Crystyano:



Thoughts are associated with something with a physical form.....




So, your lack of understanding isn't an achievement.....,

So can we get in a physical form a cow or car or house when your brain is opened by a surgeon, after you had thought about these things?

Primesky:
Just as TenQ said, light and heat energies exist even though they're not tangibles. If you dispute that existence cannot be without material body, yet we have these two for example, do you then inffer that the physical created the non physical?. If that be the case how can it be?.

It's difficult for a picture within a frame to comprehensively describe the frame in which it is housed.

I perceive that the major attack here is against God's existence, but it's an attempt in futility as He who exists outside time, space and matter which give rise to the physical, can not be subjected by the same things which he made.


The non physical ( to man) is more real than the physical.

We understand what it’s being attacked.
When people come to make claims about non belief in phenomena that cannot be touched or felt or seen, then they erroneously obliterate their very existence and logic.

We know that no one can show empirical proof of their consciousness, the OP inclusive. We know the OP has never seen logic or have shown empirical evidence for logic. We know the OP has never seen a mind before.
We know the OP cannot even provide proof that we are living at this time and having this conversation.

If the OP continues on that track of strict empiricism, verificationism and scientism, then all forms of existence and reality are obliterated.

Why? Because we can’t really be sure of anything.

Check up the story of Flatland: A 3 dimensional object describing 3 dimensional planes to 2 dimensional planes. The 2 dimensional planes struggled to understand the 3 dimensional planes as they had never been exposed to information about any 3 dimensional plane.

See Jesus and Dr Nicodemus below:

“What is born of [from] the flesh is flesh [of the physical is physical]; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above).

The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going.

So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered by asking, How can all this be possible?

Jesus replied, Are you the teacher of Israel, and yet do not know nor understand these things? [Are they strange to you?]”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:6-10‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Crystyano:



You deny what you read as usual.....


People like LordReed know what I wanted.......past tense......



I have gotten it.......a confirmation that living things without a physical form can't exist.....



The thread is only useless to people like you.....

If you have thought about cars, houses, airplanes etc today and a doctor opens your brain for a surgical operation, will we find those items in your brain? No.
But are those thoughts real in your mind? Yes.
Can we still say those items don’t exist because we can’t find the physical forms of the houses and cars in your head?
No.

So your point isn’t valid.

Crystyano:



You deny what you read as usual.....


People like LordReed know what I wanted.......past tense......



I have gotten it.......a confirmation that living things without a physical form can't exist.....



The thread is only useless to people like you.....

Obscurantism

Crystyano:



It's the fault of those that claim to know spirits exist....


MaxInDHouse uses baseless comparisons....
peggywebbs can't determine the form in which they exist after her rituals....
Dtruthspeaker can't determine what exactly I don't know.....



Don't ask me why spirits don't exist!!!!

I have not said they don't exist...

But if you fail to determine the form in which they exist,
Then it means you are the reason why they don't exist.....

What manner of contradictions are these?

You start your thread as if spirits don’t exist.
Then you say you didn’t say they never exist.
You turn around to ask what form they exist.
You now conclude that someone else’s inability to describe spirit forms makes that person the reason for their non-existence.

This is a baffling awe-inspiring fallacious conclusion from wrong or no premises.

What really do you want to talk about?

Crystyano:



You consider it as a personal opinion...


But that's your problem......


You were not born to ask me stupid questions or even quote me at all......

This thread generally is useless and lacks no merit for useful comments.

If you don’t intend to receive questions for your opinions, then keep them to yourself.

You come online and made a personal remark.
We ask you to say what you want from us.
And then you go defensive. Who does that?
Useless thread

budaatum:


And you too, Nothing.

Do know that I very much appreciate the respect and regard with which you communicate.

Thank you Sir.

smileyoo:
don't mind him, some nigerians can be irritatingly selfish, always behaving like fish in the river; - a fisherman will be ashore, picking them one after the other, while the free ones inside the sea will be swimming as if nothing happens, until it becomes their own turn for the same fisherman to pick them.
not my portion crew, can be irritating, instead of striving to build a better society where everyone could be safe, they will be busy with a selfish prayer that helps no one.
nobody deserves evil portion.

