genieluv, come and see what your Kenyan friends are up to. ... Can you see how much of liars and pretenders Kenyans are? Nigerian lifestyle and cultures are really eating up these guys Imagine a Kenyan shouting Chineke? Even we from other parts of Nigeria do not this, but Kenyans do.
kjhova: Yes, you are right that British rule favoured the Caliphate afterwards by extending their influence beyond their original conquest. Bear in mind also that it was same British rule that effectively subsumed the Hausa people under Fulani hegemony. This is not far fetched nor counter to my original post that British colonial concept of civilization regarded the Fulani emirates as more civilized than the rest of us so they basically handed the entire shabang to the Caliphate. Problem was the conquering Fulanis have near zero population in Nigeria, just like the Brits, thus the gain of colonial Nigeria fell to the Hausas who were the primal Fulani conquest.
This is the Nigeria passes down to us today. It is so, not because the Brits considered northerners stupid, but because they actually believed that northerners were more refined than the rest of us. And by northerners, I mean Fulani's and Hausas. Right or wrong, the British are long gone and we are now here to handle our country the way we should. Are we ready yet?
I disagree @ the bolded. Hausa states were already united by Danfodio's conquest many years before the British came...
Hausa foot soldiers were used to spread fulani conquest to Adamawa/Bauchi/Gombe and other areas.
kjhova: Hi, I am awake now. Yea, you joined the discuss halfway. Pls don't be a Trump with facts. The British took Lagos in 1861, deposed the Benin Oba in 1896, bombed Ijebu to submission in 1880s, pacified the entire southwest of the Niger up to Lokoja before 1900! The British transported King Jaja, set up Port Harcourt, gained control of the Niger and coopted the entire Southeast of the Niger and the Benue rivers before 1900! The British made Calabar capital of their Niger activities until they defeated the Minna Emirate and then moved the capital to Lokoja in 1900! Kano, Kebbi, Sokoto and Gobir Emirates only fell between 1905 to 1911. It was only after the British had pacified the entire area that Luggard could proclame his now infamous amalgamation which created the Nigeria of today in 1914.
The above facts are quite so easily verifiable so it beats me why we need this argument.
Yes, you are right that British rule favoured the Caliphate afterwards by extending their influence beyond their original conquest. Bear in mind also that it was same British rule that effectively subsumed the Hausa people under Fulani hegemony. This is not far fetched nor counter to my original post that British colonial concept of civilization regarded the Fulani emirates as more civilized than the rest of us so they basically handed the entire shabang to the Caliphate. Problem was the conquering Fulanis have near zero population in Nigeria, just like the Brits, thus the gain of colonial Nigeria fell to the Hausas who were the primal Fulani conquest.
This is the Nigeria passes down to us today. It is so, not because the Brits considered northerners stupid, but because they actually believed that northerners were more refined than the rest of us. And by northerners, I mean Fulani's and Hausas. Right or wrong, the British are long gone and we are now here to handle our country the way we should. Are we ready yet?
Sokoto caliphate fell completely in 1903 while Eastern Igbo land (Aro) fell in 1902. The Ekumeku wars of the Anioma people was the last war the British had to fight before the establishment of the southern protectorate. Anioma fell completely in 1914 at the end of the Ekumeku war.
Kazikazi: Most Tanzanians speak Swahili from childhood.For many Tanzanians including myself,Swahili is our mother tongue.Its in our veins.
While for a Kenyan dude,He speaks his mother tongue(a tribal one) then he learns Swahili at a later stage.A result? A heavy and unattractive Swahili.
I always feel Kenyans don't have a real national language.When they speak English,it doesn't sound smooth.Most of them whom I met they struggle on pronunciation. Although they write it properly. When it come to Swahili they do struggle still.When I meet with most Kenyans,they can't understand Swahili very well.
But again,we can't say Kenyans shouldn't try to speak a better Swahili.I think its good if they learn more. But I am surprised when they claim to know swahili,the only exception is for some guys of coastal Kenya.
This is the pure undiluted truth.
@mtisTheQubit, if you want to mention my name speaking swahili, then at least try to speak it like a Tanzanian ! Not the rubbish you speak.
It's such a shame that Kenyans are not good in anything!
I just can't point out to anything that I'd say others look up to Kenyans for. Absolutely nothing.
