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i hav just a lil question, if d ecks can always travel to d heavenly realm when they wanna,why travel back to this satan ruled worldwhy not stay there & experience God fully witout problems, instead of comin bak to get sick,face our stupid 9ja politicians,experience earthquakes n accidents, , i mean this earth was created for man,why travel to experience God and then return, it makes no sense, u gotta choose where to be,

While i love preachn its important we take d heart conditions of people into consideration, d truth is if Jesus existed on earth today he wil never preach out loud in buses, he will not face loud speakers to d publik to disturb d peace of others while tryin to dispense his message, infact Jesus was against showy preachins and prayers, he condemned d pharisees who did that, always wantin to pray out loud for people to hear in publik places, there are guidelines and principles guidin christianity,but many jus dont want to follow it, in a bus filled wit muslims,traditional worshipers and atheists it is best we use discernment in tryin to spread d gospel, it'l make more sense if 1 singled out an interested person in d bus n start a discussion and makin sure it doesnt disturb others,just as Jesus tactfully spoke to d samaritan woman by d well, rather than shoutin n prayin in a publik bus, that constitutes to nuisance,
The truth in watever way we try to preach d word let it not end up bein an object of abuse and a stumbling block to those who wuld rili wanna listen, lets be tactful, this is to all professed christians

to all who quoted from d new testament of Jesus sayin he has come to put divisions in family and d rest, what did he meandid he mean that those who became christians wuld bring out knives n guns to fight there families?not at all, he was only sayin many even family members wil hate an individual for embracin christianity & dat wil certainly cause division, thats why Jesus said any who has left family & material thing wil get it back i much fold if they followed Him, and ofcus it did happen, d Jews killed many christians after Jesus death and also did d same to d apostles n early christians, and it baffles me wen u rush to quote scriptures like "Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the
earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
, Jesus was jus sayin in symbolic terms that he has brought d sword of d truth, when sword is used in d christian greek scriptures it denoted "words of truths", becos even d Jesus himself never held a sword for d 33 and a half years he stayed on earth, compare ephesians chapter 6:17,
Jesus always led by example, Jesus never even ran for political position let alone start a war or fight a physical war, he wasnt even a patriot of d Jewish land or nation, and as he rightly answered pilate"my kingdom is no part of this world", so hw culd he encourage a physical war for christians to fight, wen ever Jesus talked about wars here on earth that christians are to partake in it was always a spiritual 1 , it was never physical wars,
tel me if the whole of quaran can admonish or foster tenets as these::
Romans12:17, return evil for evil to no one,
1corinthians4:12, when been reviled we bless,when being persecuted we bear up,
1timothy 2:24, but a slave of God does nt need to fight,bt needs to b gentle toward all,
2corinthians 10:3&4, for though we walk in d flesh we do nt wage warfare accordin to wat we are in d flesh, for d weapons of our warefare r not fleshly,bt powerful by God 4 overturnin strongly entrenched things,
Ephesians6:12, becos we hav a wrestlin not against flesh n blood,but against d govts,against d authorities,against d wicked spirit forces in d heavenly places,

True christians are taught not retaliate wen been vilivied & reviled, we view reproaches wether verbally or physically as persecution, and so we endure no matter how pushed we are, true christians r nt suppose to go to war becos we are to be no part d world just as Jesus did,
It is true that false christians later arose and engaged in physical wars which definitly was against d tenets Jesus taught, u hear of d crusades n some false religious clerics that suported d world wars, all those werent obeyin Jesus bt there own selfish desires for blood and power,
, so never did Jesus ever encourage wars, infact if d whole world were to strictly live by Jesus words then we wuldnt hear of wars, imagine admonisions like turn the other cheek, where in this world wuld u hear such, if everybody turned d other cheek we would never hear of wars of any kind,
So never shuld any muslim misquote Jesus words,because Jesus never went to any wars @ his time, and his disciples followed his teachns and examples, imagine d apostles bearin under persecution, no reason warranted them pickin up arms to fight bak becos they were been pushed to d wall, rather they endured down till there persecutors maimed them and even killed them, islam can never teach that, and like some1 earlier answered christians r nt under those physical laws God earlier gave to d isrealites, we are now under d law of the christ, the laws to d Jews had flaws and has been perfected by d blood of Jesus, so u can quote frm d old testament to prove ur points on wars becos God fought 4 d nation of isreal back then but that doesnt apply to christians anymore, b, eacuse we r not bound by the law, goin to wars,makin animal sacrifices,observin d sabbath,
Are all gone for christians, thanks!!!

kj_hova:
[td]If only we practice the injunctions laid out by our various holy books, our society would be a reflection of our lives. Sadly we are with our various faiths trying to cut our nose to spite the face.[/td]

No sir, If we follow the injunctions of these "holy" books, we will be worse off! Take the few injunctions below from the bible as example:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them." - Leviticus chapter 20.