Not fair on the kidnapped friends…good.

Shouldn’t display selfishness for coming out unhurt….good.

All other things you said down there out of anger are really not necessary. I am sure you said them because you were angry, but then they aren’t necessary. Prayers are not useless.
Those people plying the route, the kidnapped victims and the others definitely must have been trying their best to be good citizens, followers and would have been contributing to their society. The duty of building the society may not lie entirely in their hands.

They are victims here and are not the ones responsible for making that road and that society safe like you suggested.

That is government’s primary duty.

Crystyano:



It's the fault of those that claim to know spirits exist....


MaxInDHouse uses baseless comparisons....
peggywebs can't determine the form in which they exist after her rituals....
Dtruthspeaker can't determine what exactly I don't know.....



Don't ask me why spirits don't exist!!!!

I have not said they don't exist...

But if you fail to determine the form in which they exist,
Then it means you are the reason why they don't exist.....

You haven’t said anything.

Why do you think spirits don’t exist?
Why are you voicing out your personal opinion on spirits? What do you intend to tell us about spirits?

budaatum:


And that is why my own parents fed me books, Nothing. Books about Egyptian Gods, Greek Gods, Roman Gods, Nordic Gods, Arabian Gods, Bible Gods, British Gods Yoruba Gods, for of course they'd want me to understand my culture, and etc Gods.

They gave me a lots of "other People’s experiences" for me to learn to develop my heart and soul and mind, for as Christ is written to have said, or rather, buda's subjective understanding", [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%204%3A4]Those who live on bread alone will become malnourished[/url]".

Okay.
Nice one.
We meet again soon.
Do enjoy the new week ahead

God1000:
As a heathen who believes in humanism, I'm free from religious bondage, the existence of God is something that bothers me a lot, we read so much about his mighty power in the Bible and quran, but how do we know all that story is real, how do we believe in someone that doesn't show himself (physical appearance) will I croak before I get the answers? we had a rebellious Israelites in the Bible despite all the miracles they witnessed through different prophets untill Jesus came, how do you expect this generation that never saw any of such to believe that he exist! Nigeria is littered with churches and mosques from every nook and cranny, we have the richest pastors on earth but look at the condition of our country today, why is God not answering our prayers? What could be wrong

If you think the terrible conditions of Nigeria indicates God doesn’t exist, do you think the better state of the US and some other developed nations indicate God exists?

Mutonke:
Married People Revealed The Darkest Secrets They've Been Keeping From Their Spouses For Years.

A while back, redditor u/dusty_ninja asked the internet, "What is the darkest thing you have kept from your partner?" Several married people shared shocking secrets they've been keeping from their spouses — and some of them are heartbreaking.

Here are some of the most surprising ones:

Note: Some responses are taken from Reddit thread and from BuzzFeed Community submissions from this post.

1."I regretted getting married. I never wanted it, and I feel like she pressured me into it."

2."I'm afraid to tell my husband that before we met and got married, I was hooking up with a married man."

3."That having children has made me hate him."

4."I have two children she knows nothing about."
"Got two girls pregnant in high school, and they both want nothing to do with me. That was over 20 years ago, and I've known my current wife for about seven years. One kid died in a car crash, and the other, I have no idea about."

5."I never told my wife that her mother tried to have sex with me."

6."I love my husband and am so happy in our marriage, and I see it lasting for the rest of our lives. But my whole life, I’ve been able to cut ties with people without a second thought; I don’t want to do that with my husband, but the fact that I wouldn't really be bothered if we did end up splitting is troublesome."

7."I've slept with his boss — and I know he slept with one of his coworkers."


8."That I miss being single."

"Less responsibilities, less effort that you have to put into your home life, and you get the bed all to yourself."

9."If it weren’t for our kids, I would have killed myself. The idea of leaving them fatherless or with some 'new dad' is the sole reason I’m still around."

10."We're divorced now, but a few years ago, I slept with my wife's cousin one night when she was in town and my wife was at work."

