₦airaland Forum

Obi1kenobi:
The people who own just 9% of the JSE stock despite being over 80% of the population did not build South Africa. The lack of progress of black South Africans is glaring. Don't kid yourself. We're united by the failure of the black race and you're just another story in that failure. Massive unemployment, massive income inequality, world-renowned urban violent crime, HIV etc have ravaged your communities. You just get to walk around in prettier cities.

Very correct bro.
See where majority of Black South Africans live and they still have the guts here to come and brag.

Jayceon:
you listed well known cities in SA

ZarZar.

Why does South African cities still have larger terrible slums than Nigeria?
There is only 1 slum in Lagos state [(of 21 million people) and much of it has been demolished].

While South African cities with smaller populations have more slums. What an embarasment!

ZarZar:
You compare yourselves to us ALL THE DAMN TIME. Any list where SA leads, someone here will bitch & moan. Think about that next time you start one of your cóck measuring contests with your elders, lad South Africa didn't build itself! South Africans built South Africa, which doesn't excuse you for your lack of progress in that department. You're not some new set of humans on this planet. You were here too. So what's your excuse?

LMFAO @ being more mentally & intellectually developed. Coulda fooled me! So how come you braniacs are still lagging behind in almost everything? Put your (non-existing) thinking hats & get to work then instead of making baseless claims.

Lagging behind who? Zulus or Kenyans? People who still dance and play nakedd ? I think i'll pass.

Obi1kenobi:
Stop posting racist stuff like that. Sounds like the stuff white supremacists say. "More mentally and intellectually developed"? Are you kidding?

LoL, but nor be lie na.

Ok, let me rephrase. We have made more intellectual and human progress. Better?

ZarZar:
Who cares if they do? It's not exactly a quantum leap but I guess for them it is

We've been doing the same thing in East London for ages at Daimlerchrysler.

What are the names of these car companies?
Can you show us the finished samples?
How many of these car companies are owned by Black South Africans?

ZarZar:
Lol, that's funny because you all were celebrating a painting done by a white woman on one of your bridges in Lagoose. You claimed she was a Nigerian, simply because she married one & you were all so proud of HER work. White South Africans have been here since the 1600s, they're no newcomers, take note! So any contribution they make to beautify the scenery, we're claiming it too. Just like you claimed a mere painting as
your own when you didn't even lift a finger to create. FYI, South Africans WORKED TOGETHER to make the country what it is. Everything that you see today has the fingerprints of a black man all over it. We laid EVERY brick & shovelled EVERY grain of sand with our own two hands

Pls stop bringing irrelevant analogies here. South Africa started building itself as a country hundred years before Nigeria. South Africa should be comparing with Brazil, Mexico, USA e.t.c, not with countries like Nigeria that are barely 50 years old.

Nigerians are more mentally and intellectually developed than the entire Black Southern Africa put together. We lead the Black African race.

forgiveness:
What do you mean by 'Kenya cities have better infrastructures..'?

The developed parts of Kenyan cities have better infrastructures than the developed parts of Nigerian cities.
Just that Kenyan cities develop only some parts of their cities and leave their slums and suburban areas in terrible conditions. While Nigerian cities on the other hand tend to carry everyone along and develop everywhere equally (that's my point).

Jayceon:
very beautiful,thanx for this one.South Africa is beautiful thank god I was born here,otherwise I wouldn't know what to do with myself LOL

ZarZar:
Kikikiki.

You'd probably be on NL hatin'

More from EL. Woot!

Well it's so sad that while the whites were building all these wonderful infrastructures, you blacks were dancing nakedd all over and till date you are still dancing nakedd while Nigerians are manufacturing Cars.