"When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property, " Exodus chapter 21.

If we follow these and many others in the bible or quran, we will kill homosexuals extrajudicially and not only hold slaves, but beat slaves to pulp as we like. Religion is for fools as fools are for religion. The most religious societies are usually the most inhuman. Currently, Finland and Australia are reckoned as the most Atheistic nations on Earth yet life is fair there. Afghanistan, Yemen and Nigeria are among the most religious and we are at best slightly better of than field animals.

Lol, so u tink finland n australian filled wit atheist is now normal, and a fair nation?, uh?, just please tel me which christian principle which if practiced leads to ones detriment?those laws u quoted from d old testament are laws to d isrealite as a nation not to christians, God doesnt deal wit a special nation anymore
Jesus taught
"turn the other cheek"
"he that kils by d sword dies by it"
"do not return evil for evil to no one"
, tel me if d world applied such principles that we wont xperience peace n serenity,
Just knw d moment people dont apply these admonisions is wen they xperience failure,

brainpulse:
GEJ : Hmn i av learnt so many skills to fight you, for the last time i say surrender

BH : no retreat no surrender part5, sho u no get the liver ( boko clears his throat and spat)

GEJ calling Anyim to join hands to fight the battle)

Ayim : Oga pls i have new yam festival to attend

GEJ calling Abati to join hands to fight the battle)

Abati: Oga who will tell the story now? at least let me be the one to narrate the story

GEJ calling patience to join hands to fight the battle)

patience : No i dont want to be a widower u Know i was already a widow

BOkO: ( BK charged the bomb ready to explode it again)

Gej : I beg u no i no get shoes b4, the litle one wee i try buy abegi no small am nao, i begi, bro Boko haram in the lord

All of ona don crase finish, hahahahahaha, so patience na widower b4??lwkmd ooooo, too funny

First, the Bible says that God is the source of life. (Ps. 36:9) Life did not arise and cannot arise spontaneously from lifeless material. This is in complete agreement with scientific laws and experimental tests. The laws of statistics, the law of entropy, calculations from thermodynamics and kinetics all converge on the conclusion that spontaneous generation of life cannot occur. Older reports of spontaneous generation are given no credence since the experiments of Pasteur. In controlled experiments, it just does not happen. Examination of soil from the moon and chemical tests on the surface of Mars verify that life has not arisen on those planets.
Secondly, the Bible says that every living thing brings forth its own kind of offspring. (Genesis 1:11, 21, 24) Neither the evidence from paleontology nor experiments in breeding or mutation have ever been shown to refute this principle. Fossil remains from ancient geologic strata of species that are still alive are identical with present-day forms. Wide diversity within a given kind may appear both in nature and in breeding experiments, but in no case does it ever pass beyond the limits to produce a new kind.
So wats d point?, there is a creator up there that started life and everytin living, so atheists beta start respectin Him, he created u & me that is why we can pro-create, got it?

wirinet:
Numo86, you got everything missed and messed up. I know it is due to mental conditioning, it is impossible to reason outside what you have been indoctrinated with since you are a toddler.

Since you find the word chance uncomfortable, then change it to probability, it should make more sense. So we can now say you came to the world as a result of probability. The probability of you coming into the world can be put at 1billion to one, but when you consider that an expulsion can release up to 10million Spermatozoa in a single session, then your parents only need a few sessions to achieve that probability. Same with life, even if the probability of life evolving out of non organic materials is 1billion to one, it has had over 4billion years of trial and error.

Everything you perceive as design today is just a state of temporary equilibrium. It will change tomorrow and new equilibriums(designs) would arise, like patterns on a sand dune.

How can you believe we came from dust and will return to dust. We have nothing in common with earth dust which is mainly composed of silicon, we are carbon based and have no silicon in out bodies. And when we die it is bacteria,worms and insects that would consume our bodies(if you are not cremated) and recycled to be used by other living things.
If you are talkng of star dust or star gasses, I would understand.

