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Workch:
You believe fairytales without evidence because you brain is not functioning properly.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Again is this statement of yours an empirical truth?
Everything you do or type here and in every aspect of your life should be reduced to empiricism. Don’t you think so?
Lol. You are already failing

Workch:
You can have your faith and be a scientist, that’s your business but you cannot invent anything with your faith in science because faith and beliefs don’t wrk in science

So you concede one could have faith and still be a good scientist. Lol!

That implies there is no difference in the mental and intellectual faculties of a Christian and an atheist. Both are humans made by God with intellectual capabilities to conquer and dominate the universe as recorded in Genesis 1.

NoToPile:
Lool yeah e certainly reach to brag but putting the tokens of virginity (the blood) on the internet is not good judgement.

If he wanted to brag he should have just said it, typed it or whatever not posting the picture of their bedsheets for the whole world to see, its wrong. Even when they used to show tokens of virginity back in the days it was the family that saw it not the whole world.

My own grouse is the implications of posting that picture. It is well.

Thank you jare. Anyone who keeps their virginity can brag. It should be the norm and not an abnormality. Not many can do it. The few who could do it are strong and disciplined.

FutureIsFemale:
Can someone help me tell Reno that virginity does not guarantee a good home.

We are talking about virginity and you are bringing in gender. Are women the only ones to keep their virginity till marriage?

Honestly the hate on the female gender is so much.

He said ANYONE.

He didn’t say virginity guarantees a good home. There is no single virtue that guarantees a good home. So many things contribute. But it is a show of great virtue and strength and discipline for anyone to hold body until marriage. He is right. It is something to cheer and hail someone for. Not so many can do it. Perhaps the many that cannot do it think it is now an aberration instead of the normal.

It’s like someone hailing his child for getting a first class in the university and another quips whether it guarantees a good job. It may not, but it may also. But then it calls for celebration and is a sign that the person tried to do well and perhaps kept to his or her goal.
Cheers

Goel:
All these things are complete garbage. Hinduism doesn't have concept of theism, atheism or conversion. It is a synonym of Indian culture. A Hindu might be a polytheist, monotheist or atheist. There are no restrictions or forced beliefs unlike Islam and Christianity.

Please stop the cherry-picking. He was asking if there were atheists who had changed their worldview. I listed those with a source. If you want to discuss the names, pls go ahead and discuss all including Anthony Flew.
Thanks

Workch:
You should go and learn basics of burden of proof in philosophy and logic first before trying to teach people

Illiterate

Do you even understand what burden of proof means? You just like throwing concepts around.
So tell us what burden of proof is and why you think anyone has the burden of proof aside from you.
Maybe you don’t know you aren’t arguing from a default worldview. Do you?

treatise:
Polio, small pox, ebola and other diseases would have wiped out humanity if not for scientific breakthroughs.

Christians and other theists were at the forefront of science that evolved to where we are today. Christianity or God has never been alternatives. So there is nothing wrong with humans using their God-given abilities to develop solutions through science.

See Genesis 1:26-30

“God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth. [Ps. 104:30; Heb. 1:2; 11:3.]

And God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it [using all its vast resources in the service of God and man]; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and over every living creature that moves upon the earth.

And God said, See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the land and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.

And to all the animals on the earth and to every bird of the air and to everything that creeps on the ground–to everything in which there is the breath of life–I have given every green plant for food. And it was so.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26, 28-30‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

RingRoadMafia:
It's funny how this guy believes science in everything else, even using it to prove his fake conspiracy theories, but he doesn't believe it when that same science tells him that his God doesn't exist. Smh for gullible nairalanders

Science doesn’t say God doesn’t exist.
Do you have the scientific text that said that? Pls show us.

Righteousness2:
Changes to our planet Earth are now Accelerating.

The World appears to be in the Grip of a Weather Crisis, which has become more Intense and Higher in Frequency than anything seen in History, and yet all these were Foretold over 2000yrs ago in Bible Prophecy that this would Happen.

Satan has tricked Mankind to believe that Climate Change is Real and in turn has Blinded many to the Gospel of JESUS Christ.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I have said it here over and over that there is nothing any Government, Scientist, technology or whatever can do about the changes in the Weather.

What we are seeing are the Signs that signals the Return of JESUS Christ and the End of the World.
What we are witnessing is GOD Almighty Warning an Unbelieving and Unrepentant World that Judgement is Coming.

Correct guy!
Well done.

Kalam cosmological argument :

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

They say the universe is not eternal and is rapidly expanding.

This is just confirming what the Bible said a long time ago.

FatherOfJesus:
The holy spirit is here chilling with me.
You want him to make you speak in tongues.

Apply within stating the tongues you would prefer

1 John 2:18-27

1 John 2:19

FatherOfJesus:
As dry as the wilderness my son Jesus fasted for 40days and night

Matthew 12:31

FatherOfJesus:
let's see when I send you to hell

Dry.

Workch:
God just showed up on nairaland and you don’t believe it?

That’s how rapture will occur and you will miss it.
Remember Revelation 16 vs 15 “Behold I come like a thief”
God is here, you go to believe it

Well again, that’s not the Bible. If only you will humble yourself and study the Bible to be able engage Christians. You failed again. The joke is dry. Try harder to make it look okay. Of course with a sound Bible knowledge

FatherOfJesus:
That's my son Jesus talking there.
He made me proud while he was on earth.

Glory be to me

End of the game for you

Workch:
lol, this is the evidence I have been asking for.
Nothingserious, your god finally showed himself on nairaland.

Thank you lord

You see your folly? You should be grounded in the Bible if you want to be a sound atheist.
You are a just wannabe atheist.