11."Just how much I depend on her. For our first eight or so months of marriage, my wife and I were never apart due to moving around and being in lockdown. Even now, we're hardly apart since we both work from home. She doesn't know just how sad I get when she goes away."

"I miss her so much, and all I really want to do is curl up on the bed and wait for her to come back. I lose my smile, I lose interest in all my hobbies — everything. Once she gets back, though, I'm alright again."

12."I hate that she compares me to her ex-husband, and I have to prove her wrong over and over again."

13."That I think he should have found someone who isn't as broken and messed up as me."

14."That deep down, I really, truly hate her and what she did to our relationship. I'm only staying to get finances in order so the kids don't suffer."

15."I really dislike his dad. He is misogynistic, close-minded, and verbally abusive. I wouldn’t be surprised if it even became physical by how much he hits the wall."

"I do not want him around our children (when we have them) at all."

16."My debt."

17."Our premature baby died due to a weeklong cascade of events starting with her pre-term birth at 28 weeks. I’ve never told my husband, and never will tell him, that he actually caused my water to break. It was totally accidental, and he has no idea THAT'S why my water broke."

18."How much I hate his family for how they treat him. He doesn’t see the put downs and negativity and is very close to them."

19."I have thoughts of suicide, but I can’t do that to my husband and kids."

"I was born with only one hand. I have rheumatoid arthritis in the one hand I have, and I know it’s spreading. I have osteoarthritis in my lower back and scoliosis to the point where I am most likely going to need spine surgery. I’m only 31 years old. I can’t do this for another 50+ years. I am in such bad pain now and it’s only going to get worse. I don’t want my husband to turn into a caregiver. I can’t envision not being able to take care of myself."

20."I want to tell her how I feel, but I need to grow a spine. We are really just roommates with kids."

"I have to get over what her reaction will be."

And finally:

21."That I haven't felt the spark in a few years."


Some responses have been edited for length and/or clarity.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/abor47/those_who_are_married_what_is_the_darkest_secret/

5,7,9 are scary.

11 is cheering.

There are so many beautiful testimonies from couples on their marriages. Maybe we need to hear more on the positives.

Many are enjoying their marriages contrary to what most people think.

But it is delusory to think there is a perfect spouse anywhere. Great work is involved. Maturity is involved. Patience and tolerance are involved. And the grace of God to take care of things beyond us.

Bnaira77:
Dear nairalanders happy sunday to you all. The reasons for my subject is about spiritual matters I hope you all will enjoy what I'm about to share with you. Thanks anyways

The scripture says blessed are those who hear the words and do them they are like a wise man who built his house upon the rock Matt 7:24

I'm saying this because I've really been trying to practise the word of the LORD since ive committed my life to the LORD, following the men of God on youtube, teachings like Prophet T.B Joshua, Bishop Oyedepo, Benson Idahosa, E.A Adeboye e.t.c Most especially Prophet T.B Joshua ( R.I.P Man of God)

There is one of his sermon on youtube which says how to be filled with the Holy Ghost. I love this teaching so much that I watch it and practise it over and over again but now I'm tired I mean practising it, why because I was so much in love with the Holy Bible before I started watching the teaching and after I've been practising it, it is like so hard and strange for me to read, study my Bible again.

Tho the teaching really helped me groaning, singing psalms in the spirit, talking to myself in psalms and hymns.practicing it whereby I got my healing via the teaching. I noticed my heart was cleaned that it manifested in the outside. In my chest there are strange things that I had not seen before and at my back there are also strange things that was not there so now my question is am I filled with the Holy Ghost ?

1. My body, spirit and sould is so strong now but I cant sit and study my Bible unlike before
2. I cannot read or study my Bible like I used to after practising the teaching
3. I no longer fall in Love with my Bible like I used to because I've practised this... Am I filled with the Holy Ghost?

I feel exhausted after practising the teaching for the past 3-4 months.

