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My bro u just said it all...ur on point!!!!
I myself still ask tithe payers who they think are d levitical class today....and who is d high priest.....
Jesus is now our high priest and never for once did he receive tithes even when he was on earth....
I also ask:::in the past tithes were paid to d levites(ushers,singers,servers,and other workers in d temple), who in turn paid to d high priest..why don't d choir groups,ushers(who are now ladies wearing mini skirts),piano player and drummer boy all receive tithes if they wanna strictly go by d tithe rule??
Why only oga pastor receiving tithes
These questions pastors never bother to answer,but they rather will continue to milk there members dry....
I'v even forgotten prayer warriors,who r usually d poorest amongst them all....

@jenwi....lol...d truth is God doesn't waste his time on answering d prayers of those who r so ambitous while there r more important things to consider...
Nigerians always feel that God answers all prayers especially when it comes to acquiring wealth..
They forget that even atheists and juju worshippers can as well win d world bank presidency election...

How is it Gods business that she becomes d president of world bank or not
Millions of kids are starving in war torn areas,many are down with illlnesses,many are being killed due from d oppression of the rich..God hasn't answered all d prayers of those innocent victims na ngozi becoming world bank president na him go concern God??
God has better things to do

@sally...who told u I'm one??:-)...
I am speaking from my own research and observance....
Human traditions shouldn't be inter-played with bible standards and traditions...that's my belief...
Any normal bible reader should understand where easter came from....
Even a traditional worshiper knows...
So stop the being witness or no witness crap....
Meanwhile wey all d meat u abandon on good friday?bring all of them to my house asap..lol

Chukudi my freind.....the name easter is d name of a pagan goddess..I wonder why I shuld celebrate a pagan goddess instead of commemorating d last supper...
How do they even relate
Eaostre and the last supper,,,
Check ur bible well...
:-)

@chukudiii....
D day Jesus instituted d memorial of his death was on d passover day which he himself celebrated with his 12 b4 dismissing judas and then told them to observe that occasion continually........have u forgotten
The question u shuld have asked is if I celebrate easter...
What is easter?I guess mayb Jesus did that too.......
The whole easter ish is just way off d scriptures.....
Like I told u simple instructions u guys barely follow....
I dnt observe easter...I am a bible student....
I'm always ready to learn frm the scriptures nt traditions of men....
@ least I can prove d date frm d jewish calendar and frm d bible when Jesus and his apostles both observed d memorial of his death...
But u can't prove urs..
Right from d good friday to the name easter,abstinence from eating meat on that day and to all d symbols attached to d easter celebration...

Mr chookudy....
When did Jesus celebrate d passover??if till date as a professed xtian u don't know d passover date as recorded in d bible then u need to re-access ur christianship....simple basic things u guys ignore but hold on to traditions of men...
Do u tink Jesus just celebrated d passover on any date just like d way u guys choose dates arbitrarily to suit pagan and human traditionsJesus was organised and ofcus followed godly principles....
Please read ur bible very well and dnt tell me about being educated with cathokik traditions...
I respect d bible nt traditions of men.....
How can Jesus death be celebrated on every friday yearlyis that nt childish
Imagine u celebratin ur birthday on a particular day of d week year in year out while d date which marks a commemoration is forgotten.....
Like I said I respect d catholiks ....bt when I see white I can't call it black...

Sorry to say this to all catholics but I think something must b wrong with u guys.....
How come is Jesus death day still being celebrated on a friday year in year out....must his death day always fall on a friday to start with...
Everytime u guys allow ur traditions to crowd out Jesus commandments....
Now what is good friday??and when did any friday become good?......
Traditions of men are 5hit compared to what are layed down in d scriptures...
I can't believe that u guys can use logic to escape from this whole abstaining frm meat and good friday issue.....Jesus instituted the memorial of his death d same day d jews celebrated d passover(abib 14) becos he is now d new passover....
Would u guys tell me that yearly d jews waited for fridays to celebrate there passovers(good friday)or did they stick to abib 14 and d day it fell on??
A celebration as important as d passover has its principles penned down in d scriptures and all u guys say is that its not all what Jesus did that was recorded in d bible....what about d 1's that were recordedhave u guys finished obeying them?Jesus told his followers to commemorate his death on a date not on a day....to even obey dat is a problem to u guys....
Simple instructions u guys can't follow even when its written down bold in d bible.....
Doctrines involving Jesus and Yahweh are all strictly written in d scriptures not hidden...
Not 1 thing is hidden frm us so that we start instigating our own traditions to see if it'll be approved by God...
Eat meat/dont eat...fast/dont fast......church traditions has made it a command for all there followers to obey such man made commands ,tieing it to Jesus death,when d master himself never gave such injunctions.....
This was d same problem Jesus had wit d pharisees...
They allowed there own traditions to crowd out Gods own principles and commands there enslaving sincere worshippers of God....
I respect u guys(catholiks),but d truth has to be said

