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my bro 1corinthians verse 14 go just answer this ur question,
The truth is when ever speaking in tongues was employed back then in d 1st century church interpretation was mandatory,
.why??Because the 1 speaking was to benefit d audience not himself, paul said if 1 speaks in tongues & what he is sayin is not understood by d audience then infact that individual is speakin to the air,
Upbuilding is the key word!!!,
Not every1 back then spoke in tongues,some spoke, others interpreted all for d benefit of the congregation,
But today u go see everybody dey speak in tongues in a church like barbarians without achievin a single thing with it,
The apostles spoke in different tongues to convey Gods word to those who culdnt understand d hebrew language, infact that is d main reason why the spirit of tongues was sent,
Christianity started with d jews but in other for that small number of christians to spread d goodnews to samaria,arabia,asia they had to speak d languages of those people
, how could they have accomplished this huge task if not for d holy spirit that enabled them speak in tongues(languages) that was not d hebrew language,
Ask d churches today what they accomplish wit speakin in useless unknown tongues that benefit nobody & neither themselves,
Why does some1 need to speak in a tongue when everybody in a gathering speaks & understands english?
Infact 1corinthians 13 tells us that those powers will & have actually ceased, and truthfully they have ceased because it is evident that all those speaking in tongues today just speak rubbish that benefits nobody, the christian cong has been fully established, we have a complete bible now in all existing languages in d world,
the christian church is no longer that infant it was in 33c.e but grown now, !!!!

joagbaje, it was neither pauls nor d apostles choice to not become rich,they were only following bible principles so as not to be distracted & so that they could have freeness of speech to speak to d congregations,
He did it & all d apostles had to be neither rich nor poor so that they can fully accomplish there ministry & also not to be choked by d deceptive powers of riches,
Imagine if the apostles were all rich/wealthy fellows how would they have spoken to d congregations??, how would d apostles send those words written @ 1timothy6??, they knew amassing material riches would cause notin bt distraction & destruction to there faith,
Many feel that d apostles preached like d lazy pastors of today who stay on pullpits to teach people how to aquire wealth, all d apostles moved from door to door,town to town,people to people to declare Gods word,sometin that pastors & there followers will never or barely do, tell me where will d time come from to amass wealth or to think of becoming rich
Let d churches today teach meaninful things rather than teach material prosperity, ,, it doesnt make any sense, people can always work to meet there basic needs,but becoming rich/wealthy is not commensurate with Gods blessings
The richest persons in the world today barely serve God so been rich is not a sign that 1 is a servant of God, thats why d example of d apostles & Jesus is always there for us.
, 99% of wat d churches teach shuld be hw they can store up treasures in heaven(spiritual prosperity), not how to be obsessed wit financial breakthru in this temporary mumu world,
Marraige is optional ur correct
, but godly contentment is not optional, its a requirement for all christians if we want to imitate Jesus & serve God completely,

Joagbaje:
The apostle sacrificed to reach others, they denied themselves they were not poor. If a man decides to Fast, does it mean he can't afford a meal? . All Inge belong to us. We have different callings. Every calling has its sacrifice. Some sacrifice food, shelter,marriage , comfort. It's a personal choice. If paul denied himself wealth he didn't impose it on the church. They sacrificed do that the brethren can be comfortable . That's their lot.

2 Corinthians 4:12
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 6:10
(We) As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Every christian has inheritance . Every christen may not be rich , but at least they have the right to know what belongs to them. Let the rest be for their choices and callings.

So you must understand the difference between self denial and lack . They are not the same. We are rich in Christ. The wealth of the christian is not for opulence but for giving .

D apostles were neither poor or rich,but most times they fell on d poor side, they literally had nothing materially,
My question is why cant d churches teach that?
Instead of the churches runin around wit prosperity teachins that neither d apostles or Jesus taught why not teach d people d right thing?
Quote scriptures like
***1timothy 6:6-10
***proverbs 30:7-9
***matthew 19:24
***matthew 6:19-24
pastors today barely open those verses to there members, why??,
And because they wont teach d truth many 9jarians who attend churches will always end up bein materialistic becos they learn notin but how to become materially prosperous, cant u see how d country is all messed up
many now equate material achievments to Gods blessings, its so so wrong,
Materialism has eaten deep into nigeria becos of this prosperity teachings,
Govt officials will steal they'l call it Gods blessings,
Na wa for 9ja