Has anybody gone through this spiritual process or its spiritual boriness or spiritual depression

I feel tired when I'm about to study the word unlike before please help me where I can study the word from Morning till night... na wa oo

I want to go back to that peace

Your opinion is highly prioritized
Ps. I won't sleep at night for the past 8months and more following the scripture Thessalonians 5 vs 5

Who get Jesus Number ooo���������

How do I pray when I don’t feel like praying?

1 Never depend upon my feelings
2 Use a prayer from Scripture
3 Recite God’s attributes
4 Thank God for His blessings
5 Be guided by a prayer list
6 Focus on the needs of others
7 Rejoice that Jesus is praying for me

-
@DustinBenge

CandyOps:
Tbh, the bible is really an uninteresting book to read and the prints are way too tiny. It's okay not to have the ginger to read it as much as before. I've read the Bible cover to cover at least 2wice. So I'm talking from experience

Lol!

You may wish to get a copy of the Bible with bolder texts. You may also use online copies that can be zoomed.

There are so many Bible resources that help in one’s study. Aside from your daily devotionals from your church, you could check out “ Every day with Jesus” devotional written by Selwyn Hughes. The daily messages are short but very interesting and will pique your interest to study the passages recommended in line with the devotional for the day.

If your church operates Sunday school classes, try and go to church on time and join the Sunday School class. Bible study is more interesting when you study, draw up questions, ask, sometimes rub minds/reason with others, leave out unanswered questions that propel you to study more.

But then stop pushing yourself to finish plenty chapters at a time. Choose a topic, say “ What the Bible says about work, diligence, grace, discipline etc, cross-reference from the Old Testament and see the application of these things in your contemporary life or business or work. You will notice that you will be looking for more time to study the Bible.

When contemporary issues that bedevil our society comes up, you will always see what the Bible has to say about it. With the help of the Holy Spirit, the Bible study becomes interesting.

Crystyano:
How do living things without a physical form exist

In fact, how does anything that is not a property of something with a physical form exist when it's not something with a physical form??


As far as I'm concerned,if something exists,then it's either something with a physical form or the property/characteristic of something with a physical form.....


The other time,AOO1 was talking about spirits but he ended up saying nothing or not saying anything at all!!!!

You said “as far as I am concerned…”. That’s your personal opinion. I was reading to see you conclusion on why spirits don’t exist, but you didn’t put anyone. This is more like a monologue in your mind.

So why do you think spirits don’t exist?

IbileIfe:
Seventy years ago, American chemist Willard Libby devised an ingenious method for dating organic materials. His technique, known as carbon dating, revolutionized the field of archaeology. And he won the Nobel Prize in 1960.
But now a new report found fundamental errors in his theory which scientists and paleoclimatologists have used to change the biblical accounts of creation in Genesis of the Holy Bible.




Dinosaurs existed on earth, but that they existed between 243 and 233.23 million years ago is a historical Lie.
Two of them were mentioned in the Holy Bible.
Behemoth (Job 40:15-24) and Leviathan (Job 41).

Biblical accounts of creation from Genesis 1 shows that the universe is millions of years old. But the creation of humans occurred thousands of years ago.

We appreciate science and all it had done to help humans describe nature around them.
I am sure more fine-tuning will be done on the dating techniques and in some of the other fields like the quantum physics and the wave- particles arguments. Science describes nature ( attempts to). If the conditions and tools change, errors would be spotted. Data will be falsified and modify. That’s science and it’s okay.

No one knows exactly how old the universe was in Genesis 1:1-2 before God created humans. But we know that the universe is older than vegetation, which is older than animals and then humans being the last entrants. The gap could be millions or billions of years.

The book of Job being the oldest book in the Bible offers more details on the summarized accounts in Genesis.

FalseProphet1:
Uba is terrible, if your network is bad don't even bother opening it cos it won't load, it doesn't automatically update your account balance, to successfully complete a transfer is another work of its own cos it would keep telling you unable to complete, you have to keep trying and trying until it goes.

UBA made me download carbon and kuda on my phone cos they were almost frustrating my life with their slow app.

But enaira from CBN is the worse...that one if your money hang and they debit you, just forget about that money cos you can't go to CBN to complain.

