₦airaland Forum

MtuMsuper:
Look at this one. Youre even trying to dispute facts from that towering website about internet stuff. Did you also know we have the fastest and cheapest internet in africa too? Stop trying to be obtuse by inserting your well known anti kenyaness into the argument.

Oga, nor be by that one.

For instance, Kenya has the highest percentage of banking population in Africa, nobody will dispute that because of Mpesa and how it functions.
But what proofs do you really have to give to show for the wide margin gap Kenya gives to other African countries in your source? Why does this not reflect in the income levels and economy of your country as such?

Countries like SA, Tunisia, Cape Verde e.t c with the highest HDI and incomes in Africa, yet Kenya is ahead of them with at least 25% of internet surfing population percentages? That is too bogus, unfounded and baseless. Come on, Nobody would believe that. In an overwhemingly rural country like Kenya?

Joonana:
Osibanjo said 110 million Nigerians are living in poverty.. what percentage of the population is that? do they form part of the middle class?

Is Osibanjo the president of the central bank or the minister of finance? He just said what he said to make the Nigerian govt sit up because our people deserve better, nothing else.
Tell him to give you any facts or documents to prove his assertion. Cos all available facts seem to betray that.

Muafrika2:
Alone, maybe not, but if they joined forces with the Banganda and another majority. This happens even now in Nigeria. Fulanis can't win alone.

They need an alliance with Yorubas etc. Kikuyus right now are in power in kenya coz they joined forces with the Kalenjin. They can't do it alone.

But, with control of local resources by ethnic groups, it could work.

If the Hausa-fulanis and Yoruba form an alliance in Nigeria, that is already about half or more of the country's population.
Igbo and Hausa-fulanis have had alliances in the past.
Igbos, Yorubas and most minority groups had to team up against Hausa-fulanis in 2015 to elect Goodluck as president.
There will always be change of alliances. No alliance would be stable.

Now, in a united west Africa per say, up to 4 or 5 large groups would have to unite in order to have half of the country's population or at least a strong force to reckon with. Now, how easy do you think it would be? People will begin to loose ethnic interests because the new nation would be far bigger than ethnic groupings..

Also, if there is decentralization of power, people would mostly only be interested in their states and not the central governments.
This is similar to what you have in India!

JiggamanGh:
Liar 46% of Ghanaians are considered as middle class while only 11% of Nigerians are considered as middle class. The vast majority are poor who lives on a $ a day. Nigeria India and bangladesh accounts for half the world poor.

http://africanbusinessmagazine.com/region/continental/how-big-really-is-africas-middle-class/

https://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/defining-africas-middle-class-a-ghanaian-perspective/

Ghana has 46% middle class population, yet only 23% of the population has an access to the internet, while 50% of Nigerians have access to the internet. Who is the fool here?

Look at this Nigerian movie below, this movie made millions from Nigerian blockbuster alone (the highest in African entertainment industry). Now, if 88% of Nigerians are poor as u claim, where did the people who watch the movie in the cinemas come from? Or do people living below the poverty line have access to cinemas??
Why is it that most Ghanaians enjoy making a fool of themselves publicly??

O0XYGEN:
See mumu.
When the same western index said your useless filthy underdeveloped country has a higher GDP y didn't u fools dispute that ?
It favors u so it's ok but when it doesn't favour u , u claim it's useless.
Ghana is far far better than nigeria that's why u fools are trooping to Ghana like refugees.

The only index Nigerians usually brag about is our GDP and we calculate our GDP ourselves and present it to the world bank and IMF for confirmation.
U idiot, are you the one who evaluates your HDI?

monkey, Chinese and Lebanese are all over Ghana, but it doesn't make Ghana better than China or Lebanon.
Nigerians are trooping all over the world not just Ghana, we are in Niger republic too, does that make Niger republic better than Nigeria?
Compound stupidity!

iblawi:
Market size, policies, security and others are enough to push Ethiopia above Kenya. In terms of technology and industries Ethiopians too are growing (if not above Kenya already). The also build some military ware on a low key.