@frosbel, u want make i open bible show u say Jesus na morning star??,
I know u even know that verse,
Infact all angels are called morning stars & Jesus too was called that too,
Can the almighty God be a or the morning star?,
Frosbel answer me,
I want to show u that titles is what has goten trinitarians crasy,
There r many titles that Jesus bear that humans & angels also bear,but that does not mean we'l equate them with Jesus,
***Jesus is & was called an apostle & high priest(hebrews 3:1), humans played & play those roles

***Jesus was called A or The morning star(revelations 2:27&28) & (revelations 22:16), all d angels too are called morning star(job 38:7)

***Jesus is & was called Yahwehs servant(isaiah 53:2 & 11) & also (acts 3:13,26 & acts 4;27& 30), , so are all christians & angels servants of Yahweh

***Jesus is & was called a/The son of man

***Jesus is called king of kings, nebuchadnezzar & solomon were also called king of kings(daniel 2:36&37),


then coming to the GOD issue,
Satan too is called a GOD
Moses was called a GOD even by Yahweh,

Frosbel use names to distinguish who & who ur referring to becos titles wont take us anywhere,
Titles are not names,becos titles can be answered by any1, ,
My point is becos Jesus could have d priviledge of sharing some titles that Yahweh bears does not make Jesus equal to Yahweh or make Jesus almighty God,
if we want to go by titles then we are all d same be it wether we r humans or spirit creatures, becos we can answer any title,
But 1 fact is no one can answer that name Yahweh except just one person,not even Jesus can answer that name, and that person is the 1 Yahweh Jesus @ mark 12:29& 30 recalled to his apostles & d jews,
the use of personal name matters a lot because we can be anytin with by just aquiring titles,

plaetton:
I just shake my head at the things I come across on this forum and I really wonderin what planet some of these posters are living,

I remember that economics was a compulsory course in junior secondary school . I remember that economics deals primarily with wealth: how it is created and how it distributed and managed. From a simple study of secondary school economics it becomes obvious to a thinking person that wealthy nations produce more wealthy individuals and not visa versa. Also , that natons become wealthy based on how efficiently they organise and allocate both their natural and human resources. Period. I dont remember reading about who is a child of god and who not a child of god. Unless the laws of economics have changed, there are no "Hail marys" about economics and the prosperity of nations and individuals.
For anyone who is old enough to remember, there was a time when a mid level civil servant, christian, muslim,religious or not, could afford to build a house, drive a car and train his children to any educational level. This was in the sixties and seventies. Since the early 80s our economy tanked and our standard of living have followed in the same direction ever since.
Eversince, the means of producing wealth and prosperity have gradually faded from our landscape as factories and warehouses have long given way to mega churches(what an Irony). and ofcourse, everyone shouted halleluya.
I'm sure the Op has not made the connection between closed factories and increasing poverty.
People need to understand that There is nothing personal about poverty. According to yesterdays news, 80% of Nigerians are poor and there is nothing to corrolate this state of affairs with anyones religious belief.
Obviously, our past leaders have not done a good job of efficiently allocating and managing our vast natural and human resources.l
There are more poor people in poor countries. That is just common sense. Thats is why people from poor countries migrate to richer countries so that they too can have an opportunity to be comfortable or rich.
This idea of personalizing one's poor economic situation is just one of those gimmiks employed to exploit the vulnerable among us.
If you want to improve ur financial or economic situation, then get a skill. a markatable skill.
Stop the deciet and delusions.

I just cant thank u enough for this ir comment,
The annoying part of this whole material prosperity dogma bein taught by the clerics today is that after theyv fine tuned there gullible followers to always pray for money to fall down from heaven(materialism) it is d pastors bank account that gets fat,
Also after encouragin there docile members to pray 4 financial breakthru it is this same pastors that will support the nigerian corrupt govt to fleece there members(citizens) dry,
just recently d poverty rate of 9ja increased,meanwhile almost everybody goes to church prayin for breakthru,instead of them to work hard & stop stealing,

frosbel, there is something Jesus is that shows he is not d almighty God & d almighty God cannot be described with such expression,
Jesus is a morning star,
Almighty God can never be the or a mornin star

I hope u know who morning stars are?

@poster, satan is God too, so how do we handle d situation??
When u use the term or title GOD it just doesnt click, because anythin or anybody could be GOD,
Mayb i culd help u re-write ur question well

**Is Jesus YAHWEH,
jUST go straight to d point & lets know what to do, :-)
As for d holy spirit i dont know how it became God, i tink i might need to see scriptures where persons even did obeiscance to d holy spirit,

Joagbaje:
It's their choice. Some didn't get married too. Does it make marriage wrong?

