₦airaland Forum

obaaderemi:
That coup wasn't like a political campaign where people got to give their support or not.We only got to hear about it after it had taken place and failed.Many nigerian except the core northerners were heartbroken because it failed.Those guys were already inside dodan barracks.The disunity is too much.Even the xtian midbelt align with the north during elections only to be used and discarded like a woman of easy virtue.

Yes it was not a public campaign, but are you not aware of the public speech that was given by Gideon Orkar when he called on Middlebelters and Southernerns to arise and unite as one people? Do you want me to paste it here? It is all over the internet, pls google it and see!

You yorubas unite with the core-north more than Xtian middlebelt and that is a fact!

In 2011 elections, FCT and 7 states of the middlebelt/northern minorities voted for GEJ.
States like Kaduna and Plateau with the largest christian populations gave GEJ over 1 million votes each! No yoruba state gave GEJ up to 1 million votes in that election.

Even in 2015 election when only one yoruba state (Ekiti) gave GEJ their votes, 3 middlebelt states (Plateau, Nasarawa and Taraba) gave GEJ their votes while Kaduna state even gave more votes to GEJ than Ekiti votes for GEJ multiplied by 2. Kaduna votes for GEJ was even more than Abia state.
It was such a shame to see middlebelters supporting a southerner even more than the southernerns themselves.

Pls correct yourself.

obaaderemi:
An imaginary,but at the same time,very real chasm divides Nigeria into north and south.The north is firmly in the grip of muslim fulanis who got empowered politically by the british at the dawn of independence.They control the military and much more.Left unchecked,they wouldn't mind forcing sharia law down the throat of the whole country.But in spite of all this,the country soldiers on making it look as if Nigeria has a contract with God because like it or not nigeria remains prominent in Africa.

I really don't believe in a line dividing Nigerian Northern and Southern cos it doesn't exist.
What difference does the Benue man have from the Ebonyi man? What about the Kogi and Edo man? What about the Kwara and Oyo man?

LeSudAfricaine:
what I'm trying to bring to light is there's a reason you are harassed where ever you go., peruse that reason before attacking these host countries

There is also a reason why you xenophobeasts attack not only Nigerians, but Zimbabweans, Zambians, Mozambicans, Angolans and Somalis too!

fanficgirl:
LOOOL you think we are silent about the ones in India and Malaysia? . We are even worse with them. I'm looking at a video now where Nigerians are spewing pure vitriol at Indians. You are not exempt and we retaliate worse with Indians and Malaysians. When have you seen Indians talked about in a positive light here? We routinely talk about India being a shithole with backwards racist people, not nice but trust me, it isn't just you.

Seriously, believe me, my hatred for Indians have increased. Woe unto any Indian that comes my path in life.

fanficgirl:
Yes, the middlebelt isn't the prooblems, but the savages in areas like Borno . I agree, igbos and Yorubas are to blame for always attacking each other instead of working together to put the core North in their place. Core Northeners have exploited this

Exactly.

Core-northernerns are very wise. They have also succeeded in dividing the middlebelt with religion.

Maduawuchukwu:
The matter was very complicated. The truth is that the Nigerian Constitution only allows for Sharia in civil matters same with customary law. But the extremist section of the north forced their way. Obj could have stopped it but the crises would have threatened Nigeria and u know Obj carry Nigerian unity matter for head like Gala.

Yes, they forced their way, and the typical southerner who is always afraid of the Hausa-fulani gave in.

Even when OBJ allowed it, did that stop crisis from occuring? Not less than 5,000 lives were lost in Kaduna state because the Southern kaduna people could not allow Sharia in Kaduna state.

OBJ was still the commander of the military and the worst that would have happened was thay Core-northernerns would start attacking non indigenes. After that what next? Nothing.
That was the same way they attacked non indigenes post 2011 election and it was duly retaliated in many Southern and middlebelt areas. After all the southernerns and middlebelters have left their lands, what next? Would they declare seccession when they know that they are surviving on Southern rescources?

