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Workch:
Whats the logic behind a story that says a magical sky daddy commanded million of species to travel to Middle East and join a ship made of wood.

Even Superman krypton story is more believable and even have more probability of happening

The logic lies in logic itself. As long as you struggle with the logic of logic, you will never understand it. I was hoping you were going to say specifically how you arrived at your conclusions. Same gibberish and parroting of what you learnt from someone.111

Workch:
Bros, your Noah flood of a 700years old man building a boat that housed millions of species is mid night fairy tales.

Only people in the uneducated village and deranged fundamentalists in the city believe such a joke story. No wonder such nonsense cannot make reasonable science textbooks
You should be listen to full moon tortoise stories instead

Did science say this? Show me how science said it is not true. So you have moved to science now? Does science and religion mix?

I can see your level of reasoning now. A Christian is still ahead of you in logic and rational thinking.

Workch:
Whats logical in believing that Kangaroo hopped from Australia to Middle East to join a wooden ship that houses millions of species for a year.

Sounds like something I read in Spider-Man comic. Can’t you use your brain? That organ is a product billions of years of evolution, use it

Lol!

You aren’t even using your brain properly.
You would have been able to understand that your mind and logic are immaterial yet process a lot of valid truths that are firmly believed in without additional empirical evidences.
Could you just use the organ and think deeply?
Again, I still haven’t seen any difference in the way you think and the way a Christian thinks.

Workch:
Whats logical in believing that Kangaroo hopped from Australia to Middle East to join a wooden ship that houses millions of species for a year.

Sounds like something I read in Spider-Man comic. Can’t you use your brain? That organ is a product billions of years of evolution, use it

Okay so we have established the fact that you have back-pedaled on your initial claim to have a superior thinking faculty than Christians? Good.

We also agree that you could not provide empirical analysis for your statements made earlier.

We also established that your claim that anything not empirically established cannot be believed in was a ruse and falsehood.

Why should we listen to any other you have to tell us now?

Workch:
Dont ask me strawman questions.

Noah’s ark story is gibberish

Lol!
You see why the Christian and other theists are logical and sensible?
You know deep down in your heart that you cannot attempt answers to those questions. In fact you don’t have empirical evidences to short their reality. You simply termed it straw man and deflected. Do you know what strawmanning is?

You want me to discuss empirical evidences with you yet your statement cannot be empirically tested to be true.

Na wa for you ooo

Workch:
I don’t believe tales that cannot be verified by sound empirical evidence.

That’s the difference between skeptics and Christians.

And here we go again!
Do you have any empirical evidence that the statement you put up there is true? Show us pls.

I am sure you are trying to sound logical by applying logic. Do you have any empirical evidence that logic exists? Yet you use logic everyday. How about maths, numbers, aesthetics and your own consciousness?
You don’t have any of those. You believe in them without asking questions. You just assume they are valid. Why do you then think all forms of reality can be empirically tested?

So tell me starting from your statement.

Workch:
So we should link a non verifiable rock to your ark?

How do you Christian think sef?
No wonder they scam you a lot, no brain on how truth can be established.

How do Christians think?
How do skeptics think?
How do humans generally think?
What makes your thinking pattern different from the Christian who incidentally is also a human like you?

inoki247:
But I never Learn Kungfu incase I go bank I wan go mak complain abt my money wey fail nd dem debit me nd d Manager reply me with Shaolin Kick or Snake in the eagle shadow slap...



So what do you mean by everything are already in place when I neva learn Kungfu yet....

Hahaha!
Abeg go learn Chinese languages instead.
That could come handy if you plan to work or do business with them.

DrBrainstorm:
Make dem begin excavation immediately na.
But if you think Kangaroos from the Australian continent, Penguins from Antarctica all trekked to the Middle East to board a boat, then I got nothing to say to you.

Lol!
If you think all the known locations you mentioned had always existed the way you know them now, then I have nothing to say to you. Your theory is good. Don’t you think civilization was centered in certain locations before they dispersed to what we all know today?

freshalien:
I was a seminarian and I almost became a Catholic priest. Studied philosophy and theology for a combined total of eight years. Now you know how I discovered the garden of Eden and Job “faithful man of God” stories were made up by the Jews. I studied Christianity for years. Read the bible front to back, back to front. I know my stuff when it comes to anything Christianity. A good majority of what is in your bible is based on falsehood and lies.

