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@chucks, just explain how??,
I asked if a dove could be equal to d God i worship, can u answer that

christ couldnt be a christian, why??
Because he is the founder of christianity.and so, he cant be a follower of himself,
Christians are followers of christ but christ cant be ,

diluminati:
christian rap/hiphop, and gospel music today is one of the hallmarks of christian hypocrisy.

how?explain

@judek, from ur analogy,becos i know the bible i hold will never think this way(lol),you are saying that a dove is equal to the God i worshipi thought d holy spirit was a real person, abi
Why is it appearing as a dove then later sometime as fire, d only time d holy spirit had to appear bodily it came as a dove,
Are those qualities of a real person, ur explanation to what happened to Jesus on d day of his baptism just doesnt click with d bible, Jesus himself wuldnt give that explanation, that passage does not support trinity 1 bit, rather it counters the trinity dogma clearly,

@newmi, when d bible says God(Yahweh) exalted Jesus above every other person or that God(Yahweh) has given Jesus a name that is above every other name,does that include d person who exalted Jesus?
I want u to read 1 corinthians 15:27 & 28 ,
U'l find out that no matter how Jesus Christ is exalted above every other person,given all power & authority above every other person it is always in exception of the person(Yahweh) who gives jesus such privelege & authority, the greatest name ever in the whole universe still remains Yahweh, that person Yahweh is whom Jesus still worships as we speak(revelation 1:5 & 6), that name Yahweh still remains intact, when Yahweh revealed that name to moses,he said that name will last forever, many humans have tried to hide & discard that name thru out history but we are happy that name is still been known today, Jesus came to sanctify that name & we should today, Jesus used that name through out his ministry on earth, even Jesus's name is connected to that name "Yahweh" meaning Yahweh is salvation, so forever Yahweh remains,

@joagbaje, how many times i go tell ona say na satan dey rule this world?
Dont ever mention Gods name in national & political issues, even d nation of isreal that God protected & defended has been abandoned after they refused & killed Gods chosen servant/messiah, d last king that God ever chose & annointed with his own hand was his son(Yehshua) which is the shiloh many call today witout understandin its full meaning, d rest of earths rulers & there systems are just been allowed by God for a while,
Soon When time reach all of them go turn to chaff and off into the thin air, america u see there was built on satan, its a world power, read revelations well and know who gives power to these world powers,
when u finish reading revelations then u'l know america was never built on Yahweh, God supports no nation, no nation today has God as its foundation, they are all on satan's palms, and he does what ever he wants with them, but there end is fast approaching

newmi:
There is no record that Jesus was with the Father or in heaven prior to His first advent, rather what we find is that in the biginning it The Father, The Spirit and the Word and it is significant that we understand this but you see these lexemes; God, Holy Spirit, and The Word all are not names but a discription of personalities but like we read in John 1 where "The WORD" BECOME flesh note not "JESUS" BECAME FLESH because there was no Jesus as at yet "JESUS" only existed in prophecy. The angel Gabriel appeared and spoke these words to the virgin Mary (Luke 1:31)
"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS"
Now 1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest
in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up
into glory"
Isn't amazingly explicit that GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH and bear in what we read in John 1 the Word who is God was made flesh now this "GOD THAT WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH WAS NOW GIVEN A NAME ACCORDING TO PROPHECIES AND MORE RECENTLY FROM THE ANGEL NOT THAT HE ALREADY HAD THE NAME OR EXISTED AS A PERSON SEPRATE FROM THE FATHER REMEMBER TRINITY IN LIKE MANNER YOU CANNOT SEPARATE YOUR SPIRIT, SOUL QND BODY AS FAR AS THIS REALITY IS CONCERN, ANYONE WHO SEES YOU IN THE FLESH WOULD BE CRAZY TO REQUEST TO SEE YOUR SPIRIT OR SOUL SEPARATELY.

