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Stop the lying!

Aletheia said and I quote "What is natural about Oyakhilome's gesture, which is also known as the Eye of Horus or All-Seeing Eye?
See Lady Gaga spotting the very same symbol. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it most likely is a duck."

Granted that he obviously doesn't trust your pastor, that still is not a conclusion. And I'm sorry to say he's not alone in that mistrust - most serious people here are with him on that. Anyway, "likely" isn't the same as "IS". BTW, where did you see Jesus raise Masonic fingers towards heaven? I hope you are not one of those who believe in the "idolatrous pictures" of Jesus spread all around? I beg O.!

What I expect is that one of you close to the top start to realise all these stories of you are causing embarrassment and bring such to his notice so something is done about it. That is supporting God!

Mad_Max:
Oily. See his face like fish.

See yab? The man vex you before?

His "church" will accept "gays" and "bisexuals" is somewhat WOW sha! Guy must be needing a new boyfriend!

^^^ You're right I'm not a good discussant. Jesus also was not. He was abrasive to the religious guys of the day just as I am to you. What He had was truth, simple and open which was acceptable to the people and has endured 2000 years. Tell me what you know of any of the pharisees sayings? That BTW, gives you an idea of what will happen to you if you don't embrace truth.

Your perennial excuse is "kingdom revelations", "hidden knowledge", "tip of the iceberg", "baby teeth" etc. Rubbish. Why not just expose ALL THE TRUTH like Jesus did if it is indeed Him you follow?

^^^ Your pastors are impregnating multiple church members! Your men wear vanity! You misquote/misuse God's Word. Your ministry is known for love-peddlers. Most thefts commited in society are linked to your church and the perpertrators bring all to you proving you influenced them to steal. Your doctrine is watery and shallow. You are vain and proud. Chris himself looks/lives like a swivel hipped transverstite (maybe thats why the wife moved away).

And now obviously, you've started sniffing gum to think that with the above, you are a light. Dude, you cannot successfully illuminate a currency note

Joagbaje:
E don do Oo . You have proven beyond doubt that pastor Chris is mason. I am mason too. [s]You be mason too , Jesu Kristi be mason too. Infact the oga of all of us masons.[/s]
Colossians 2:10
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

stop binding principality . We be principality o.

Are these confessions but made out to look like a joke?

Why not address the evidence or keep quiet? Even me with my aversion for brain-fried men defended "yaps" on the basis of inconclusive evidence and you, his slave come here and this is the best you can do? Offer solidarity to him and try to rope in innocent people and the Lord Jesus?

When (for insulting your Lord) I now tell you the hole in your head is almost as large as the milky way and is as populated as outer space, your minion olaadegbu will appear to show the slave of a "fake" solidarity and say you are right to insult God but I am wrong to assault you. Dolts having oxgygen overloads since their brains are too small!

Joagbaje:
[size=13pt]I AM CHRIST!!!![/size]

I know CE in all areas show videos of your chris"T" preaching seeing as he is the only "elder" you have so you listened to him today. It must have been quite an experience and the pep talk seems to have "emboldened" you.

Your acceptance that your anointing is "less" informs that even in your own estimation, you are a "fake" christ. Your other delusions will eventually be dropped - either you leave them or when your godship DIES, they'll leave you .

God ko, bingo ni! see who dey wait make im mate give am 2% of tithe before he chop dey talk say im be god.

Mad_Max:
If there's a working definition of religious delusion and psychosis, seeing yourself as the bearer and defender of 'truth' is exactly it.

Lovely definition and I am somewhat guilty of it (and thats not in response to you, Mad_Max! but just the truth). Maybe I ought have acknowledged "my" beliefs have limitations because I know little. But at least my beliefs have sincere motives and do not include "possessing" the souls of other men. My sincere reason for this thread was not to force Christianity upon anyone but see if discussing it would avail those who go outside of what we call the Word of God yet insist they are leaders amongst us, to hear what they portray to the society and see the effects its having on us as a body. In effect, see if consciences could be pricked.

