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^^^ Awww, now I have to cover my face with hand in shame for showing (according to the new teaching) that I'm mason and right in front of tv too. Sad!

Sincerely though, and this goes to those who matter (and they know themselves), not all is as it seems it is. Even when the odds are stacked that its true, our calling compels that we be certain beyond a doubt or risk failing God. Abi me too na Mason without knowing? Cos that was my point with the photo!

@Joagbaje:

You've read me here defending your guy for lack of sufficient information. With your last post, are you saying it is impossible Bishop Oyedepo is a "liar" as God's Word says ALL men are? All you're stating here is just that as long as its a known "MOG", they cannot be wrong. Would you have ever considered Swargart was "doing" prostitutes before he confessed? Would you have ever considered that Liardon was "doing" his worship (Praise the Lord, my arse hurts) pastor before he was caught out? Thats all we say - men will remain men, whether or not they sleep behind a pulpit and Jesus knew what He was saying when He said "Call no man Rabbi, Teacher, Father. You all are equal" (thats re-phrased O, before you go legalistic). Or would you say that where your pastors are concerned, Jesus was wrong?

Furthermore Jesus said "But you are NOT to be called Rabbi, for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do NOT call anyone on earth Father; for you have only one Father and He is in Heaven. Nor are you to be called teacher, for you have one Teacher, the CHRIST". The greatest among you will be your servant for whoever exalts himself will be humbled and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." Matt 23: 8 and 9

In effect, no man is more anointed than the other (all being equal in the eyes of the Lord) and only the Lord, the CHRIST is Teacher, Rabbi, Master and Father.

You however, may choose to stand against God's Word and call a human "the Anointed" or your "Father" in the hope of a "prophet's reward" Remember though, we are in the New Testament days and not living with Elijah. Enjoy your days 

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DAVIDYLAN WROTE:

I guess a lot of folks forget that the verse in particular was reserved for heathen kings and nations through which the Israelites passed on the way to the promised land. Some of the nations who dared disobey this command (the amalekites) payed dearly for it. However it is instructive to note that no such commandment was given to Israelites themselves concerning their prophets. Elijah had a good time slaughtering the "prophets" of Baal on mount carmel.

Scripture in the New Testament defines who the "anointed" are, and they are not a special class of teachers and preachers who are self-proclaimed to have a unique position in relation to God. The anointed are all Christians in concert as stated by the apostle John, "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. . . . As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him," 1 John 2:20, 27 (NAS).

False teachers and false prophets even attempt to circumvent that reality by claiming that they are not only anointed like every other Christian, they are doubly anointed, claiming they are twice as significant and important in the eyes of God as their followers, and then they claim that their ministry is anointed also. Perverting the Scripture in order to maintain their self-proclaimed status, they exalt themselves to a position which they do not have, and undiscerning Christians support them in their outrageous claims and in the process submit the Bible to the authority of their teachers instead of demanding that their teachers come under the authority of the Bible.

Christians are deceived by their false teachers and preachers, because they willfully ignore what the Scripture says, and as a consequence they deceive themselves, resulting in deception by others.

It is unacceptable to use 1 Chronicles 16:22 as a defense against speaking against teachers and preachers, because of the absurdity of taking that position. The prohibitions in the time of the Old Testament reveal the problem, because Deuteronomy 18:20 states that false prophets must be put to death, Deuteronomy 13:1-5 states that no one must follow a false prophet and that those false prophets should be put to death. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 states that even family members who teach false doctrines should be put to death. How is it possible that the prophecies and doctrines of prophets could be revealed to be false, or that they could be condemned to death, unless charges were made against them and their prophecies revealed to be false by a comparison with the Scripture? If no one spoke against the prophets, it could never be said that they were false prophets and no judgment would ever be applied against them, which would have been a direct violation of the command of God. Even prophets are not exempt from the scrutiny of their doctrines and prophecies through a comparison with Scripture.

Many Christians would claim that the only proper response to immoral and illegal conduct, and the false teaching of many Christian leaders, is not to confront it, but only to pray for those individuals. It is well that we should pray for them, but many Christians engage in pointless prayers by constantly seeking guidance, when it is already revealed in the Scripture and their prayers go amiss when they continue to support and accept leadership that is specifically condemned by the Scripture.

