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has he finished slapping d politicians that sit down in d front sits in his crusades and church service??i so dont understand these pastors and there crasy acts, slappin a girl and sendin her away, na d work Jesus do?, mumu dey worry all of them, has he slapped all d womanisers and immoral people in his congregation, this is 1 reason Jesus said he'l deny all of them, because they never did his Fathers willl, i stil wonder if this hw Jesus handled issues of persons who were demon possessed, funny actors in 9ja,

Its jus funny how doctrines Jesus fostered has now bein adulterated wit trash, sayings of everlastin life that Jesus dispensed when on earth has now bein adulterated wit prosperity teachins, instead of many to be taught to pray and anticipate for d end to come just as Jesus urged his disciples and early christians to do,many are taught d opposite, they r taught hw to gain and amass material things relentlessly an then attributin such materialistik spirit to Gods blessings, i stil cant remember wen any1 approached Jesus askin him to give him/her prayer points on how to be financially prosperous, Jesus wuld hav slapped d hell out of that person, becos Jesus never gave a damn about money and how to get it, infact he told d rich to give up there riches to follow him, i mean if christians today wont be taught to anticipate d end of this world then all there preachins of faith r futile, all those who had strong faith in d past anticipated an end and not holdin on to d present material and physical tins d world had to offer, d apostles looked intently to wen they'l be given d crown of life and so they lived a simple life here on earth knwin they'l be goin to heaven wit notin, bt today, every pastor wants to own d best cars,houses,jets and business centers and then tel there folowers it is Gods blessins, thats why 9ja is 1 of d most money lovin country, many hav gone ballistic wit love for money, imagine a church dat was opened jus behind my house 1 and a half yrs ago wit d pastor havin notin back then, but today as we speak the pastor now owns about 3 cars, one of it is d latesest mercedes jeep, and d followers stil continue to wallow in poverty, why cant nigerians jus open there eyes and see truths, see truths and make adjustments,

your so correct.,,,,,,d apostles were called by there names straight, or they were called brother paul,brother peter, why?, because Jesus forbade them from acquirin titles for themselves, they were not be called by d offices they served in, becos 1 is a bishop doesnt mean he has to be called bishop{name}, or to be called pastor{name}, or reverend, the worst is even used today, all d general overseers of there churches are called DADDY or PAPA, some r called most reverend father,
Clergyman: “Reverend.”
Anglican bishop: “Right Reverend the Lord Bishop.”
Roman Catholic bishop (in Italy): “His Excellency, the Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Monsignor.”
Cardinal: “His Eminence.”
The pope: “Most Holy Father.”

In the King James Version, the term “reverend” appears only once, at Psalm 111:9, which says: “Holy and reverend is his name.” Whose name? The next verse says: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.” (Psalm 111:10
, and here today we hav humans assumin titles belongin to only God,
when will professed christians start callin there pastors brother adeboye,brother oyedepo,brother oyhakilome in obedience to Jesus words @ matthew chapter 23 verses 8 to 10, even Jesus refused to be called by the title Daddy becos he knew that title belongs ony to his Father, so who d hell are these pastors today enjoyin those titles rightly belongin to almighty God,

Now we all hav to be careful wit such prophesies made by these men of god today, prophesies that are alienated from witin d boundaries of d complete bible shuld be censored, gone are d days wen d apostles prophesied partially and saw visions partially, now we hav a complete bible so we can tel where in d stream of times we are, d book of revelations which contains d last prophecies for our time,d end of d world and after has fortold what we shuld expect, a 3rd world war is sometin that God wuldnt let happen, instead armageddon will ensue, becos we knw hw much weapons are in store of which if used by america and d advanced countries no one will survive, and God in revelations promised that he'l ruin all those ruining the earth, instead God wil bring his own war to end all human governments that hav been oppresin mankind and storing up weapons of mass destruction, any prophecy outside revelation and what Jesus prophesied shuld be thrown into d dust bin, one thing we can be sure of is d world can end anytime becos we r living in d last days, so dnt believe every word, read d bible to be sure of wat u wanna believe in, lets be careful,