Werent u indoctrinated tooare u d 1st atheist to exist, ?some1 did convince u to hold on to what u believe, even some sincere great scientists hav come to agree wit d fact that man and life did hav a beginin and that a supernatural being is behind it al, how much experiments hav u as an individual carried out to prove your stand as an atheist, we r all on 2 different sides tryin to prove what we believe in, bt ofcus it will take u more than forever to prove humans evolved, becos d evidence is all around us, and when d bible says we were made from dust its nt exaggeratin, let me define dust in its entirety, dust are fine particles of matter,light enough to be raised & borne easily by currents of air, volcanic eruptions,fires,& agricultural activities are among common causes of mineral dust, vegetable matter produces dust in d form of pollen,molds,plant fiber & seed parts, animals also indirectly produce dust,resulting from dried dung,fine hair& bacteria, So physically we are dust, its a scientific truth, all d elements of which d human body is composed are to b found in d dust from d ground as earlier defined, an adult human body is 65% oxygen,18% carbon,10% hydrogen,3% nitrogen,1.5% calcium and 1% phosphorous,wit d remainder been made up of other elements, so we were made from dusts, and to dust we'l return, silicon is not d only dust we have as we know, d soil & d dry earth too is dust, God created d soil too, so we are dust and wen u die u decompose to 1, :-), and symbolically wen we return to d dust it shows sign of lifelessness as d dust from which we were made, so both ways we are dusts and returnin to it,
And i can recall u said "Everything you perceive as design today is just a state of temporary equilibrium. It will change tomorrow and new equilibriums(designs) would arise, like patterns on a sand dune.",
So your stil waitin for things or humans to evolve, u'l wait till u grow grey and die and so will d generations of atheist continue to wait, mayb your thinkin pro-creation of living things in there various kinds will stop to give way to evolution, u must be mistaken, wen that happens meet me in d next world to tell me, becos its never gonna happen, even u are nt a product of evolution, u are an evidence of creation, cant u just see that, ?

@ramalot, oh!!, so u knw how u came into existence, u talked about hw ur parents did concieve, thats nice, i thought u wuld hav given d credit to chance, or i thought u wuld hav said d ability to pro-create came by chance,
, and why shuldnt i dabble into evolution so that i can help u see how jejune u and your crew has been,,,,,if i thought of a God to explain d intricacies of d universe & living organisms isnt that reasonable, ?, that there is some1 supernatural who has created d heavens & d earth??, than for your crew that attributes all of it to a mere chance, thats why i was wonderin why u didnt come by chance,
And i can see that u all still hav limited knowledge, and gues whatyour knowledge n d knowledge of all atheists and evolutionist will continue to be limited until u come to agree that there is a God behind all of this beautiful creations,
D bible says even forever cannot help us know and understand all of Gods handiwork, u just hav like 70or mayb 60years more to live, and u'l expire and turn to dust as genesis account tells us and u'l nt even get to know 1/1000000000000th of Gods knowledge n wisdom and his creative works,
A day will come wen all evolutionist n atheist will come to a stand-by and concur that there is a creator, @ least we all hav seen evidences of pro-creation and hav come to appreciate it, but none of your kind has seen anythin evolve, when will things start evolving??, where is d evidence that evolution ever took placeyour d blindest of all groups of people, ATHEISTs, followers of a mere man made of dust called darwin, a man dat has expired wit all his brain cells dead n gone, i'm waitin for his dead carcasses to evolve

@ramalot, and mind u God doesnt threaten us wit d lake of fire just as a parent might threathen his kid wit 1 penalty or the other, our obedience to God is our choice, nobody is forced, kids who r under age that live under there parents hav no choice bt to obey there parents wether they r threatened or not, but as humans we hav a choice, just as u'v made ur own choice to deny ur maker, and watch out, there's a penalty for it, wether u serve God or not we all will face judgement, so get ready!!!u can wallow in ur "no God" theory, u'l meet him someday, and keep evolvin until mayb u turn into another creature, dnt get old, where is ur darwin that started this whole shit!!!isnt he dead.??, he culdnt even live for as long as d universe has lived, dusts makin mouth,

@ramalot, so if u think i dnt hav an evidence, do u have 1 to prove ur blind concept of chance??,
And mind u d lake of fire signifies total destruction, and God wont allow badness forever for ur infomation, God as d supreme bein will end all wickedness by destroyin wicked mankind, he has every right to set laws for us, and no 1 is compelled to serve him just as ur kind, he has set blessings and maledictions, its up to each & every1 of us to choose, if i choose to obey God to straighten up my ways its for my own benefit, now i see d minds behind d practice of homosexuality & lesbianism, if Gods layd down principles tels me not to engage in immorality and i obey its for my good, but wen lawless persons choose to disobey they automatically face d penalty of what theyv done, even as u are there denyin God there r certain inherent principles that guards, and that is ur conscience, u knw stealin is bad, even humans made of dust, govts set up penalties for people engage in serious crimes, let alone d creator of d universe, i wonder why ur not a terrorist or armed rubber or a rapist??engage in such acts & see if d human governments we hav wont lock u up in jail, there must be a penalty for every action we take, God as d supreme ruler has every rite to deal wit wicked persons, it doesnt show he is wicked,it only shows he is just and righteous and principled, ok??, and i want u to answer dat question i asked u, did u evolve or was pro-created by ur parents??answer,