I am so proud of Tanzanians and how much they have managed to promote Swahili language through their music across the continent. If Kenyans were like Tanzanians, Swahili language should have been dominating most of Africa by now.
genieluv: Hahahaha, the first black African miss world is married to a Nigerian billionaire.... The first black African miss universe (from Angola of Cape Verdean descent) is also married to a Nigerian. **** These are world renowned women.
••••• Nobody in Nigeria knows Sauti Sol's girlfriend. I don't think I have ever come across any thread on nairaland or any famous Nigerian blog talking about her (this is my proof). You can prove me otherwise if you can. When I searched about her, I discovered that most blogs that talked about her where Kenyan blogs
*******You Kenyans here were the first to bring up the issue of Bien's Nigerian girlfriend in the past when you guys were desperately trying hard to prove that Kenyan men could get Nigerian women. I don't make noise without facts to back them up, if you want me to go back a year ago and bring that up, I can do it, but it would only be to your shame!...
You see, I went back to search harder if I could find any Nigerian blog reporting this story, and I couldn't fine none!
***** However, here was what I got from NairobiWire (a Kenyan blog)
My fellow Nigerians, come and see Kenyans celebrating that their most famous celebrity got an unknown Nigerian girl They even see it as a competition and revenge to Nigerian men getting their women Low self-esteem niggars!
Hahahaha, gaskiya wannan mutane basu da Kunya samsam.
NairobiWalker, can't you see how your shamelesness have been exposed? See how this page was celebrating Sauti sol getting an unknown Nigerian girl and talking about getting back at Nigerian men.
genieluv: I will not tolerate you calling our women cheap! We aren't as materialistic as Southern women doesn't make us cheap in any way. ***** It's not that people here are not ambitious, they just tend to have a culture of contentment. The average person from Kaduna for instance is okay with the normal civil service life with a nice appartment and a car. However, the life here is gradually changing and young people are now becoming more ambitious.
I didn't call them cheap in the real sense, I just said they are cheaper. Ok, less materialistic in the real sense, are you happy? That's my people too, so there is no reason I'd want to talk them down for no good reason.
You know, every system or way of life has it's pros and cons. Trust is still a strong culture among our people which is completely lacking in the south and that's very important.
mtisTheQubit: Boss wewe unaongea na Nowenuse..style yake ni nowe..picha ni za nowe..wote wanatoka middlebelt..wote wanapenda mziki ya Tz..argument ni ya nowe...sasa niambie huyu sio nowe ?
What the heck are you mentioning my name for in your poorly spoken swahili?
kjhova: You seem genuinely interested in this topic therefore I shall engage you further to comment on the points you raised. Caveat is, you gotta totally offload your emotions and research history from a purely detached viewpoint.
1) The Caliphate fell long after the southern Kingdoms. Don't take my word for it, just do a cursory google search on "British colonization of Nigeria". Also, common sense application of geography to military strategy will show that the British, who invaded from the Atlantic coast, will not flank unconquered enemy forces in the south to go on a conquest up north.
2) At the end of the Yoruba civil war in 1888 to the eve of the fall of Benin in 1896, none of these civilizations had writing and none was projecting war outside its territory. They were also both polytheist society with governments nowhere near as complex as the bureaucracy of the Caliphate.
3) For all effect and purpose, the Fulani jihad did force Hausa hegemony over much of the tribes of the Kaduna, Niger and Benue basin. Yes, the Caliphate did not outrightly subjugate these peoples, however, they had enough dominion amongst them to be able to spread their influence over them.
Sleep calls...later.
Oga, check again. The north fell completely to the British before the south fell. And this is not even my area of interest, my interest is the last paragraph.
Hausa fulanis did not conquer Southern Kaduna, Plateau, Benue, Gombe south and most parts of Taraba/Adamawa. The British were the ones who brought about indirect rule system of government to force our people under emirate rulership. Some resisted, but others fell. The use of Hausa language was promoted/manadated for Biblical evangelism and schools in the old northern region. This was what spread Hausa language around the region, otherwise, there was no form of direct influence by conquest or whatsoever means!
We know those who were conquered by Hausa fulanis and the people are predominantly muslims, e.g the Ilorins, the Nupes and Bauchi tribes.