Ok i get

MtuMsuper:
Nigeria internet users is larger than the population of the UK. What of percentages? Isnt that what counts?
Check this link to clear any doubts. From the worlds best trusted site on internet usage across countries, and its as recent as march 2017, so it carries faaaaar faaaar more weight than wikipedia.: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm

I am talking about percentages and not just numbers.
97 million Nigerians is about or slightly greater than 50% of Nigeria's population.
Only South Africa was ahead of Nigeria in the ranking based on percentage!
It seems like you do not know how to use wikipedia, did you not check the reference source of the wiki page? It was directly from ITU (also a world statistical agency).

So you possibly believe your Kenyan ranking of 77% and being the African country with the highest internet usage percentage? Even ahead of South Africa with such a gap?
I think they were probably counting Mpesa banking as access to the internet. If not, there is no way Kenya can beat Nigeria, SA and Tunisia with such a large margin.

MPSA:
Man ! You can't claim the 'Giant' with MAKOKO, Do something about Makoko and Lagos in general, I will declare you as a 'Giant of Africa' for now go and play with others

Makoko (the only slum in Lagos state) with a population of less than 200k people, in a state of 21 million people.
That is <1% of the state's population.

What abt Alexandria in SA? Or you think we don't know the numerous slums in SA abi?

Muafrika2:
Don't forget that the president would have to come from one ethnic group, and all appointments, contracts, development.

Of court there will be team ups of two or more tribes. The rest will have nothing left when the privileged few finish allocating themselves public resources.

There will be rivalries no different than now, because being in our designated countries has created a unique identity other than our previous tribal ones.

The issues won't be as bad as they were, pls i disagree.
Use your own Kenya for example, the way Kikuyus are dominating Kenya, if it were to be a united East Africa (including Horn Africa) they would just be about 3% of the population. They will be as good as minorities. How can a minority group really dominate the affairs of a country? It would be almost impossible.

Also, such countries will operate a loosed federation system where different states will have rescource control.

What usually causes problems in multi ethnic African nations are the egos attached in being a majority group.

Joonana:
Ghana is ahead of Nigeria and other countries in the sub region in terms of progress (maybe except cape Verde). But then Ghana is a developing country too

If Ghana is so advanced.
Pls can you guys explain to the world how come only 23% of Ghanaians have access to the internet?
While Nigeria and Kenya has almost 50% of her citizens as active internet subscribers?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

Joonana:
Ghana is ahead of Nigeria and other countries in the sub region in terms of progress (maybe except cape Verde). But then Ghana is a developing country too

HDI is not an exclusive measurement of progress of a nation. If it was, Cape Verde should be the most advanced and powerful nation in West Africa!
If it was Norway (with the highest Human development index in the world) would have been the world super power and not USA!
How hard is this for Ghanaians to grasp?

iblawi:
I already posted thing long before now. Ethiopia has taken over from Kenya in terms of largest economy in East Africa already and still have a more promising further.

Are you sure?
Kenya still has the greater influence though.

O0XYGEN:
Oh God .
Stop quoting me ok.
You are too dumb for my liking.
What is the essence of having a billionaire and at the same time having over 80% of your populace living in abject poverty?
What's the sense in that?
nigeria doesn't even control 1% of Ghana's economy so shut up there.
Ignorant slowpoke.
Do you fools even control your own country?
The Chinese, lebanese n south Africans are controlling nigerians economy while you dumbass morons are making noise on social media.
Don't quote me again
You are too dumb

Idiot dig this

Nowenuse:
According to International Telecomunication union (ITU)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

Nigeria has the 2nd highest percentage population of Africans connected to the Internet with 47% (86 million) of the population followed by Kenya with 46% while that useless Ghana of a country comes at 23% (even with their stable 24 hrs electricity).

You see, when people ask, how is the huge Nigerian GDP affecting the ordinary Nigerian. I just see them as plain being stupid.

Nigeria currently has the highest or among the highest middle class percentage population in SubSaharan Africa, unlike countries like Ghana where you just have the rich and the poor alone.

ITU's statistics is likely outdated or debateable because as of last year, 97 million (50% or above) Nigerians were estimated to have access to the internet and were active internet subscribers.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/192485-nigeria-internet-users-increase-to-97-million-ncc.html

We all know that it takes at least a middle class citizen in Africa to be an active internet subscriber. This tells us the huge population, power and percentage of Nigeria's middle class citizens.

