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@ all rich pastor apologists, i still ask again, mention 1 apostle that by mistake got rich from d lil contributions they got from there fellow brothers & sisters ??, or which levite or priest became wealthy,riding on horses and chariots & usin armed soldiers @ d expense of d tithes paid to them from d other 11 tribes of isreal![]() ![]() ?, which of them ??, somebody was askin hw we expect a pastor who takes care of thousands of followers to hav time to engage in secular work, my answer is ask apostle paul that trekked miles wit out luxirious horses,suffered in ship wrecks,moved from door to door how he culd balance tent makin and stil preachn incessantly till death, everytime d pastors want comfort, not even ordinary comfort,extreme comfort, jets and jeeps,mansions & security guards, they have eyes on lofty things, abeg ona sure say these guys reali believ in goin to heaven, becos there life style says otherwise, |
when i hear all d jejune answers given by "rich pastors" apologists i jus smile, If these pastors were d 1st christians to exist then i wuldnt hav any problem wit them, I just want all d apologists here to mention just 1 levite right from d time of isreal who was rich ![]() ![]() ![]() ??, d levites n priests that depended on d tithes paid by d other tribes of isreal,did they ever by mistake become rich from it![]() , And to Jesus apostles nko ??, many r quotin scriptures of all other things will be added to those who seek Gods kingdom 1st, what do people rili tink Jesus meant Jesus mentioned d other things that was surely to be added to his disciples if they seek Gods kingdom 1st, and what were they ?food,clothin & shelter, Jesus never promised them material wealth, rather he assured them of sustenance,basic needs, and i want any apologist here to mention just 1 of d apostles who was rich or wealthy , make ona mention make i hear oooo, paul even warned of fake pastors who will think that becomin godly is a means to financial wealth, abeg make all of ona read 1tmothy 6:1-12, make ona hear wetin real men of God talk and how they viewed material tins, let me quote exactly wat paul warned about that we r seein today, New International Version (©1984) and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. New Living Translation (©2007) These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth. To them, a show of godliness is just a way to become wealthy. English Standard Version (©2001) and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. New American Standard Bible (©1995) and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. International Standard Version (©2008) and incessant conflict between people who are depraved in mind and deprived of truth. They think that godliness is a way to make a profit, And how are this pastors sure they'l goto heaven wit so much wealth i hope they remember dat it'l be easy for a camel to pass thru d hole of a needle than for a rich man(wether pastor or anybody) to enter into d kingdom of God, let them tink o |
and again in the original greek,there were no punctuation marks such as commas, so were d commas are fixed can change a whole lot of things, , so all Jesus did there was assure that robber of ressurection in d end time, ok ![]() |
and lagoshia i'm 100% sure that punctuation could have been a big problem in that verse, and mayb inserted by those who believed that d robber went to heaven immediately he died, i think it shulda been "truly i tell u today,you will be wit me in paradise", where the comma was placed has caused much wahala, becos we all knw d robber never went to heaven dat day but stayed in his tomb, and ofcus d robber understood much about paradise since he was a jew, |
lagoshia, but are u ok wit d explanation i gave , that robber remained in his grave just as abraham and d rest patriachs are in there tombs waiting when they'l hear Jesus voice and be ressurected, becos the robber no go fit go heaven before Jesus go, loll, |
when Jesus told d robber that "i tell u,today u'l be wit me in paradise", Jesus was only assurin d man of been ressurected into Gods kingdom when d world ends here on earth, becos as we all know even Jesus didnt go back to heaven not until about after a month or more, becos he even spent some days on earth after his ressurection on d 3rd day, so that robber is still in d grave waitin for when all both righteous n unrighteous persons wil be ressurected, thanks |
hardleyC:How wuld u tie this ur fine reasoning with d trinity doctrine that indirectly tells u that when Jesus prayed to God he was praying to himself, just wondering, since God almighty cant thank himself,then it means Jesus prayed and thanked some1 greater than him, abi ![]() |