Many in the Christian world claim that Christians should simply be loving, caring, accepting and tolerant with no doctrinal differences becoming an issue. They would claim that all deviant actions of their favorite religious leaders should be forgiven and accepted with no punishment applied, even when no true repentance is ever expressed. However, that is a false application of forgiveness. Truly, the heart of the Christian doctrine is forgiveness, but it is forgiveness obtained at a terrible price, that being the death of Jesus Christ on the cross by which he took the punishment for sins committed by humanity. Who pays the price for the actions of false teachers, false prophets and immoral preachers, which Christians are supposed to forgive? It is those false teachers, prophets and immoral preachers who are then allowed to continue in their excesses without accountability and it is those who have been deceived, abused and robbed who pay the price, and will continue to pay the price because the actions will continue. Even forgiveness by God is predicated on repentance by the forgiven and not forgiveness with continuation in that which is to be forgiven. Is a murderer forgiven only to be allowed to kill again? The apostle Paul addressed the issue specifically, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?" Romans 6:1-2 (NAS).

What many Christians are advocating is not forgiveness, but sanction without discernment, which is a much different circumstance than forgiveness

Sorry bro, I can be slow atimes.

How does itanimulli.com become www.nsa.gov?

Deception is lying. So re-phrase your question - is lying a sin?

What are you talking about, Babaearly?

Meanwhille, forgive me, Zikky. Somehow, these people confused me to making out Zikky to be Zodiac61

Brothers:

Lets all just keep praying "there be peace in Jerusalem". The Scriptures have told us "let all men be liars and God be true" so nothing should suprise anyone with his head screwed on rightly about anybody be it Hinn, Copeland, Oyaketiyak or myself (joagbaje's newest mason  ).

Biomes2001, its obvious you believe what you write and honestly, I have no problems with it. But fairness says innocence till proved guilty. I cannot see any reason to doubt you BUT I also cannot see enough reason to convict him. What we all know is that if he indeed is anti-Jesus by being in this cult, it cannot be hidden forever. In such situation, my fear is for the "young in Christ" who will be affected by such revelation.

These, I pray for knowing theie sensibilities are already stretched far enough with the "name and claim 101's" etc.

Zikky:

My personal guy, don't mind me jo. I really cannot stay mad at Joagbaje for long knowing he's likely innocently deluded. Olaadegbu in his part, is seeking "woli" kumuyi's reward ( ) rather than Jesus' and I know Jesus loves him even if He doesn't like the wrong priority. That being so, who am I to judge? Make him no just do "righteous degbu" with me is my own. Meanwhile, how you dey and when are you coming to the side of Jesus? He really loves us all, you know!

Is the Abuzola on this thread the same as our favorite NL poster or just a pretender to the throne?

JUSTICE petres_bond has spoken and so what remains is for you, joagbaje to start begging or face the wrath of an "I AM" like "chris yaps".

Kneel down, face the wall behind you and recite "I will never insult my Mason Fathers, Masters, Rabbis, Teachers or Nuclearbombs again" 1000 times kneeling on one knee with one eye closed, one hand up (with Chris' sign) and one nostril working  . That last is particularly cogent for you seeing as your two nostrils obviously supply too much oxygen to your brain and I wouldn't want you choking on oxygen.

Seriously though, you guys lack imagination, tact, intelligence or even a sense of humor. How plead you?  

Oh My God  , I wish I was ready to disclose my identity online and record/show the way I'm laughing and rolling on the couch here. 

Let me confirm I'm mason by taking and uploading a picture of my hand in it like "chris curls". Done! Now, so me and yaps oyaks are "blood brothers" in the same fraternity of the freemasons. and you, dude are in trouble. I will tell my fellow dude "yakky yap-yap" to sack you or reduce your percentage of tithe from whatever it was to 0.5%. Or maybe we should just put you on a salary of 8K monthly seeing as your intellect is comparable to that of an Aboki nightguard.

Lets solve the problem, Mr Agbaje. Go and take an IQ test. I believe the outcome would likely be single digit  but if not, you can receive what 3 Abokis' get for night duty monthly.

That will show you "I AM THAT I AM" and not your mate since me and yakkety yak are on the same level.

Chei, Chukwudi (my brother from another mother), this thing pain you no be small O.

Three replies in like 19 minutes?

Maybe the guy's son or wife was despoiled by a "fake" "father". Whatever, the RCC seems quite tame compared to what we see outside it adays

@Jesoul:

I remember you once said we were like twins cos I said something you wanted to say. Today I feel like the black twin thats disgracing you! But these people ehn - na wah! Atimes I wonder if they ever read the Bible or are truly human. Is it actually possible Joe and De-Gbo-mouth are devices like the "terminator"? An amateurish re-iterative software running non-stop saying to them "make a fool of yourself"! 