Just30:
you don't know the size of the Ghanaian economy ,so just talking.
Your can worry about the next time you will get your 2hours shift of electricity supply

The world knows the size of your tiny economy, unless u have your own figures you want to pull out from your ass

Meanwhile, you too should worry about the Witch camps all over your country... Who even knows if your family members might be there?
Nigerian women are winning miss world while your women are being concentrated in witch camps all over your tiny filthy country.
Nigerians are manufacturing cars with our poor power supply while you primitives are still chasing witches in the 21st century!

uzzyfire:
how often does Jo's have hailstorms ? does it get very hot

It depends. Sometimes regularly during cold season, sometimes seldomly.
It does get hot during the hot season, but not like other northern cities. It never exceeds 33° like most southern cities, but the nights will still be cool (17-21°), no matter how hot the day is.

uzzyfire:
seriously?

Of course. Have u ever been to Jos? Many youth corpers die in Jos yearly because of the cold, but they are now given better orientation.
Dec- Feb and sometimes Nov and March, Jos regularly falls to 1 digit temp, as low as even 4°c during nights and mornings.

We have to boil water to wash plates, clothes and brush our teeth. We are on handgloves, stockings, many clothes and thick sweaters always during this period.

You can stay days without bathing and still look fresh.
You can leave raw meat outside for days and it still won't spoil.

uzzyfire:
I didn't know PH was cold

PH is not very cold, but it is hardly very hot. Hardly do temperatures exceed 28° in PH. It is usually 19-25°c most times.

Just30:
it's worth more than that and there's no need to talk.

Yet your economy is so bleeping small.

TayserMahiri:
I knew this would follow promptly. I hope you know that what usually results are nigerian cities looking like big slums. Thats why Nigeria is not very attractive to foreign companies. They just google one image of Lagos and what comes up is an ugly city and they conclude its hell there. Dude, don't get pissed by nairobi. Its so sad when you get pissed because the city looks awesome

I'm not pissed with Nairobi. Nairobi is actually a beautiful place.
My only problem with Kenya is that your govt does not carry everyone along (and you guys will always keep paying the price).
Human development is better than infrastructural development.
You may have the infrastructures that bring in the foreigners and the rich kenyans to enjoy themselves, but of what use is this when half of the city's population are living below the poverty line in slums and are unproductive? The slums even have more visiting foreigners (NGOs) than the main city. Is this not a huge embarassment to the city?

Just30:
check out the every single Ghanaian, has a Kente in his closet and it's worn occasionally.

Well then, when your Kente fashion industry is worth billions of dollars, we can talk.
I get am nor be for mouth.

gallivant:
Naija cities can borrow a leaf and some grass.

Nigerian cities are very different and some are more green than any Kenyan city you can think of.

Eastwalk:
Never take them serious same way they are comparing Nairobi with 696km2 with larger percentage of slums with Lagos with 3,577km2 with lesser number of slums. With higher population and dynamic economy, those guys are subjective thinkers, only look at one side of a matter, the side that suit their unrealistic egos

Apart from Makoko in Lagos, nowhere else in the entire Lagos state is a full blown slum. Don't let anyone deceive you. Agege, Mushin, Ajegunle, Bariga e.t.c which people call slums are not slums. They are just very low income areas.
If you want to see what slums look like, google Kenyan slums.
Majority of the residents and areas of low income parts of Lagos state have some levels of sanitation, running tap water, septic tanks, tarred roads e.t.c. You cannot find that in a full blown slum like those in Kenya.

Muafrika2:
Your point is noted, you believe South African Music is better than East African Music? And Nigerian is better than South African ? How old are you? You needed to post all those videos and questions just to make this point?

I think Naija Music is vain. Just run with a nonsensical one liner and you have a Nigerian hit Gospel artists are carrying most of the weight to bring your music to recognition.


See how easy that was for me? Hope I taught you something today

Are you ok? Where did i ever say SA music was better than East African music? I actually love East African music more than South African music.
All i said was that South African music seems to be penetrating Nigeria more than East African! And this is true. SA artistes have more recognition than EA artistes and that is why i was complaining on the need for EA to have one music market in order to be able to match SA and Nigerian market!

TayserMahiri:
Could be the case but do not conclude so fast. Kenya now has an opportunity to grow other cities due to the County Governments. Even then, Nairobi will continue to overshadow all Naija cities.