it is true that a born again can fall into temptation(adultery in particular) if he/she is not always aware and cautious of where he/she is standing, when once we let our guards down there's always d tendency to relapse into gross misconduct, some of d early christians in d past did fall into such adulterous life style,but dat didnt mean d end for them, if they became repentant and never to go back to such acts they were forgiven just as king david was, but i wana let everybody realise something, many are fond of using d slogan that " ALL SINS ARE EQUAL", now the bible never taught that, there's no place in d bible that says all sins are equal, Even in d days of d isrealites when d law was in vogue,all sins never and did not incur d same purnishment, some sins incured death,others involved jus makin small sacrifice to atone for, some sins were definitly weightier than others, many feel that if they commit immorality steadily then there sins are stil on d same level wit some1 who once in a while expresses anger,or quarels wit another, there are sins that will not make us enter into Gods kingdom if we do them incessantly, those sins are different from d inherent sin that makes us by default imperfect, becos we r imperfect sometimes we quarel,shout @ our kids, etc, those are things dat as humans unknowingly n knowinly we do them becos its just us, but also as humans it is so possible for us to avoid gross sins because we obey Gods command, e.g murder,immorality,adultery,extortion,spiritism,idolatry,materialism,drunkinness, etc, We can avoid such sins if we realy love God, But lets take note that if all sins were equal not even a soul wil suvive this world, not even d apostles,nor d early christians,nor abraham,nor all d so called born agains will survive, thanks! |
Let payers of tithes ask themselves this serious questions, 1, why was d command to pay tithe instituted by God?? 2, who were to recieve tithes 3, why did d apostles and early christians never pay tithe just like d nation of isreal did? 4, in what way are christians to fund Gods work today as was done in d 1st century?? , seriously examinin these questions will help us find out if christians are still under obligation to pay tithes or not, |
stagger:Who told u d apostles had there different ministries what was d name of there ministries, , let me inform u incase u'v thrown ur bible away, all d apostles and older men back then in jerusalem made up a governing body that directed all d congregations of Jesus be it d corinthians,galatian,ephesian,laodecian,thessolonian etc, b4 paul n barnabas were sent,d governin body sat down to see where d preachn work needed more hands and they unanimously agreed thru d help of d holy spirit to send paul and his companion on a missionary tour not for them to start up anoda business organisation, and guess what all d apostles includin d elders back then were all either poor or lived simple lives, there was no CEO of d church,Jesus is the CEO, and d apostles didnt sit down static or stick to d pull pit preachin commandin people and aquiring horses,chariots,gold,silver,expensive life style and wealth just as todays pastors do rather they themselves moved from house 2 house preachin d goodnews becos that is why d holy spirit was sent in d 1st place, i mean its clear that weneva a pastor leaves a church its just another avenue for anoda church to spring, so that they can be CEO's themselves,own SUV's and possibly get a jet, they all just wana run there own business venture, if u still dnt see why what is happenin is totally wrong please take up ur bible and read d whole of ACTS and see how d 1st century christian church was run, i jus tire for churches, its all about d money, its so glaring!!!, and u mentioned three pastors that were trained under oyedepo, and as we can all see they are stinkingly rich guys now, driving big cars,wearin expensive clothes and shoes,mayb also plannin to buy jets as well, cant u see its all about d money![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() , what has christianity turned into![]() a means to material gain ??make 9jarians wise up o and read there bibles, |
Image123:GBAM!!!!!:, ur answer is perfect, and also many say like 1billion amens b4 they end there prayers, thats absurd and not accordin to Jesus's instruction on how to prayer, that too is vain repitition, |
the trinity teachin is just so jejune and fallacious, i ask myself, and ask others who believ in d trinity, if God came down in d form of his son,then it means God sent himself down here, but again i ask,while Jesus was in d tomb for 3days,was there still God in heaven or was Jesus both present in heaven and in d grave simultaneously, trinity teachn fit make normal person mad becos of its discrepancies, can people just believe that God is 1 God and stop this trinity teachn that was copied from paganssss ?? |