***** This song above and many other Tanzanian songs make me feel like I could melt into spoken Tanzanian Swahili sometimes. Damn! ***** Now Kenyans will start attacking me when I say I don't find them attractive compared to Tanzanian men. Cc NairobiWalker
Sometimes Tanzanian men sing almost as if they are women. I don't understand how they do it. They sound Indian (the best way I can put it). And this becomes so so romantic. In fact, I hereby declare Tanzanian swahili the official romantic language/dialect of Africa
~~~~ You know, this is why at a time I felt Tanzanians were the true owners of swahili. Just like Hausa language, we the 2nd language speakers of Hausa think we speak fluent and good hausa, not until we meet with native hausa speakers (to them, we don't know how to speak Hausa)
You are also correct. I find Kenyan english heavily unattractive and heavily intonated.
Wow, I also like this song too.
It's good that I'm not the only one noticing these things. West Africans already smell the hypocrisy of Kenyans as regards Tanzania from far away in spite of the lies they tell.
In spite of the lies Kenyans tell us, now here is Kazikazi telling us the truth that most Kenyans cannot really speak fluent and standard swahili.. They just speak rubbish... When you watch a Tanzanian music or movie or anything, you can see how much they flow effortlessly and melodiously with their swahili.
Tanzania is just the appeal of East Africa. Nothing else interests me in East Africa beside Tanzania and maybe Rwanda.
genieluv: Same way you guys rub the western based poverty rates on our face and deny same western based GDP sources. It takes 2 to Tango afterall. ***** Besides when you talk about people being extremely poor in Nigeria, that poverty is overwhelmingly rural northern Nigeria, so it can never come into relationship on how must urban Nigerian men live their lifestyles of spoiling women.
~~~~ Westerners say anyone who cannot spend 2 dollars a day is extremely poor. In Nigeria, that is about #750. Less than that amount of money can get someone nutritious 3 squire meals in Northern Nigeria. That's why they call these people extremely poor, but this same people are well fed and very healthy. Shouldn't extremely poor people be sickly, hopeless & starving ?? You yourself, do some reasoning on this. Remove the sake of arguing and judge it with common sense.
Imagine you comparing Europeans who have a very different working government and history with Igbos, WHILE I was comparing my people and Igbos who are under the same government and share a common history and heritage. **** What you could have done is compare people from Advanced nations who spoil their women and those who don't. Nowenuse is so right afterall when he said Kenyans lack good use of analogies. Sometimes the analogies you guys bring just makes one shakes her head.
~~~ Igbos have a very materialistic society that pushes them to work harder and that is why they may be richer on average than the other Nigerians, nothing else.
Ask any Nigerian and even the Igbos themselves, they will agree with you that Igbos marry at a later age than anyone else. I even heard that in some parts of Igbo land, you must build a house in your village before marriage, whereas in some other Nigerian tribes you can even get married in your father's house as a man
>>>> There is no other difference between Igbos and others Nigerians. I wish you could point it out. You guys just wanna argue everything including our own cultures and lifestyles over here
Well, I can't argue this anymore cos I don't know anything about Nigerians living in Kenya and how they live their lives. Until I witness first hand, then I will judge. ***** However, I can't take your biased views any seriously.
I don't really support materialism. However I don't support absolute non-materialism. I prefer a balance between both, cos I have seen the pros and cons of both. ***** Have you wondered why 99% of the people's names you see disgracing Nigeria outside Nigeria are Southern Nigerians? At same time an amazing percentage of those making Nigeria proud outside are same Southern Nigerians? Some may think illiteracy of northern Nigerians is the cause, but that is largely untrue because we in the middlebelt are just as educated as the South. Materialism is the answer.... If you still think it's not, then pls I look forward to you to tell me the reason for the discrepancy.
Hahahaha, didn't I tell you? Arguing with people like NairobiWalker, you just have to be patient to do a lot of educating.
And yes you can't be more correct about the culture of materialism in Nigeria.
I am from the middlebelt but have grown in the South amongst Igbos and others and have also imbibed their ways, and to be sincere when I go back to Jos, I find my own people too sluggish and laid back for my own liking.
They seem not to be very ambitious and the women seem to be cheaper than Southern women.
rvp20183: As long as we don't use Nigeria Stats Office generated GDP - I am pretty sure Nairobi, Mombasa, Kisumu, Nakuru and Eldoret will stand as cities worth their name.