This I have seen.

UBA mobile app is very easy and friendly to use.
Their app hardly debits without successfully transmitting the funds, else it auto reverses.

Diamond mobile app is also very easy to use.

First Bank is good but breaks down sometimes.

Access more is easy to use too but tough at enrollment. Diamond app is the easiest at the point of enrollment.

budaatum:


Are you assuming I would not teach them to use their own brains at all?

I was taught about smoking by my mum who took me to work to show me patients ill from smoking. She also gave me information about sex so I know to keep my Arrow closed to pigs.

I think I might have ended up as a lot of ignorant people here do who see to have been just told lies about those things you mention, but we'd never quite agree how empowered I am, I guess.

That’s a good and beautiful approach by your mum. That’s what most good mums would have done.

No mum would have loved their wards to be destroyed by destructive habits they engaged in themselves.
No parent would want their wards to personally experiment destructive acts in a bid to have first hand experiences for growth.

They would rather you had learnt from other People’s experiences and then considered wise children.

budaatum:


See you stating your belief about what you obviously know nothing about!

My science lessons in Form One, as opposed to your SS1, where precisely to teach me to use my God given senses to question critically, as opposed to, fill one with facts as you seem to think. 'Who what, why, where, when and how', was on the curricula of all subjects, and even religious studies, where, despite being a Baptist school, we covered the Quran too.

We were made to read Charles Dicken's 'Hard Times', that ridicules the sort of education you received in your SS1 so we don't end up as ignorant Adams

’‘Now, what I want is, facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but facts. facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to facts, sir!'

No Sir. Hard as you may try to press it here, most students that started sciences in Form 1 or SS classes came with a simple aim: they had chosen sciences and planned to study medicine or engineering etc in the future. The sciences were a means to an end. You only started questioning the laws and principles at a later stage.

I also asked many questions in our science classes. I asked questions in our literature classes. I asked questions in our RK classes. But those questions were simply normal questions every young person fascinated by new things and the experiments would have asked.

We weren’t asking philosophical questions so to say in SS1. We were asking why the images were inverted in pin hole cameras. Why the valences of elements were 2 and not 1. Why some species had some names in taxonomy.
Why an author would have made a certain character we liked die.

Yes we had questions about God. But most people didn’t enter the physics or chemistry classes with skepticism and a mind to believe only when the practicals were conducted.

How many practicals were demonstrated from page 1 of Nelkon Physics to the end to warrant your believing in the subject you were studying?

How many chemistry practicals from Holdeners and Lambert were conducted from pages 1 to the end to warrant your belief?

How many were done in Agric and Biology to warrant your belief?

So did you have reservations and apathy for those topics that could not be demonstrated as at then?

I personally do not think you are being entirely truthful. Perhaps in your generation, Form 1 students went to physics and chemistry classes with philosophical questions to believe or not believe in sciences.

In my time, we enthusiastically joined the science classes to pass and become professionals and so already believed in the things we were going to be taught and simply read, performed practicals to excel.

The philosophical questions came to us much later.


“This comes as a bit of a shock to many people.

At school we’re taught science in terms of absolute facts— and this attitude persists rather a long time, into university education as well.

It takes a surprisingly long time for the new information you are being taught to finally be bookended with the phrase “of course, this is all based on the validity of model XYZ, which may turn out to be false.”

In a perfectly rigorous world, every single science lesson you are taught should begin and end with a reminder about the assumptions that underlie the “facts” that were just taught.

Obviously, that’s impractical (you try explaining to thirteen year olds that their mechanics class is predicated on the decoherence of quantum effects at a macroscale, and the low energy limit of the Einstein Field Equations), but it still surprised me at how much the impermanence of science comes as a surprise.

You see this a lot with people who dismiss evolution as “only a theory.”

They can’t quite understand why scientists get up in arms about it.

