₦airaland Forum

Aufbauh:
Point of order: there are no indigenous Igbos in Benue rather you have indigenous Idomas/Igalas who were erroneously carved into Enugu state.

Be well guided!

In a public forum, don't just type whatever you like. Always cross-check what you want to say before posting.

These links below is for you.


http://thenationonlineng.net/agony-igbos-benue/

https://www.nairaland.com/2015869/agony-igbos-benue

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/weekend-mag/ties-between-idoma-igbo-border-communities/123971.html

ogasexing:
All I know is have been paid four times now, they are genuine and they pay, period. Your opinion is in your pocket.

All those Nairaland admins working for GHW should grow up, they even ban the use of their name here..

Rocheepp Pays!!

Please any group chat? How can someone join?

Joenyam:
Good question. The Federal government should allow journalists to question them.
Suggestion: Two or three girls should be interviewed separately, at the same time. Believe me, their narrative will be completely different.

I remembered way back, two colleagues snicked out of the school compound, they weren't caught but a staff alleged to have seen them. They were both called before a disciplinary committee and interrogated, but they vehemently denied. They were asked to leave. The next day, they were again summoned but this time one after another. The first person went before the panel, after much scrutiny he was taken to another room to wait alone, the second came in, he was asked to give a detailed account of his crime because his other partner had told them everything and will be given a lesser punishment, they lied. The second divulged everything meanwhile the first stood his ground, so they were caught and severely punished.

Perhaps, this principle can be applied if the government is sincere.

Your story reminds me of 'Game Theory' in a course titled 'Operational Research' during my undergraduate studies.

Nice one!

For those requesting Source: http://dailypost.ng/2017/05/03/lagos-not-belong-yorubas-oba-akiolu/

Op add this link to your post.

I learnt a lot from this

Op! Keep it up.

You raised an important questions, but I don't think these questions should bother anyone at this stage.

We know that actuallizing a country comes in many phases.

For now I will say that IPOB is still in pre-1st phase (that's making their intention know publicly).

After that comes Referendum (2nd phase). On successful completion of the Referendum, will the issue of constitution, economic plan, Election processes arise (3rd phase).

This is my opinion.

Op! Which one is Agbor man and Igbo man again? Is there any different between them?

Those indigenous shoemakers can't compete with Chinese. Chinese normally do mass production.

So their coming into Aba shoemaking will definitely send the indigenous shoemakers packing.

The governor would have find a way of modernising their production processes.

I heard that Anambra governor is building a shoe village, there as I learnt are thousands of shops to be own by each shoemaker but at the end of the day, all their various outputs will still be harmonise as if it's coming out from one company.

I think Anambra governor is trying to provide a better working environment for shoemakers in his state while at the same time, creating more jobs by making every shoemaker be his own boss, encouraging more indigenous involvement in the shoe production etc

BUT Abịa Governor is just interested in attracting foreign investors into the shoe making market while creating jobs by making people salary earners rather than being their own boss. Definitely indigenous shoemakers can't compete Chinese mass production. I wonder what plans he has to caution the effects this will have on those indigenous shoemakers.

MsRoe:
There's....
I saalachi, I boolachi, I teene (don't know spelling, but means: you done wake?)

Nice one dear.
Let's educate most Igbos here.

I have been using OCR both on phone and laptop for over 2years now. It's really useful.

For computer users, try Abbyy FineReader OCR. It's the most accurate among all OCR I have used.

Igbos are just shouting ụtụtụ ọma up and down, does it mean that our parents doesn't greet before the advent of the English people in Igbo land?

Where are Igbo historians?
Where are Proud Igbos?

I know English people just taught us ụtụtụ ọma. We have our greetings before their coming.

slowbreeze:
Otutu oma in Igbo...
sometimes I boola chi..

Nice one dear.

I bọọla chi, ị pụtakwara ụra or other Igbo dialects

ụtụtụ ọma is just Igbo translation of 'good morning'.

Most Igbos here are just shouting ụtụtụ ọma up and down forgetting that our grand parents in the villages use to greet each other before the advent of English people in Igbo land.

Kudos to some Abịa and Ebonyi guys that gave us their dialects.

Igbo na-asụ n'olu n'olu!

Politicians!

Virtually all the quotes are hunting them now.

The most funniest thing is that some people are still expecting something positive from them.

Can we see the face of both hands.

Politicians and lies!

Though I'm not doubting his simplicity. He's a very simple man.