Prove it. That's your own idea

My bro if it was all about physical wealth @ least just 1 of the apostles would have been wealthy,
how come they were all just normal guys who just had there basic needs met or sometimes had nothing..none of the apostles,i repeat none of them were rich!!!!
Even an apostle who was prominent & probably wealthy,droped his wealth & prominence to serve God well, and that was apostle paul,
All d apostles were very rich spiritually but had little materially, there example & d example of Jesus shows that when ever Jesus talked about riches it always refered to spiritual riches, and there lives reflected what they taught,
Abeg no be Jesus wey say e go easy for camel to pass thru d hole of a needle than for a rich man to enter into Gods kingdom,
U tink d apostles will stupidly chase after wealth even if they legally get it after hearin those words from Jesus
Poor or not Gods kingdom shuld be our priority,
If Jesus & his apostles were poor so to say(becos they had notin realy, Jesus had no home, even his disciples left there jobs to preach) why are christians today So keen about wealth! Wealth!! Wealth!!!,when it will lead many not to inherit Gods kingdom, ??
.if it aint about money many christians today aint sayin noting

@judek, so ur saying that 1 who worships Yahweh is not a christian??
But actually d real followers of christ are those who worship the God of christ,
Imitate Jesus in that aspect, cant u?,
Please read Jesus's reply to d jews @ mark 12:29 & 30

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Vs 29::Yeshua said to him, “The first of all the commandments: 'Hear Israel, THE LORD JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH, he is One.' “,
vs 30::“'And you shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your entire soul and with your entire mind and with all your power.' This is the first commandment”

Please wen u read it ask urself if i'm wrong,

Joagbaje:
A christian can be poor through ignorance if Christ riches for him. Jesus died for our sin,sickness,poverty .

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


A christian who remain poor after Christ had be made poor on his behalf has himself to blame

What about his apostles?
were they rich
That 1 corinthians u quoted does not refer to physical wealth @ all,but spiritual,
If it was physical then it should have reflected on d 1st century christians & d apostles,rather they were not realy having(being rich) but were contented,
as long as we hav our basic needs covered we shuld be content,
Now that is christianity!!!

@judek, was my comment wrong in any way?, why would u worship the messanger and abandon the sender??
did u kill Yahweh?, imitate Jesus by worshiping who Jesus worshiped,
does that sound wrong?,

frosbel:
Nope, I do not hold onto such.

Indeed Christ is sitting on the right hand of the Father as we speak, and God's spirit is working on earth convicting mankind of sin, righetosness and judgement while building his church.

So I am not a Modalist

This is a mystery, let us leave it at that.

philosophers made it the mysteryit is today, all the apostles knew who Jesus was, all the apostles were jews and so they knew who was God almighty, they werent confused,

na we dey confuse ourselves today, like i told you,where ever the philosophies of men go to confusion arises, apostle paul & peter warned about all of it,

1 thing i'm sure of is we are not holding the most original manuscript the apostles penned down, the bible has been tampered with so much.

but if we have to be sure of anything,it should be that Yahweh is the only true God, and that he is greater than Jesus, there is no other truth as clear as that,

thank you, where do u reside?state?

@frosbel, be careful not to teach & uphold MODALISM ooooooo,

tertullian ran away from the modalism theory & propounded d trinity dogma,
Now many trinitarians are tryin to find a way out of it & by so doing they are going back to the MODALISM theory,
When philosophers get involved with anythin confusion sets in, and that is exactly what has happened to this whole trinity wahala,
@snowwy, why wont kjv be questioneddid it fall from heavenwas it d kjv d apostles used?
The kjv was translated by 1 who was under the influence of the catholics, the kjv uses words like uni-corns,add words from d vulgates that were never in d original greek writings, and that is how this 1 john 5:7 came about in the kjv, and all that attempt was made to support the trinity dogma,
Infact d more recent bible translations should be more reliable since they now know better about translations and word expressions, imagine words like easter in the kjv & other earlier translations that existed along side d kjv, no be madness be that??,
Now ask me how easter take go enter d bibledid d early christians celebrate easter or passover, did Jesus celebrate easter,
I know kjv has tried to translated d bible for us today & i appreciate that,but that doesnt mean they didnt make mistakes or try to implant there own views while doing d translation work,
Lets be realistic, haba!!