LeSudAfricaine:
well I've been a member of this forum since 2014, when I say you guys are forever comparing yourselves to us, I know exactly what I'm talking about! Yes your economy is big , but that's about it, it is like a Fiat with a Ferrari emblem. It's big, for the sake of being big it does nothung for the average Nigerian. Have your roads improved? your electricity issues? Infrasructure? Health care? You are too caught up with the title of being big not the substance.your economy is bigger than that of Botswana but Botswana has better living standards so your bragging is utterly useless

The problem Nigeria had was that a lot of responsibilities was handed to our state govts and this failed because our states were no longer viable after they had been over-proliferated.
However, some states have now began to work and yes healthcare, roads, electricity and infrastructure is now developing excellently is some states.

fanficgirl:
They def have a higher birthratee though

They have a higher death rate too of course.

fanficgirl:
True my brother, and they are in charge of the military. It will be a bloodbath for us.

And this is the problem of the average Southerner. Cowardice and a myopic point of view.

Northernerns are always ready to work on divide and rule principles to divide you southernerns, but you guys will never think of working to divide the north.

Do you think that the Hausa man and the Idoma or Igala man have 100% the same interests? Do you think that the Kanuri man and the Berom or Gbagyi man have 100% interests? Heck, even among the core-northernerns they have their differences. The fulani man does not even have 100% interests with the Kanuri man. You guys don't even know that Kanuri people despise and look down on Hausa people.

You guys are not just smart and that is the problem.

obaaderemi:
What about your own fathers?where did they belong?i believe you are from the middle belt.Rivalry between ibos and yorubas is just skindeep.we don't attack each other on the street and we actually collaborate to do what we can 4 nigeria.

My fore fathers in 1956 requested for the middlebelt to be granted an independent region from the North, check the willinks comission of 1956.
However, we were largely ignored because of course we were minority groups.
Did you not hear of the Tiv riots and Berom riots against Northern hegemony?
What about the middlebelt youth congress?

Yorubas and Igbos attacking each other is not the issue here. The issue is that you guys never unite to a common cause politically as a united Southern region.
You guys champion ethnic interests a lot.

[quote author=Maduawuchukwu post=55840117][/quote]So, are you trying to say OBJ and the federal govt absolutely had no power to stop the core-northern states from establishing sharia law as at that time?

LeSudAfricaine:
you guys compare yourselves to South Africa every time, it's a fact! Lol, why are we even talking about South Africa in a thread about Kenya? Yes you are big in population and mouth only. Your so called "competitors "India, Brazil and China are sadly with us at BRICS go figure!lol

The reason why Nigeria was not at the BRICS was simply because as at that time, Nigeria had not rebased it's economy, so South Africa was still the largest economy in Africa.
However, few years later, power changed hands and Nigeria took it's rightful place as the largest economy in Africa.
Very soon, we are going to rebase our economy again since we are now out of recession and making economic growth, so don't be shocked if we are worth over $1 trillion by then while your South Africa is still worth $300 billion

Just30:
why should I waste my time to write something that both of you can't read?
If you are so interested, you will watch YOLO

What is yolo by the way?
If i watch it, how will i be able to differentiate when native languages are spoken and when the switch to pidgin or english occurs (because even your english accents we are not used to and it may sound as native languages or your so called pidgin to us)

Face it chali. You guys have no pidgin english. What you do is mix standard english language with your native languages while speaking. It's just like me speaking english together with hausa and calling it pidgin.

fanficgirl:
Black SA did alot for themselves brother, don't belittle their achievements. Most didn't have electricity or running water during apartheid. When will Nigeria even have that?

Of course they could do a lot for themselves because they are now in control of the tax collected from white owned companies. They were also able to unite as one people with one cause. This is why you will never hear Zulus fighting Sothos or Xhosas fighting swazis.