Hello Mudley:

I wish it were possible to write in a manner that would ensure you read slower - seems you go faster than I'd like. First off, you are as guilty as you charge I am. My "delusions" are no different from yours. Whist I however and in my own case, was willing to listen to your views of christianity, you have made those "your" views "laws" and furthermore, have made a few assumptions into the bargain. FYI, I have NO pastor or Imam or whatever. What I have is evidence from my spirit or conscience or "mind" as you may call it. It involves much that sensual legalists like yourself would likely never experience. My conscience gives me a right to ask questions BUT also requires I listen to answers even when against my beliefs as yours are. But you've determined your right to ask, answer, judge and proclaim ALL BY yourself. It comes across grating and with too much aggression. [size=4pt]long ago, I'd have asked if you were a virgin and suggested you go do something about that - you remind me of young make elephants in estress. too much anger[/size]

If you are a bit more "with me" now, you would realise I ASKED ABOUT DEVIATIONS FROM BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES, INSTRUCTIONS AND "DOGMA" rather than whether you think your grand-father was a chinese man who came to earth as a black man to complain about the nuclear weapons program of the chinese government. I believe you sensible and that you know what the Bible says as opposed to what many of "us" say. My invitation was based on that. If I was wrong in my belief about you, enjoy your days.

@Lady:

You don't want to pick a fight but you "think" I do not understand english and that I feel "heretic" is a hefty word so I impress myself throwing it around, right? Okay!

Anyway, deviations from Biblical doctrines are what I spoke about and call heretic. I have seen your "powerful" picture of "Mary breastfeeding 'god'" so understand your defensiveness. However, I ask you - why are you defensive? Do you defend that the sun will go down this evening? Please remember that we usually defend error most vociferously and most every "fanatics" are in error.

Please let us know what your 2 types/definitions of heretics are? And why didn't you just work with those if you were certain they are right. FYI, your picture is definitely "heretic". Mary fed the "Human" Jesus who was anointed but "became Himself" when The Dove (need to be told what it symbolised?) came upon Him during His Baptism. That is the truth. Go deal with it and watch your backside when turning away from your priest. Oh sorry, I forgot - they prefer little boys!

@Babaearly:

I love your defence of truth. No assuming or self-righteousness. BTW, I didn't say I know all things. I know little. Part of that little is that the Bible is what we ought follow and ANYTHING against its principles is wrong

^^ If you have need of a definition, pick a dictionary. Wikipedia will provide a classification and studying the Bible will show you authority.

When you've done the study, come around again

^^^ Yes, I know its no point arguing against God's Word - satan too tried to misuse God's Word but THE true Christ defeated him and he had to go away for a season just like you too are now doing. He too said then that all the kingdoms of the earth were his and their wealth was his to give forgetting that the earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof.

Satan had been defeating the world for long but Christ came "to preach good news to the poor, to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn and provide for those who grieve in Zion etc".

No one here hates you but what you stand for which shown in light, you run from and then re-appear insidiously re-asserting error all for a bowl of pap and the adulation of men.

It is you who will not be able to say you were not told!

[1] If you don't pay tithe, you are going to Hell - RCCG
[2] Name and Claim (whist bringing ALL) 101, 201, 310 and 495 (final year project after which police arrests you for fraud) - CE
[3] "I AM THAT I AM", a "god" on earth and once I reach deep inside myself deep enough, I can do what God did/does - WOF
[4] The "Holy oil" in this bottle is the blood of Christ once I pray over it - LF AKA Winners chapel
[5] The richer my church is, the holier we are and the more God loves us - most churches today - Most any church today
[6] Wealth is an indication of superiority/answered prayers which translates from "righteousness" - CE/WOF
[7] "ooooooooooooooooo I am very very very hungr hunger anger angry man is hungry man eba with rice and yam" said very very fast is "kabashing" and is the speaking in tongues the Bible talks about. - CE/WOF
[8] All I need do is "claim" Jesus and I'm heaven bound on concorde even if professionally a love-peddler - CE
[9] Trousers are bad for women. Men must not taste alchohol -

Aletheia/Enigma/Petres/Kunle/Guys, please take one and start the discourse OR bring up an issue of interest to you

^^^ Wondered too and still wondering but what does a compass and square have to do with a book about building a firm foundation? Strange choice of symbols in my opinion. Makes one wonder

Okay, I surrender. Love added as the first of doctrines!