@bibiji...u remind of those isrealites in jeremiahs day back then who paid tithes to dubious priests thinking they were doin the right thing,......
Even when they knew d priests who served in Gods temple were so bad and materialistik they still went ahead to pay tithes and offer animal sacrifices...guess what!!!!
God did not even pay attention to them....
If u tink becos u pay tithe to some business tycoons and that no one should say anything then u might as well really ask ursÉlf if ur service to God is whole hearted and free from blemish....

@image123.......I asked a question that many haven't answered.......can or .would oyedepo ever have d freeness of speech to give upbuilding encouragement and stern admonisions from d bible as regards material things...can he
I mean being wealthy is 1 thing that would make many not survive Gods kingdom,and oyedepo knows that but will run away from it......
From Jesus statement only an infinitesimal number of rich persons can survive Gods kingdom.....
These pastors milk there members dry to build schools,buy airplanes and jets and own mansions.......things that will all be destroyed when Gods kingdom comes....
Tell me if oyedepo does not remind u of that rich man in Jesus illustration who always thought of expandin his business forgetting that an end is imminent....don't these pastors ever get it........
Its always about money!!!!!.....its too bad

Lol.....what did dbanj perform??
Then after d performance dbanj was reprimanded by oyedepo for wearing bling bling..
If I abuse d church now e go be like say I sabi talk....
but I ask if these churches are rili where people serve God whole heartedly or just social clubs where immoral and ogboni people climb up stage to show them wealth and fame...
Trash!!!

Na mumu fit kill these prosperity church goers in naija....
I'm rili tired of nigerians being so docile and jejune....
If till now many can't understand how to view material things and how God views it then I think sometin is wrong with many...
Imagine christians when wanting to quote servants of God In d past who were wealthy they go all d way back to d old testament,forgetting d new testament that rili concerns us.....many mention david,solomon kings who had no choice bt to be wealthy...they forget to talk about d priests and levites who served in d templ,if they were rich or not...they forget to ask if any prophet of old was wealthy....(Samuel,jeremiah,obadiah,hezekiah,danieal etc)....
We are talking about oyedepo who is neither a king nor a governor,he is suppose to be strictly emulating prophets,priests of old and d apostles of Jesus and Jesus himself....
How can oyedepo have d freeness of speech to repeat Jesus words regarding acquiring and storing up wealth here on earth and loving money,when he himself is so materialistic and ambitious??
How can he sincerely tell his servants that it would be easier for a camel to pass thru d hole of a needle than for a rich person to enter into d kingdom of God,when he wants to own all d business empires in d world?
Does oyedepo realy and actually believe that an end to this materialistic world is imminentdoes he realy believe in the heaven he talks about
Oyedepo reminds me of that man in Jesus illustration who expanded his business so well,breaking down his old store houses and building bigger 1's forgettin that he's life can end anytime or that Gods kingdom can meet us chasing material things....
I can't believe his apologists can't see anything wrong in what this man is doing...some are even claiming that God told them to take over d world..which world??a world where satan rules....todays christians are deluded...so deluded!!!!!

Gods kingdom will soon crush all these human governments who have all been destroyin this earth aÑd its inhabitants 1 way or the other....
This includes d nigerian government,the us government,the chinese government,isreali government too and all govÉrnments formed by man.....
For all those who keep praying for human governments,hoping for 1 righteous ruler to come rule,let Gods kingdom not catch up with u...
The minute we expect humans to rule us well then we are on a long thing....
Even the nation of isreal God once focused his attention on,choosing kings and anointing them has messed up so much that God abandoned them to there madness...
Jesus as the last chosen and anointed king of Gods kingdom will do away with human rule and I am so much anticipating it....daniel 2:44
All other human rulers are just there,staying for a while,running shows for satan who is the present god of this world...
Our prayer every morning should be for Gods kingdom to come,to come demolish these human governmentsb,ecause waiting for a righteous ruler to show up to rule naija will be like waiting for when d sun will stop shinning...

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Let's see and chit chat..
I'm in the minna camp right now..
Any1 around??