Joonana:
Your GDP thing you talk about is not a western index huh? Okay .. just take osibanjo measure of your GDP being 90trillion naira. Convert that to USD and see what your GDP is since you can't rely on any western index

We calcate our GDPs ourself and present it to the world bank and IMF for confirmation. That is the difference!

Osibanjo is not the minister of finance nor the president of central bank of Nigeria.

Joonana:
Kenya is about twice the population of Ghana. However, Ghana leads Kenya in terms of development ..

In what development? Kenya's tourism sector is among the most advanced on the continent. They dominate the East African market almost unchallenged.

Nairobi city is a functional economic centre unlike your own Accra city that has no GDP and lacks economic viability.

Muafrika2:
It would be good in terms of bargaining power on the international stage but it terms of politics, it would be hell. I think that's also the greatest mistake regional bodies like ECOWAS, EAC, SADCC, etc are making, working toward a political union. We only need cooperation, not unity per se.

How do you mean it would be hell politically?

I myself feel it would be better politically because it will reduce the over familiarities that have hitherto existed internally among the nations.

Take for example Nigeria, if West Africa becomes a single nation, there would be no Hausa vs Igbo vs Yoruba feuds or contest of superiority again because the new country is now bigger than the 3 of them! They would have newer and more numerous ethnic groups with better rescources and another level of thinking to compete with and in such a country, no ethnic group would be more than 10% of the population, thereby greatly enliminating anything like ethnic superiority.

uzzyfire:
wait how is Kenya the economic powerhouse of Nigeria

loooolll Ghana no even get mouth were Kenya dey

Oh my gosh! I mean EAST Africa. Let me correct it.

O0XYGEN:
You see how foolish you sound.
Provide any index where kenya is ranked ahead of Ghana

Provide any index where Ghana, Nigeria or Kenya is ranked ahead of Cape Verde..... hahaha, fool who keeps relying on western indexes.

According to International Telecomunication union (ITU)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

Nigeria has the 2nd highest percentage population of Africans connected to the Internet with 47% (86 million) of the population followed by Kenya with 46% while that useless Ghana of a country comes at 23% (even with their stable 24 hrs electricity).

You see, when people ask, how is the huge Nigerian GDP affecting the ordinary Nigerian. I just see them as plain being stupid.

Nigeria currently has the highest or among the highest middle class percentage population in SubSaharan Africa, unlike countries like Ghana where you just have the rich and the poor alone.

ITU's statistics is likely outdated or debateable because as of last year, 97 million (50% or above) Nigerians were estimated to have access to the internet and were active internet subscribers.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/192485-nigeria-internet-users-increase-to-97-million-ncc.html

We all know that it takes at least a middle class citizen in Africa to be an active internet subscriber. This tells us the huge population, power and percentage of Nigeria's middle class citizens.

Joonana:
Kenya is about twice the population of Ghana. However, Ghana leads Kenya in terms of development ..

Your Ghana can never compare Kenya, how dare you?

Kenya is the economic powerhouse of East Africa. I myself have even admitted it here before that Kenya has more appealing and aesthetically pleasing infrastructures than Nigeria.
I ca never say that for ordinary small Ghana!

O0XYGEN:
You are not making any sense so shut up.
You are not even ashamed to say you provide us with the gas to generate electricity in Ghana whilst you guys can't even afford to get 1 hour uninterrupted power supply in a week?
Are you not ashamed.
And what investment are you talking about.?
Why didn't you guys invest in Niger,Chad,Cameroon, Togo,Benin but came all the way to Ghana to invest?
Are those countries not closer to nigeria than Ghana?
If you get the chance to invest in either Haiti and USA, where will you choose?
You will obviously choose USA because u think its better.
You idiots are investing in Ghana because Ghana is far better that that zoo called nigeria.
It's no hidden truth.
All indexes clearly shows that.

Other neighbouring countries to Nigeria are french speaking. We do not speak french, so language barrier.