A country where 80% of the population are racially united to a common cause will hardly have issues that will set them backwards unlike a place like Nigeria where it seems like everyone for himself. The whites already set a standard there which the blacks had to continue upon taking over govt.

uzzyfire:
that's becos there's nothing like Ghanaian pidgin, they just copied Nigerians finish, that's y they are scared of using it in their music and movies cos people will say they copied Nigerians looooll

Yes, it seems like it's true. because i wonder why Just30 would not want to write it here.
People write yoruba, igbo, hausa, swahili, french, spanish e.t.c on nairaland here, why can't he write it?

fanficgirl:
This na joke o, but what is the possibility South can annex North and kick Northerners back to Chad

You southernerns are infact the problem of Nigeria.
Did you remember, Gideon Orkar's coup in 1993?
Orkar was a middlebelter from Benue, he planned to take over power and cut off all the core-northernerns from Nigeria and merge them with Niger republic.

Orkar called and encouraged the unity of the South and Middlebelt. But how many Southernerns were bold enough to support him? Unfortunately he failed. Until yorubas and Igbos stop seeking their personal interests and unite as one with the middlebelt, nothing would change.

fanficgirl:
True, Botswana and Namibia have a way smaller population with diamonds, but we can learn from their growth and stable political structure. If you don't want to compare to countries older why don't we look at East Asian Countries that were in the same position as Nigeria and far surpass us. Abeg, which development is being spread out in Nigeria? All I see is sub par infrastructure with only a few good ones in the rich areas. Let's face us, many African countries are passing us. My friend just told me he gets more hours of stable electricity in Benin than he does in Nigeria.

Bigger nations have bigger problems my dear. If not for communism, believe me, China wouldn't have worked!
South Korea's development is largely America's handwork.

What about Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Phillipines, Thailand, Nepal, Bagladesh, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Mongolia, Sri lanka e.t.c?

Many of these countries are even homogenous Asian countries, some who gained independence before Nigeria, how many of them are better than Nigeria?

The colonial masters left us with a large and diverse population and very little infrastructure. At independence, how many places had electricity in Nigeria?

Have you also forgotten that we wasted many decades of Nigerian independence under military rule and civil war just because of the lack of leadership skills and disagreement of the 3 majority groups?

MtuMsuper:
Speaking of the north of Nigeria, explain something to me like am a 2 year old. Explain to me why within the same country Nigeria, there exists 2 legal codes: sharia and common law. If it is true that this happens,as it definitely is, how then can you call it one country, because my understanding of the definition of a country is that everywhere within it obeys one code.

A southerner was the cause. A southern president (Olusegun Obasanjo) allowed this to happen.

uzzyfire:
but northern Nigeria is blessed with so many things like mountains, hills, fertile land, and so many others. northern Nigeria is d heart of Nigeria's agricultural sector

Hahaha, thank God you guys still acknowledge this.

Almost all of you southernerns left farming and migrated to the cities to form posh and civilized.
If southern Nigeria were a country of it's own, the kind of food you guys would have been importing would have been unimaginable.
Do you know how many of your people have become millionaires because of the farming of we northernerns? Your people will buy foodstuffs from us at very cheap prices and end up selling it at exorbitant price in the south. If it were not to be for one Nigeria, would such have easily happened?

uzzyfire:
and d worst part is that northern Nigeria has d largest percentage of both population and land mass, so their backwardness is affecting Nigeria seriously

Don't take that serious. Northern and Southern Nigeria have equal populations. You guys keep believing the lies that the hausa-fulanis keep on dishing out to you.

obaaderemi:
Thank you.But these largely illiterate northerners are the ones in charge of political power in Nigeria.They were the ones who urged the British to stay on for so long and they got rewarded at the expense of the other tribes.It led to the civil war in 1967.So you see,the ones who should help the north have deliberately refused to do so.The guys engaging you here are the southerners.Any positive thing out of Nigeria is mainly through the effort of the southerners who had pulled up their region with their bootstraps.They have done a lot in building up the economy.