The fact that we even have arms for us to ‘get up in arms’ about is only a theory, because I can’t even prove that we have arms.“

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/12/14/theres-no-such-thing-as-proof-in-the-scientific-world-theres-only-evidence/?sh=4f2ff2f35392

budaatum:


I hope my children disobey me if I deprive them of fruits of knowledge. I'd in fact be a very stupid parent if I lie to them in order to keep them enslaved to me, and I'm glad I'm intelligent enough to allow them to ask and seek and knock with their own hearts and souls and minds. That is the reason I pay their school fees afterall, so they be empowered.

So would you be happy to come back home and learn your young children had been experimenting with sex and abortions as they tried to confirm whether there are consequences and then learn?

Would you be okay if your children start smoking meth and meth to learn the consequences and grow?

Is it okay if your children experiment with rapes, incest and other moral issues the society frowns at ( I am sure you don’t even care about what the society thinks too. Is that right? Lol).

You children will smash your best phone screens to be able to see how it works and learn.

Is this okay for you?

budaatum:


I happen to have had a wonderful teacher who never asked me to believe what was written in physics and chemistry books. Everything I was taught was demonstrated in a lab so I can demonstrate and see it for myself just as Eve did.

That's science, see. It teaches you to question everything as you see me doing here, instead of merely believing and trembling in fearful ignorance.

No. That wasn’t what happened.
You may have had a fine Physics or chemistry teacher. But the science lessons learnt then in SS1 were not “questioned” by students the way we are critically probing now.

Most students made up their minds to just go study sciences to become this or that in the future and were eager to read, study, memorize , and pass exams to succeed in the university.

Yes practicals were done once in a while but not in many cases. Simple practicals in optics, mechanics and dynamics and electricity were done while the complex ones were read up and we BELIEVED them.

Unless for the sake of this argument you want to say you came into science classes in SS1 with a mind to test and question all scientific lessons before agreeing with the results, I don’t think most students did that or even do that now.

For starters some of the equipment were not calibrated enough to get the results expected as written in the texts. Some of the species and apparatus were make-shift arrangements. Some of the equipment were outdated.

So tell me how in SS1 you were questioning these things aside from the normal inquisitive nature of every young person?

budaatum:


Really? This is like claiming Nigeria will say "Let there be Light", and there will be light, without us first asking and seeking an understanding of how to generate light.

Do let me know when that happens and I just might decide to believe you.

No. That illustration isn’t in sync with what we are discussing.

Is it possible for your children to still learn, advance and excel in school and at home without breaking your TV screens, spoil your phone, get electrocuted and engage in other harmful actions at home? Yes it’s possible.

Learning and advancing as God had already blessed them and commanded them to do in Genesis 1 is not a mutually exclusive event with obedience to God.
Thus, Adam and Eve needed not to disobey God to realize their potential same way your children do not need to engage in self-destructive activities to learn and grow.

Workch:
With basic thermodynamics of liquid, it’s easy to see the ridiculousness of the Noah’s ark myth.
The Bible claims that there was rainfall for 40days that covered the peak of Mount Everest, let’s even assume that the earth contains that much amount of water molecules to reach the height of 8848 meters. What about the latent heat of vaporization of the huge amount of water? What effect will that have on the ecosystem?
This can be even experimented in the most archaic of all scientific labs

What is latent heat of vaporization? Latent heat of vaporization is the latent heat, energy absorbed or released by a liquid during a change in its physical state into gaseous form that occurs without changing its temperature.
For example, when a pot of water is kept boiling, the temperature remains at 100 °C (212 °F) until the last drop evaporates, because all the heat being added to the liquid is absorbed as latent heat of vaporization and carried away by the escaping vapour molecules.

By calculation using the formula to calculate latent heat of vaporization, the amount of energy required from the sun to vaporize such amount of water that covered the peak of Mount Everest within a period of less than 1year will produce a latent heat of more than 5000 °C. This temperature will totally sterilize the biosphere, (part of the earth where living organisms thrive), even the so called thermophiles (organisms that live in extreme temperatures) will not survive this temperature.
So it makes no scientific sense that such an event can occur, it’s demonstrable in the lab that’s a ridiculous concept. Unless of cause you decide to inject miracles into it, however this doesn’t make it any more scientific. It doesn’t just make any scientific sense.