we have to rili love God, but most times obeying Gods word even wen it'l discomfort us or restrain us from some pleasure = to love for God, make we try, we shuld be balanced, lets obey God becos we love him, |
kasam:U rili make me laugh, noah preached about a deluge that'l end wicked mankind not temporary prosperity d world back then had to offer, imagine if noah instead of preachin and buildin d ark,he went around runin wit d political class and chasing after material things, he wuld hav been destroyed, adeboyes's prophesies do not commensurate with d work noah did, adeboye shuld be preachin about d worlds endin as d only hope for lastin happiness not some jejune prophesies that even a lil child can do same, let him preach and anticipate an end to this world jus like noah did, |
one very important thing many shuld know is that one must not be born again to gain everlastin life, the robber that was hung beside Jesus didnt even get baptised to be promised paradise more or less bein born again, bein born again(bein baptised with both water and spirit) is a qualification set for those who have a heavenly hope, generally any1 who exercises hope in Jesus and obey his commands will gain everlastin life, what about those like abraham and all d patriachs who died b4 Jesus came to d earth they were never baptised, but they'l all enjoy everlastin life still,but here on earth, |
one very important thing many shuld know is that one must not be born again to gain everlastin life, the robber that was hung beside Jesus didnt even get baptised to be promised paradise more or less bein born again, bein born again(bein baptised with both water and spirit) is a qualification set for those who have a heavenly hope, generally any1 who exercises hope in Jesus and obey his commands will gain everlastin life, what about those like abraham and all d patriachs who died b4 Jesus came to d earth they were never baptised, but they'l all enjoy everlastin life still,but here on earth, |
dayorain:I feel like hugging u, u too get sense, i ask what other prophecies do we need other than d ones penned down in d scriptures, its like many still dont understand why d bible was written and given to us, how can some1 make personal prayers a prophecy, prophecies back then in d bible affected generations, solomon,moses.isaiah,jeremiah,ezekiel,Jesus, even these pastors are part of d fulfillment of what d apostles wrote, prophets back then fortold d down fall of kingdoms centuries b4 they occured with specifics and facts, d apostles prophesied of d end time and what we shuld be expectin in our days, I still cant see d prophecy in what adeboye said, when did Jesus ever prophesy into peoples personal lives as regards material things, nigerians na wa, |
Jesus was there, infact Jesus was d 1st thin/person God his father ever created, then through Jesus he then created all other things, and so Jesus was Gods(his father) master worker, read proverbs 8:22-30, |
ofcus its all because we are living times Jesus prophesied about, his prescense, he has begun ruling in heaven thats why d woes on earth are increasin simultenously, satan d ruler of this world has been driven to d vicinity of d earth,and so calamities keep on happening, some are unforseen,while some are as a result of our own mistakes, sickness and death are things we cnt run away from, and numbers are not rili d problem,the world itself is d problem, y , its ruler has a very short period of time,knowin his destruction is imminent, so dnt be too sad about ur relatives who died,just keep ur head up and march on, i lost relatives too, d truth is life will get more critical and critical until Jah ends it all, lets just keep on anticipatin d end |
lol, christians are not under d law that prohibits d eatin of some animals and d callin of some animals unclean, d vision/dream given to peter @ acts 10:10-16 clearly explains both symbolically and materially that we shuld call no animal unclean, the law given to moses on such were replaced with christ's law, so i dey wak snail steady, hehehehe |
lets all pray for d world to end, pray for Gods kingdom to come just as Jesus urged us to, because there is no human that can bring an end to all these lawlessness, until satan is destroyed,d earth wil never know peace, wicked men will keep on advancin from bad to worse, stay awake people!!!!:, stand firm!!!!, d end is around d corner |