^^^ Love too, my brother, is not a teaching or instruction. It is an act or way of life. I have no arguments with you. We're saying the same thing with different words

@Kunle:

I have read you here on NL say Jesus is "a God" so what are you on about? You agree He's man yet God so wetin be turenchi again? And I'm sorry, Bro, but love is not a doctrine. The meaning of doctrine is loosely "belief". Love is not a belief but an act or you may call it "a way of life".

And I did say I remain amenable to correction. If you would me to add "Love" to a list of doctrines, thats not an issue.

@Joagbaje:

Firstly, it was not me that said you have a poor Bible study method. Aletheia did and he was being kind. For me personally, sorry to say this but I believe you wear "tinted" glasses when you "go through" the Bible. They are tinted by pastor chris' ideas and ROR. I know you will see that as an insult but it is sincere and not intended to ridicule you - its honestly what you portray.

To your quotes:

The elders that rule well, laboring in the word and doctrine ARE those who get a reward from God, not a "here and now" cash reward from poorer people. Those people discussed by your second quote WATCH OVER SOULS, not send them into delirious excitement based on psychology. When account is been given, I guess many will be shocked that the miracle workers Jesus said He would say He doesn't know are pastors amongst us, not Imams in Sudan.

Your third "rulers/rulership" quote - Hmmm, you might be better served, Joagbaje, leaving the legalistic approach and starting to understand that a ruler in the stated context presents an example which is worthy to be emulated and is not a "king" over subjects. I asked in another thread what example you wished me to follow - the Biblical one that says women should clothe themselves in modesty or Chris' which asks me, a dude that I am, to fry my hair (and heat up the brain underneath). Thats the ruler the Bible talks of - the true leader and THAT IS WHY the verse says "WHOSE FAITH FOLLOW".

Rather than this bitterness with which you claim we're attacking you, why didn't you answer all the points raised above? You are BEING SELECTIVE!

And of course, I do not know everything. Matter of fact, it is you and your guys that have the distinction of claiming that! I know the difference between "the boy" and "a boy" but when we read about the MOGs in the other thread "Nsaying "I AM THAT I AM", we know this is an excuse when the chips are down. Someone who says he uses the God kind of faith is calling himself "The one" not "a one".

Sincerely Joagbaje, I believe you're sincere but your "glasses" are not letting you see truth. 1 Chr 16:19 - 22 "When they were but few in number, few indeed and strangers in it, the wandered from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another. He allowed no man to oppress them; for their sakes, He rebuked kings: do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm"

That is what the Bible says - ALL Israel was anointed and NOT to be touched. Not their rulers alone. Remember God gave guidelines for them to know the fake prophets and ordered the should be killed. How do you do that without touching them, Joagbaje?

I think you guys watched "The Ten Commandments" and have this fantasy of being like Moses so that the ground would swallow anyone who dared "try" you or to be Elijah and call fire down from Heaven etc. But we're under a new dispensation Sir and that ain't gonna happen.

On King David, the guy chose NOT to kill Saul - God didn't inform him not to do so. Again, this is OT issues and buttresses my point that its that "I'm oga thing" that you guys want cos now when it serves you, you go to the issue of David whom you have claimed is learning from you to find support. Did you forget Jesus said "the ruler shall be the servant". That statement changes everything because THE SERVANT IS RESPONSIBLE TO THE SERVED! Abi I lie? Does your houseboy command you about? Do you wash your driver's car? Honor should then be voluntary not compelled!