I sincerely like both of them cos I think under it all, they're sincere but this idol thing amazes me. Joe's own is obviously based on cash (chris pays the piper thus dictates the tune) but "O-D-mouth" makes me wonder. Anyway, God help US ALL. Me too get my own!!!  According to Jo-boy and Olad, its only "yaps yaks" and "woli Kumui" that are perfect.

Gen 9:25 "He said, 'Cursed be Canaan', the lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers" Thats Noah responding to something wrong.

Exo 2:12 "Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyphtian and hid him in the sand". Thats Moses responding to something wrong.

1 Sam 15:33b "And Samuel put Agag to death before the Lord at Gilgal". Thats Samuel responding to something wrong

2 Ki 2: 24: " he turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the youths". Thats Elisha responding (I wonder what power brought out the bears) to something wrong

2 Ki 9:32: "He looked up at the window and called out 'Who is on my side'? 'Who?' Two or three eunuchs looked down at him. 'throw her down!' Jehu said. So they threw her down and some of her blood splattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot". Thats Jehu responding to something wrong.

You wanna hear about Elijah, Jeremiah etc?

FAST-> -> -> ->  FORWARD

Matt 21: 12: "Jesus entered the Temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the moneychangers and the benches of those selling doves." Thats the Lord Jesus (agbero like me ehn?) responding to something wrong. In His case, it was that they turned a temple (but affiliated to God) to a business center. In mine, its turning a jeri-curled dude to divinity.

Now you, Olaadegbu remind me of something Jesus said not too long after He did the above (which is worse than what I did) - Jesus said concerning you "Everything they do is for men to see. They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues, they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them "Rabbi"" Matt 23:5 -7

Then He tells ME "But you are NOT to be called Rabbi, for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do NOT call anyone on earth Father; for ou have only one Father and He is in Heaven. Nor are you to be called teacher, for you have one Teacher, the CHRIST". The greatest among you will be your servant for whoever exalts himself will be humbled and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Matt 23: 8 and 9

Olaadegbu:

I once told you you're dim and proud to boot. Can you see what annoyed me now in Jesus Word's above? Joagbaje calls Chris Oyaks "Rabbi", "Master", "teacher" and idolizes him in front of us all. Yet that is fine by you (oh yes, I now remember you too worship Kumuyi, abi, so its dog defend dog?) but its wrong when I follow the example of Christ and say its wrong.

I answered you here because maybe it will teach you to think before you post or to realize you have a lot of misconceptions. You might be seeking your mate's (kumuyi etc) reward, dear boy. I am seeking THE MASTER's REWARD. I do not need your approval but His. Get to terms with it as you kneel before your MOGs for prayer this evening.

Prophet MyJoe is still on NL? Strange, I coulda sworn you and Apostle Krayola were on Moses' mountain doing your 40 day empowerment fast! How's the Lord's anointing coming along these days? Cos I just dey sure - God seeks straight-people. What I don't get is how some like j-boy are on this side (z-z-la's side seems more fitting for them )

@Jesoul:

No worries, Ma'am. Chukwudi44 is my best friend on NL (after you, of course) so he'll forgive me for the truth.

Jesoul will have to forgive me here!

@Joagbaje:

Watch your mouth. Blaspheme? Because I speak about one swing-hipped fake-phonetics spouting likely homosexual mofo, you say I'm blashpheming? You don craze before abi you chop rabbit food with fried eggs?

WTF do you think your oyaks is? Greater than Peter when Paul rebuked him? Or that he is our high priest when the Bible says there is only one high priest in the entire priesthood of believers and that Jesus Christ? Where's the seniority in that aside your asinine grovelling for Naira's sake.

Men of God? And what am I, Aletheia, Enigma, you, Africankel etc? Men of bottles? Or men of plastic? Well, maybe you are a man of satan anyway. idol worshipper worshipping fake jeri-curls. Ode agbalagba!

Someone please warn this $%^@###.

@Joagbaje:

As much as I would love to relate with you as a fellow Christian, its sad that you repeatedly deliberately belittle yourself by considering yourself beneath another man and thus reduce yourself to his defense whether appropriate or not. Were it not this idolatry, you'd have seen the humor in my post. I was just jibing about the phonetics, jeri-curls and "properness" stuff. Sad. What it does show though, is that your "idol" does not see worship of himself as wrong. So why can't he be a mason if he allows you idolize him? Which is worse?