, @ramalot, when d bible talks about FEAR it does not signify morbid dread for Him or that humans are to fear God like d way we will fear kidnappers and terrorists, the Fear that is d beginnin of wisdom is the kind that makes serve God from d heart, (revential Fear), Fear accompanied by love, fear of not wantin to displease God, its d same kind of fear kids hav when they obey there human parents, its not that d parents are ojuju,but as we knw kids fear there parents by not wantin to hurt there feelings by disobeyin there rules, and i knw as u grew up u had that fear too, and it is that fear of God that keeps us in check, it guides our thinkin abilities and our actions, and guess what that fear is for our own good,
And since u doubt Gods existence i'l like to ask you, does TIME have a beginning?get me an answer,
And u talked about lightnings and thunders, since u say we created God i wonder who created u, sometimes i wish ur parents were atheist so that u wuldnt be here commentin on nairaland, i wish that they believd in evolution,so that they culd hav left u to starve waitin for u to evolve into super man, i wonder why u had to be nurtured in ur mums womb for 9months, i wonder y u didnt evolve straight from d gorilla u were thought u came from, or fall down from no were like a meteor rock, ur there talkin about d lightning and thunders wen u have urself as an evidence of Gods handiwork, examine urself and tel me u evolved,

@all4naija, i understand were ur comin from, actually false religion today has added so much fuel to atheism, becos many hav actualy mis-interpreted d bible to suit what they want to believe, even some things that r not there in d bible false religion incorporates them, i'm not a creationist but an ardent bible student,
The 7days of creation arent literal 24hours day as many wil think it, like u said u grew up in a christian home, a thousand day to us is as a day to God, our time and Gods is not d same, definitly all God created didnt take a day to form, or literal 7days, and remember d bible uses symbols to represent or butress a point, as regards hell as many think of it ,its not how d bible realy xplains it, hell is d comman grave of man(sheol or hades), i believe u know that,
U cant stay bak there and hold on to scientists and there findins while u leave behind d creator of both d scientists and d universe, its unthinkable,
the consciences each and every human has where do u think it came from?our ability to reason and use our thinkin facaulties were did it come from,
And also u cant comprehend d future of those who serve God becos u dnt believ in him, i mean what does d future hold for humans?what does atheism teach about d future, i knw deep down they yearn to live forever, that thought too was implanted in us by our heavenly Father,

@all4naija, have u actually seen anythin evolve since u were born??@ least u had a beginin and didnt jus fall from d sky like a meteor rock, u stayed in ur mums womb for good 9 precise months just as God designed it to be, and after been concieved u started growin up,ur level of reasonin starts increasin and then u grow up to an adult to speak against d God who made it possible for u to breathe, now i see, just imagine if ur mum doubted Gods creative works,starved u after givin birth to u,expectin u'l evolve to a clark kent, i believe u'l be here on nairaland disputin Gods existence??abi,
There's this question that no atheists or evolutionist has been able to answer and until they all grow grey and die they'l never get d answer just becos they dnt believe in God,
And d question is:::::ARE HUMANS & ANIMALS EVOLVING OR DETERIORATING
IF TRUELY wE did evolve from i dont knw where as u'l put it why do we degenerate when its time for old age, get me a scientific answer, since u'v discarded God,

@all4naija, i understand were ur comin from, actually false religion today has added so much fuel to atheism, becos many hav actualy mis-interpreted d bible to suit what they want to believe, even some things that r not there in d bible false religion incorporates them, i'm not a creationist but an ardent bible student,
The 7days of creation arent literal 24hours day as many wil think it, like u said u grew up in a christian home, a thousand day to us is as a day to God, our time and Gods is not d same, definitly all God created didnt take a day to form, or literal 7days, and remember d bible uses symbols to represent or butress a point, as regards hell as many think of it ,its not how d bible realy xplains it, hell is d comman grave of man(sheol or hades), i believe u know that,
U cant stay bak there and hold on to scientists and there findins while u leave behind d creator of both d scientists and d universe, its unthinkable,
the consciences each and every human has where do u think it came from?our ability to reason and use our thinkin facaulties were did it come from,
And also u cant comprehend d future of those who serve God becos u dnt believ in him, i mean what does d future hold for humans?what does atheism teach about d future, i knw deep down they yearn to live forever, that thought too was implanted in us by our heavenly Father,

@all4naija, please if u can get a bible, i knw u dnt hav 1, but for d sake of this discussion find 1 and open to isaiah chapter 40:22, there isaiah long b4 scientific advancement was inspired to write that d earth is circular, can u beat that??u might say its a coincidence as usual, but as we all know its a fact, scientists argued blindly for years sayin that d earth was flat, but they ignored Gods word that had already known d shape of d earth witout any experiments or travelin to outer space,