is oyedepo a prophet ?because i had and have never seen a prophet since from prophet samuel,moses,jeremiah,isiah,habakkuk,hosea,zechariah,amos,Jesus,d 12 apostles and apostle paul that gathered so much wealth d way oyedepo has, they all had littl materially and led a simple life,bt oyedope lives like d president of nigeria, and all those prophets were servant leaders who were never afraid of telin d truth even though it wuld lead to death,while oyedepo is a "lord it over leader" that has sucked wealth from his gullible cohorts.proud and arrogant, those prophets solely and implicitly depended on God for protection even when they knew danger was all around them, but oyedepo trusts more in d guns,bodyguards and mopols that secure him, i dnt want to hear anybody call that man a prophet of God, he is and wil never be 1, u tink prophesyin those jejune prophecies about ammassing wealth , how 1 wil get promotions @ work place,how a stealing politician will win an election,and how to drive jets is what d likes of d above mentioned biblical prophets prophesied about , u oyedepo followers shuld grow up and learn from Jesus, not from a business tycoon, |
adolfe bad:Remember Jesus death is what shuld concern us, his birth is not what we shuld wory about becos its not d 1st time he existed, we shuldnt be choosin dates on our own presumpteously to engage in self indulgence and put Jesus in d middle, Jesus is not our toy we play wit, deep him in a pagan celebration and expect him to smile bak @ us, and remember u didnt choose d date, christmas had its origin since d 3rd century after Jesus death, u met d celebration, so its origin shuld concern u, a pope chose that day not d early christians, so there's a beginin and its pagan, why cant we avoid it just as Jesus and his apostles will do, remember christianity shuld hav notin to do wit paganism, i want u to go to wiklipedia and search for d word SATURNALIA, then u'l see were exchange of gifts on dec 25th started from, u'l see were d mistletoe's in d celebration started from, u'l see how ur xmas tree came about, what about d public banquet, followed by private n publik gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere and licentious behaviour amongst xmas celebrants??what about st nicolaus a.k.a father xmas(santa claus) , how on earth does that fairy tale guy relate to Jesus??, that too u'l see were it originated from, Jesus culd never be more angry wit xmas, lets be rational bible students so as not be feedin on both satans table and on Gods table, thanks |
most times professed christians forget that they r suppose to be followers of Jesus steps and not followers of there presumpteousness self, the commemorations d isrealites observed that was in connection with d temple and with judaism back then ranging from d pass over,unfermented cakes,sabbath,first fruits and d rest were all commandments from God to d isrealites, there was never a time d isrealites wuld engage in a religious celebration that was out of Gods mandate if not that'l incur death, because celebrations involvin judaism dat had any pagan trait spelled destruction for d isrealites, even d isrealites never celebrated there own birthdays let alone tink of organisin 1 for d messiah who had longed lived in heaven for billions of years b4 comin to d earth, we still tink of our lord as a little baby, Jesus birth has no significance for christians because it wasnt d 1st time he was existing, it is his death that means a lot to mankind and that is d only means thru which we culd gain salvation, that is why Jesus gave d command wit his own mouth that we commemorate his death and ofcus his death day is shown in d bible, mary his mother,d apostles,early christians all never celebrated xmas, we are not d 1st christians to ever exist, apostle paul @ ephesians chapter 2 verse 20 & 21 said all christians shuld be built up on d foundation of d prophets,d apostles and on Jesus d chief corner stone, so all d traditions of d apostles who were d co-founders of christianity are wat we shuld be imitatin n doin, xmas was never in that box, even paul warned early christians @ galatians 4:9 & 10 not to scrupulously continue to observe days & months & seasons & years, he called that attitude weak and beggarly elementary things, even d sabbath,d first fruit celebration were things d early christians gradually abandoned after d death of Jesus, and here we are borrowin a pagan celebration to commemorate christ birth which he himself never celebrated nor commanded nor begged his followers to celebrate on his behalf, because a pope in the 3rd century after d death of d apostles chose dec 25th d date for d birthday of d sun god to commemorate d birth of Jesus doesnt make it wholesome, d pope was never a foundation of d church, d bible we hav enlightens us on all we need to know, d same way xmas started and has nw become profound in d church is how gradually gay marraige is been accepted and soon to become