@Aletheia:

I am ready to accept the culpability of any man (including Chris Oyakilome) BUT WITH COGENT reason! Your last post (which I'm replying to) strengthens your case - that particular gesture shared with Lady Gaga is worrying. But is that enough? Thats all I'm saying! Petres said it best -"Conclusive evidence". What we have here is still in the realm of circumstantial evidence and we needs must be fair. Please remember - Many thought they were supporting God when they persecuted His prophets for doing things that seemed unseemly.

Actually, the more I read and reason, the less innocence I can ascribe to the gestures. Still though, conscience beckons - AM I CERTAIN? IS THE EVIDENCE CONCLUSIVE? I pray God provides something that will swing the vote to higher certainty. What we needs must ask now is if Joagbaje accepts that if Freemason, Oyakilome is not a Christian talkless servant of God. Then lets leave evidence to God

^^^ Ma'am:

I'm fine O, thanks. You nko? Yes, I guess he hates hypocrisy but really, the RCC has never truly hidden that they are more a political/financial/religious conglomerate than apostolic church. In that, they are much better than many of us with our posturizing.

Meanwhile, did you see the new claim that Oyaks is a Mason cos of some hand signals (new age teachings et al)? That and the re-appearance of Abuzola are whats on my mind. This section is about to become very interesting again

@Petres:

This your website is amazing, truly eerie. It claims Hinn, Oral Roberts and Copeland are Masons even calling Copeland a Master FreeMason. A lot of suspicious stuff there. Still, methinks it better to err on the side of caution

Aletheia & Ogajim:

Brothers,

You know how much respect I have for your views and opinions. In the case at hand, I see a lot of speculation and conjecture based on instances that could be purely coincidental. So my question - is there some other issue at hand or would you say anyone who does the closed index thumb ring is a Mason?

My first inclination was laughter as sincerely, in university, I was known for that particular sign and I was wondering - would that make me a Mason? The idea mooted is that it is in the press that these guys communicate which surely means the photographer and press-crew are also Masons to know what message the guy wants to pass across and do so. Not only that, but they would also of neccessity be divine seeing as they would have to know beforehand that he was about to make the sign so they could capture it then print it thus passing his message(s) to their fellow masons.

Chris Oyaks is quite a fellow but this starts to look like trying to give him a worse name than he had managed by himself. But then maybe there's something somebody is not sharing that I do not know. For all we know, being full of posturizing and affectations (I've wondered about his sexuality cos of the primping and perming and effeminate rubbish), Chris could just have seen world statesmen making these signs and wanting to "feel among", have started doing same. There is that tendency to put yourself in trouble when you use another guy's watch to kee your time

^^^ J-Love, You took the words right out my mouth as I came in here to ask what the RCC has done to him.

More importantly, its not just the RCC that has issues - WOFers believe they are god, anglicans are joining cults and "crowning" lesbians as bishops and pentecostals are saying tithes are the only way to Heaven. Jehovah's witness "babes" (very often here in Ibadan) leave the Kingdom Hall "Conservative", go evangelising and return home "Liberal" and nine months later enter "Labour" .

More and more, I feel the right thing is to pray for the Body of Christ as its rather obvious the enemy is who's really on a rampage to discredit the Personage behind Christianity.

Olu, ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. The RCC is not immune to that statement!

I could have sworn I've read these passages and yet never seen the connection to the subject matter nor understood the respect the Apostle Paul had for Pentecost.

Paul wanted to be in Jerusalem for Pentecost? Even if not to celebrate, definitely he acknowledged its significance.

It all just shows the shallowness of these people who whist in the same "never noticed the above" (maybe never read it even) state that many of us are and willingly accept, run full blast to display an imagined superiority that only proves the claims they make are false. Humility would have so well served Joagbaje here - as it is written "Pride goeth before a fall"

@SpoilSport DeepSight:

My delusions are mine. My understanding of them and their effect in my life keep me in check against many vices I used to have that I've been able to cast off which has made me a better and more valuable person to/in society. Why you are the one using Alabukun for MY headache puzzles me.

And your sudden care and protection of the Almighty is laughable. This Creator you negate by turning Him into a math equation, by stating He basically is a joker who created and now sits laughing at our antics, by going against all laws of His, has suddenly become so dear to you that you need to protect Him from such as me. Bro, na wa O.