Job 26:7, there God thru inspiration told job and as it is penned down that d earth is hangin on nothin, but ofcus atheists n scientists since they wuldnt concur wit d bibles writings stuck to d fact dat d earth was on a giant sea turtle, not until they traveled outer space to find out that d earth was floatin in space,

with these long written facts why shuld i keep followin scientists that base there facts if there are 1,on guesses and hypotheses, , i'l stick to God who created everytin,
Please read those scriptures,

@all4naija, its not becos of what d writer said, its because i believe there is a supreme being, like i asked, the galileo u talked about wasnt d 1st to knw that d earth was spherical, through inspiration isaiah and job who r bible writers had long ago with out d use of periscopes and a space ship percieved d earths shape and its positioning, i asked u if u'v ever come across those bible verses, i'l like to show u, @ least i'v got a proof, that a book written long b4 scientific inventions explained accurately about d earth

elliottibanga:
''The Earth is firmly fixed; it shall not be moved." - Psalms 104:5

This bible verse shackled the minds of men for thousands of years, and held back the advance of science. When Galileo proclaimed that the earth was spherical (not flat) and rotated upon its axis and the sun, he was threatened by the church and told to recant his ''blasphemy'' or face torture!

Technologies like GPS Navigation, Meteorology and Satellite Communication Systems are proof that today's Scientific endeavors will lead to tomorrow's common sense.

Religious beliefs and doctrine have always thrived in the gaps of human and Scientific knowledge. But worry not my friends the gaps are getting smaller!!!

hey!!!, dont misunderstand or rather mis-interprete that bible verse, when psalms says the earth is fixed and cant be moved,he meant that d earth will not be made to totter or be destroyed , he meant that d earth wil stand to times indefinite and will last forever, hope u get that point, b4 galileo ever thought about d earth bein circular d book of isaiah and job had already told man long in writing that d earth is circular and is hangin on nothin, i doubt u'v come across those scripture, science is learnin from Gods creation, dont ever think science can out - do Gods knowledge, if u ever think dat way then u better do a brain test, the air planes we see today,all its principle of flyin were gotten from d birds in d sky, man can only manufacture from Gods creation not from an un-imaginable source,

my point is why should i not believe in a God who centuries ago gave us advanced knowledge and a book b4 even d scientist he created started thinking, why wont i believe wen d bible gives us evidence about Gods existence, i know many atheist doubt d bibles authenticity as well, b4 advanced technology came into play it was this same scientists and atheists that argued that d earth was flat and was hanging on d back of a sea turtle, just because they had limited knowledge they assumed all that and threw away what d bible said about d issue, while centuries ago bible writers who never had a space ship to travel outer space,through inspiration by Gods holy spirit could tell that d earth was circular and was hanging on nothing, all atheists please find a bible if u dont have 1 since u doubt everything from God and open to isaiah 40:22, and job 26:7,
My point is how did both job & isaiah get know all of this accurately,& penned it down centuries b4 space ships were invented, is that not prove that a supreme being,the creator of d heavens and earth gave them those details?, and those same scientists or rather atheist still want to argue or doubt Gods existence, what other proof do u guys want, d bible says just as d heavens are higher than the earth,so also Gods knowledge & wisdom surpasses ours,

just because u hav limited knowledge doesnt mean God doesnt exist, its not everything humans can get to find out & fathom,

Down till today as we speak atheists and evolutionist cant decipher why instead of humans evolving we are deteriorating,
The bible tells us why,but atheists cant tell us, i want to see that atheist that will tell us that he is above old age and death, i believe they'l be doin research on that all to come back to d same point, THERE IS A SUPREME BEING that created all things, we can never get to understand Gods ways, so stop findin out Gods beginnin because there is no startin point, we are mere dust with limited knowledge, if scientists want they can produce n manufacture all they can both good n bad, bombs,airplanes,ships and so on, when its time for God to bring an end to all knowledge n works counter to His mayb thats when y'all will know there is a God,

nobody has actualy replied my posts, i will ask the atheists here, if ur kinds that dont believe in God make us believe some scientifical facts although also based on assumption and hypothesis why cant we believe that a powerful supreme being created d universe, ?, it baffles me to see how scientists arduously study d universe and life here on earth but @ d end of d day give d glory to evolution, they end up worshipin d created rather than d creator, your claims for God not existin is inexcusable!!!!, God is just everywhere, electricity we all want to be in our houses is sometin we'v never seen b4 wit our eyes, but we feel it, i want some1 to reply,