Hope u know that the largest cement factory in East Africa, currently dominating the East African market belongs to a Nigerian? Nigerian banks are in East Africa already.
We are gradually extending to East Africa. Didn't you ask your foolish self why not Central Africa or North Africa?

LANGUAGE BARRIERS is the main answer.

Face it Chali, Nigerians are the movers and shakers of your economy.

darfay:
Those Ghanaians are just plain stupid. I think Kenya is even a million times better than ghana even though their population gap is not much talk more of naija mtcheeew

Exactly, Kenya is much more an economic threat to Nigeria and not ordinary Ghana.

shervydman:
Guy,there's a proverb that says a rich man in the midst of 10 poor men is also poor.......Africa has a lot of rich nations but more poorer ones(forgive my statement),so the world will forever see us as an underdeveloped continent.take Nigeria for examples,we have the largest number of millionaires in Africa but the world still see us as poor.

and as a rule of thumb.....we should embrace ourselves for a collective development.

Very true

MtuMsuper:
OMG!!!!!!¡
Why is no one challenging this guy?!!!
You did a very poor google search and lifted figures from the site of a new york city public authority. You would have buttressed your point if you would have shown there was no year on year growth. I think if i was to believe your figures, a growth from 700 bn$ to 1 trn $ is still growth. Again use the term Gross State Product(GSP).
You make a stupido claim that Lagos GSP DOUBLES every 2.5 years! Every 2.5 years!!!! Liar!

Let me teach YOU Math. If we were to take growth as compounded growth year on year to calculate the length of time it takes an economy to grow(and indeed this is what economists use), then that would mean that Lagos GSP growth is 31.9 % . We all know this is false!!! It would have been all over global financial news . You just plucked figures from the sky, and now you're going around chest thumping them. Someone earlier in this same thread showed how reported growth by Abuja is trashed by sound economic analysis based on the actual(read black market rate). In other words , a country with a weak currency that wildly fluctuates cannot possibly claim to be.able to calculate any economic matric with accuracy. I pray for the naira though, am not happy at the way african currencies are always at the mercy of stronger ones. Oga, speaking loudly doesn't make you right, it just makes you loud.
Likewise your claim that NY GSP increased from 700 bn to 1 trn , using the same formula gives us a annual GDP growth rate of 28% for NY city. Again a lie!! This would certainly been all over CNN, coz as we all know NY city is the financial capital of the world. In fact year on year growth rarely exceeds 2%, even 5 year growth rates are still in single digit percentages. ( http://www.deptofnumbers.com/gdp/new-york/)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183815/gdp-of-the-new-york-metro-area/

Ask me, i can recommend you a very good math book.

Okay, am not sure about my fellow compatriot's statistics. However, i want you to do the measurement for yourself.
In 2007, Lagos state economy was estimated at about $30 billion, 8 years later (in 2015), the economy quadrupled to about $135 billion.

It came down this year to about $100 billion due to economic recession. But we are now out of recession and have started growing.

broill33r:
from those pics naija looks unpleasant , humid and polluted . also no sense of architectural maturity, do you even have architects in Nigeria?
nigeria cant even compare to countries like rwanda ,tanzania ,ethiopia, north sudan and zimbabwe let alone kenya
its no where near countries like Botswana,Mauritius, angola, south africa , morroco ,egypt ,algeria
dont let a giant population delude you , we can see right through the giant ego.

Okay, with all the best architecture, why are most of those countries poorer than us?

It is the height of stupidity to compare countries like Botswana or Mauritius (with few millions of people) to Nigeria. It's akin to comparing Norway to USA.

TayserMahiri:
Hey am Kenyan Oga, Habari gani? I was surprised the Dutchmen setlled in SOuth Africa that early. That was too early, they should have some manners!

South African weather was friendlier to them.

Didn't u see how the French settled and wanted to take over Algeria? If not for the Algerian revolution, Algeria would have been an extension of France by now.

The deed has already been done. Black South Africans have no option than to try and keep working hard, with time they will create a wealth of their own and probably overtake the whites. But it will take a long time.

It's a good thing to see that many Sub saharan countries are making progress e.g Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa e.t.c but there are many more African countries whose future appears very bleak and if we do not continue to develop together uniformly, those that are developing better will always continue to bear the burden of those that are not developing.