***a   christian   is   1   who in imitation of Christ   will   not   engage in canal warfare either to support a nation or a tribe, even if he or she faces serious persecution becos of it
***a christian is 1 who in imitation of Christ will keep seperate from the world,also a christian is 1 who will imitate d apostles of Christ
***a christian is 1 who in imitation of christ will be ready & willing to die for a fellow brother if d situation calls for it
***a christian is 1 who will obey God as ruler rather than men
***a christian is 1 who  in imitation of Jesus will not worship Jesus(himself),but worship the 1 God Jesus worshiped(Yahweh),
Thanks

Snowwy:
1 John 5:7

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (KJV)

Please compare wit other translations,
I could just help u out, see verse 7 from other translations,

New International Version (©1984) For there are three that testify:
New Living Translation (©2007) So we have these three witnesses--
English Standard Version (©2001) For there are three that testify:
New American Standard Bible (©1995) For there are three that testify:



U dey see am?

eliment:
@belabela GOD bless you. You have said it all, for those making blatant argument and using human ideology to explain spiritual things read ''JOHN 1:1-14'' if the bible could refer to Jesus as God then who are you to question that. We are not saying there are 3 different Gods but that there 3 persons in the God head working for the salvation of mankind.
In mathew 28:19 Jesus himself spoke about it when he said:
'' go yes then and preach to all nations_BAPTISING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND OF THE HOLY GHOST'' what else do you want in 1 JOHN 5:7 the bible say 3 things give witness in heaven THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. Pls read your bible well, question what your pastors are tell you through extensive studying of the BIBLE. Thanks

Yahweh himself once refered to moses as a God, do u worship moses?
The bible also refers to satan as a God, do u worship satan?
My problem wit y'all is the word elohim or el can apply to any bein other than Yahweh,
Did d bible ever tell u that Jesus is d God of isreal,d God of isaac & Jacobor where did Jesus ever use his own mouth to say he is the God of isreal & so we all should worship him??Yahweh always declared who he was & asked for absolute worship from d isrealites,infact he commanded them to worship only him(Yahweh),,
If Jesus is the 1 God then he should hav declared it with his own mouth when he came & after his ascension, but how could he when he worshiped some1 else??
When u mention God be specific which 1 ur mentioning because u urself can be a God,
These are d reasons why the only true God has a name, and u guys fail to use that name just to get away with trinity,
, Jesus worships a supreme being,& that supreme being is the one Jesus himself encouraged all of us to worship,
Jesus is a God(elohim) by his high position in heaven & also d much authority he was given but he is not the 1 true God he himself spoke about @ john 17:3, 1corinthians 8:5 & 6 should help too,
i'l give u an example of title wahala, all the angels in heaven are called "morning stars" @ job 38:7 & so is Jesus called too @ revelation 2:28,/22:16, But does that make Jesus on the same level with d other angels or does that mean they share a morning star head with Jesus?
It only just describes Jesus that he shares some certain things wit d angels & it also describes his nature too
But 1 thing is established,the 1 true God cannot be called a morning star because he isnt never will be, now thats the big difference between Yahweh & Jesus, them no be mate
the apostles knew what they wrote in those scriptures, They werent drunks,
No matter how they use vague or some confusing expressions they always @ d end of it all clarify issues by pin pointing who alone is God which is Yahweh, d apostles always worshiped Yahweh not d messiah, they werent drunk to have done that,
And mind u please open to other translations and read that same 1john 5:7 & 8 and tell me if king james wasnt driven by his trinity mentality to fix those words into d bible, please do that