Hav u ever tried checking 1 timothy 3:16 from other translations to know that the king james u quoted from wrote that verse from his trinity thoughtshe copied that exactly from d latin vulgate gotten from d catholics not from d original greek manuscript, so just stop quoting that verse, God almighty didnt come in human flesh ,rather Jesus his only begotten son came in human flesh,
no 1 can see almighty God & live, God can never & will never appear as a man, a lesser personage can,but not Yahweh,
You asked if a word can be made seperate from an individual, right,
The problem with trinitarians is that they feel that Gods literal utterances are Jesus, they forget that wen Jesus is called the "word" it means Jesus is Gods spokes man or representative since we can never see God, & that spokes man is what Jesus was when he came to earth, he made many know about Yahweh more & more,
Now for u to know Yahweh is distinct from his son Jesus i'l ask u 1 good question,
When Jesus was baptised ,a voice was heard from heaven "approving Jesus as son",
Jesus was on earth as a man,but Gods voice was still heard,
Yahweh still had his voice intact while Jesus was on earth, Yahweh still could utter words from his mouth while his figurative word(Jesus his spokes man) was on earth, ,, the day y'all acknowledge Jesus is a different person from his Father (Yahweh) then many things will get a lil easier,
If Jesus is d Father & @ d same time d son & holy spirit,then it means all went to hell & none was present in heaven, & it will mean all the while d messiah was talked about in d prophetic books ,it was Jesus who was sending himself,
Please read isaiah 53:1-12 and see where Jesus was called Yahwehs servant b4 he was sent to d earth, the truth is if Jesus is your God where did u keep Yahweh, since u wanna go with names & not titles, then tell me where u dumped Yahweh, ?

Judek2:
Jesus Christ is a typical representation of the Supreme in flesh, to show the world that he, God, can stoop low to the extent of dying in the hands of his creations,to save us from eternal damnation,and pride of life. .That shows the humble nature of God.

What Love is greater than that?

Its obvious that the term GOD has been a much concern to all forms of religion.expecially the Christian God,and Muslim God. But their natures are different.

I'd rather call my God, Christ Jesus, than a confusion of other deities that claim the same name.

where  did  u  keep  Yahweh??in  the  dust  bin?, ,
Didnt u read in d bible that almighty God can never be a man?, that no 1 can see him & yet live??, is Yahweh ur God or his son Yehshua(Jesus)?, because Jesus is Gods only begotten son, am i saying the truth?

@OP, john1:1 tells us that the word(Jesus christ) was with another God in the beginning,
Who was that God
U'v clearly identified that d word accordin to the kjv & many translations is Jesus which was God,
But what is d name of d God the christ was with?,
Was Jesus with himself?,

Image123:
The OP should have a name change. Seems to be benefitting from inferiority complex.

Can u just answer d question,

Enigma:
Maybe even God the Father shouldn't be called Jehovah Jireh etc?

God d father's name isnt "Jehovah jireh", it was d name abraham called d place he wanted to offer up isaac b4 God(Yahweh) now provided a ram for him to make d sacrifice, Jehovah jireh means "Yahweh will provide",
In case U forgot Jehovah or Yahweh is Gods personal name,
He alone answers that distinct name, nobody can ever bear that distinct name,
But Jesus(Yehshua) bears a name that shows he cant be d almighty God, becos Yahweh is he's saviour,, infact it was Yahweh who gave him that name got d point, ,

does Jesus christ still bear the name "JESUS" in heaven, i feel that if he is d almighty God then he doesnt have to bear that name, it betrays his Godship,
.that name "Jesus" or "(Iēsoûs)" in greek or Hebrew ַעֻׁשֹוהְי (Yĕhōšuă‘, Joshua) or Hebrew- Aramaic ַעּוׁשֵי (Yēšûă‘), both meaning " Yahweh delivers" or "Yahweh rescues", or which means " God is salvation",,will definitly not fit in if Jesus is d almighty God,

Did Jesus christ himself needed or have a saviour??

Even some servants of Yahweh had earlier answered d same name as Jesus did b4 he came to d earth & after he left,
If Jesus still bears JESUS in heaven then what do u guys think?