trivialised and generally accepted in years to come, if d bible never mentioned d date of Jesus birth and even d births of many servants of God in d bible like abraham,noah,david,solomon and all of them it shuld tel a lot of professed christians smetin important, it shows that birthday celebrations was sometin that never existed amongst servants of God startin from abel to d early christians , not until d catholiks came wit this wahala that d whole world of christendom is now followin, i mean why cant people just for once follow there masters foot steps??, its not like we cant as individuals come together to hav a good time, but why put Jesus in d middle when it has notin to do with him??and especially when its pagan , suger coatin a pagan holiday to make it christian defeats christianity, these are 1 of d reasons why christianity means notin to many like pagans and atheist, its no longer a serious thing jus d way it started, many atheists and pagans celebrate xmas just as a secular holiday when they'l be able to hav much time to flex and engage in self indulgence & immorality and not as a christian mandated holiday, it has nt stopped them from bein pagans, like a researcher ones said, "christianity never destroyed paganism,it rather adopted it", Jesus was and is not part of xmas, every celebrant is @ his/her own risk, Jesus never begged for this and he will in the end disown works and celebrations that never originated with him, let us take note of this that traditions of men have notin to do with Jesus nor his heavenly Father, we shuld be very skeptical about these so called religious celebrations, if they are not biblical then they shuldnt in anyway be connected to Jesus, because Jesus is holy and notin unholy shuld be tagged to him, celebrate d xmas but know Jesus is never in it, |
God2man:What deep revelation ?just to understand simple arrangements outlined in d bible now needs extra prayer , women were allowed to preach to people outside, but when it comes to d church its a tabboo for a woman to be a leader, i mean u jus quoted acts, please flip thru d pages of d NT from matthew to revelation to see if u'l find d word deaconness, d bible is not a magic book were u need so much prayer to understand, this is not a prophecy were we need deeper insight to grasp d meaning, this is a standard set by Jesus on how his congregation should be run, women are to keep silent, all women, they are not to teach or exercise authority a man in d church, all those men who sit down to listen to a pastor mrs wen she steps on d pullpit are all fools, mary,tabitha,peters wife,lydia,prisca, all these faithful women never served as deaconesses, it was forbiden and still forbidden accordin to d scripture, |
its totally wrong and unacceptable, infact when i see female pastors,bishop mrs and deaconnesses i get so discouraged as to how christendom has abused Gods spiritual arrangement, i mean after these pastors have read 1corinthians 14:33-35, and 1timothy 2:11-13 why do they still presumpteously appoint females to teach,stand on d pulpit to teach a crowd, i mean i wonder if all the pastors have eye problems and dirts in there ear drums , why cant they for once apply and obey theocratic order, infact any church that has bishop mrs,deaconneses and pastor mrs is not a church of christ, because God is not a God of disorderliness but of arrangement, even d qualifications @ 1timothy3:1-16 for bishops and deacons are meant for only men, but today women too are struglin for these offices, its just like sayin that women durin d isrealite days could also serve as priests and under-priests in Gods temple, that will be an abormination, and thats exactly d same wit women runnin around with there big caps and gele's answerin pastor mrs and deaconesses, crasy!!!! |
have y'all forgotten to pray for d world to end ![]() ??, i mean that shuld be d prayer point that shuld be 1st on our prayer list, because no matter how much we pray for things to get better in this bedeviled temporary world ,d more we move deep into d last days, and ofcus none of our prayers can avert or stop the signs of d end times from happening, Jesus himself prophesied about our times, earth quakes will continue as usual and in higher magnitudes,immorality and self indulgence will rapidly increase,wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse,pestilences will be making headlines on the news, what about terrorism and crime we all know the answer, in all we do we shuld never forget to pray for Gods kingdom to come,because that is d only avenue thru which all mankinds predicaments can be a thing of d past, death(our worst enemy),hunger,sicknesses,old age,crime wil all pass away jus like chaff bein blown away by wind, lets hold on to bible prophesies and anticipate an end to this ungodly world just like noah did, thanks |