On dwelling in truth, I'm very very far from perfect, Joagbaje. Atimes my conscience indicts me when later I fall into the same thing I condemned in posts here on NL. The difference between me and you is that I know that and acknowledge my limitations BUT you refute it and claim godship.

Your reply to Enigma about bringing "disrepute" on an open forum is very funny coming from you. First its your members stealing money from hotels, banks and even your own bank for our church. Then its claims of "staged" and fake miracles in your church. Then its the doctrine of "jericurls" and immodesty. Then we're told your "chairman" is a FreeMason and so many Christians have expressed their mind that they wouldn't be suprised to find it true! Thats aside of the delusions of "professional" fornicators who are members of CE speaking arrant rubbish and calling it "tongues". At the same time, we have their non-professional counterparts being considered to be the loosest girls in every town your church is. I could go on, bro.

But thats fine by you and you feel it is the guys who say the above is wrong that are bringing disrepute to Christianity? You're a funny guy!

False prophet is definitely different from being a member of the Free Masons IMO. I'm not convinced of the latter on the "basis" of available evidence

Matthew 7:13-23 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14 “For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it. 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”

False prophets are particularly dangerous because they appear to be genuine. If not, no one would follow them

Their outward forms would incline one to believe these false prophets to be reliable guides. But these false prophets can be detected by their fruits. What are these fruits? One must be very careful here, for false prophets are not without religious activities. A false prophet is often accompanied by deceptive signs and by seeming wonders. Some of these are suggested in Matthew 7:22: “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in Your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?”’

We should expect false prophets to engage in acts of kindness and charity. We should expect them to perform deeds which suggest miraculous power. And we should expect that these deeds be performed under the pretext of being done by God’s power and to His glory.

“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their deeds” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

We should expect false prophets to be accompanied by religious works, often unusual and spectacular, done ostensibly in the name of God. Satan willingly gives the glory to God in such cases, so long as ultimately he is able to deceive people and cause them to their allegiance and obedience him.

But are these religious activities the fruits of which the Master spoke? If not, what are they? The Scriptures frequently describe the fruits of the false prophets, so that we are left with little doubt as to what we should look for. I believe we can see the fruits of the false prophets falling into three categories.

(1) The first category of the fruits of the false prophet is their doctrine. False prophets speak from their own delusion, not by divine command (Jeremiah 23:16,21,25; Ezekiel 13:2). They do not proclaim or defend God’s word, but deny it (Jeremiah 23:17). In particular they deny unpleasant subjects such as impending judgment (Jeremiah 6:14; 28:17; Ezekiel 13:10). They offer temporary and partial relief to pressing problems (Jeremiah 8:11). Mainly, they tell people precisely what they want to hear (1 Kings 22:8, 13; 2 Timothy 4:3-4). Concerning the way of salvation they deny the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ and they reject the work of Christ on the cross (2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:2-3).

(2) The second category of the fruits of the false prophets is the effect of their teaching in the lives of men. Invariably it leads to a rejection of God’s word, a rejection of biblical authority, a division among the saints (Jeremiah 23:2,14) and a life of sensuality (2 Peter 2:2). They attempt to lead men away from the truth of the gospel (Acts 13:, and to deceive genuine Christians with false doctrine (Mark 13:22). This is also evident from the pastoral epistles (1 and 2Timothy and Titus) where Paul speaks of the need of sound or healthy doctrine (1 Tim. 4:6; 2 Tim. 4:3; bosom. 1:9; 2:1).

(3) Finally, there is the fruit of the false teachers as evidenced in their own moral character. They are easily distinguished by their pride (2 Peter 2:10), their greed (Jeremiah 8:10; Titus 1:11; 2 Peter 2:3,14) and immorality (Jeremiah 23:11,14; 2 Peter 2:14). They are men dominated by the flesh (2 Peter 2:10,12; 3:3). They prey upon the weak and the guilt-ridden (2 Timothy 3:6-7; 2 Peter 2:14,13). While they profess to know God, by their deeds they deny Him (Matthew 7:22-23; 2 Timothy 3:5; Titus 1:16). While they delight in authority, they refuse to submit to it (2 Peter 2:10).