: (1) Time. No one can point to a certain moment as the beginning of time. And it is a fact that, even though our lives end, time does not. We do not reject the idea of time because there are aspects of it that we do not fully comprehend. Rather, we regulate our lives by it. (2) Space. Astronomers find no beginning or end to space. The farther they probe into the universe, the more there is. They do not reject what the evidence shows; many refer to space as being infinite. The same principle applies to the existence of God.
Other examples: (1) Astronomers tell us that the heat of the sun at its core is 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (15,000,000° C.). Do we reject that idea because we cannot fully comprehend such intense heat? (2) They tell us that the size of our Milky Way is so great that a beam of light traveling at over 186,000 miles per second (300,000 km/sec) would require 100,000 years to cross it. Do our minds really comprehend such a distance? Yet we accept it because scientific evidence supports it.
, so if we accept scientific findings,tho sometimes sounds outrageous why doubt Gods existence and his having no beginnin, if (time) has no beginnin and end,then why on earth will little humans made of dust question Gods leaving from time indefinite to time indefinite,

what realy do atheist believe in?i wanna hear an atheist tel me, and lets start from there, becos as we all knw wit our common senses, the way a new born baby or a 2year(infant) old cannot fully grasp all d ways of his parents,so also as infants in Gods eyes we cant understand his havin no begginin, imagine some1 who created d heavens d earth, d more we try to deliberate on this issue d more we'l never get answers, questions like this are beyond us no matter what we think, we all grow old and die, no human,no scientist has been able to stop that and here are atheist tryin to find out who created God, u'l all turn to dust in trying to find answers, always wanna joke with d creator, u can doubt God for all u can but a day of reckoning is impending, wether y'all like it or not you'l knw a supreme being definitly exists,

my problem wit africa, children children children, and if they dnt get it,they wana die havin it, smetimes wen we hav tryin circumstances God can give us d strength to endure, he can (1), either solve d problem, (2), give us d strength to endure it no matter what right down to d end,
D problem wit many in 9ja is that they feel God must solve there temporary problems all d time, if that is d case then why do we still need heavenif God wil always miraculously & instanteneously solve our predicaments when ever we want him to, no matter how we look @ it d life we live now in this present world is temporary, we cn never hav it all health wise,financial wise,and what have u, we cnt hav unlimited breakthroughs in this short lived world, even d apostles had to cope wit certain ailments until they died as matrys, and most times we allow our problems overwhelm us that we forget dat we still hav enough to share in Gods work, we get overly anxious,which Jesus never encouraged, if d apostles continued preachin with sicknesses & defects what stops us from doin d same in these end times filled wit uncertainties, nigerians dont mistake God for a magician or a gini, many hav misplaced faith and thoughts, now d woman is dead just tryin to get a child, who wuld we blameGod or d woman, make ona dey hear word oooo,

i'v always told people that until we bomb all d generators used in d government buildings and offices we'l never see electricity, they wil never take it as a serious issue, or better still we all connect electric lines to all d government houses so that we all enjoy n suffer together, i'v never seen a country as devil ruled as nigeria, now i knw when satan fell down from heaven he landed 1st in 9ja, crazy psychotic rulers,

is money never enough for this foolish politicians and there colleagues, why are nigerians so money loving??imagine some1 that has gone to d best of schools,had served as a minister b4 this time,but still continues to steal , and then later many will call it Gods blessings, i so hate nigeria for its hypocrisy and materialistik spirit, 20million euro house, wether this source is true or not we all know what our politicians can do, especially the ones in charge of petroleum issues, i just wonder d kind of deals goodluck will be havin wit this woman, nigeria is finished,

ITbomb:
if u were a catholic go there, I found out 70% of converted JWs were from catholic and I their articles those converted one spend half of their time bashing vatican city

femi4:
"I and my father, we are one and no one comes to the Father except through me"
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life."
"In the begining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God"
"And the word became flesh and make his dwelling among us,full of grace and truth."
Finally, you can read 1st Jn 5:7 to understand the mystry of trinity according to John beloved