@omo pastor, that is why i have said let d born agains come out na & rule & lets see d outcome, abi them dey fear?,
Are they afraid of messing up like it has always been, the truth is we are not d 1st christians existin neither wuld we be d last,
I earlier said lets follow our master Jesus & his apostles, lets follow there foot steps, and ofcus d early christians preached,preached & preached becos they knew d world they lived in was temporary & becos they knew who was in complete charge of d political world, if christ who had all d muscle ran away from political posts who are we today to tink we can run political systems??, and literally speakin christ wuld have been in d best position to rule isreal since he was d promised king & messiah,but behold christ ran away,becos he knew what & who was rili behind it & becos he knew earthly kingdoms were and still is on d palms of satan d devil & that he(Jesus) will soon come to destroy all of these political systems,
, i'm jus imagining what Jesus will do to a christian who will be on a political sit when he comes to destroy all earthy governments & political system!, d reason why christians wana indulge in this system is becos they truly dont belive an end is imminent, if all christians knew d end of this satan ruled world will come in 2 weeks time,how many will wanna run for political posts,
A wise christian will follow Jesus's foot steps & stop leaning on his or her own opinion,
, tell me how a born again will wanna win elections from any part of d world witout rigging,cheating,bein sentimental,killing,implicating & maiming his opponent,joining ogboni or free mason,telling political lies etc,,,,
, just tell me where dat born again wan come from?,
Since you are a professed pastor u can as well start by runnin for presidency, lol,
Chris okotie claimed God sent him bt he lost out woefully durin d elections, look @ what politics has turned pastor bakare into,

@omo pastor, there's this scriptures that pastors fail to quote from the new testament instead they go way back to d law given to d isrealites in order to collect cash from there gullible followers & enrich themselves,
This is d scripture, 2corinthians 8:12-15
New International Version (NIV) 12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not
according to what one does not have. 13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not
have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.

, the apsotles fostered an equalising when it came to contributions made, 1st of all contributions bak then after christ death was nt accordin to a law(tithe,1st fruit,offering) as was wit d isrealites, but was based on sincere voluntary contribution accordin to wat a person has, and those who had surplus were to offset d deficiency of those who had little, so that in all,nobody shuld be so comfortable why others suffered, and if u notice never was any apostle rich from there own personal business more or else from d contributions made by d church back then(over there dead bodies), rather paul encouraged giving amongst fellow christians , today pastors cant preach equality becos they want it all, so they make sure they use laws from d past to milk the church, if equality/ voluntary giving was preached no pastor wuld come up wit tithe payin & 1st fruit/ offering 5hit!!, and no pastor wuld be riding in private jets & phantoms while many of there followers suffer,d same followers whom theyv cajoled to pay 1st fruit, d churches r not teaching d truth, d churches in 9ja run like d nigerian govt, no equalising, the rich gets richer & d poor gets poorer, d great oppresses d poor,while d poor gets more impoverished,

now u claim u'v givin ur 1st fruit & so this year will be a year of bountiful harvest,unlimited breakthru, isnt that what you are taught?, d apostles & 1st century christians who didnt give any yeye 1st fruit didnt they recieve Gods blessing, as a matter of fact they are in heaven, tell ur pastors to teach d new covenant that Jesus came to establish, abi ona wan still be physical jews?

i just want to ask 1 good question that we can all ponder on,

How many men of god can u train up to be half as effective as d apostles were or even half spiritual as Jesus was when he was on earth,
Jesus & his apostles even had genuine powers from God(Yahweh) to raise d dead,walk on water,cure d sick,calm stormy weathers but still did not involve themselves with d politics of there day, if these tight,faithful men shyed away & kept themselves clear off politics,who are we today as professed christians to think that if a God fearing man(i wonder who that mayb)rules then d affairs of things in nigeria will change??,
My problem is we'v been hearing for too long why a pastor shuld be in politics or why a true christian shuld be in politics,why dont actions speakelect a born again or a pastor & see d outcome, when Jesus told his disciples to be no part of this world in imitation of him,many mite think Jesus was drunk when he made those statements, SATAN rules d entire world & until christians get that straight into there heads they wuldnt be makin all these contemplations, have we not seen from d past what professed christians did wit politics in d past,
The roman catholics along wit its papacyd pope controlling d affairs of politics, have we forgotten how messed up it wasblood shed,cheating,scandals,fight for power,wars etc,
Or do we think these political rulers do things out of there own initiative??theres a spirit behind it all & the bible tells us what it is, oya wit out much Adoo let d born agains run into office & lets see d outcome, then they will know who realy rules d world,