YelloweWest:
Resistance from who

Cos we Ikwerres don't want to be called Igbo. We are now part of the Niger Delta. You can't force us to be Igbo

Then ask your kinsmen what they're doing in Ọhaneze ndị Igbo forum.

Also who are the Niger Deltas? It's so funny how hard you are trying to carve an identity for yourself. You can't deny your origin. Even if you succeed politically, you can't succeed otherwise because your origin is you, you can't deny yourself.

clevadani:
Not all tribes can be influenced. I have no idea why you think I am countering your assertion because of crude oil. I just stated my opinion.
You are not even making amy sense because I consider delta Igbos as Igbos. States are just political separations. Tribes will always identify with each other irrespective of their states.

Bro I never said you're countering my opinion because of crude oil. I was just pointing out some of the genesis of Igbo Rivers being Igbo or not.

All these noise is just for a political gains. Ikwerres hold major posts in Ọhaneze ndị Igbo forum. Have you seen an Ijaw man or Yoruba man holding post there?
Their non political elders know their history and identity.
Moreover, apart from Ikwerres, there are other Igbos in Rivers state.

Lastly whether Rivers Igbos deny being Igbo or not is non of my business. I was only trying to point out that no matter how hard you try, you can't change your origin. The person or groups may succeed politically, but can't succeed otherwise.

[quote author=AwiLand post=55957228][/quote]Bro you have said it all.

Don't mind all these people trying so hard to decisive themselves.

clevadani:
I have seen people bearing Hausa names and they aren't Hausas. You should know that larger groups influence smaller groups especially when it comes to language.

Why haven't the Igbos influenced the Igalas in Anambra state both in languages, name bearing, traditions and cultures?

Tomorrow if crude oil is discovered in Igbo part of Benue state, you guys will start telling us that they are no longer Igbos.

majekdom2:
Oga, I explained my point earlier... there are yoruba communities in edo and delta. It won't make any sense saying these guys are Ijaw or whatever... it's a minority of that region. Say 0.01 %. Same with you mentioned above It's simply as a result o crossborder relationship. It's totally different from the case of Rivers where a majority of the people are being called Igbo. See, these people have their own tradition and culture. It will only be sensible if we let them and not force them under one ethnic group because of language and names.

No body is forcing them under Igbo, their non-political elders know that they are Igbos. That's why they are now part of Ọhaneze ndị Igbo and even holding various major posts. All these noise about them being Igbo or not are just political.

Go and study their history, traditions and culture, after that study Igbo traditions and culture in general.

It will also interest us if you can prove to us here how these villages and towns came about bearing Igbo names (and still naming their children Igbo names till today), same traditions and cultures and yet they're not Igbos.

majekdom2:
Nsukka is in Enugu- south east, that's Igbo. Ikwerre is in Rivers- south south. Oga it is well defined. Thats the Nigerian system and what we are working with. Ikwerre's tradition is totally different from Igbo. Does any tribe in Igbo forbid sex on bare floor?

Based on your reasoning, does it mean that the Igalas in Anambra state are also Igbos? Since Anambra-State is in SouthEast. Lol. Oga your reasoning eh! Lol.

Go and carry out research on the history of Ikwerres. History is the best proof.

Again all these noise started during and after the civil war just to survive.

They are coming back to their senses as many of them now attend and hold post in Ọhaneze ndị Igbo.

majekdom2:
have you lived in both regions. I have and @ bolded you are wrong. Their Norms and values totally differ... infact very obvious difference.

Lol! I'm living in Afghanistan

What you're saying is just like saying an Nsukka man is not an Igbo.

majekdom2:
Names and language alone don't define an ethnic group. Do they dress like Igbos, do they have special dishes that's similar to Igbo. What are the norms and values of these people, are they similar to that of Igbos. These are stuffs you should ask yourself. There is a community that speak yoruba and bear yoruba names in Brazil. Will it be fair to call them yorubas??

If names of persons and towns doesn't define people living in a particular area, what then defined them?

Talking about norms and values, go to these Igbo villages in Rivers you guys are calling non Igbos, their customs and traditions are the same as Igbos of the Southeast.

All these noise of "I'm Igbo and I'm not Igbo" from the Igbos of SouthSouth are the negative effects of Nigeria civil war.
Even some SouthEast Igbos denied being or identifying themselves as Igbos just to survive during and after the civil war.

How can you prove to me that a community with 90+% of Igbo names and languages including customs and traditions are not Igbos?