BTW, anytime this Jesus whom you revile has to wear a personality or effigy of semblance, he loses part of the totality that comes from absolute freedom of encumbrance. So He would again be limited. These things are readily understood by "renewed" minds and are a bit more complicated when primary focus is in protecting physical gratifications and arguing finer points of "interpretation" rather than truth.

Africankel:

I have quite a number of staff - some are very individualistic and some very herd-like. They copy all they see me do. I discourage it vehemently. With your pastor chris, we see pastors jeri-curling their hair. We see hand gestures and behavioural characteristics that mirror him in your members. We even hear the phonetics and language forms he uses. Granted that he may not overtly be implanting these in their psyche, his position as a leader in CHRISTIANITY informs he ought remember Jesus is the standard, not himself and discourage it AT ALL COSTS. You tell me - does he? The "ALL THESE PEOPLE" I mentioned are the ones swallowing his vomit and regurgitating such as gospel here, not everyone on earth.

You, I find difficult to believe are in that system - why? Your lingo is different, you are individualistic and you obviously reason for yourself etc. Be sincere - when you sit in the congregation, what proportion do you see like yourself? If you have less than 95% being like yourself, something is wrong because 5% looking at the pastor rather than Christ is not a good reflection of the value system of Christianity. The Apostles who walked with Christ feared above all else, that they be glorified or raised above even the lowest of believers. So who's his mentor?

[size=5pt]I said 5%! I dey craze? maybe more like 75%[/size]

See what these deluded WOFers are causing? Now even KunleOshob is comparing Jesus to Joagbaje. Abi when you say Jesus is a god because He is a son of God and that makes Him God YET you separate Him from the "father", what say you to their concept that we are "gods" being "sons of God with Christ being the first-born". This argument shoots yourself in the foot cos basically what you have just said is that Jesus is ONLY God because He is a son. But you and Joagbaje are also "sons" therefore you are gods and therefore "God" following your line of reasoning. Not so?

Have you considered this import of your statement? For today, you show yourself a WOFer with your argument and our resident pastor must now be thinking all he needs is to get you to accept tithing too (maybe you'll be CE treasurer).

What we say on the other hand is that Jesus, the Father and the HS are co-equal. And I believe it was Jesus who spoke to Moses and showed him His similitude on the mount. To come down into our midst for the purpose of redemption however, He of neccessity SET ASIDE THE GLORY and came down in a "limited" form. Jesus, WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING THEN, agreed that IN HIS LIMITED STATE, the unlimited Father was greater. Let me compare this to the time when He spoke of the Pharisees and said they tithe mint and cumin leaving aside the weightier matters. Then He said "these they ought to have done without leaving aside the other (i.e. tithes)."

YET YOU, Kunle, understand that at that time, Jesus had not yet been crucified and nailed to the cross the ordinances of the law. So you won't accept that statement to support tithes. SAME HERE. Jesus had NOT yet returned to FULL GLORY and thus was less than the Father who stayed in fullness of glory. Now that He has returned, its co-equality.

The icing on the cake is Petres_James_Bond's post above: There is ONLY ONE God. so its either that Jesus is it or not. How you can say He is a God but a lesser one in the light of the stated scriptures, I do not understand. Remember Moses "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One God". So please enlighten us on this "fact" that there exists more than one God as you have said. And please don't bring "revelation knowledge" or "baby teeth" into the matter except you're actually multitasking and Joagbaje is one of your aliases.

This is the one issue I have tried over and over to put across to Kunle. Lets see again

@Kunle:

Imagine God telephoning you. You hear the voice but are not conversant with the face behind the voice. Then imagine Him coming to your level as a man (which because you are human has to allow you "understand". Then imagine Him sending you a user-manual. The voice is the Father whom you can only imagine but cannot fully conceive. The human is a physical representation but cannot show ALL the Glory and Power and Might FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY AND because there was another more cogent reason for Him showing than behaving like our MOGs of today who show to "impress". The user manual is the Holy Spirit.

Where you have a problem is in accepting Jesus saying "the Father is Greater" and indeed, IN THE FORM THAT HE WAS at that instant, the Father (being inconceivable) was greater than a dude everyone was looking at. But you forget that He DROPPED the Human clothing and returned to the Fullness of His Glory. At that point, co-equality again became status quo.