Do your counties have administrative capital cities?
If they do, i think 46 administrative govts is too much for Kenya's population. You guys may not be able to make the most of it. The county govts will find it difficult to be financially independent of the central govt.

Take for example like Nigeria, when we had only 12 states from 1967-1976, we were doing extremely better and most states were economically viable and developed their capital cities very well (with a healthy competition). When the states proliferated (yes, it drastically increased urbanization of our country, but the states were no longer viable and depended largely on the centre).
Just few years ago did Nigerian states start functionning well and working on economic viability. Many states still haven't been able to recover.

Eastwalk:
Akure city

Akure fine sha o. The governor really tried.

TayserMahiri:
Nairobi alone attracts more multinational companies than Lagos and Abuja Combined. And am sure even if we add all other Naija cities, nairobi would still trounce them

This is probably because Nairobi has a better touristic appeal. You guys are far better than Nigeria in tourism.

But at the end of the day, tourism money cannot match manufacturing, banking, financial and entertainment money (especially when all are combined in a place like Lagos).

Another thing with you guys is that you only develop some parts of Nairobi with the best and most expensive infrastructure and you leave large parts of the city to rot away. So, anyone who visits the rich parts of Nairobi will conclude that Nairobi is world class, not until they see the large eye-sore of the city.
Lagos on the other hand is now a massive urban area (in one state Lagos state) and the state govt tries to develop the entire state equally and not just Lagos city alone (hence dividing the infrastructural spread).

However at the end of the day you see Lagos having the advantage because 21 million people equally carried along equally contribute to the economic advancement of the city (making Lagos richer than the entire Kenya) while Nairobi is just there welcoming white people while half of the city's population in the slums are in gruelling poverty and hopelesness.

TayserMahiri:
Nigeria is like a big unkempt ugly house, Kenya is a smaller sleek one.

No bro. Nigeria is a larger country developing dozens of cities at the same time while Kenya is a country developing few cities at the same time.
So, in the long run we will have the advantage because we will have more world class cities while we develop while you guys will have only a few. (Just like USA and South Korea comparison).

Muafrika2:
That's the advantage of a big population. Its a ready market.

Yes.
However SA does not have a big population but their market is more influential than East Africa combined in Africa. (i guess their wealth is the reason). And maybe because they team up more with Nigerians.

East Africa must have a united industry if not you guys may never match Nigerian and South African influence on the continent.
Many Nigerians today find it easier to love and watch South African music, but East Africa is like a no go area. We still somehow look down on your industry.

Shaytun:
Comparing Nigeria and South-africa? Maybe.
But Nigeria and kenya, they are just not comparable, It's Like trying to compare America with Singapore.

Only Lagos and Abuja can compare South African cities. They have the best infrastructures (thanks to the early builders). They started building cities earlier. We can only compare them in money and industries, but never infrastructure.

But with time u see, we may catch up SA and surpass them because we are building dozens of cities at the same time while they are building only few.

So, they will end up like Japan (with only Tokyo, Osaka and few others) while we will end up like USA (with New york, Miami, Los Angeles, San francisco, Atlanta, Philadelphia, San Diego, Dallas, Houston, Chicago and dozens of world class cities).

Fidha254:
Nairobi coldest season usuall gets low to 16-18 degrees.... Worst case is 14 and a very case of 12....

But in the greater highlands not that far from Nairobi, that's another case, we used to live in one of those places, we had to store water in tanks early in advance, during winter, piped water used to freeze in the pipes , sometimes it used to get minus 4, if you put a metal cup filled with water outside, the water would freeze after an hour or less

Wow, the lowest Nigeria has seen is 2°c. But such temperatures usually occur at nights and cover entire cities/states and not just highlands. Northern Nigeria is rapidly desertifying (hence getting hotter at day and colder at nights).
If we don't fight the desertification, we would start seeing below freezing temps soom.

TayserMahiri:
Ali Kiba is my top singer from Bongo. Nagharamia means "I'm catering for it" while Aje means "Let her come". Gabu and Frasha have been singing for quite some time as group P Unit. They sing club bangers.