Of course not, we use the world bank and IMF statistics which definitely support the Nigerian statistics
How many industries are in Mombasa, Kisumu & Nakuru?
The number of industries in Port harcourt, Kano, Kaduna, Ibadan, Onitsha and many other Nigerian cities are highly intimidating.
Nigeria has financial city centers all over the country and not just small so called cities with 1 or 2 highrises of a few hundred thousand people with no financial backbone!
Nairobi is the only financial center in the whole of Kenya!
genieluv: This is the pure undiluted truth. **** Tanzanians are just like the true native owners of swahili. They speak and sing with the language in a very melodious and sweet way.
You couldn't be more correct genie.
I love hearing Tanzanians when they speak or sing swahili, they just have this appeal and serious 'nativization' towards the language.
Kenyans on the other hand just speak rubbish. Most Kenyan songs are in English, while Tanzanians sing entire musics without adding a word of English.
Where is Kazikazi. You guys have to send a national warning to Kenya to tell them to stop speaking swahili, they bastardize the language and makes it look unnapealing.
genieluv: Who ever thought the Roman empire will collapse? Tell the Romans this same thing millenia ago that their descendants will end up speaking and taking pride in vulgar latin, they will say you are mad What is happening today?
~~~~ American English which was a corruption of British English is now taking over the world and heavily displacing the original British English.
Life has proven itself heavily unpredictable throughout history.
**** At the height of the British empire centuries ago, tell them that their children would one day take pride in the identity of American lifestyle, they would have said God forbid, cos then even American born Europeans were regarded as untrained, ill-mannered and far away from home cultured savage individuals.
genieluv: OMG, maybe I would have to use a swahili translator. **** Where does Nigeria come into my comparison?
I am analyzing the huge discrepancy between advanced nations, where did Nigeria come into my analogy?
~~~~ Answer my question on the discrepancy between these advanced nations since you claim that life expectancy is synonymous to wealth.
Your failure to do this makes complete rubbish of your assertions.
Wow girl, you are giving so much better education and enlightenment to the likes of NairobiWalker and Jonraid.
This I have been doing for a long time till I gave up. I just cannot be the one doing the work of supplementing Kenya's failed educational system.
Colonial advantage is India being colonized for a far longer period of time, hence getting exposed to western cultures and systems for a longer period of time.
It is also of the entire Indian subcontinent being colonized in uniformity by one European power, hence ensuring uniformity across the terrain, UNLIKE Africa that was split like a pie among different colonial powers, creating dozens of unfriendly international boundaries, diverse policies and conflicting systems and values bequeathed by the colonizers.
Kazikazi: Where were you before? Dude,You are too intelligent! What a brain... Dude,You know east Africa very well. I mean you are spot on. I didn't know you know that Rwanda was a part of Tanzania(formerly German east Africa) So its correct to say Tutsi are found in Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi.
Dude,You have halted a massive Kenyan lie by a single comment..The world knows how Kenyans look.A hungry population can't look beautiful..
Kenyans aside, East Africans are a very fascinating and beautiful group of people. Very friendly too.
Kenyans and Somalis are the black sheep of East Africa.
I heard their part of the continent would be cutting out to form an island. I hope this happens sooner
sufferNsmiling: India's gdp is bigger than all the african countries put together india's budget is bigger than all the african countries put together. Dangote is begging the indians up and down to build his refinery. Tata is is one of the biggest steel producers in the world please don't compare india with nigeria because india is one thousand years in front of nigeria look at the cell phones which india is making look at the cars which they make it look at the solar panels which they are making while your country is 150 in the world in human development index. Please if you want to fool yourself like most southern nigeria fool yourself in a appropriate way. I have been to a lot of african countries and in some african countries you are short 16 to 18 nigerians in one room. Go to britain they are begging the indians to run their textile company even sweetie. Go with your nigerian passport into another african country the police will tell you you are a criminal in your face and then you want to come here thinking that nigeria is important when your people are running to other countries like cockroaches
India's GDP is not so much larger than Africa's GDP in spite of all the wars and conflicts Africa has been involved in and still facing till now.
India is also more populated than Africa.