@goshen360, ur actually a good thinker, u just reasoned like an adult that peers into d scriptures, like i asked some1 on this forum, how many times do they hav to obtain handkerchiefs and olive oils b4 all there sicknesses wil be gone??, they recieve handkerchiefs and visit d hospitals more than i do, the miracles performed in d churches r never instanteneous and absolute, never did Jesus heal a person and then it was later found out that d person stil had d ailment intact, or his apostles, wen they cured it was final and accurate, and more important,Jesus went to meet d peoples out there in there homes and in d market places and on d streets and handled wateva problems he encountered, he was not like d big men pastors today who expect there slave follwers to invite people to there crusades or healin school, wen Jesus walked by and met even situations concernin d dead he resurected them, d same wit d apostles, neither d miracles performed by Jesus and d early apostles were pre-planned or was done in a healn school format, they were strictly impromptu and open to eye witnesses, d day these proud pastors wil start movin from house to house just like Jesus did and help people and preach d gospel,then i'l believ them, becos they r notin like our master Jesus who was humble and took a slaves form, instead they want d 1st place,they lord it over there followers and want to be treated like kings and b called big big titles like DADDY and PAPA, let them learn from Jesus thats all true christianity wants from them

@babasoty, yeah it is true dat thru pauls cloths persons got healed, but that happened witout those persons payin him a dime, sometin ur pastors wil never do, they must n always wil get cash bak from u guys in return for even givin u dead handkerchiefs, and it was pauls personal aprons and clothes he had worn that was used to cure those sick persons, paul didnt buy items and share to people telin them that they'l be healed if they kept and held on to them, that'l be tantamount to idolatry, and those persons who were cured didnt hav to cme bak to paul to colect his garment from time to time,there healins were instanteneous and absolute, bt today wat do we see, d same gullible crowd that recieves those handkerchiefs return bak to d hospitals wit there ailments, i hav numerous frends and relatives that hav attended many shiloh's, recievd such handkerchiefs and they visit d hospitals more than i do to solve d same problems that they were earlier told thay had been relieved from @ d crusades, sometimes i wonder how many olive oils and handkerchiefs u all need to obtain b4 u all get well, rite nw my relatives wil all be cmin bak frm d crusades wit there sicknesses, life continues, even wen u guys see d truth glaringly u stil worship these peddlers of Gods word, i hope he promised to enrol his followers sufferin from aasu strike into his school, wayo men!!!

@babasoty, i believe u were given 1 of those blessed handkerchiefs to wipe out ur memory, fools goin to church

which blessings, the minute they all leave d shiloh ground they go back to embessle monies,join ogboni to become richer,for d politicians they steal d masses funds continuosly,many co-habit wit members of d opposite sex,defraud banks, everytime we hear physical and material prosperity, spiritual prosperity has been shoved aside, i know they must hav given d gullible fools talisman articles like handkerchiefs and olive oil, telin them they'l be annoited thru dat, i wonder why this shiloh event wasnt taken to all d federal medical centers round nigerial so that all d sick will be well and all those in d graves wil be resurrected, d funny tin is this same goats that hav gone to d crusade will stil go back to d hospitals in mass wit there ailments intact, sometimes i tink these DADDY sheepish follwers are bein hypnotised regularly for them not to think well, and i also know there must hav been a dancing stomp the yard crew that came to break dance and dance alanta for d gullible crowd, d level of corruption in 9ja shows that all dis shiloh trash and flyin witout wings crusade,and stil to cme oyhakilome's crusade are bearin no fruits, d followers just go to church for material prosperity and miracles and shove aside d most important things which is strictly obeyin bible standards and principles, worshipers of God r known by there actions nt by callin DADDY here and there, 99% of that crowd includin the 2 DADDIes are d last persons who wil give up more than half of there belongings to d poor and who wil be ready to die for there gullible followers, i pity d followers ooo, when revolution ensue's in nigeria d pastors will just abandon all of u and hop into there private jets and vamuz,