1john5:7 mentions 3 witnesses, and what did it mentionspirit,water and d blood, king james is givin u anoda meanin, calin d father,d word & d holy spirit, i want u to also read from other translations, i hav 3 translations with me and renderings, how does that define trinity?, hope u read verse 8 of it to see d three witnesses mention there, read down verses 10&11, there stil tels u that d father & son are different persons and nt co equal,
Now lets define d oneness christ talked about @ john10:30, let me ask u to xplain this bible text. Recorded @ matthew 19:4-6, what does it mean for a husband n wife to be 1 flesh, does it mean d woman is co equal to d man or the man himself,since they r even to become 1 flesh?i quoted 1corinthians 11;3 to show d hierarchy of headship startin from woman to man to Jesus to God almighty, oneness does nt indicate bein co equal but shows d relationship Jesus had wit his Father, they were always in agreement, no day did Jesus rebel against Gods arrangement, then how would u explain the oneness d same Jesus talked about @ john17:20 & 21, this scripture should clearly explain and help change ur view as to oneness weneva its used in the bible, i quote "i pray that they may all be 1, Father!, may they be in us,just as you are in me & i am in you.may they be 1,so that d world will believ that u sent me", these are words from d mouth of Jesus, if u want to explain oneness from d human standpoint and d trinity perspective then u might as well say we all are part of the trinity with God & Jesus, you can as well change it to billionity , d truth is before u make conclusions on doctrines its better u fully read other scriptures so as nt to be confronted wit contradictions, Jesus used idioms,hyperbole and even illustrations to drive home points to his listeners, let me also tel u dat d bible explains itself, all u hav to do is read it over and over again nt holdin to a church tradition, thanks, and gather as much translations of d bible as u can becos u'l need it, Jehovahs witnesses do a lot of research work to make sure of d things we believ in & to make sure they conform wit d bible, i just want u to pik up another translation and read that 1john5:7&8, please do ,,,thanks bro

my problem is just hw quik d present prosperity teachn clerics forget what Jesus himself taught,
Jesus said things like **it wuld be easy for a camel to pass through d eye of a needle that for a rich man to enter into Gods kingdom, Jesus also said that we cannot slave for 2 masters,we cant slave for God & riches, apostle paul thru timothy warned that those who love money and d desires of this world are headin for destruction, also d apostles also warned that those who r determined to be rich fall into temptations dat plunge men in destruction, the wisest man solomon also gave timely advice on how material things shuld be viewed, what God assures us of as true servants of His is our basic needs not material wealth, sometimes i ask if d 9ja pastors are d 1st sets of men of God dat ever existedwerent d apostles d pace setters of christianity, how did they live there lifei can sincerely tell u all that they were poor people materially but xtremely rich spiritually, but that is not d case today, why will all d general overseers and co pastors be rich?why?it only tels us 1 thing, that they think godly devotion is a means to financial gain, let all of us read 1timothy6:5-10, if Jesus was on earth today he would have wiped all these prosperity pastors with koboko becos they teach opposite of what he taught, imagine d apostles not wantin to put expensive burdens on d christian brothers back then,rather they toiled day n night wen they were favorably disposed to work, and so d apostles were tent makers,fisher men and engaged in menial jobs to suport themselves & also there fellow brothers amongst them, the apostles took d lead in giving rather than recieving, read acts 20;32-35, but today d pastors do d opposite, they tell there followers to sew in them,
And today d clerics eulogize corruption thru d politicians,
They practice exactly what Jesus condemned, they give d rich and famous and thief thief politicians front special sits to sit down ,while d few followers who try to obey Gods word sit down on relegated sits, read james2:2-9,
What about d pastors today gatherin names for themselves and love to be called prestigious names by there membersthey like to be called daddy,Father and so on when Jesus @ matthew 23:5-12, jesus said we shuld call no earthly man daddy or papa or father in d religious setting, rather all those titles belong to God and his son,
D truth is even wen many read this scriptures & see d churches doin d opposite they feel they cnt ask questions or uphold truths, biblical principles guide true religion not what our imperfect heart thinks is right, Jesus d former of christianity has laid down specific instructions,do' &dont's that each christian shuld follow suit, so if we'v decided to follow him frm d heart while nt keep up wit his legacy??, a runner does not dictate how a competion shuld go, he doesnt dictate d rules in order for him to engage in a race, rather d body in charge of d competition gives d rules n regulations, any 1 who wants to run must abide by those rules if nt u cnt even qualify to run, so it goes wit christianity, d bible is our blue print, why try to practice d opposite tinkin Gods grace wil cover it uplets be careful

freecocoa:
@ All thank you for your contributions,I'm putting many things into consideration,well I never knew about the trinity part and if any witness in the house can break it down for me,I'll be most grateful,

The trinity teachin stems from d pagan worship of gods in triads and never has a biblical backin, d question 1 shuld b askin wenever a doctrine comes is where did it cme fromwhats its origindoes d bible support it??what did Jesus teach about itwhat about d early apostles??, the truth is wen u read d bible u'l independently even cme to ur own conclusion dat God,Jesus & d holy spirit are nt part of a trinity, that is why it becomes a mystery to d originators of d doctrine , if Jesus himself never taught such teachns why are his followers propagatin it, even isaac newton after readin d bible clearly concluded and i quote "that trinitarians are idolaters for worshipin 3 gods", i'm gona quote scriptures u can read and see what d bible rili teaches,
**GOD IS NOT 3persons in 1
Deuteronomy6:4
Malachi 2:10
Mark10;18
Romans3:29&30
***Jesus was created,God was alone b4
Revelation 3:14
Colossians1:15
Isiah44:6
***Jesus inferior to Father b4 & afer comin to earth
john8:42
John12:49
**obedient on earth,his Father greater than him
John14:28
John5:19
***even wen exalted in heaven Jesus was still subject to his Father
Philipians2:9
1corinthians15:28
Matthew20:23
****Jehovah is christs head & God
1corinthians11:3
John20:17
Revelation1:5&6
*****Gods holy spirit is active force not a person
Matthew3:16
John20:22
Acts2:4,17,33
***holy spirit not a person in heaven wit God and Christ
Acts7:55&56
Revelation7:10
****those servin God today as humans recieve & are guided by it
1corinthians 2:12&13