“A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?” (Luke 6:39).

Describing the methods and motives of the false prophets and teachers, Peter says that,"many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you, " (2 Peter 2:2-3). How does this happen? Very simply, the average church member is conditioned for it. Rather than follow God's direction and "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15), the average Christian's approach is to expect others to teach them.

culled from the web

I welcome corrections to the below!

There are two basic parts I see to this discourse. One is the Christian perspective and the other the view of the man looking in and wondering what manner of "insanity" he is seeing. I speak only from the Christian perspective. My understanding is that there are seven basic doctrines in Christianity (MY VIEW). Aside these are rules and ideas of guidance to be found in the Bible.

My EIGHT basic doctrines are

1. LOVE
2. The Trinity: God is one "what" and three "who's" with each "who" possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality and all being co-equal.
3. The Sovereignity and "aloofness" : God is sovereign and all powerful not needing us but sufficient in Himself to all ends.
4. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity.
5. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge.
6. Salvation: By grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. This Grace however, not being license for "freedom"
7. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life.
8. Man: Created in the Image of God but totally human and not divine in any form

As an aside, we've discussed the inerrancy of Scripture here on NL and for purposes of this thread, I define Biblical inerrancy in terms of its message. Words have been changed through revisions etc but the message is constant and is what I call "inerrant".

Those who I call heretics would be those who, whist claiming to be part and even leadership of christianity, deviate from any of the above seven. You will note that ALL other religions and belief systems in the world deviate from at least one of these seven. This would infer that any so called "Christian" deviating is in the same boat and that their claim of Christianity is mouth deep

2 Tim. 4:2-5   "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."

Myths abound today.  False teachers are everywhere, especially on the television and radio, and traveling to every country of the world trying to take the spotlight away from the true work of God in the local church and missions and placing it on "signs and wonders" and on false testimonies people have made up out of their fertile and sinful minds.  Many Christians have itching ears today, no longer wanting to hear the truth of God's Word to obey it, but instead would rather see and participate in a circus atmosphere and listen to wild unsubstantiated stories.

The seemingly easiest way in which this is being done today is to hold the Bible as the authority but actually direct the student's attention primarily to the doctrinal books of leaders. These books usually contain some accurate doctrine, but are laced with the leader's heresy. Bible verses are sprinkled liberally in the books to make it appear that the student is studying the Bible. The result is that the Bible is really only being used as a reference book. One can make the Bible prove anything used in this manner.

Maybe we can discuss this aspect first as it is so so so so common today to find MOGs (as they like to be called) spreading their peculiar doctrine thus

@Enigma:

I think they've realised their mistake and will avoid this space. Lets believe that is one misconception they had that has been corrected

I love to learn, Sir, and that is what brought me to the point where I am today.

My only condition is that we remember who we are and not "lie" or misquote deliberately. If one would rather stay in error, it is his right but to carry others along is not acceptable. I have posed some issues which you avoided/ignored. Start off your "tutorial" by answering them

[1] "Touch not My anointed and do My prophets no harm" was directed at heathens, not the children of Israel (Christians)! YES or NO
[2] Israel was meant to test its Prophets to be certain they were of God and more importantly, were telling truth! YES or NO
[3] The NT requests us to TEST ALL SPIRITS. These would include the Spirits in Pastors as well as regular Christians! YES or NO
[4] Jesus Himself said many who come in His name are fake and to be watchful! YES or NO
[5] Jesus said ANYONE who calls himself the Christ is FAKE! YES or NO
[6] God's Word supercedes the word/thought/dreams/revelations/understanding of ANY man and infact, is what we must use to determine if they are of right spirit! YES or NO

I await your responses, Pastor, keeping in mind the fact that you're a Christian, Servant of God and therefore unwilling to wilfully sin (lie)

Over and over, we come across "amazing" treatises on the Bible. People have found ways to ignore some portions of Scripture and quote out of context "preffered verses" to teach error as Biblical doctrine. The past has shown us such as David Koresh and Jim Jones (google these names for more information). Todays heretical leaders though are more refined, sophisticated and are eroding the message of Christianity. Whist the likes of Koresh wanted "souls", most of todays "Koresh'es" want your cash and mind

We hear claims like "I am Christ", "Faith can force God's Hand", "Claim it and its yours" etc.