for all those who say Jesus ate wit sinners as a support for chris invitin killers and ritualist such like obj and uduaghan are very famished spiritualy speakin,
Jesus welcomed d invitations of sinners that he did read there minds long in advance and knew they were ready to repent from there bad ways, example is zaccheus, zaccheus was rili curious about knwin Jesus and finaly saw Jesus and housed him, and what happendas a tax collector who drained d poor masses dry bak then in isreal,zaccheus now bein repentant said "the half of my belongins,Lord,i'm givin to d poor & wateva i extorted from any1 by false accusation i am restorin fourfold", now that is a repentant sinner, repentance is shown by action not by d eye service bein exhibited by obasanjo and uduaghan, has obj returned d 16billion dollar cash meant for d power sector, infact we dnt nid to read d hearts of obj and uduaghan to knw if they r repentant,d media has shown dat they r both incessant thieves and killers, these guys hav killed many people & embessled and here they r dinin wit a professed man of god who will pet them and collect money from them, d last thing chris will do is castigate obj and tel him to report his wrongdoins to d police and get himself arrested for God to forgive him, while Jesus was freindly to sinners in general in order to preach to them,Jesus's freinds were his apostles and any1 who obeyed God, Jesus told his disciples and all who wana serve his Father @ john 15:14."You are my freinds if u do wat i'm commandin u", there was a condition if 1 had to be freinds wit Jesus, OBEDIENCE to his words, so we can tel who mr oyhakilome's freinds are, thieves,killers,ritualists, these r d people chris could invite to a party, it tels us who are his real freinds and how sick spiritualy he is, wen revolution starts let these pastors know that they wont be exempted, they r freinds wit politicians,so they'l face d wrath of d masses, becos they keep quiet to d stealings n killings bein perpetrated by these politicians, time will tell,

where r all d atheist in dis naira land?, i'v said it before and wuld say it again, atheism,d believe there is no God who has layed down physical laws for us to follow is what has increased this level of madness in humans, homosexuality,lesbianism and now bestiality?, take a count and u'l find out that 70% of those who practice these crasy stuffs are atheist, because they always wanna do things different from nature, and now we can all see who rules d world, SATAN!!!:::, d father of all evil and lawlessness, for any atheist that doubts satans existence,this is just 1 of d evidences of his existence, and he is misleadin d entire inhabited earth, rubbish!!!

reprimanding is necessary, and debunking these faults and hypocrisy Jesus warned about is very vital, after goin thru d feuds amongst these professed men of God it makes me wonder how much related they r to Jesus and d early christian, to start wit they r all very rich and proud, they act like mini gods and expect adulation from there followers, they dnt act like persons who slave for christ and for christ's flock,rather they act like drug lords fightin for prominence, they r all a disgrace to christianity, when we read @ 1timothy 3 d qualifications of a church leader u all wil see that these pastors do not measure up to those standards layed down in that verse, this is y Jesus will say TO many of them "I NEVER KNEW U,GET AWAY from me U WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS",

@demdem, i understand ur point, bt also know were i'm comin from, let d buildin nt make some few persons millionaires, d older churches hav less materially rich clerics, but the recent pentecostal churches are all out for there own empire to milk there members dry, they commercialize Gods message,build buildins that will attract customers,then from there build schools and other firms for themselves, some even build micro finance banks, i fear for 9ja, this whole church everywere drama will finally drive many to atheism, becos d churches r absolutely nt affectn d lives of d attendants, rather is impoverishin and leavin many deluded, its purely business, imagine a church programme will have 1 of its parts as " BUSINESS SUMMIT", its crasy, d churches r now business centers or business schools, they train a wide range of materialistik beings who cant draw d line between contentment and love for money, they claim to perform miracles and have led many to hospital beds wit there sicknesses worse than what it was before, let us always remember that commersialism of evangelism leads to destruction & also those professed men of god who gain riches from there flocks are headin for destruction, d bible said it, 1 day dey come wen all of these wil end, Jesus wil ask them if this was d work he rili sent them,