it baffles me how people culd be cajoled by there pastors using d old testament for them to give 1st fruit, did Jesus remind any body about fruitswhich kin christians we get today ooooooo
, did d apostles & early christians give any 1st fruits?, can christians jus think for once & focus on d more important things, i'v never heard anybody say how much he/she suffered for preaching d goodnews, i'v never heard anybody give testimonies of how they under went intense persecution for preaching just like d apostles did, why is it all about sewing seed,paying tithe,giving 1st fruit,offeringswhyyyyyyyy??which kin money loving country i come from??, when Jesus opened his mouth to talk about seeds it was refering strictly to d preachin work, but here we are today seeing many linking success to givin 1st fruits or payin tithe, how many of d persons who tithe & give 1st fruits preach like Jesus didhow many,
If it aint about money christians today aint saying nothing, what has happened to christianity??, people now use d amassing of wealth or making money as a yard stick to measure Gods blessings, and many feel becos they'v done all d contributions then God wil bless them wit money abundantly,with d best jobs etc, people rili need to read there bibles, many do all these crap and 4get about d weightier issues, taking care of widows & orphans and d less priviledged, leave 1st fruit givin & preach d good news like Jesus did, d isrealites many are referin to never preached from to door to door,neither did they preach frm country to country, it was all about d nation  of isreal & its boundary, today as christians we have a very weighty assignment,to preach, how many persons hav fully accomplished that work, everytime money money money!!!!

e get wetin churches no go celebrate today?, xmas they are there,halloween they r there,valentine they are there,easter they do too(worship of d goddess eaostre), cant people do things witout dates & months affecting them?, especially christians!!!!, and especially when d celebration & observance is pagan oriented??,

@poster, talking about creation, christians are sure of adams exact years spent on earth & when he was created, a true christian never takes d view of creationists who believe that d earth was created in literal days, (1000yrs=1day), days in d bible does also refer to long periods of unknown times, adams existence can be truly calculated since we know adam lived for over 900 literal yrs,but all that existed b4 man created as d last on Gods last creation days had existed way back in unknown times or years, which culd amount to millions of years, and remember how genesis 1:1 tells us, in d beginning God created the heavens & d earth, no exact time range was pin pointed, d universe had long existed b4 man was created, so no true christian will tell u that creation days were actuallly literal days in Gods eyes, and becos God is omnipotent doesnt mean he doesnt control d use of his power, he controls them perfectly,& he also applied that wisdom in creation, he allowed his works manifest until they were good in his eyes,b4 he moved to d next,

@poster, talking about creation, christians are sure of adams exact years spent on earth & when he was created, a true christian never takes d view of creationists who believe that d earth was created in literal days, (1000yrs=1day), days in d bible does also refer to long periods of unknown times, adams existence can be truly calculated since we know adam lived for over 900 literal yrs,but all that existed b4 man created as d last on Gods last creation days had existed way back in unknown times or years, which culd amount to millions of years, and remember how genesis 1:1 tells us, in d beginning God created the heavens & d earth, no exact time range was pin pointed, d universe had long existed b4 man was created, so no true christian will tell u that creation days were actuallly literal days in Gods eyes, and becos God is omnipotent doesnt mean he doesnt control d use of his power, he controls them perfectly,& he also applied that wisdom in creation, he allowed his works manifest until they were good in his eyes,b4 he moved to d next,