Why are those scriptures had for people to understand
Very simple...women can't qualify as bishops and deacons...women cannot exercise authority in d church or teach in d church ...simple as ABC....
Its like insinuating that there were female priests in d temple back then in isreal...temple/church services,anything having to do with internal church activities,taking d lead,teaching are for men and men alone.....
That is Gods arrangement...why1timothy 2:8-12 tells us why.....
Women could engage in d evangelizing work generally just as there were female prophetesses in isreal but cant and should never teach a congregation just as a female could never have been a priest...
But taking d lead(pastor or bishop) or teaching in d church is a responsibility for men alone.....
No woman,ï repeat no woman amongst all d faithfull women(tabitha,lydia,prisca,mary mother of Jesus etc)that existed in d 1st century ever became a bishop mrs or pastor mrs or deaconess in the 1st century..
They don't qualify to be overseers.
They all followed Gods arrangement of headship and orderliness.....

@poster....is it d university education that matters more or d basic understanding of d scriptures??
All those clerics u claimed read medicine,philosophy,sociology and d rest,how has it rilli helped them understand d bible
D apostles were barely learned men..they were ordinary men that understood d mosaic law and later were inspired τ̣̣̥
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pen down d greek scriptures...
My pointworldly education has notin τ̣̣̥
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do with 1 who qualifies τ̣̣̥
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serve as an overseer in a congregation...reading d bible daily and applying what is learnt is what qualifies 1...1timothy 3:1-10 shows us those qualifications......
After all it is still this same learned clerics that still can't understand that homosexuals will not inherit Gods kingdom..we have gay priests and bishops in the top churches today..didn't there theological schools teach them what God hates??...these are d same clerics that still can't understand that true christians shouldn't engage in wars.......
All there going τ̣̣̥
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d university and theological schools barely teach them that.....
It is this same clerics who would bow down τ̣̣̥
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images and worship them and claim they are just honouring it.....
Study d lives of d apostles and early christians and understand that it is not ur education dat matters,it is allowing d holy spirit help us with thorough understanding and also giving us d strength τ̣̣̥
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apply what we learn........

Frosbel you are right ooo...
But peter is also a rock..but Jesus d grander rock of d christian congregation....:-)...
The catholics most times outrightly do what Jesus hates but still stand on there grounds...it gets me wondering wether they have a bible...
They make mary there mediator thereby relieving Jesus off his office as mediator and high priest of Yahweh ........its just insane!!!!

Should fastings or d plan to fast be announced?I wonder if christians still read there bibles....

@buguzeee....there goes king james again...always fixing its own words to describe bible thoughts...now is lucifer the exact translation for shining one or bright morning star?
King james always will always use d philosophy and myths of his time and attach it to d bible..
Now u tell me the exact meaning of LUCIFER..then I'll tell u that Jesus and other angels bear that title too...its a title sha not a name...

Reading and comprehension is what is most important not just what we hear from religious leaders..
...We have to test and see for ourselves that what we are learning has no trace of corruption or from men but from the bible as it is...
Many doctrines today sprang from men not from d bible as we know it....now the truth is when doctrines are confirmed to have more of pagan or man made foundation we should shrewdly repudiate such doctrines but cling to those that are written in d scriptures just the way it is....
Most times false teachings that are propagated by religious leaders must always lead to confusion and disaster.....
Lesson!!!!....imitate the beroens who always went back to d hebrew scriptures to confirm to see if all what paul said about the messiah was true....not just run off with pauls words...d bible was there yard stick......

What is the meaning of lucifer @ buguzeeeeee....
And is that word lucifer suppose to be a bible term
Because if I can recall,we could also assume that Jesus and all other angels are lucifers going by its definition as I know it...
I'll soon bring up my composed answer sha...

Let's hammer on topics week in week out.....
I think that'll be better.....
Topics on serious doctrines like hell fire,heaven,trinity,celebacy,relics worship,prayer,speaking in tongues,miracles,prosperity doctrines, etc...many of them....

@buguzee, so Jesus made mistakes like we do, right??
Jesus got sick just like we do, right?
Jesus died out of adamic sin just like we do, right?
infact Jesus was a sinner by default Just like we all are, right?
i then wonder why he is called d last adam, the only relationship Jesus had with us humans when he was on earth was his being flesh and blood(physical human bodily),
nothing more,
every human from adam down till today that has walked d surface of d earth is imperfect except Jesus,
Jesus being tempted does not even prove the reason why u say flesh and blood in that 1corinthians deals strictly with our fleshly desires, even angelic sons who are spirits were tempted by satan, so temptation is not d issue,
the issue here is body type, shikena,
he is a life -giving - SPIRIT,