I knw there's actualy no problem wit buildin a place for worship, but my question is will this building make some few persons rich?, that is d serious problem we r havin in nigeria, d prime reason why churches and there buldings want to choke us is jus to make money, every1 wants to run his/her own empire, peddling Gods word, oyedepo had d biggest wit 50k capacity,now is this 1, well no wahala, let us all take to heart that peddlers of Gods word wil nt inherit Gods kingdom, let us also note that those who think d evangelizing work is for material gains are nt nearin heaven, d bible has said it and it stands till d end,
***All materially rich pastors and bishops take note***

i hate it when they call God, it gets me infuriated, mayb he's d 2nd thief bode george, mumu country, were thieves are recycled, na now i know say Jonathan head don block,

lol, d only country where a public servant steals and then gets eulogized in d church instead of spendin plenty years in country, and now this fool called bode has d effuntary to call Gods name and then claimin innocence, well thats 9ja for u, come out in d publik square and tel an angry crowd this crap, wether no be okuta them go pelt on u, rubbish

d truth is sylva knows he'l be apprehended immediately he leaves governors throne, so he's makin sure he exposes goodluck b4 dat time, and infact sylva is ver right, d goodluck administration in bayelsa took a lot of loans and did embessle a lot of cash for his elections while runin to be v.p, he carted away wit bilions, and so wen sylva came all he met was debt! Debt!! Debt!!!, so our oga goodluck is corrupt, how can corruption rule corruption??, thats y 9ja wil remain like this, thief thief rulers, but d truth is goodluck wil so end sylva's career, him go so deal with am ehh, sylva no go know himself again

the truth is na corruption no make us make 1st 10, 9ja don corrupt so tay d transparency people no understand wetin corruption be for our case

who go fit help us arrest dis obasanjo and then jail him??, d man wahala don too much, his hands are so dirty and useless, anywere u turn ur head to he's there, corruption champion,

my dad hasnt realy talked to me about marraige & women stuff, all i'm doin is jus learnin from his example wit my mum, i think that is jus d best way to learn, as ona dey learn theory,me na Internship i dey, lol

atheism has eaten deep into there heads thats why they dont understand Gods standards anymore, God in d beginnin as they wil doubt it made man and woman and yoked them, but now na man vs man,woman vs woman, and they want to shove it right in d ass of nigeria, i jus tire for themmm, wel i'm nt surprised, satan rules d world, !!!!

my own na make d igbo's no do so tay them begin worship ojukwu, because this is tending towards idolatry, fine he fought for his people,but the igbos shuld be careful and know that he's just a man made of dust, why all this immortalizing this and that, haba!,

altho while fasting is not a stern command for christians just as it was for d isrealites or d jews Jesus gave a wonderful principle on the issue, @ matthew 6:16-18 Jesus warned his disciples not to make d mistake of publicizing there fasts, it wuld also be a mistake to fast because another person tells us to do so, accordin to that scripture Jesus counseled that fasting should be a private matter,between you and God,and that 1 should not announce or a blow a trumpet that he/she is fasting, we shuld nt appear skinny and malnourished to show d whole world that 1 is fasting or go to a radio station to announce a group fasting , that would be hypocritical from Jesus's admonision, fastin is a personal matter and shuld swell from d heart, one should never think that fasting somehow compensates for sinning, to be acceptable to God,a fast must be accompanied by obedience to his laws, not to fast and then d next day embessle publik funds,co-habit wit a member of d opposite sex(commit fornication) and so forth, lol, heart felt repentance,not the act of fasting itself is what leads to the forgiveness of sins,