Indians had so much colonial advantage compared to Africans.
sufferNsmiling: You are a damn liar 7 degrees celsius in nigeria when countries like south africa zimbabwe at 10 degrees celsius the mountains are forming snow on their tops. jos is not as as cold as kenya or south africa please don't come here and start fabricating lies
Google the coldest temperature ever reccorded in Nigeria. It is 2.3°C.
By next week, Jos would be falling as low as 10°c. And it gets colder by January.
Jos will be much colder than Nairobi by next week.
genieluv: >>>>> To think that I have finally found a Kenyan singer which I so much admire ( , I'm in tears right now).
The accent and the changaa drinking in the video were exactly parts of the reasons I thought THE BEN was Kenyan! I also discovered Butera Knowless was Rwandese and not Tanzanian. East Africans tend to look quite alike to each other.
**** Yes, I watch Trace Mziki where East African musics are mostly shown on DSTV.
Get this! You can never ever find a Kenyan guy attractive, never!
**** Yeah you are definitely right. Rwandans seem to have a very good educational system. They speak very eloquently and sensibly. I observed that.
Btw, where did that forehead genes originate from? My girlfriend always think everyone with that protruted east African forehead is a Kenyan
>>> Do you understand spoken or written Kinyarwanda? I heard most Bantu languages have a great form of mutual intelligibility. To me, Kinyarwanda sounds very much like Swahili, especially in Melody.
I can only differentiate Uganda's language in music very well cos it sounds somehow more deeply 'Bantu' like Southern African languages from let's say Zimbabwe.
Don't fall for Kikuyu1 or whatever lies he feeds you.
Here is how I differentiate East Africans, it's gonna help you a lot.
Any ugly malnourished east African you see like those marathon runners. It's definitely Kenyan.
Any uncivilized stone age forest dwelling and animal blood drinking East African you see is a Kenyan.
Any beautiful or handsome well behaved, friendly East African you see with a melodious voice is either Tanzanian or Rwandan, but check the forehead, if it's protruded, it's Rwandan.
Any one who fits into neither categories is Ugandan.
On one hand u don't trust western sources wrt X country
But one the other hand u base ur conclusions on Y country via documentaries etc produced by the same western sources or proxies at the behest of the same western sources.
Lolzz
Anyways cognitive trap is a second nature of human mind , it wants to see what it wants to see , and will see it one way or the other , right or wrong.
No ! I get most of my documentaries from non-western sources like Aljazeera!
India is no better than Nigeria or Africa. You guys have just been privileged to enjoy a united democracy (courtesy of western colonialists). Unlike Africa where wars and political boundaries have hindered us.
**** I'm in Kaduna now and it's getting really cold. This morning it was 17°c. My sister said it's the same in Abuja. Bro, we are enjoying. My friends in Jos are already heading towards freezing nights !
Chai, And I'm supposed to be travelling to Jos next week for the festive period
I'm already as scared as hell ! The last time I was there during christmas few years ago, the temperature was as low as 7°c! I wish I would remain here in the South.
Daejoyoung: This is just mere propangada from western media, thesame western media that tells you Nigeria has the largest economy in Africa as well as the 3rd richest city on the continent? lt doesn't add up my friend, just think about it. ln Warri for instance ( an oil city) there are so many middle class Nigerian millionaires ( in Naira) who live well in decent buildings and send their kids to the UK or Nigerian and Ghanian private schools. Also, there are so many silent millionaires in another city called Nnewi, which even your western media can attest to, ( we aren't even talking about places like Abuja, Lagos or PortHarcourt here). Some months ago, the Nigerian finance body spoke about including in tax payments, thousands of privately owned businesses in Lagos alone( worth millions of dollars) not currently under the tax class, to support Government revenue. l know for a fact Nigeria is definitely rich, there are so many poor people in Southern Nigeria, but their numbers just do not add up to make Nigeria the poorest nation in the world. As for the northerners, many whom we see as poor are just farmers whose lifestyles( or way of living) we do not understand. So calling Nigeria( as a nation) poor or rich is quiet complex.
Nothing but the truth...
Western media statistics just cannot be trusted. For instance, when I watch documentaries and see the poverty in countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Phillipines etc, I just can't understand why it would be said that Nigeria has far more poor people than these countries. I see almost no difference in the lifestyles of these people and Nigerians.
I discovered that almost half of Indian population practice open defecation compared to 1/3 of Nigeria's population. Majority of Indians live in rural areas and in those rural areas, majority of them sleep on the floor! They do not even have beds. I have been to the remotest rural areas of Northern Nigeria and you find almost all of them with beds and even televisions in their houses.