Could we please discuss some of the more common ones and their postulators and the effects bothshort and  long term on Christians and those watching from outside?

I'd particularly like input from not only Christians on both sides of the divide but also from such as Krayola, MyJoe and Mudley - these are people who will offer a sincere insight into the effect these "claims" have on the way Christians are viewed.

^^^

Aletheia tried to show you the difference between the calling of specific people in the OT as opposed to the priesthood and calling of ALL Christians under the new covenant. I see his words were of no avail to you and your first statement shows this is all about "points" and winning for you. Sad! Where in the NT do you see the words OR idea of a "ruler" of your people aside the Christ Himself. If not having such evidence, then surely you are making this up as you go along, hoping on using sentiment and procrastination (with selective issues addressed) as a weapon. You forget sentiment was not an issue when Bears mauled 42 children simply because they insulted Elisha. Why then expect it to be an issue when you insult Christ saying you are Him.

You say Pastors are not to be touched - any scriptural guidance on that? Please do not bring "Touch not my etc" since we both know this was directed at heathen kings who wished to stop Israel getting to its God given destination. Funnily enough, it was the WHOLE of ISRAEL NOT TO BE TOUCHED, not the "pastors" alone! So when I talk, do NOT question me too!!

Pls remember that God told Israel to TEST prophets AND "kill" false prophets. So tell me then, how would they have been known to be false or tested if you say its anathema to question them? Are you not then actually saying "pastors are above God's law of testing ALL spirits? Pride, guilt and fear of discovery makes a man say "do not question me". If you are right, why are you afraid? If not afraid, why not come out openly and say "Hey, I hear people say I'm stealing money and turning people away from God with my messages. Lets settle this now so you know I'm innocent. Here's the books : I throw them open". I do NOT believe your pastor chris to be the devil or as bad as he seems made out to be here oftentimes but there are things wrong and those things affect God's Sheep. And you are saying "as long as its pastor chris, its fine". That Bro, is reprehensible, hypocritical and undeserving. You're putting a man before God's Word and God Himself!

Immediately after posting this response, I'm starting a thread on "Heretic teachings" like this "I am Christ" issue and the effect they have on their adherents. I'd be delighted to see the input of the mature people we see coming on NL more and more to counter these ideas. I also wish that you, Joagbaje, bring your "strong reasons". One thing I must say though in advance - I start to see that many (even long term Christians) started on the wrong footing and are legalistic and in error only because their foundation was based on this heresy.

Lets please try to provide as much incontrovertible evidence as possible so they find "nothing" to use as an excuse to stay in error. Aletheia's post above is a prime example of such incontrovertible evidence that forces a verdict against much rubbish/error.

^^^

Now that is scary, Aletheia. Forgive me but I actually tried to visit itanimulli.com wondering if you were joking or wrong

Things are happening!

Seems Joagbaje "knows" pastors and Robbers are synonymous

I actually prefer "that" interpretation to Aletheias'. Sadly, the Word of God is not for private interpretation so my preference won't count here

^^^ I'm guilty as well as I never thought that!

I clicked reply (not knowing Aletheia had replied) cos I was wondering why Joagbaje hadn't replied. In my Spirit, twas like "the guy is thinking, what can I say to counter this incontrovertible evidence".

Wanted to say "Bro, none of us is above being mistaken. What we must be above is the pride that refuses to acknowledge fault"

^^^ The result of careful sincere study.

Joagbaje, please consider the information above and DO NOT BE like the guy who said "don't confuse me with FACTS cos I already made up my mind"

^^^ unworthy of you as a Christian to look for "stilted way" to win arguments.