Isaiah 58:3 illustrates another common error. The Israelites suggested that God owed them something in return for their fasting, as if by fasting, they were doing God a favor. They asked: “For what reason did we fast and you did not see, and did we afflict our soul and you would take no note?” Many today likewise think that because of their fasting, they can expect God to perform some favor for them in return. May we never imitate such a disrespectful and unscriptural attitude!
Others believe that it is possible to earn merit by submitting the body to discomfort through fasting, whipping themselves, or the like. God’s Word condemns this notion, showing that “a severe treatment of the body” is “of no value in combating” wrong desires.—Colossians 2:20-23.
A Balanced View
Fasting is not obligatory; nor is it wrong. It may be beneficial in some circumstances if the dangers mentioned above are avoided. Fasting, however, is not the focus of acceptable worship. God is “the happy God,” and he wants his servants to be happy. (1 Timothy 1:11) His own Word says: “There is nothing better for them than . . . that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.”—Ecclesiastes 3:12, 13.
Our worship should be characterized by joy, but the Bible never associates fasting with happiness. Moreover, if abstaining from food were to affect our health adversely or sap our energy for the joyful work that our Maker has entrusted to true Christians—that of declaring the good news of the Kingdom—then it would clearly be counterproductive.
Whether we choose to fast or not, we should avoid judging others. Among true Christians, there should be no controversy over this subject, “for the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit.”—Romans 14:17.

Enigma:
In that case, since you believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical, there is nothing for us to debate other than to agree to disagree. For now what I can do is to refer you to material which shows how the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity and how accordingly the doctrine is biblical. Bearing in mind the context of this thread you could start from this page 3 of an old thread though it is better to read the whole thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.64.html

, dont take me to a link, i want u to show me that word trinity in d bible and if any of Jesus disciples or early christians used that word and its meanin, if i ever believe in d trinity then it means i'l nt be able to explain why God who never had a beginin was concieved by a woman mary, i knw in that ur link they'l end up sayin d trinity doctrine is a mystery, a mystery formed by man, also answer how angels are called sons of God,

Enigma:
^^^ One very simple question: Do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?

D doctrine is not biblical, i wish i culd believe in it, but since its no where to be found in d hebrew and greek scriptures how do i beleive in it??,
Like i asked earlier, d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, in what sense are they sons of God, give me a biblical answer

Thelstan:
Original no be photocopy abeg. We are not sons of God in the same token that Jesus is Son of God.

we are in d sense that we were created by God, u doubt??, meanwhile i hope u know d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, explain how d angels are sons of God too,

Enigma:
^^^ NO Sir! Jesus is not creation of God! Jesus is the Son of God begotten not made/created --- and Himself through whom all things were made.

Christians are adopted "sons/daughters/children" of God.

Don't get it twisted!

Did u read that colossians i quoted, ??how was Jesus begotten??explain na, did he evolve or a mrs God gave birth to him?, tell me, d bible has given a perfect answer ur there strugglin wit anoda ideology, start explainin how Jesus was begotten,
All other things were created thru Jesus,while Jesus himself was created, got that,

y'all listen, Jesus is d son of God because he is creation of God, all of us are sons of God by creation and so is Jesus, there is no mrs God that gave birth to us, we have physical parents that did give birth to us,but God calls us his sons and daughters, d false teachins of trinity is wat has actually spoilt everytin, with that notion that Jesus is God himsefl then it becomes harder to understand,
But lets all read colossians chapter 1 verse 15,
There tels us that Jesus is d 1st born of all creation, all d angels too are reffered to us as sons of God as job chapter 1 verse 6 tells us, but Jesus is d 1st born amongst all d sons of God wether in heaven or earth,
So Jesus is a confirmed son of God by creation not by birth, thanks every1,

too bad, may Jah b wit d bereaved family,

Where r all d proposers of infant baptismdespite d fact that all catholiks here cant pin point a place were an infant was baptised in d bible let me ask y'all this questions, since catholiks feel that a person must be baptised to be saved so thats d reason why they baptise new born jejune babies here are some questions for u, did d criminal that was hung besides Jesus wen impaled need to be baptised b4 bein saved, d truth is baptism like you all said is an initiatory process for 1 who wants to be a christian, but that doesnt apply to tuddlers who cant think and make decisions on there own, do we all remember d example of d ethiopian eunuch that philip preached to and baptised, d eunuch had to study and make up his mind to get baptised, a baptised christian had d sole responsibility of spreadin d gospel and also makin disciples for christ, how wil an infant accomplish that task, bein a baptised christian was a weighty responsibility,
I heard some1 makin comparisons wit d early circumcision d jews practised to baptism in christianity,
Catholiks 4get that bak then in isreal wen once u were born u automatically become a servant of God thru circumcision which was a must, thats becos God was dealin with just isreal alone, d circumcision issue was annuled after christs death, thru peter gentiles and d rest of d world culd nw enjoy a good relationship wit God nt by birth but by baptism as thosewho can make decisions to want to follow christ, we are not under d d mosiac law but under christs law, and baptism @ no time was performed on kids, becos infants who culdnt speak culdnt hav been able to preach d gospels to other potential christians,