LoL. Point of correction, i am not a Southerner. I am from the middlebelt (North-central Nigeria).
It would be unfair for you to generalize the whole north as one monolithic entity when you know that we in the middlebelt are very quite different from the core-northernerns.

Check the literacy and poverty rates of Nigeria and you will see that we in the North-central are rapidly catching up with the South. Infact check the current youth literacy rates of Nigeria, you will see that North-central is now almost equal with the south.
In the entertainment industry of Nigeria, North-centralers are very much represented.
We are catching up with the South irrespective of the fact that education came to us 50 years later than the south. The people dragging Nigeria backwards are the core-northernerns. And until the entire south unites together with the willing North-centralers, we will never be able to bring the core-north out of their mess.

obaaderemi:
Your post shows you don't understand Nigeria's problem.The north of Nigeria is like somalia which will always reject any help or program to help it grow due to religious and traditional pride.Now,one of the greatest injustice the British did in Africa was to amalgamate these northerners with the southerners who have little in common with them.It didn't end there,the british handed over political power in Nigeria with the violent north and had helped them maintain it since them.That's what nowenuse meant.It's like kenya being yoked with somalia.It's an uneven yoke holding the country back.

I think you Southernerns have a large part of the blame to take!

Why did your fathers never question or pressured the British on your independence from the north?
Go and study the history of Indian independence and partitionning and see how Pakistani founding fathers did all they could to make sure Britain never granted independence to a united India. They made it clear to the British that they (the muslims) can never live in a united India with Hindu majority and the british accepted and divided India before independence.

See the way you yorubas and Igbos are embarassing yourselves today and always opposing each other, instead of you guys to work for a united south in order to place the North where they belong.

Jay254:
Slums in Nairobi only constitute 5% of the land size all info are online... Slums can not be seen easly in Nairobi unless you travel alot.. Most of Nairobians if you ask them have seen very few slums around the city. Ask a honest Nigerian in Kenya.

You cannot expect us to believe you when all available statistics online contradict your claims.

Nairobi's slums are reported to be the most numerous and largest on the continent and Nairobi is not that big in size, so how can you make anyone believe that they are only 5%?
What is the Gdp and Gdp per capital (nominal) of Nairobi pls?
From a source i saw online, the per capital income of Nairobi was below the national per capital income, butressing the fact that there is a large population of poor people in Nairobi.

MtuMsuper:
Have you ever travelled out of Nigeria?

Of course.

obaaderemi:
This still doesn't change the fact that switzerland has 4 official languages despite its size.And no,sir,you can't forget the French speaking part of the country because it's 25% of the population and doesn't like to speak german.So,at the end they all have to embrace english,a foreign tongue(England is considered non-continental in terms of Europe).In essence,the power and global reach of English is going to diminish the spread of any other/local language,i.e hausa,swahili,russian,etc.That's my drift if you had followed.I would prefer to stick to my yoruba but how would I be able to enjoy hollywood productions or the internet or great books without a fair grasp of English.Even Asia could not reject English.

Before English became the world language, French dominated a while and before french was latin.
My point is that Europe have always had a way out with their linguistic diversity. They are polyglots by nature and they naturally speak 2 or more languages.

Most swiss germans understand french and vice versa, same thing in Belgium btw the Flemish and walloonians. They will just choose not to speak another language apart from their mother's tongue or English because they feel their neighbours should speak their own language in their territory and not because they really do not understand the language. It's a thing of ego.

Just30:
they are the sources of most Ghanaian pidgin words.

How come we don't hear Ghanaian pidgin at all? Not in your musics.
Why don't you want to give examples here?

Many Nigerian pidgin words are from local Nigerian languages, but i can write them very well. So why can't you write Ghanaian pidgin here? I just don't get you

TayserMahiri:
Can't you detect contradictions in your own statements? You just negated the first bolded statement with your last. There is nothing like an even development when the northern half is worse than any East African country and possibly comparable to Somalia. Who neglected the northern nigerians if not for your government and society?