I asked you bring me proof of your religion but you are here quoting from a book that in its true nature is filled with lies and controversial stories.

If you were wise, you would have seen what I had been pointing you to from beginning. Whenever you are willing and ready to learn and discuss, I will always be here. For now, maintain your unreasonable stance and see nothing.

freshalien:
I did my research thoroughly before coming to my conclusions. I didn’t just fabricate stuff out of thin air.

Your christian religion is a plagiarism of ancient religious practices of the Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Assyrians, e.t.c.

Do your research thoroughly and counter my arguments with proof. Was any evidence shown to you when you were converted? No. But you just believed because the person said a lot of gibberish that swayed you. And they keep feeding you such stuff every Sunday.

Take the time and truly investigate the religion you practice and stop being a gullible sheep.

Lies again. You are parroting falsehood that had been overtly debunked and successfully objected to.

Do you think we are kids? Lol
You just run to the net and copy and paste lies?
Is that the thorough research you conducted ?
That’s a poor research. Until I see you in your overalls in Palestine with archeological tools verifying stuff, I will at best describe you as an internet skeptic...

freshalien:
No, I don’t because in truth there is no God.

If you disagree, then simply show me your God.

You already sounding like broken records.
What you wrote up there, is it the truth? Do you have empirical data to show that it is the truth?

freshalien:
I know it is difficult to accept the truth especially when it completely wipes out everything you have known to be ‘true’ all your life. But be objective for once in your life and use that thing your head called a brain; conduct your own research and put me to shame with provable evidence.

I studied philosophy and theology for a combined total of eight years in a Catholic seminary. For all those years the bible was my bread and butter, till I discovered a huge chunk of it were lies. You definitely cannot say I am not learned or just coming up with irrational thoughts when it comes to Christianity.

I only need a few hours of study and audio messages to knock off your wasted 8 years in philosophy and religion.

If this is the best you got from your 8 years, then you were never a philosopher. And you were never a Christian too. Yes you attempted to become a seminarian. That’s the best you did

freshalien:
You think throwing words around with “ism” at the end of it would make you sound leaned??

I studied philosophy and theology for a combined total of eight years in a Catholic seminary on my way to becoming a priest.

Hope you can see now that not only am I not an illiterate, I am more learned than you wold ever be; and that I am clearly not an internet skeptic like your likes claim. I am learned in Christianity because I studied it over and over and over again. I didn’t just come to my conclusions out of thin air; it took years of handwork and research.

I only ask for one thing to back up your christian religious belief - PROOF. Give me that and put me to shame.

The problem with lots like you is that they brag too much about special knowledge when they know little. Even Professors in Bible languages, religion and philosophy who had spent 50 years doing serious work in scholarships are humble and don’t talk the way you talk. We’re you awarded a Phd for your 8 years in seminary?

I don’t need to study philosophy and religion for 8 years to understand the limitations of scientism and verificationism. Why are those simple terms a big issue for you?

I think you wasted those years and achieved nothing.
You have nothing to show for it if this irrational land incoherent lines you are throwing around here and clutching on materialism as the sole prism through which reality can be viewed.

I respect Catholic priests for their scholarship. I am not Catholic. You didn’t even choose to go to seminary to study. You were probably coerced or influenced and here you come making unnecessary noise about what you achieved. Rubbish!

Your poor knowledge of reality and strict empiricism spoilt everything!

Go and sit down abeg

Kobojunkie:
Life does appear rosy and all smooth from to to time. Why, must it not appear so?

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Okay oooo. Me I don commot my hand for this mata ooo. My life no or neva dey rosy. I get plenty challenges wey I dey hustle.
But I know say Holy Ghost dey make we no fear oooo.


“But [like a boxer] I buffet my body [handle it roughly, discipline it by hardships] and subdue it, for fear that after proclaiming to others the Gospel and things pertaining to it, I myself should become unfit [not stand the test, be unapproved and rejected as a counterfeit].”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Davash222:
I like eating with 4 meats garnished with kajad okporoko. Take note when serving, please.