God’s Viewpoint
The Bible does not discuss gambling in detail. Nevertheless, it does provide us with principles that help us determine how God views gambling.
Experience has shown that gambling reflects greed. The Bible strongly condemns greed, warning that ‘no greedy person would have any inheritance in God’s kingdom.’ (Ephesians 5:5) Greed is seen even when gamblers lose. According to one authority, the gambler “tries to win back what he has lost—looking for the ‘big hit.’ If he does win big, he bets bigger, and eventually loses his ‘big hit.’” Yes, greed is certainly a part of gambling.
Gambling is used by some as a means of feeding their pride. One survey conducted with compulsive gamblers showed that 94 percent considered gambling to be an “ego building activity,” and 92 percent said they felt like a “big shot” when they gambled. Yet, God says: “Self-exaltation and pride . . . I have hated.” Thus, Christians are urged to cultivate modesty and humility.—Proverbs 8:13; 22:4; Micah 6:8.
Gambling may also induce laziness, since it seems like an easy way to make money without the effort involved in working. But God’s Word clearly incites Christians to diligent, hard work.—Ephesians 4:28.
Moreover, what they call luck is so important to some gamblers that they become obsessed with it, making it their god. This is similar to the Bible account about men who were “setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck.” Because of their idolatrous action, they were destined “to the sword.”—Isaiah 65:11, 12.
No, gambling is not for Christians. As one magazine editor put it, ‘not only is gambling wrong but it is also a poor bet.’
, in all,while gamblin is not outrightly stated in d bible,certain godly principles helps us avoid it, becos everytin associated wit gambling does not originate wit God but originates with d devill, wether love for money,greed,pride and egotism, all dont ryhme with Gods will, shikena!!

God’s Viewpoint
The Bible does not discuss gambling in detail. Nevertheless, it does provide us with principles that help us determine how God views gambling.
Experience has shown that gambling reflects greed. The Bible strongly condemns greed, warning that ‘no greedy person would have any inheritance in God’s kingdom.’ (Ephesians 5:5) Greed is seen even when gamblers lose. According to one authority, the gambler “tries to win back what he has lost—looking for the ‘big hit.’ If he does win big, he bets bigger, and eventually loses his ‘big hit.’” Yes, greed is certainly a part of gambling.
Gambling is used by some as a means of feeding their pride. One survey conducted with compulsive gamblers showed that 94 percent considered gambling to be an “ego building activity,” and 92 percent said they felt like a “big shot” when they gambled. Yet, God says: “Self-exaltation and pride . . . I have hated.” Thus, Christians are urged to cultivate modesty and humility.—Proverbs 8:13; 22:4; Micah 6:8.
Gambling may also induce laziness, since it seems like an easy way to make money without the effort involved in working. But God’s Word clearly incites Christians to diligent, hard work.—Ephesians 4:28.
Moreover, what they call luck is so important to some gamblers that they become obsessed with it, making it their god. This is similar to the Bible account about men who were “setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck.” Because of their idolatrous action, they were destined “to the sword.”—Isaiah 65:11, 12.
No, gambling is not for Christians. As one magazine editor put it, ‘not only is gambling wrong but it is also a poor bet.’
, in all,while gamblin is not outrightly stated in d bible,certain godly principles helps us avoid it, becos everytin associated wit gambling does not originate wit God but originates with d devill, wether love for money,greed,pride and egotism, all dont ryhme with Gods will, shikena!!

and again u said u d ecks dont depend or study d examples of faithful persons just as christians do, so why depend on past eckists like u said that have passed on to other realms to help u, ??, is that unanimous with ancestral worship??, i need answers,