was more interested in forming his own cult than worshipping his “God”.

Conclusion
Christianity = Fable-tales, lies and cooked up stories used by the powerful to dominate the weak-minded.

That is what you tell yourself and you are wrong.
You can now rest and leave Christianity alone.
You shouldn’t really be bothered about them.

captainamiedi1:
You guys are mad or something. Do you know the stress to open a dom account in Nigeria?? Why do I need 2 reference to open dom account in the first place?? Pls review your policies. Why do I need to spend hours to days b4 I can get a f**king dom account??. My colleagues in other countries didn't even sweat to open one but here in Nigeria is madness

Lol!

Dom accounts are like full fledged current accounts. That’s why you require references.
If you open any without references, there will be restrictions on the account. Or you may have limited features on the account.

Anakazo22:
Stop talking shit, we must learn how to appreciate our own and stop talking down on them, Joshua has done fantastic in his boxing career, you win some lose some, and in life you can't reign forever. Congrats to Usyk and kudos to Joshua for making Nigeria proud all these years.

Thank you. This is a reasonable comment.

Okay1234:
Most of the topics are based on how Nigerian women have decided go keep giving us headache for years. Why?

Lol!
Old memories. Around 2006 we will go overnight browsing at a cyber cafe and spend a sizable amount of time surfing and reading gists on nairaland. It helped job seekers a lot .

Will this help our balance of trade?
Will it reduce the pressure on the naira from dollar denominated transactions?
Is it connected to the loans and infrastructural support from China?
Will our commercial banks compete favourably with them?
Only time will tell!

Workch:
Nothingserious, I am here to take your silly questions, please don’t stop

God doesn’t exist

I actually made my point a long time ago.
This is nothing serious. I am just having fun.
Just showing you how silly and warped your logic is. I know that for the next 100 years, you can never answer any of those questions.
I know you exist even though you can’t prove your consciousness. I know logic exists even though you can’t prove it. I know you have a mind even though you can’t empirically prove it.
I know you appreciate aesthetics even though you can’t prove it empirically. I know numbers exist even though you have no empirical proof for them. I know you appreciate beauty even though you can’t demonstrate it empirically. I know the experiences we have about the origins of the universe are true even though we can’t empirically demonstrate them.
Those are true even without empirical proofs.
There are no scientific proofs for scientific theories/laws. But we know and assume they are valid. To say science has disproved God is not even a scientific truth and is not an empirical statement.

God is immaterial, timeless, spaceless and transcendent. You cannot use the prism of materialism to demonstrate God with a lab crucible. You cannot even strictly say “proof of God” as proofs are strictly done in maths.

But we have various arguments that have been adduced intellectually for God’s existence:

1. Cosmological argument notably the Kalaaam Cosmological argument.
2. Teleological arguments that talk about fine-tuning
3. Arguments from morality
4. The times, works, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and his teachings and revelations about God
5. Personal experiences and divine revelations through the Holy Spirit in the life of believers.

If you are a sincere atheist, you would argue about the sufficiency and insufficiency of the adduced evidences or arguments. If you are an insincere and amateur atheist, you would just scream “ no evidence for God”.

Choose wisely the type of atheist you want to be and defend your position.
But then, no atheist has successfully demonstrated God doesn’t exist.

You may read up the weaknesses of verificationism and scientism to help your stance.

This is my last response to you for now.

Cheers

Workch:
God doesn’t exist.
You have proven that

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
God doesn’t exist
So fun doing this

I am still building God into your subconscious. You must learn sense by force.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Flying Spaghetti Monster is the cause before everything.
Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t have to be even conscious

I’m stupid, I don’t know the answer so I am just gonna say god did it

And he was even trying to give you the cosmological and ontological evidences for God. He tried sef. Why waste such time on someone whose mind is closed to logic and reason? Hahaha!
Someone who cannot prove his logic, consciousness and mind? How will he consider the cosmological, teleological, moral arguments for God?

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
God doesn’t exist

Lol! Are you trying to make one last frantic attempt to clutch at a straw? You are an intellectually drowning guy!

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Because your god can’t show up, you ask silly questions.

I can’t believe I’m thing that can’t help me when I need them to show up. It’s hard to be you

Game up for this non-existent entity who cannot as much as show empirical evidence that I am not chatting with a puppet or toy now.



Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
If I were god, I will just prove myself and save you from this embarrassment, but god doesn’t exist

He can’t show up

You are not God. That is the big difference! Lol

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
All the question because his god disappointed him.
Can’t show himself

Dead god

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Theres no proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Spider-Man don’t exist either. Maybe Spider-Man created the universe

There’s nothing as scared of evidence as religion. It pains you people when that is demanded

Are you hiding something?

Hahaha! You are still here wasting time.
Go and devote the amount of time you spend ruminating about our God to refute spaghetti and spider-man. We have raised GOD-CONSCIOUSNESS in you. May God be with you always. And may his consciousness abide in your mind now and ever, Amen!

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
I am not the handiwork of a nonexistent being.
I exist and can be proven, your god doesn’t.
They earlier you StArt thinking like someone with brain, the better

You don’t exist. I asked you to show me empirical evidence of your consciousness, mind and this warped logic you are applying. You failed since. You don’t exist if you don’t provide that. QED

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
When you are done running away from providing evidence for your god. I will still ask you evidence for taking snakes in Genesis
Funny people, that’s they get scammed easily

Running from pillar to post now? Snake in Genesis and all supernatural events still revolve around your problem with naturalism/materialism/verificationism/scientism. As far as you carry hammer around and think everything is a nail, you will still be stuck at where you are.

I already concluded you don’t exist as you have failed to give me empirical evidence of your consciousness, mind and logic.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Never test your lord because we don’t want you to know that he doesn’t exist

You are gullible

Hahaha! This guy you are still here?
We already concluded you don’t exist since you failed to prove your consciousness to us empirically. Hahahaha!
Remember your logic about what cannot be tested doesn’t exist, including you and your logic.


Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
You are the person stuck in deluded beliefs created from Stone Age. You should be ashamed of yourself for that

Lol!
I will keep peppering your ignorance with these questions. Go home and study and learn in silence:

More ashamed than you believe it like a zombie without evidence. Seems like ancient humans who made this up are even smarter than you

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
[s]i will respond to you when I see evidence for your god. No long unnecessary stories

Don’t beat yourself up pls. It’s an assignment for you to consider. Your response will not add a dime to my financial position. Keep ruminating on this for a while. It’s a good check on your verificationism and scientism stance.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Same set of questions because he has no evidence for his blind believes.

Blind follower of faith

Hahaha!
I guess you are stuck. Any day you feel like considering and responding, we talk. Until then, you haven’t earned the right to ask anyone about proofs for a supernatural and immaterial God.

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.

Workch:
Everything can be tested if it exist

Good point.
1. Can we start with your consciousness?
If you can’t show me empirical proof for your consciousness, then you don’t exist. Agreed? Show us.

Number 2: show us empirical proofs for your logic and reasoning applied in this discourse. If you can’t , we can assume we all haven’t been applying logic in diverse ways here. Pls show us.

3. Show us an empirical proof of your mind not being separate from your body and our discussion happening in real time.We need to be sure you are typing in real time and not a million years ago.

4. Show me empirical proof for maths or we assume they don’t exist.

4. Show me an empirical proof that the device you are holding is finer and more beautiful aesthetically than mine.

If you don’t have any of these proofs, then you don’t exist, your mind don’t exist, aesthetics don’t exist, maths don’t exist , logic don’t exist.
I am following your logic and I like it.