Lol!

Who is taking the note pls?

Truvelisback:
So, those suffering,experiencing hardship, persecuted and even killed are not genuinely born again?

Thank you for that valid question.
It is very wrong for any Christian to believe any other believer who suffers and struggles is because of spiritual inadequacies. Jesus confronted this with the blind man where the disciples asked whether he or the parents had sinned.

Such glossy messages make young believers fail once they don’t see “smooth success “ all around them.

Kobojunkie:
What has Paul's "thorn in the flesh" to do with all Christians?

Where did Jesus Christ teach that all of His followers must have this "thorn in the flesh" you speak of?

What was Peter's, John's, Phillips', Jame's Andrew's etc., "thorn in the flesh"?

So your life is rosy and all smooth right?
You don’t have any personal struggles you pray to God to help you conquer?

wirinet:
From practical experience believers are worse sinners than unbelievers. This is evidenced in countries that has the most churches and mosques being the most morally and physically corrupt and unstable.

If the number of believers is a measure of morality, then Nigeria would have been a beacon of morality in the world.

Hearsay. This is not true.
Pls do you have any data to substantiate this bogus claim?

freshalien:
Rubbish! See how they trying so hard to make their Christianity claims real and relevant.

Quick fact check:

Creation story = Never happened
Garden of Eden = Never existed
Noah’s Ark = Never existed
Tower of Babel = Never existed
Pillar of Salt = Never existed
Ten Commandments = Never existed
Ark of the Covenant = Never existed
Job (“Faithful man of God”) = Never existed
Immaculate conception = Never happened
Jesus’ resurrection = Never happened
Jesus’ ascension = Never happened
Pentecost = Never happened

And the list goes on and on.


Summary:

Half of the bible (Old testament)
Story about the Israelites and their ecounters with other tribes and nations mixed with lies and false stories.

Other half of the bible (New Testament)
Tales about a middle-aged man who claimed to be the son of God; a Jewish extremist who was more interested in forming his own cult than worshipping his “God”.

Conclusion
Christianity = Fable-tales, lies and cooked up stories used by the powerful to dominate the weak-minded.

You are just parroting irrational expressions someone is feeding you. How did you come up with this conclusion?

Well I will only take you seriously when I see your pictures posted from an archeological site in Palestine in your overall with diggers and shovels.

Until you do that, you aren’t any different from any other mouthed internet skeptic

freshalien:
There is no hell or heaven. Just made up stories to make future converts either dream or be afraid. If you think otherwise, then show me proof. Proof of the existence of heaven and hell; someone or something that has been to either of them and back.

I used to be a “believer” like you; a very strong one. I even went about preaching the so called gospel; going from house to house, from shop to shop spreading the “gospel” of your christ. Till the day my eyes opened and I realized I had been deceived and lied to all along. That was the day I became truly FREE.

You were never a believer let alone a strong one.

And now you have started parroting what someone is telling you.

“They went out from our number, but they did not [really] belong to us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But [they withdrew] that it might be plain that they all are not of us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭AMPC‬‬
https://www.bible.com/8/1jn.2.19.ampc

freshalien:
Even if I go to Palestine, nothing awaits me there. There is no evidence of your god anywhere, not in Palestine or anywhere else.

Did you know your religion is just a copy and paste of other ethnic and religious beliefs before it. It is a combination of the Egyptian, Greek, Assyrian and Persian beliefs. Even the garden of Eden story was stolen from the Egyptians as well as the ‘lamb of God’ acronym given to your messiah

I did my research before making my conclusions; I did not just sit in my room and make up stuff.

You should as well do your research; the internet is your friend and knowledge is free. Don’t be a fool swallowing everything in your bible hook, line and sinker without even asking questions and carrying out your own research. It is our ability to ask questions and seek answers that separate us from animals. Don’t be an unintelligent animal just following what he is told because he was told it is the word of a supreme being who watches his every move. Evolve and grow from your ape-like state and become a rational thinking being!

Peace!