When you compare the pictures of rural south Asians and that of rural Nigerians, you find our people looking far more healthy than theirs.
genieluv: Smh. Are you trying to tell me that most of you Kenyans here just cannot have a decent conversation without hate filled, angry and uncouth language?
>>>> OMG I always thought this song below was a Kenyan song.
I just discovered that it is actually a Rwandan song and this extremely handsome and sexy dude with a lovely voice called THE BEN is actually Rwandan and not Kenyan
So you watch these musics too? The Ben is a Rwandese singer, you can't expect a Kenyan singer to look as handsome and stylish as he looks. The best Kenya can offer are ugly looking singer like the likes of Nyanshinki and Sauti sol.
Actually, I also thought this song was a Kenyan song especially at the part where I saw some men drinking Chang'aa or Busaa or whatever they call that crazy alcoholic drink they drink with straws However, I knew nothing good could come out of Kenya, so I had to google the origin of this singer and voila RWANDA.
Na gaya miki karki kara kashe lokacin da mutane irin NairobiWalker da sauran su masu wawanchi.
genieluv: You mentioned Durumi? Mpape and others? Durumi is where I used to live in Abuja.
***** Kindly look at the pictures below showing houses for rent in Durumi & Mpape.
(sighs) God, how do I explain these things to you guys to understand? Ok let me start somewhere for you Kikuyu1 and NairobiWalker who have quoted me on slum topics.
¤¤¤ A slum is supposed to be a community with a heart of it's own just like Makoko or Kibera. A slum is supposed to have it's own schools, government representative centres, polling units, possibly health centres e.t.c in other words, a life of it's own.
This is what you cannot find in Nigeria apart from Makoko. You Kenyans just find it hard to believe.
Perhaps because you think our country should definitely be like yours (pls I do not mean this in a demeaning manner). What I meant was that, you guys expect your housing systems and that of ours to be the same. But it is not. We do not have the same housing systems.
•••••••• In most urban parts of Nigeria, the rich, the middleclass and the poor sometimes live together in the same suburb. People can buy lands almost in any part of the city and develop it to taste, that is why you can find beautiful mansions and gated houses in predominantly low income areas with parts which may pass for a slum. So, let's say in Mpape suburb, there are neighbourhoods which can pass as a slum, in same Mpape, you'll find more beautiful middleclass estates and houses as you can see from the picture below. So, in the real sense, those slummish neighbourhoods are not the definition of what Mpape is. They are just an illegal section of Mpape which managed to develop in a short time evading the attention of the environmental authorities. However, they cannot evade the environmental authorities for so long , so they get demolished in a very short time (search google for demolition in Mpape and see for yourself).
***** This is why when you guys mention any Nigerian suburb which you think is a full blown slum, we will show you guys beautiful houses and estates from that same place. The only place we cannot do that for is Makoko! This is because Makoko is what it is! A full blown slum. A community with a heart of it's own. Lagos state govt has tried to demolish Makoko, but it failed because how do you just destroy an entire community with over a hundred thousand people? ¿¿¿ However, google demolitions in Abuja and see a whole lot of developing slummish neighbourhoods being demolished year in year out... Our former FCT minister who is now the governor of Kaduna state (El Rufai), his nick name is MAI RUSAU (which roughly translates DEMOLITION MAN in hausa language ). The name was given to him because of the way he demolished every springing illegal settlement of Abuja while he was the minister of the city.
****** So, here is the new! The illegal house builders are now moving to the village settlements of the indigenous natives of Abuja city who were resettled outside Abuja. This is because they know that the government cannot easily go and destroy the villages of these natives. So, yes, FCT (and not Abuja) may start having slums in the future if the government doesn't start invading these indigenous villages cos this was exactly how Makoko evolved, from an indigenous fishing village.
Splendid and perfect explanation girl. I couldn't have said it better. Kenyans have heads like coconuts, so expect them to still reply you with rubbish after your perfect elucidation.
These guys just can't live with the reality that living in slums like Kibera is not just a Nigerian thing. Kenyans even have slums that are a collection of multiple slums How bad can it get?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:35am On Dec 16, 2018
Imagine a Kenyan shouting Chineke? 