animals wont go to heaven & cant go, infact let us understand d reason why some humans will go to heaven, ordinarily it was never Gods purpose for some humans to go to heaven or humans to leave in heaven, going to heaven was a provision that was made available in other for God to accomplish his purpose of humans living perfectly just as adam did b4 he sinned, now those few humans do have an assignment to do up there,a serious 1 to be specific, to rule wit Jesus as co-priests and kings, revelation chapter 20 verse 6 to be specific ,tells us of that weighty assignment,
those are definitly assignments that animals cant fit into to, neither children nor adolescents, so for many who tink goin to heaven is to play ps3,chop food,marry,give birth,go to toilet and do normal things that humans do,then they are on a long thing, isiah's prophecies gives us a glimpse of how animals & humans wil live together forever here on earth, as @ that time as recorded in isaiah chapter 11:1-9 animals will enjoy peace & tranquility amongst themselves and also wit humans,

SO ANIMALS WILL & CANNOT GOTO HEAVEN,

mumu countryyyyyyy called 9ja, ambassadors my yansh, wetin them dey ambassador for?, what do they do sef, to run around d place doing 5hit!!!, and then there kids enjoy all this, how much is there salarylet this mumu govt tell us, why govt officials go dey enjoy while d masses dey suffer, its just too bad, i hate nigeria, forgive me y'all i said that

nigeria na mad country ooo, imagine if the chairman of nddc jus thief 10 billion naira for himself,no be hammar be that?, and can y'all believe that i know this chairman of nddc 1 on 1?, my own i go jus go meet am to nak me 1 job space, becos this country na on God go fit end this madness, 250billion naira??, thats jus goin to incite much embezzlement

many trinitarians & egalitarians try to undermine or trivialise Jesus words when he says " the Father is greater than I AM"(john 14:28),"I am ascending to my Father & your Father and to my God & your God" (john 20:17) and when he prayed to his Father(Yahweh), they tell you Jesus said & did that because he was human on earth & so needed to be subordinate & dependent on God almighty(who is greater,bt wil stil be blindly argued by trinitarians) until his return to back to heaven,even though Jesus's statement @ john 20:17 was after his ressurection, 1 question trinitarians fail to ask themselves is ::FOR HOW LONG WAS JESUS TO BE MADE SUBJECT & SURBODINATE TO HIS FATHER?,

AFTER JESUS's ASCENSION TO HEAVEN with his glorified body DID HE BECOME EQUAL WITH HIS FATHER?,

DID JESUS STOP WORSHIPING YAHWEH AFTER HIS ASCENSION TO HEAVEN or did YAHWEH STOP BEING JESUS's GOD??
Here are scriptures to show Jesus position in heaven after his ascension and Jesus's subordination to His God & if his subordination changed, i want nairalanders to realy read this scriptures & tell me what they think,

1corinthians 11:3.:::
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
International Standard Version (©2008) Now I want you to realize that the Messiah is the head of every man, and man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of the Messiah.,

1corinthians 15:27 & 28::
New International Version (NIV) 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” [a] Now when it says that “everything” has been put
under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so
that God may be all in all.,

1peter 1:3,
New International Version (©1984) Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Revelation 1:5 & 6
New International Version (NIV) 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the
kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory
and power for ever and ever! Amen

TRINITARIANS::For how long will Jesus be made subject to God & for how long will Yahweh be Jesus's God??, i need answers, thank u!,

christians, lets ask ourselves what Jesus will do, the best a christian can do is flee from a danger zone to a safe zone, thats what Jesus did until he was killed, even after Jesus's death and ressurection a similar situation occured , when Jerusalem was under siege by d romans d instruction Jesus gave his followers before it would occur was "flee to d mountains", those who heeded that warning did survive jerusalems destruction in 70 C.E, but those who were holdin on to there possessions & wondering why they had to flee when danger was imminent lost there lives, d truth is if we want to be christlike or followers of christ,then lets sincerely obey him & follow him to d letter, my advice to christians in d north is FLEE to a safe zone until either 9ja is seperated and everytin settles or come stay temporarily in ur various states of origin until d govt calms down d situation, knowingly stayin back to defend 1's self wil surely lead to reprisal attacks and d blood shed wil go on & on, except there is no alternative for d christians there in d north to seek refuge,then they hav to be discreet on how they walk,talk & do things to keep safe, but if there is a way to stay off d north till d weather is clear why not flee, our properties,businesses,monies all mean nothin, what we shuld protect wit our lives is our christian standing & our bible trained consciences, so christians be wise like christ!!!!