I love many East African songs. Your musics are better than Southern African musics but South African music still penetrates the Nigerian market far far more than yours and i wonder why (i guess the swahili lang may be a reason though).

I think until East African music merges as one, u guys may not be able to compete with Nigerian and South African music industry, cos with our large markets, our artistes will always be richer and more influential than yours even though you guys are talented.
Although i must say Tanzania is really really trying!

Muafrika2:
Yep, that's Tz. They mostly speak Swahili. Its Kenyans who mix the two languages alot.

Like many other Swahili songs, they are sang TO jealous people, gossipers etc. They are saying "let them talk, they are like the croaking of frogs in a water hole" (You do not ever want to have a bitter exchange of words with a Swahili )

Ok thanks, i see. East Africa has great and sweet musics. The only issue here is probably the smallness of your music markets.
There are some East African songs i hear and i think they are far better than many Nigerian songs, but at the end of the day you see that the song does not penetrate Africa as such. It seems like West and Southern Africa hardly connect to East African songs (except featured).

Only few East African singers like Vanessa Mdee, Diamond and Sauti sol have been able to gain some level of acceptance here in west africa.

TayserMahiri:
1. Lagos Vs Nairobi ? Nairobi dwarfs Lagos
2. Abuja Vs Mombasa ? Second largest port on the continent as at 2016, with all its tourism infrastructure beats Naijas FCT
3. PH Vs Kisumu ? Stop the jokes.
4. Ibadan Vs Nakuru ? Ibadan na Old Lady, Nakuru will whip her.
4. Calabar Vs Eldoret ? We can start the argument here

We should probably start at number 1 anyway. With pictures please. Not words. So lets go

There is no need comparing Nigerian and Kenyan cities. I think they are unique in their own way.

Nigeria and Kenya does not have the same population, so Nigerian cities naturally tend to be richer, larger and more populated.

Kenyan cities on the other hand seem to have better infrastructure (but very small and has lots of slums/underdeveloped areas).
The welfare margin Of Kenyan cities are higher. However, the developed parts have excellent tourist infrastructures.

nyangau123:
though some areas can get pretty cold in kenya, in some parts especially in high altitudes temperatures can drop to single digits
kinangop town has been often nicknamed snow land due to frequent snow like hail, which are smaller in size than hail found in other parts of kenya


https://www.kenyamoja.com/sites/default/files/pictures/snowinkinangop3.jpg
https://www.kenyamoja.com/sites/default/files/pictures/snowinkinangop2.jpg
https://nairobiwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/sn1.jpg
https://kenyabwala.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10985243_10205982078330515_801202031694513420_n.jpg
https://kenyabwala.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10551065_10205982081650598_5779081142862028689_n.jpg
https://nairobiwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/sn2.jpg
https://cdn.greenpacks.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hailstorm-kenya.jpg
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2013/09/12/829632.png?itok=qvP8AlN2

So u mean it snows in Kenya?

Eastwalk:
Honestly am impressed with the pictures of kericho, good to know Kenya is not developing few cities, but you know what The 26th biggest city in ni is far infrastructurally advanced than kericho. Here's is the 26th biggest just to make sure, I mean Calabar , before I start posting pictures

Calabar is not less than 500,000 people now. How can you be using census of 2006 to speak for Nigeria? 11 years after?

TayserMahiri:
Are you from Jos?

Am the one from Jos

TayserMahiri:
Kelele za chura means "noises from the frogs". Its used to mean you can't stop me/us from ur noises. A famous saying is "kelele za chura hazimzuii tembo kunywa maji" i.e Noises from the frogs don't stop elephants from taking water. I love the song btw

Ok, thank you.

What about these songs by Alikiba? I love Alikiba's songs so much but u hardly hear him sing English.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlCNsPN91s0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecywDEswXsI

In Kenyan music, i think Sauti sol is the best (outside Kenya, in Nigeria), but there is this Kenyan song by Gabu X Frasha, i really love. Here is it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaibZtAvVvg

It seems like these guys (Gabu & frasha) are new singers, cos they don't have many online songs. Can u tell me about them and the meaning of the song?