After all the noise, you ended up typing irrational thoughts.
You aren’t even wise and smart after all....just another bunch of internet skeptic typing from his device and claiming to have conducted research all round.

Liar!

freshalien:
Alright, prove me wrong. Provide proof to support your belief and all the things said in your bible. You still don’t realize why your religion is based on faith and not provable evidence.



Yes, I accepted the technology brought by the whites because I can see it, feel it, smell it, hear it and it is right in front of me as I type this reply. Unlike christianity, that is based on the fact that someone said something was revealed to him by a god he thinks is in a place where there is singing, praise and worship for all eternity.

And Africans just believed, chai! Who do us this kind thing?!

Grow up child. Go and learn about materialism, verificationism and scientism. Note their limitations and then come back and talk about evidence based on empirical analysis.

freshalien:
It just troubles me to see my African people suffer from a brainwashing done by the whiteman centuries ago. You do know white people no longer practice the same religion they brought to our ancestors right? Ever asked yourself why? Or you think they don’t want to be saved by a god they brought you and told you is the alpha and omega?

It troubles me so much that you could just spread falsehood like this. What you said is not true.

Did you also accept the technology brought by the whites too? I hope you aren’t one of the few struggling to enter the white man’s land?

freshalien:
Conclusion was made because where ever I have asked for proof of the aforementioned, no Christian has ever given me anything concrete.

Oh!

And I had been thinking you were going to say you took your shovels and diggers to Palestine and the Ancient Near East locations, dug and dug but never got a thing.

So you just stayed back in your room and typed on your keyboard and concluded. Try harder pls.
Lol!

Kobojunkie:
Again...The point is you believe Jesus Christ a liar.... whatever He says means nothing to you, so I wonder what your claim to be of Him even is about.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He says and commands. If you don't even believe what He says and reject what He commands, what is there to do but wonder why you blatantly reject Him yet claim to believe Him?

I already told you in the other response to humbly go back and study your Bible and stop struggling with this “Jesus is a liar” chant.

Jesus cannot be a liar. The Bible cannot lie. Maybe you are lying and do not know genuinely. It’s not a problem. Study the scriptures quietly and learn. Please

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO


So, if it is an "idiomatic expression" then why did his disciples and all other followers, including those told of in the book of Acts, do that which is suggested in that parable... sell everything they have, and give it all away, in order to obtain the treasure that is Heaven?
In the passage above, Jesus Christ also confirmed that His instructions to the Rich young man were indeed in order that He might gain access to God's Kingdom by doing as He said.

Another instead which this is teaching is referenced is where Judas derided Mary for not selling the perfume she came to Jesus Christ with and giving the proceeds to the poor. There Judas confirmed that that teaching and commandments was indeed not just for the 12 but for everyone who would become a follower of Jesus Christ.

So why do you continue to choose denial of that which has been given to mankind for over 2000 years now?

“Now the company of believers was of one heart and soul, and not one of them claimed that anything which he possessed was [exclusively] his own, but everything they had was in common and for the use of all. Nor was there a destitute or needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses proceeded to sell them, and one by one they brought (gave back) the amount received from the sales And laid it at the feet of the apostles (special messengers). Then distribution was made according as anyone had need. Now Joseph, a Levite and native of Cyprus who was surnamed Barnabas by the apostles, which interpreted means Son of Encouragement, Sold a field which belonged to him and brought the sum of money and laid it at the feet of the apostles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:32, 34-37‬ ‭AMPC‬‬


Why do you like misquoting the Bible?
You just dabble into the Bible and feel very comfortable in misinterpretations? That’s not nice.

Which Bible said all the disciples in the book of Acts sold all they had to follow Christ?
Is it the same Bible that said SOME sold and brought it back INTO THE FOLD for equitable distribution to solve problems amongst them?

Not all sold. SOME did. If all did, Ananias and Saphire wouldn’t have had anything left.
Aside from the Acts, check Paul’s missionary encounters. How many of his converts sold all they had?

How many of the women that supported Jesus’ ministry sold ALL they had?