The Christian Bible said not to have any other god beside God Yahweh. It didn’t say there are no smaller gods.
So if you think you and your friend are gods and fiends, the Bible already got it covered.
But in your state of ignorance, you didn’t even know and thought you could turn it for mockery.
Alas you did yourself in.
Hahaha!

FatherOfJesus:
[s][/s] your wisdom is like a filthy rat in my sight.

Can anyone know better than the lord? No

I'm the lord who created Dawkins and Hawkings, I made donkeys and monkeys, the birds of air, fish of thr seas and reefs.
I'm here working in mysterious ways

Matthew 7:6

hupernikao:
In intelligent argument as this, pushing on burden of proof is a sign of lack of knowledge. When you know something proof it. If you say a god doesn't exist, that is a claim, so you proof it. If someone say he does exist that is a claim, he should also prove it. But hiding behind a burden of proof is a strawman approach and found among people who only talk of things they can even understand or defend.

I have asked you over 15 times since yesterday to prove your claim but you were only repeating the memory verse (Spiderman, spaghetti. Lol) you were taught by your senior counterpart.

Such mindset can't sit on the table of intelligent argument. It only strive online.

Great mind!
Thank you.
These guys are not on the same level with you.
They cannot attempt any of your demands aside from parroting Spider-Man and indomie up and down.
Lol

FatherOfJesus:
where did this church mumu come from?

Foolish child. How is that rant an empirical truth? Can you show us?

FatherOfJesus:
[s][/s] you can't question me, I am thy lord your God.
Look at my moniker, I joined nairaland to work in mysterious ways

So can you empirically test your rants for its validity? Still waiting

FatherOfJesus:
You are a fool if you think the burden of proof lies on the person refuting the God claim.
Religious people always think foolishly.

The Bible made thousands of claims that hasn't been proven and you want someone that is refuting it to bear the burden of proof. If that's how burden of proof works in your useless church then I wil reset your brain here.

That's what religion does, it turned everhting upside-down to cover its dishonesty. It amuses me that people who preach truth can be this dishonest.

How can you tell someone who's refute the biblical claims to prove a negative? Are you Christians everlasting morons?

Religion is a total scam and practiced by idiots who are liars and you are evidence for that.

You make amateur philosophy mistakes of Russell's teapot and then think you have any brain in thay your skull?
Who provides Evidence for a god claim?
The person making the claim or the person refuting it?

If I slap you EH?

Religious beliefs are as valid, basic and warranted as any other beliefs you have and doesn’t need any proof to make it valid.

Whatever anyone tries to do is at best an academic venture. Inspite of that, you can show him why you think their claims are wrong. Or maybe you don’t even know .

Sound atheists will tell you it is difficult to disprove God. Stephen Hawkings conceded to that. Richard Dawkins alluded to that too.

We don’t know you pls.

FatherOfJesus:
Religion is a disease. It eats the most valuable parts of the brain and leaves wasted remnant.

The religious moo wants you to disprove lies that hasn't been proven. This can only happen in religion
I usually do not have patience for such kind of ignoramus.

How is your rant logical and reasonable and empirical?

FatherOfJesus:
[s][/s] you have no moral right to talk about sound objections when your claims are not sound.

"That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
You are useless person who believes in biblical myths without evidence.
Go find evidence for all the fables in the Bible before any sane human can take you seriously.

This fool just parroting what he copied from the net. You just shot yourself in the foot. If you were smart enough and had thought your response through, you would have noticed your quote is self-refuting as it crashes all your and his claims of empirical proof for all your lines of defense. That is a concession of never speaking from empirical point of view.

Get out of here attention seeking foolish Child.

We are solidly behind you bro.
Pls practice and bounce back.

Workch:
you are yet to take me through microevolution

I didn’t see your objections to the quote below yet.

Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.

Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

~Richard Lewontin

Workch:
skeptics don't believe magic. Your religion is magic

Atheism is a religion.

Workch:
skeptics don't believe magic. Your religion is magic

Lol!

I give up.
You are just reasoning and responding like secondary school children. I am sorry for all the troubles abeg.
Go brush up and maybe come back after a while

Workch:
Theres no evidence right? You just want to argue

If I were you, I would pretend small, check and come back. These questions are beginning to make me think we are on different pages.

Do you understand what argument from teleology or cosmology or morality or beauty meant?

Every sound atheist or skeptic should understand what I meant and should have sound objections and defeaters. Not the way you go about it pls.

Workch:
what evidence na?

We shouldn’t be discussing here if you don’t understand those arguments.
Maybe this was a mistake after all.

Workch:
Show me the astronomical evidence that supports the Bible?
Just one

The cosmological and teleological arguments for God do.

Workch:
Evolution is against Christians story.
Even the Catholic Church now accepts evolution, what are you waiting for?

Geology says Noah’s ark didn’t happen.
Medicine says Jesus birth cannot happen.

N/B: if you ask me any strawman questions, I will resort to trolling but if you want to discusss like someone with brain, then be my guest.

You are finally regaining your senses. I am happy you knew all along that you had no monopoly of madness and ridiculousness.

Christians have no problems with microevolution. Macroevolution is what people like you have no empirical explanations for and want to force it on everyone as science when we know it is mere philosophy as Darwinism.

There is no science yet that has anything to say about miracles and supernatural events including the immaculate birth of Jesus Christ. Medicine didn’t say anything. Rather you said something because you think medicine can explain all reality you know. It cannot. It doesn’t have the tools to investigate miracles including the immaculate birth. Medicine can only say “ we do not know based on the facts available to us”.

Stop saying what medicine has not said.

Workch:
What would it take for Christians to believe that Zeus and Flying Spaghetti Monster exist?

-I contend we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.- Stephen Roberts

“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.

Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

~Richard Lewontin