We just have to laugh over it because the story was written by Bronze Age nomads who didn’t even know that the earth is spheroid.
If you believe that story then you are even more ridiculous than they were.

Please demonstrate it in a lab with the exact conditions and variables as at the time of Noah.
You can’t get these hypotheses you propose here when you conduct the test in a similar environment.


Did you also demonstrate and observed again the Big Bang, singularity, multiverses and macroevolution of humans and larger animals?
How about the introduction of microbes by aliens from outer space or the potato soup that led to many life forms?

Isn’t this how the scientific community were duped with the Piltdown Man in a bid to connect the missing dots in macroevolution of larger animals?

If you are interested in appealing to the Bible to question Bible narratives and history, then you should be prepared to check other sections of the Bible for further explanations.

See below what the oldest book in the Bible had to say:

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Declare to Me, if you have and know understanding.

Who determined the measures of the earth, if you know?

Or who stretched the measuring line upon it? Upon what were the foundations of it fastened, or who laid its cornerstone,

Or who shut up the sea with doors when it broke forth and issued out of the womb?– And marked for it My appointed boundary and set bars and doors, [Jer. 5:22.] And said, Thus far shall you come and no farther; and here shall your proud waves be stayed? [Ps. 89:9; 93:4.]

Have you explored the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in the recesses of the deep?

Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the doors of deep darkness?

You must know, since you were born then! Or because you are so extremely old! Have you entered the treasuries of the snow, or have you seen the treasuries of the hail, Which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? [Exod. 9:18; Josh. 10:11; Isa. 30:30; Rev. 16:21.]

Who has prepared a channel for the torrents of rain, or a path for the thunderbolt, Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? Out of whose womb came the ice? And the hoary frost of heaven, who has given it birth?

The waters are congealed like stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Can you lead forth the signs of the zodiac in their season? Or can you guide [the stars of] the Bear with her young?

Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their rule upon the earth? Who can number the clouds by wisdom?

Or who can pour out the [water] bottles of the heavens”
‭‭Job‬ ‭38:4-6, 8, 10-11, 16-17, 21-23, 25, 28-30, 32-33, 37‬ ‭AMPC‬‬
https://www.bible.com/8/job.38.4-6,8,10-11,16-17,21-23,25,28-30,32-33,37.ampc


“He holds the waters bound in His clouds [which otherwise would spill on earth all at once], and the cloud is not rent under them.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭26:8‬ ‭AMPC‬‬
https://www.bible.com/8/job.26.8.ampc

Workch:
Just do what I ask in the op and stop giving me the usual long lies

Lol!

You see the problem. You want to see the foundation of Christianity and an evidence for conviction to believe.
I give you the evidence and what Christianity claims. If you are sincere about what you seek, you would probe the claims of Christianity further.

Christianity claims all who come to Jesus Christ would receive eternal life. Christianity claims the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the bedrock of its existence.

No Christian ever claimed they would turn water to wine to convert the godless.

So why leave their claims and set up your own claim and argue with yourself over your own claim and turn around to say they didn’t meet up with your conditions? No one will take you seriously on that.

budaatum:

That’s what you believe. Thankfully, many Christians are choosing to ask and knock and seek with their own heart and soul and mind.



Religious beliefs are indeed very different from scientific methods. One chooses to believe the subjective opinion they read in a book while others would rather use their own God given hearts and souls and minds to see how the Genesis 3 God evolved from a petty slave owner into a loving freeing eye opening Christ.

It’s unnecessary to say “thankfully “.
Why?
Because all along Christians have always sought, knocked and asked. Jesus echoed it, the disciples did it, the early church did it, Paul did it, the Berean believers did it. The Bible added to test all spirits. Another portion said to study to show oneself approved, rightly dividing the word of truth.

There has never been a time when Christian took the word without asking questions and seeking for further answers same way you also seek answers even with your worldview.

Even Joseph and Mary found it difficult to believe what the angel told them about the virgin birth because of their critical mind to ask, seek and knock. They didn’t just swallow the fact without applying critical reasoning on how nature could be “interrupted “.