See Nigeria, there are millions of Nigeriens in Nigeria and the worst part of it is that most Nigeriens in Nigeria are either here to beg on the streets or engage in the most menial jobs anyone can think of. Now, the more Naija develops, the more these people troop into Nigeria and create pressure on our scarce infrastructures, amenities and rescources.

See what SA is facing with almost 10 million immigrants. Kenya is like the safest haven in east Africa for war torn nations' immigrants.

If African nations were larger or we were one or somehow united. This would have drastically reduced the chances of political instability which is seriously bedevilling Africa's development.

See India, the world sees India better than Africa today and India is not necessarily richer or better than Africa, but just that India is one nation, so the chances of political instabilities across the region is very rear.

It would have been fabulous if Sub saharan Africa was basically divided into 4 nations, West Africa, East Africa, Central Africa and Southern Africa.

What do you guys think??

shervydman:
Yeah.....it has an advantage but its disadvantages are also colossal,for example,look at the literacy level,do u think only half of d population are literates?I know of 3 states that produces at least a professor in every family(its like competition over there)now,consider UAE once again,a country of less than 50years with 0% of people living below poverty line,even their 'per capital' is about $70,000....can that be said of USA with over 400years?

Exactly, these are the ills of a large population.

This is why Canada and many European nations will always have a better HDMI than USA, even though the per capital incomes are about equal.

arinzeejikonye:
Yea,if we can reconstitute,and reconfigure the econonic structures into a true fiscal federalism,we would quadriple our economic growth,defragramentation /conflagration is the fears of some oppossing the calls for restructuring,as they see that as a leeway for seccession of some groups. Maladmisnistrations and corruptions of the past coupled with ethno-religious carnage delt nigeria a big blow,the future is here,we got to ironout some of these fundamental issues hampering our economic boom.

U are very correct.
It may be very difficult for us to operate on fiscal federalism as it stands. It will be very difficult for us to agree to a concensus and we are not yet mature enough for it.
It will take us some good time for us to catch up if we switch governing systems, just as the abolition of regionalism and proliferation of states has taken us time to catch up.
However, i support this though.

But while we wait for fiscal federalism to come, we must know that to a large extent, our states have some level of Autonomy and power. States like Lagos, Rivers, Anambra, Akwa Ibom, Gombe e.t.c have shown us how powerful, financially buoyant and infrastructurally developed a state can be on it's own independent of the Federal govt.
Gombe state is a non oil producing state in the core-north of Nigeria, but this state has some of the best schools and infrastructures in Nigeria (for it's small population). How did the governor do it? How did Cross river state turn herself to the tourism capital of Nigeria?
Why are many other states not harnessing their potentials? These are questions we should be asking ourselves.
I think Nigerians are fond of demanding and depending on the Federal govt too much.

shervydman:
I'll like to know more about this.......I really love African development,can u share a link or something?help a curious brother.

You can google them.

PissedYagami:
Tatu City , Konza technocity Kenya

I have seen the rendition and plan of Tatu city. It is nowhere near the league of Eko atlantic and Centenary city.
Konza techno city however is the city i can say is on the same league with Eko atlantic and Centenary city, but however both cities beat Konza techno city in beauty. You can do the comparison for yourself.

You should try comparing Tatu city with Port harcourt's rainbow town and Lagos' Orange island (which has started being built). Check them out and see.

Kano, Kaduna and Ibadan also have master city plans, but i'd say they are in a lower league. You also have Anambra airport city which has started.
Oh, i almost forgot Enugu state is building her own Centenary city too (which quite smaller though) and lastly Lagos smart city which has been comissioned and awarded already.

Hope you can see the reasons why you can only compare Nigeria to East Africa and not Kenya??

uzzyfire:
eko Pearl towers

Eko atlantic city would be the wonder of Africa no doubt.
It will transform Lagos to a world class city.

Perhaps only Abuja centenary city can compete Eko atlantic in the future.

You see the problem with the Federal govt and being too slow. Eko atlantic has started already started while Centenary city is still about to fully start.
arinzeejikonye, have you guys heard anything about centenary city lately?