All these scripture negates d doctrine of trinity,
It is simple 1+1+1=3 not equals to 1, and ofcus Jesus never taught it, please read those scriptures,

kabasa77:
If you want to Join the witnesses,its totally your call but i will like point out some of their doctrines to you

Firstly,they do not Believe in the Divinity of Jesus saying that He is one of the Chief angels,that he was created by God thereby rejecting HIM as God,Secondly they also do not believe in the Trinity,thats God the Father,The Son and The Holy Ghost
Also the reject the whole concept of heaven and hell.

And also that the Holy Spirit is not a person but an 'active force' which is pure blasphemy, God forgive them

Lastly they believe that heaven is meant for only 144000 people,meaning we are all damed

And that the world came to an end in 1914,

But one thing i do admire about them is the Brotherly love they share apart from that they just dont entice me


If you want to join any church,please do join the Seventh Day adventist, am not a member oo but their Doctrine is sound and you can google more about the Witnesses,and decide
Thank you

Can u realy and explicitly define d word trinity, just humbly do that, lets start from a poin, 1st of all dat word can never be found frm d hebrew and greek scriptures, and the xpression"God d father,God d son,God d holy spirit" can no where be found in d christian greek scriptures or d old testament, that expression is what makes trinity d teachin it is, :dat is why many who believ in d trinity cannot help bt conclude dat it is a mystery, becos they cant relate it with d bible, even Jesus himself never taught d doctrine"trinity",
The trinity teachin purports that the 3 persons involed are co-equal, does d bible teach that, does the bible teach that God(Jehovah),Jesus Christ and d holy spirit are equal with 1 another in rank,power and abilities, lets critically look @ what Jesus himself taught not what men teach, lets here from d bible, and 1 thing wit d witnesses is that we read d whole scripture to arrive @ a profound conclusion, join me in lookin @ these scriptures and see if it supports d trinity doctrine,

John14:28, Jesus there emphasized d fact that he is goin bak to his father and that d father is greater than he is,
John20:17, Jesus told mary that he is returnin to"my father & there father,my God & there God",
Jesus and all of us share d same father & God who is d almighty, Jesus never for once argued over who was greater, he respected & worshiped d same God that created both him and all of us,
1corinthians 11:3, apostle paul was inspired to write that d head of every man is Christ,in turn d head d woman is d man,in turn d head d christ is God,
Do u see d hierarchy??,
Then lets see what d apostle also said @ phillipians 2:5&6, altho Christ existed in d image of God he gave no consideration to a seizure,namely he shuld b equal to God, Jesus never had such thoughts of bein equal to his father, that will mean rebellion and presumpteousness,
remember d trinity teachn wasnt a doctrine dat existed wit 1st century christians, not until after d deaths of d apostles it became a doctrine, the apostles of Jesus were never trinitarians, Jesus himself never taught anytin close to bein part of a trinity, even pre-christians were unitarians, they believed in 1 God & dat never changed wit d rise of christianity, if u are catholic u culd get to a catholik encyclopedia and do a research on hw d teachn started, servants of God never worshiped gods in triads, it was in paganism dat it was rampant, lets read more scriptures, 1corinthians8:5&6, that scripture defines Jesus christ & Jehovah(God almighty) as seperate entities and it also taught oneness of almighty God,
Now what about d holy spirit
The holy spirit even disqualifies d teachn of d trinity, "3 persons in 1 God", the holy spirit is and was never a person, Jehovah & Jesus christ are spirit persons with there personalities , but d holy spirit in d bible has never been a person, and everytime isiah saw in a vision d glory of d heavens he only sees 2persons, he always sees Jesus sitin @ d right hand of his father(Jehovah), d holy spirit was always poured on people,served as a helper,came as a dove on Jesus, but never was it a person, and nt part of a trinity, and mind u we respect Jesus as d only begotten son of God his father & d saviour of all repentant mankind,and as our lord, he is d king of Gods kingdom,
, let me stop here for now, let me here ur response,