make ona leave them alone ooo, my lil problem is just with d birthday stuff, shuldnt the daddy's birthday be a personal family thing??why get d whole church involved, ??i mean in this lastdays when more important things shuld be occupyin d people of d church,the pastors birthday shuldnt be part of any church agenda, if Jesus and d apostles had to be bringin there birthday celebrations(if @ all they did any) to d church for all to be feasting i wonder if we wuld have a bible by now,or i wonder if Jesus wuld hav been focused in his preachin work & also dying for us, trifles should never be brought into d church,

them no remove there own fuel subsidy??, yeye people!!!

@image, or can u also say it was Jesus that came as fire to annoint the apostles @ pentecost 33 c.e??

Image123:
Jesus is equal to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is equal to Jesus Christ. phewww, there you have it said at last. chikena is not Chineke BTW

So can u confidently say the holy spirit came as flesh to die for us if Jesus is the holy spirit

I'v always asked this thought provoking question as regards the trinity dogma, i'v noticed that all the time the trinity doctrine is deliberated on,98% is always focused on Yahweh(Jehovah) & his son Jesus(Yehshua), its always God almighty is Jesus incarnate as a man on earth and that Jesus was stil the same 1 God the jews worshiped, while the remaining 2% is used to prove that the holy spirit is a person and that the holy spirit is God & vice versa,
But professed christians there's one aspect trinitarians fail to analyse in other to prove & establish the trinity dogma as an undeniable fact, they fail to tell us why Jesus isnt the holy spirit and why the holy spirit isnt Jesus, if the trinity teaching teaches 3 gods who are co-equal,co-eternal,co-existing,and equal in essence & who come back to form a God head why has the doctrine never proved that Jesus is also the holy spirit or the holy spirit as Jesus??, why, the formular 1+1+1=1 is suppose to support this thought, but nobody goes there, they always wana equate Jesus with his Father,but will never wanna equate the holy spirit with Jesus, they always wanna tell you God sent himself down here & named himself Jesus,but they'l never wanna say it the other way round by telling you that God sent the holy spirit to come & die for us or that the holy spirit is the son of man, whyyyyyyyyy?answers,

the simple truth is women cannot serve or become church leaders or helpers , after paul stil bortressed d point on women keepin silent in corinthians,he went further to address d issue when writin a letter to timothy, he gave d command by inspiration that women shuld be silent & not take d lead in d church as found in 1 timothy 2:11-13, and paul went further in 1timothy chapter 3 to give d qualifications for responsible positions of bishops and deacons, and guess what y'all,women cannot meet up or qualify for such offices, there was no 1st century woman who served as a deacon or bishop, it was a stern command, and paul gave d reasons, some1 asked if deborah wasnt a prophetess, d truth is women culd prophesy & tel about God outside d temple,but never inside, have we ever heard of a female priest b4 in d bible?temple services & church services respectively were mainly for men,, whybecos d man is head of d woman, lets imagine a woman bein amongst d levite class or bein high priest(abormination of d highest oder), those were offices meant for men alone, today women can preach from door to door and oustide,but they shuld never try to teach in Gods house, because its against Gods arrangement, when ever i see pastor mrs,deaconesses,bishop mrs i just shake my head & ask what madness christianity is turnin into?, paul concludes 1corinthians 14 by saying let all things take place decently and by arrangement, so can christians just adhere to simple bible injunctions??

Pastor Kun:
^^^
Double evidence Oledepo is a fake charlatan, he surrounds himself with body guards and flew his wife abroad for treatment when she had stroke whilst only offering his members 'prayers' when they are ill.

Are sure of what u just saidwas oyedepo's wife ever sick to that degreestrokei never knew