From the names you listed above, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17, and 18 are all Igbo names.

Anyone with a different views should tell us their meaning in Ijaw.

Note: it's not a fight o. So don't use abusive words when countering my views. Many are here to learn.

anochuko01:
Jesus himself was here observing people's MONEY.
Mark 12:41-44 The Message (MSG)
Sitting across from the offering box, he was observing how the crowd tossed money in for the collection. Many of the rich were making large contributions. One poor widow came up and put in two small coins—a measly two cents. Jesus called his disciples over and said, “The truth is that this poor widow gave more to the collection than all the others put together. All the others gave what they’ll never miss; she gave extravagantly what she couldn’t afford—she gave her all.”

This is a SPIRITUAL matter here, it goes way beyond ordinary card. this is the CORE value WINNERS church is known for; TITHING! you shouldn't expect anything less.
Bishop's car once had a flat tire, next thing he asked his driver was ''are you sure you're a tither?!''
its more than the money bro. its deeper than that.

Very funny!

Jesus watching those people putting in their offerings wasn't to judge them but rather to teach His disciples 'sacrificial giving'.

Jesus called His disciples over to Him and said to them, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury; for they all put in out of their SURPLUS, but she, out of her poverty, put in ALL SHE OWNED, all she had to LIVE ON" (vv. 43–44). That is 'sacrificial giving'.

He never asked his disciples in that passages to always compel or use cards to mark those paying tithe or giving offerings.
The passage you quoted above doesn't justified using tithe payment as a criteria for employment.

Concerning your story about a bishop with a flat tire asking the driver if he's a tithe payer, why didn't Jesus asked his disciples if they are tithe Payers when their boat was in danger of sinking? (though this doesn't relate to the topic being discussed above).

anochuko01:
brother, this isn't judgement naa.... its a simple thing. ''bring your tithe card'' it happens EVERYWHERE. even Jesus said ''carry your cross and follow me'' ''give what belongs to Cesar to Cesar''... that person is only pained. if I seek for job in Islamic school and they ask me to come with my Quran, ''tesbau'' and co, would it be right for me to complain? let's reason naaaw, ah!

Bro it's a pure judgement. Any church asking anyone to bring his/her tithe card is to judge whether the person is paying tithe or not.

Your quotation about Jesus saying "carry your cross and follow me" doesn't relate to our subject matter unless if you can explain.

He never ask his Apostles/Disciples to go about cross checking those giving or not giving Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

We're not comparing Islam with Christianity.

Judging if a Christian is paying tithe or not is unbiblical and unChristian and using it as a criteria for benefits of any kind in Christian organisations are wrong and should be condemned.

anochuko01:
wait till day of judgement... you'll know.
chaff and wheat dey grow together now, everybody dey talk as dem like.

Then let all these churches leave judgement for God. God didn't instruct them to judge people either through tithe payment cards or any other means. The function assigned to them by God is to spread the God's Gospels across the earth and not to compel anyone to keep God's commands.

Payment of tithe should be between the person and his/her God alone. You dare not judge whether anyone is paying tithe or not.

Adaowerri111:
Read your bible sire, there is always a condition

So punishment for not paying a tithe is to deny people an employment opportunity? And God gave them authority to punish those that disobey God's words?

Bible reader! If God should deny us opportunities in life, who will be alive?

The owners of all these churches (the so called Pastors) are still alive today not because of their righteousness or keeping God's instructions but because of God's infinite mercy and grace.

If God should apply the same conditions they (Pastors) are applying to people, what do you think will be the result?

Moreover why on earth should there be a card for marking tithe payments? was it also stated in the Bible? Bible reader.

Adaowerri111:
Good prerequisite, that's how they want to run their skuul, if you can't obey God go work for Buhari

If God decides to run this world with a condition, who will be qualified to live?

rotexsky:
The said 100 million as stated here is not to be paid by the surety,it is only to be paid by the surety if the accused person jumps bail otherwise the surety will arrested and prosecuted,it seems a lot of persons in this forum do not actually know this

Sincerely, many people both here and outside this forum doesn't know that. That shows the level of educated illiterates we have in this country.

The early Christians was known for charity. The pillar of Christians' success then was charity. History books told us that the pegans was all amazed that these people called Christians are helping each other. The Apostles and disciples of Christ all practiced charity. But todays Christianity is totally different that sometimes I ask myself are we still practicing the same Christianity the early Christians practiced.