because he is serving as a mediator so he has to be with flesh in heaven?,
then why stay in heavenof what use is his havin flesh in heaventhat makes d other angels higher than him,
Jesus was made lesser than angels, in what sensebecause he took up flesh to reside with humans, he definitly cant keep that nature in heaven if not it will be of no use,
christ is a life giving SPIRIT, does that phrase not tell you what christ is in heaven
buguzee ur view of d flesh mentioned in 1corinthians is what is realy causin d confusion, ofcus Jesus battled with temptations from d devil,but did he have d inherent sin we humans have?if u insist flesh and blood accordin to ur view are our human fleshly desires and sinful nature then u might as well apply that to jesus because he was in d human nature when on earth,
look @ d whole context and know that paul was strictly talking about body type not in symbolic terms,
he talked about how human body defers from animal body and so on,
then there after he talked about earthly body which Jesus had before his death and also heavenly body which Jesus had in his pre-human existence,
flesh cannot stay in heaven, the heavens are made for spirits, thats why they are higher than us,
that is why when Jesus was made lesser than angels it was all about him taken on flesh and blood,

@buguzee>>>>ur explanation doesnt just count, u know whybecause apostle was talkin about the kind of body one will need to live in heaven,
read the whole verse and see that paul was speaking not in symbolic terms but in physical terms,
if u say flesh mentioned in verse 50 is our sinful desires,then u are invariably saying that jesus too was a sinner, he had d adamic sin in him, because he was flesh and blood just before his death and ascension when on earth,
and can u kindly open just 1 verse from the scriptures to show that we humans are spirit beingsplease just 1 verse,
also u said the sons of God that came to have sex with d daughters of men were normal isrealite men>, i also will disqualifythat statement, those guys were angels, they gave birth to the nephilims,
and what do u have to say about d angel that isacc wrestled withand the angels abraham fed with breaddidnt the have flesh and bone?
please re-read 1corinthians and analyse it well,
and i never knew u were a spirit being, it means the genesis account should be reviewed or edited, because when God created perfect adam he made him fleshly human from dust not a spirit, please ineed ur scriptures

@buzugee, so ur sayin heaven will be brought literally here on earth
What was Jesus b4 comin to d earth?
And what body will people who will be ressurected to heaven have
Remember flesh cannot inherit d kingdom of d heavens,
I could remember also that d angels who came to d earth to have sex with d daughters of men in noahs day also had flesh and bone, didn't they
Please kindly explain 1 corinthians 15:45-50
45 So the first man, Adam, as scripture says, became a living soul; and the last Adam has become a life-giving spirit.
46 But first came the natural body, not the spiritual one; that came only afterwards.
47 The first man, being made of earth, is earthly by nature; the second man is from heaven.
48 The earthly man is the pattern for earthly people, the heavenly man for heavenly ones.
49 And as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so we shall bear the likeness of the heavenly one.
50 What I am saying, brothers, is that mere human nature cannot inherit the kingdom of God: what is perishable cannot inherit what is imperishable.

Those going to heaven will be like the one who came from heaven, b4 Jesus came to d earth he was a spirit and so is he now and all those who will reside in heaven,
The 1 thing that Jesus shared with humans was flesh and blood(flesh),
And if his Father is a spirit and so also d angels how come is Jesus of a different essence?
Read john 17:1-5,
Jesus was indeed restored to glory he had b4 he came to d earth,
If Jesus is with flesh in heaven then he is no way greater than d angels,

@joagbagbe, define glorified body,
Is he a spirit or not?,
No blood but still with flesh abi
But he could pass thru thick wall,disappear and appear to his apostles,
Is Jesus a spirit or still flesh in heaven with the holes in his hands,
If Jesus is flesh in heaven then I doubt if he is in heaven @ all,
Because there is a heavenly body(the one Jesus had b4 he came to d earth,the one the angels have and also Yahweh) and there is earthly body( the one we all have,covered with flesh),
It is either we choose 1 and leave the other,
Glorified or whichever way it is put
Is Jesus a spirit now in heaven or still strolling with his pierced flesh he showed his apostles b4 ascending?
If Jesus is human I bet u we will still be able to see him,

@deepsight, those scholars will indirectly be implying that Jesus is still made lower than the angels even after his ascension to heaven,
That 1corinthians 15 realy just tells us who and what Jesus was b4 cmin to d earth, let some1. Explain what heavenly and earthly body is,
I know all persons living in heaven are spirit persons, both Yahweh, and all the angels, Jesus nko?

This is a question that needs serious pondering,
I have always asked and will continue to ask:::what kind of body does Jesus have in heaven or what is he
A human with flesh and bone or a spirit?
Many say because Jesus showed his apostles d nail imprints on his hands and feet and also because they felt him therefore he ascended to heaven as a human,while others according to 1corinthians 15:45$50 says Jesus is a life giving spirit because flesh and blood(including bone) cannot reside in heaven,
And if Jesus has d same nature as his Father and also the other angels then is Jesus still a human in heaven or a spirit??
Answers please,