Jesus was stressing the importance of self denial and unconditional love for God. Nothing, including your prized wealth and asset and even family should come between you and God. Jesus didn’t expect you to throw your family away to follow him. He didn’t . He blessed children and asked the disciples not to chase them away. He even took out a little time to teach about humility, simplicity in children and about their angels. Jesus attended a wedding to support a new family. He healed Peter’s mother-in-law. He brought back an only son for the widow of Nain. And so on and so forth. Does that look like someone who literally wants you to do away with your family and all you have? He is teaching you about total submission and reliance on God and unconditional love for God above all else.

Please go back and study the Bible calmly. Don’t rush the chapters. Pick up the gospels and Acts and read just a chapter per day and pray along that the Holy Spirit will guide your study. You will be able to pick out meanings and connect them with other scriptures. Scriptures interpret scriptures.

Cheers

Kobojunkie:
Again...The point is you believe Jesus Christ a liar.... whatever He says means nothing to you, so I wonder what your claim to be of Him even is about.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He says and commands. If you don't even believe what He says and reject what He commands, what is there to do but wonder why you blatantly reject Him yet claim to believe Him?

“For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses. Now just as Jannes and Jambres were hostile to and resisted Moses, so these men also are hostile to and oppose the Truth. They have depraved and distorted minds, and are reprobate and counterfeit and to be rejected as far as the faith is concerned. [Exod. 7:11.] But they will not get very far, for their rash folly will become obvious to everybody, as was that of those [magicians mentioned].”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:6, 8-9‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Kobojunkie:
The point is you believe Jesus Christ a liar.... whatever He says means nothing to you, so I wonder what your claim to be of Him even is about.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He says and commands. If you don't even believe what He says and reject what He commands, what is there to do but wonder why you blatantly reject Him yet claim to believe Him?

Lol!

You are sounding like a false teacher. I didn’t see anywhere in the Bible Jesus said the Christian race was simple and easy. You want to twist the Bible to suit your narrative?

Kobojunkie:
So, Jesus Christ is a liar is what you are in fact saying.. since what He said even in John 8 vs 31 - 44 is complete opposite of what you claim here, and this because of what you claim Paul said?

Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ has the Spirit of God? Again, you condemn Jesus Christ as a liar since what He said, even in John 14 vs 15 - 25, and repeated over and over in John 15 and 16, are complete opposite of what you claim here.

You can't have it both ways.... either you believe that Jesus Christ is the Truth of God, as He indeed claims, or He is a liar and your claim to believe in Him is nothing but a sham.

You haven’t made any point from the Bible to say the Christian life isn’t hard. Did you see where Peter asked Jesus how ANYONE could be saved if it was that tough?

Did you see the Biblical reference Paul talked about his struggles as a believer?

So what did Jesus say that points to you that the Christian race is easy?

freshalien:
Rubbish! See how they trying so hard to make their Christianity claims real and relevant.

Quick fact check:

Creation story = Never happened
Garden of Eden = Never existed
Noah’s Ark = Never existed
Tower of Babel = Never existed
Pillar of Salt = Never existed
Ten Commandments = Never existed
Ark of the Covenant = Never existed
Job (“Faithful man of God”) = Never existed
Immaculate conception = Never happened
Jesus’ resurrection = Never happened
Jesus’ ascension = Never happened
Pentecost = Never happened

And the list goes on and on.


Summary:

Half of the bible (Old testament)
Story about the Israelites and their ecounters with other tribes and nations mixed with lies and false stories.

Other half of the bible (New Testament)
Tales about a middle-aged man who claimed to be the son of God; a Jewish extremist who was more interested in forming his own cult than worshipping his “God”.

Conclusion
Christianity = Fable-tales, lies and cooked up stories used by the powerful to dominate the weak-minded.

Internet skeptic!

How did you verify all those and drew a conclusion? On your phone or in Palestine with your archeological tools?

freshalien:
No, I am definitely not bothered by you Christians and your beliefs. Just shocked at your sheer stupidity and gullibility.

You just failed the test.
Leave Christians alone. You are engrossed with them yet claim to have left them alone.
Your brain cannot operate at the same frequency as theirs. Pls leave them alone or catch up with them. Okay?