Same with Priest Zecharias and Elizabeth the parents of John the Baptist. They ( godly people, a high priest in Israel) also doubted how nature could give way to super-nature.

I wonder the percentage of Christians who don’t ask, seek and knock in searching out the truth from the Bible. Only thing is that the truth about God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is eternal and unchangeable despite the varying grey areas created in denominations. The fundamentals of Christianity aren’t affected.

If you study the Bible with an open mind and in sincerity, you would connect the God Yahweh in Genesis to Jesus Christ of Nazareth in the New Testament.

When you picked up your first Physics and chemistry books to study in SS1, you went there with an open mind and had already believed that what you were ABOUT to read were true based on what your teachers said, what you heard elsewhere. You didn’t pick those physics and chemistry texts to glean through so you could believe later, say after studying them for like 10 years. You just joined the classes and flowed with the classes and believed everything taught you. If you had objections, your objections and issues are likely coming up now many years after.

So study your Bible with an open mind and sincerity and then your questions will have more meanings.

Or do you have an opinion how the Genesis 3 God became loving Jesus Christ in the New Testament? Or you have issues with a loving God who is also a just God?

Nice and interesting article.

But I think this is not strictly for Nigeria right?

In some nations, people try to get a credit record to make their credit applications stand better chances for positive considerations.

Here in Nigeria, it is a thing of pride for one to say “ I never borrow from bank before “, or “ I no need bank money” etc.

Credit checks for now appear to be considered strictly for loan applications, even though some people fear that their current loan status might show on their statements presented for immigration or visa purposes.

Agumbankembu:
Fabrication of Dredging machines and tankers

Aba Enyimba well done!
This is lovely.
Local fabrication at its best.
Let’s start from somewhere and then fine-tune the production and grade.

I do hope they give opportunities to students to do their ITs and pick up first hand practical experiences here.

Students of Mech, Agric, Civil, Met Mat, Engine and even some physics undergraduates can learn a lot from here.

Alphafeezay:
Amazing


When we are here thinking of how to fix bad roads, these ones don finish dey go space.

Who do us?

Lol!

Congrats to her.

Everyone is doing their bit.
The ones in charge of the road construction will always play their roles, while her department plays theirs.

Even if Nigeria begins to send people to the space today, there will still be other problems to solve. Same for the US or China or Russia or Iran.

But like you pointed out, we need to get our priorities right and use our resources to help the masses.

Holiness2100:


Lalasticlala

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16526263/worlds-biggest-great-white-sharks/amp/

Genesis 1:21

And God created the great sea monsters, and every living soul that moves with which the waters swarm, after their kind, and every winged fowl after its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Workch:
Just do what I ask in the op and stop giving me the usual long lies

Why are these lies?

Workch:
Bible is not evidence, it’s a claim that hasn’t been proven to be true.
The earlier you know that, the better

Over 90% of the manuscripts of the New Testament has been confirmed to be reliable.

So many events from the New Testament has been confirmed by scholars, historians and archeologists.

Why haven’t you believed?

Bible isn’t a claim. The historicity of Jesus Christ is affirmed by even skeptical scholars.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is also a historical fact.

The church started on the background of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The early disciples and believers were transformed by this fact and they were willing to pay the supreme sacrifice for it. Why? Because the evidence they saw was weighty enough to make them stand for what they witnessed and believed in.

The evidence of the resurrection was strong enough to make Monotheistic Jews believe in Jesus Christ at the risk of being slammed blasphemers and risking death. They added Sunday aside from the Sabbath as an additional day of worship in holy communion. Those are bold acts anyone wouldn’t take lightly in Palestine where Jesus lived, died and was believed to be raised from the dead by his followers.

Subjectively, Jesus promised the Holy Spirit and a great transformation for all who follow him.
Millions of people all over the world follow Jesus and have testified how their lives had been transform by God through Jesus Christ.

Why do you think these are all claims without evidences?

What manner of evidences would you have accepted in place of those?