If He had not dropped the "Glory" and became "less", would any of us be calling on Him today? Think it through, brother!

My Bro:

You present a seemingly strong case. BUT I dare say almost any well known figure especially one as well photographed as chris oyakilome will at one time or the other enter one of these poses you've shown above.

Again I beg you to check the history of my posts and see I have a marked aversion to much "rubbish" I see in the Christ Embassy doctrine and for which I blame its "owner" - chris oyakilome. But all the above just shows a guy preaching, gesticulating etc. He could be saying "one God" when he points a finger up. He could be waving when the picture shows him palm out. He could be contemplative when he clasps hands together.

Is there any real evidence aside pictures that could be explained away by such as the above?

on second thoughts, I did a google search for freemasonry signs of recognition and there is the similarity. That however, does not mean chris oyaks is a mason. I have practised now like 5 times since I read you in preparation of becoming a world leader and am not one so, (maybe oyaks wants the tithes of heads of states so he's wanting to convince them he's one of the boys).

Any other proof?

baiting DeepSight, ehn?

how's my son-in-law doing?

Joagbaje:

Thanks for the prayer. God will forgive me, a simple sinner. It is you that are a god and perfect. But I'll tell you this - Pride, arrogance, and a superiority complex is what makes you feel yourself in a position no one else is in. It is sad considering what you claim to be and a pointer to the falseness of that assertion.

There is no Christian (whether milk, leather or iron teeth, as you like to say) who cannot separate between pentecost's proper practitioners and the Christians who received the Holy Spirit during that celebration. Chukwudi44 asked a simple question directed to sincere readers, about the relationship between the Christian movement that started out on the day the HS descended DURING THE FESTIVAL of Pentecost and you "god-men" claimers (as Aletheia would put it - name and claim 101ers). But no, you had to show the "shallowness" of your shallowness by changing it to "pentecost is paganism" and "I don't know what WOF is". "Analytical" most kindly went further to help pull you back gracefully but like the tortoise who refuses to return home till disgraced, you continued on your path of self mockery stating you've studied all he said (master know-all).

Your last post discusses the "days of ignorance". ol'boy, you are permanently lost in those days and are not likely ever to find your way out if you don't know Apostolic Christianity as it obtains today started during Pentecost when the HS came upon christians and they spoke in tongues. That simply, guy, is why its called pentecostalism - symbolic and fitting since thats when speaking in tongues started as a manifestation of believership. But then, why would you understand seeing as your control software doesn't allow reasoning?

@biomes2001:

My posts will tell you I'm not in support of pastor "chrisT's" style. However, these pictures you posted  How do they pass across the Freemasonry thingy you claim here? Are you saying ALL world leaders are in the freemasons and are new-agers?

Sorry but this seems far-fetched to me - could you please give more concrete reasons for your assertions?

as for me, I'm gonna go around flahing that sign. maybe chris will dash me 10 million bucks believing I'm his fellow mason or better still, I might be renamed goodluck jonathan seeing as all heads of state flash that sign

@Africankel:

what you seem to have missed is that all of these people are an extension to pastor "chrisT". They are simply pre-programmed devices running a very old fashioned version of COBOL. All the program does is replicate pastor chris words, style and even jeri-curls.

Thats why he's confident it is wrong since he knows the software does not carry an algorithm that will allow such a statement. Problem though is that there was another master programming earlier (God's own) which may be causing confusion and bringing "heretical" code up.

Joagbaje:
Jesus didn't raise Lazarus because his sister gave him perfume, Jesus raised Lazarus because he loved him . That is what [size=13pt]pastor Christ[/size] teach.

Why are you people over and over making what you keep calling a "mistake" that makes a god of your pastor?

I don't know why you guys are suprised at Joagbaje's statement - remember he is a pre-programmed human and there's a remote control somewhere. Chris (who holds the remote) says he is not a Pentecostal and that Pentecostals basically are people who follow what is generally accepted unlike himself who follows the truth. In his words QUOTE "they have not done enough study"UNQUOTE. Since he's not involved with pentecost, why would you expect him to know anything about it.

This is just a "superiority complex" thing (I know more than them and have thought clearer about the matter ). Unfortunately, the myopic bent of this reasoning neglects to see God's grand design - would the Holy Spirit have been better served coming in the wilderness in the middle of the night, for example? Thats why they miss the significance of the timing and so, you cannot too much blame them.

Better just to leave them to their imagined "superiorities"