Situations differ and God is dynamic. Paul stating that he delivered Alexander to satan does not mean God gave Alexander over. Yes, it suggests it but can you prove it? But lets agree God did!

Paul rebuked Peter too! And that was Simon Peter (Cephas - the Rock). Would you then say he was anointed over Peter too? Please answer this as it is the heart of my assertion that God is dynamic.

We know on NL that you answer the title "Pastor", Joagbaje! Please then, put yourself in the position of Paul and put pastor Chris in the position of Simon Peter. Maybe before you ever heard the Gospel, he was a believer in Christ. "Maybe"!! !! Can you imagine supporting God so much that if your Chris says something wrong or does something wrong, you will REBUKE HIM OPENLY like Paul did Peter? If there is a nagging voice in you saying "NO", brother, you have a problem because what you are saying is that you place him before God. And thats my assertion here!

The above then, would infer that me, you, Enigma, KunleOshob or any other Christian "born again" 5 minutes ago has a right to "correct" OR "rebuke" any so called MOG just as Paul rebuked Simon Peter. Remember that it is today we "glorify" (please don't make an issue of this) PAUL. In the time of the Apostles, he was just a believer albeit very recognisable. It is his writings that have made him prominent today amongst us. He was accounted at least "equal" with Peter by the Word of God since we do not see a separation of "seniority".

What then, separates you from me or pastor Chris? Maybe MY or YOUR writings will be remembered long after his are forgotten!

As Always, my Oga Aletheia knows the place I was looking for but couldn't find. 1 Jn 2:27. Thank you SIR

@Joagbaje:

God's Word says you have NO NEED that ANY man teach you. For it is the SAME Anointing that teaches you of all things and all truth. It also says "you know ALL things" which I understand to mean that ANYTHING you have need of, that SAME anointing will make available to you. That God's anointing O, not pastor chris"T" or woli Kumuyi or bishop Oyedepo

For more clarity, the Word says God is no respecter! All are EQUAL though some may give more of themselves. However, why praise such (if you even know such) since they have a reward from their master?

Where you get your "postulations from", please let us know as Aletheia has asked above. What I find funny is that you guys think we hate you and servants (not servants: "gods" AKA MOGs, of God, not realising it is what these people are pushing and convincing you of that is scary.

Joagbaje, You know "Touch not my anointed" was directed at heathen Kings when Israel marched to the promised land. You also know prophets had to face the tests of the scripture and messengership in the OT from ISRAEL. But today when all are equal, you say some are CHRIST (teacher) and must not be criticised.

You negate God when you make yourself comnparable to Him
You drag Him down to "needing" faith and say once you have the same faith, you are as Him
You raise men to His status when you call them "teacher", "father" etc

but when we say it is wrong to stand openly against God's Word thus, dim "degbu" (in search of "prophetic" rewards and points under a testament of equality) appears to call us evil. You guys need to place God in His Place and return men back to earth!

@Joagbaje:

Basically then, what you're saying is that the "new revelation knowledge" you guys have informs you that Jesus was wrong to say "Only ONE Rabbi, Only ONE Father, Only ONE Teacher"?

Note that when JESUS said "teacher", He then went further to say the teacher is "THE CHRIST". If Jesus says the teacher is Christ and you say your pastor is "teacher", what/who are you saying your pastor is? Think about that and stop this idolatry. What you would be better served saying is that some have displayed/utilized their anointing more, not what you said

Glad you agree they are men and can fall into error. That added to the wisdom of remembering how we trusted the Swarggarts, Liardons etc before they were discovered, is simply why we say don't stand "in the gap" for any man. BTW, falling into error does not exclude the possibility of demonic pacts.

I read this and was scared at the duplicity - whist doing his own, Swarggart went after another till yet he too was hunted down. And these were BIG MOGs - QUOTE
In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip). These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a prostitute. Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying "I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgiveness."

Swaggart was caught again by California police three years later in 1991 with another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute
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from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_evangelist_scandals

ONLY GOD IS TRUE!