First of all, i'd like to correct you, not the whole Northern half of Nigeria is backwards, the middle parts of the North (where i am from) are almost as progressive as Southernerns ok? The problem is the far or core-northernerns who are overwhemingly muslim.

Look at the reason why i am not contradicting myself.

Core-northern Nigeria has equal opportunities with every other place in the country. Infact they dominate Nigeria's politics and have produced more political leaders.
The problem with them is the kind of islam they practice, like the kind you find in Somalia. The kind of islam that makes a large part of their population unprogressive.

Core northnerns have government schools as much as the south, but they really don't have that educational zeal. They cherish islamic education more than western education. They believe that women should still be kept in purdah (indoors). They believe in Sharia law. They believe in having many children (probably so that muslims will outnumber christians).

Core northerners even have more states than others, they receive large monthly allocations from the federal govt as well as other states. The problem is their priority. So they are not neglected in any way, they only have a culture that is not very much wealth generating.

fanficgirl:
Botswana, Namibia, SA, even Kenya better sef

Botswana and Namibia are extremely small countries of 2 million people each, with large land masses of abundant rescources, just like the population of Port harcourt only, covering the whole Nigerian landmass with all the natural rescources therein. They should even be comparing 1st world nations by now considering their tiny population and abundant rescources, so i really don't consider them succesful at all.

Comparing SA to Nigeria is quite unfair because SA is over 100 yrs older than Nigeria. They started building their country at the same time with countries like Brazil, Argentina, Chile e.t.c how can we ever equal them in infrastructural development? However, we equal them in human development and economic growth.

Kenya is not such a bad country, at least for a fairly populous black african country, they are not doing that bad. People like you feel Kenya is better than Nigeria probably because you don't understand the in and out of Kenya.
I myself used to think that Kenya is better than Nigeria, not until i discovered how they work. What Kenya does is that they go for the very best of quality infrastructure, human development and services only in a few selected parts of their cities/country/population and they leave a huge chunk of the remainder to rot away (to their fate). So by the time you end up seeing only their few developed parts, you conclude that they are better than Nigeria (which is not really true).
The way Nigeria works on the other hand is different! Our system more or less believes in even development of our people and even spread of rescources. We don't set world standards for only a tiny portion of our population/cities/states and abandon the rest to utter despondence or neglect. This is why we have a far higher percentage of urbanized, more socialized, enterprising, exposed and industrious population than Kenya or even East Africa combined (if not for core-northern Nigerians dragging us backwards).

uzzyfire:
I heard pankshin in jos is so cold that ice pellets fall whenever its raining there

Not always, just that it is colder than Jos. Kuru is also colder than Jos (it's very high)...

Have you also heard about Mambilla (Sardauna) in Taraba state? That LGA is the highest in West Africa and is as cold as Jos (if not colder). The hottest daytime temperature in Mambilla is 22-25°c, while nightime and morning goes as low as 15°c always all year round.
Heat does not exist in that entire LGA all year round.

Just30:
if you are interested in hearing Ghanaian pidgin
Search for YOLO on YouTube.
If I type in Fante and Twi, you won't be able to read it

Are fante and twi not native languages? Are they pidgin English dialects?

uzzyfire:
what part of Jos do u stay . does it get very hot in Jos, cos Lagos na fire I swear

I am not based in Jos. I am based in Warri/Benin, but while am in Jos i stay at Lowcust (that's where my family house is).
It gets hot in Jos too especially now that the rain has not started well. The better fact about Jos is that no matter how hot the daytime is, the nights are always cooler than other cities.

TayserMahiri:
Ethiopians will be speaking swahili soon. They are finally opening up to regional trade.

Swahili can never displace Amharic. It's just impossible. Amharic is as strong as swahili.