i'm so happy to see many professed christians who use d usual slogan "DONT JUDGE" when ever there religious clerics are lambasted for teachin fables to milk there followers dry ,,to see n feel how it tastes when others use those words on them, when 1 tries to explain what is right d next thing u hear is DONT JUDGE, Now the whole world ruled by satan hides behind this slogan to perpatrate all kinds of evil, ranging from materialism to immorality to corruption and d rest, while i aint homophobic i know when God descends to judge all mankind only few will make it, he said in his holy scripture that neither thieves,nor fornicators(premarital sex amongst d opposite sex and same sex,),,nor drunkards,nor idolaters(which money and fame is part of),nor extortioners(including our modern day pastors who extort from there cohorts all in d name of Jesus), all these sets of persons d bible says will not inherit Gods kingdom, so whats next ?d way we frown @ homosexuals and gays shuld be exactly d same way we shuld frown @ a drunkard or unmarried couples who co-habit b4 marraige and also our thieving senetors who criminalised gay marraige, God will judge all of them, if my actions do not meet up wit Gods standards when d end comes then let God destroy me too, shikena!!!, because this world has indeed bein destined for destruction, lets double check our selves rather than overly focus on gays, |
it has always been said dat d wisdom of this world is foolishness with our creator, with all d school soyinka went to he stil cannot understand that our morality is 1 thing we are to safeguard, proverbs says grey headedness when its not in confirmity wit Gods ways is foolishness, what will wole soyinka teach young kids that becos bein gay or engagin in gay acts is private so people can jus go on wit it even if they can be helped doesnt posterity tell soyinka that d earlier this madness is curbed d better for our children children, there shuld always be a limit to our ambitions if not we all mite end up like soyinka, goin to school is not all that matters, soyinka who has all d human wisdom bt does nt even knw God & respect his standards, vanity!!!, |
i wuld say i have given but i'v never recieved a bribe, i dont rili know if i can call it a bribe, mayb u guys can help me define it, a lecturer coerced all of us in my class to pay some compulsory cash to pass his course, i'm 1 of d best students in my department,but still had to pay to make sure d guy didnt victimize me, infact almost all in my class had to pay, those who didnt pay got a very big F9, @poster, wuld u call that a bribe??i jus dnt know how to define it, its been troubling me for a while now |
my problem is why are these mog's always around winches , cant d church just for once be free from demon possessed people , never did Jesus or his apostles gather witches to d synagogue to cast them out, they always met d victims of such circumstance while on d streets,and in impromptu situations, but today one oga go jus gather crowd to himself and do what he likes with them, and this is d result, |
for all those tryin to defend d action of oyedopo by referin to Jesus's reaction to d buyers & sellers in d temple,it'l surprise u all to know that Jesus was even in that case fulfilling a bible prophecy directed to him alone by david in d book of psalms, where it says that " the zeal for his Fathers house will eat him up", and besides Jesus wiped out physical beins who were exhibitin corrupt practices in d congregation not those possesed by demons, And i dont tink there was ever a time when Jesus had dealins with witches either in d temples or synagogues, almost all of Jesus miracles were performed out doors,on d streets,in d homes of people and market places, what oyedepo shuld be doin is slappin himself for bein a peddler of Gods word, sellin bible based literatures to make so much gain and coaxing a general public to sow seed in him is tantamount to spiritual fraud,, this was d same reason Jesus flogged those robbers out, and what he shuld be concerned about is excommunicating those thieving politicians who occupy front seats in his church, and as a matter of fact those big men in front sits are d ogboni occult men that needs d slap not this small little girl, churches these days r filled with rubbish, instead of preachin and anticipatin d end of this wicked world oyedepo is there slappin helpless kids, Jesus will surely deny many MOG's when d end comes becos they r definitly nt doin His fathers will |
??, or which levite or priest became wealthy,riding on horses and chariots & usin armed soldiers @ d expense of d tithes paid to them from d other 11 tribes of isreal