Most Hebrew and Greek words that can denote worship can also be applied to acts other than literal worship. However, the context determines in what way the respective words are to be understood.
One of the Hebrew words conveying the idea of worship (ʽa·vadh′) basically means “serve.” (Ge 14:4; 15:13; 29:15) Serving or worshiping Yahweh required obedience to all of his commands, doing his will as a person exclusively devoted to him. (Ex 19:5; De 30:15-20; Jos 24:14, 15) Therefore, for an individual to engage in any ritual or act of devotion toward any other gods signified his abandoning true worship.—De 11:13-17; Jg 3:6, 7.
Another Hebrew term that can denote worship is hish·ta·chawah′, which primarily means “bow down” (Pr 12:25), or do obeisance. Whereas such bowing could at times simply be an act of respect or of courteous regard toward another person (Ge 19:1, 2; 33:1-6; 37:9, 10), it could also be an expression of worship, indicating one’s reverence and gratitude to God and submission to his will. When used with reference to the true God or false deities, the word hish·ta·chawah′ is at times associated with sacrifice and prayer. (Ge 22:5-7; 24:26, 27; Isa 44:17) This would indicate that it was common to bow down when praying or offering sacrifice
The Hebrew root sa·ghadh′ (Isa 44:15, 17, 19; 46:6) basically signifies “prostrate oneself.” The Aramaic equivalent is usually associated with worship (Daniel 3:5-7, 10-15, 18, 28), but it is used at Daniel 2:46 to refer to King Nebuchadnezzar’s paying homage to Daniel, prostrating himself before the prophet
Let us take note that when ever d word worship is used it doesn’t always literally mean rendering service & sacrifice to a deity just as we would do to Yahweh the only true God…, it also means service rendered to kings, prostrating b4 older persons or lords, bowing down, reverence etc…,
In d past & till today people always bow down,prostrate, to there kings or traditional chiefs or oba’s, the word worship can also be used to describe such acts…, lets always remember that d context should always determine how we use & understand d word worship, because it means a lot of things, we should know when to distinguish when the word worship is used in connection with Yahweh & all other beings, be it spirit beings or humans or false gods….lets always remember that only Yahweh deserves our exclusive devotion(worship)…Jesus agreed to that when he told satan at Mt 4:10 that only Yahweh deserves our full devotion & worship…
For Trinitarians who always quote scriptures saying Jesus was worshipped & so it means Jesus was God, this whole research is for u…all d quotations from Hebrews 1:6,matthew 14:33 etc…all shows Jesus was respected & revered, prostrated at his feet not literally given worship that belongs to his Father(Yahweh)…even philipians2:9 & 10 explains all what it meant when people worshiped Jesus or that Jesus should be worshiped(bend down, prostrate, respect,revere), that scripture shows that every knee shall bow down to Jesus as Yahwehs king designate, the greek word pro·sky·ne′o is what is used both in Hebrews :1:6 & in matthew 18:26 quoted below and it corresponds to the Hebrew word hish·ta·chawah, Yahweh will not elevate & annoint his son & then allow him to be literally given worship that belongs to him alone(Yahweh), Jesus knew his position & will never assume himself to be equal with his Dad, thereby claiming worship belonging to his Father
For further clarification on this word worship lets also see matthew 18:26…
*Kjv reads::the servant therefore fell down & worshipped him,saying,Lord have patience with me & I will pay u all
*NIV reads::the servant fell on his knees b4 him.’be patient with me’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything
*Weymouth new testament. Reads::the servant therefore falling down, prostrated himself at his feet &entreated him ‘only give me time ‘he said’ and I will u the whole
Ofcus the king here wasn’t literally worshiped but was revered & was shown full respect by d slave by his bowing down…all isrealite kings were worshipped becos all isrealites did obeiscance or bowed down b4 them…,
Lets always know when to read extra ordinary meanings into the word “worship”

goshen360:
I cannot give answer more than my understanding. My understanding is, God is a Spirit and they that worship must worship in spirit and in truth. Spirit and Ghost usage in the bible differs. God is a Spirit as said, I am not talking about evil spirit anyway. My God is GOOD.

is an evil spirit not synonymous to a ghost?
Or isnt an apparition synonymous to a ghost, if they are,then why use it to describe Gods holy spirit?
You agreed that God definitly is a spirit not a ghost as john 4:24 tells us,but why would people sometimes define his spirit as a ghost,
My problem is king james knew he could use d most appropriate word @ that time which was "holy spirit" but he chose to use holy ghost,
I guess he had sometin in mind for using a ghost to describe Gods spirit,
D truth is persons use those words inter-changeably & it doesnt jus make sense,

d apostles warned several times about how philosophies of men will creep into d church & turn many away,
Not long after all d apostles died then came philosophers with there upside down thoughts,
Tertullian in an effort to run away from the theory of MODALISM,came up with the trinity concept, and here we are in a world where almost all professed christians believe in the trinity, the artesians in collaboration with philosophers propounded this dogma that has caused so much confusion, if Jesus never believed in the trinity & taught it why should we humans insinuate d doctrine & force it on Yahweh & Jesus his son
, it was becos of the trinity pagan oriented dogma that d holy spirit was forced into d trinity set up,
Have u all not wondered why when ever d trinity issue comes up much of d argument 95% of it focuses on God & his son,while 5% is for d holy spirit, d founders of this dogma thought of how to add a 3rd figure to fit into the pagan formular(trinity), pagans have long in advance always worshiped there gods in triads, in egypt,greece & in babylon triune gods were d order of d day, and Yahweh always warned his servants not to even go close to dis nations because of there worshipin false/triune gods,
To our greatest surprise here are acclaimed followers of christ worshipin God in d triad form,
There's somethin that Jesus told the samaritan woman by d well side that makes me know that d trinity teachin is so crazy, Jesus even acknowledged who & only who we shuld worship & whom he worshiped,
John 4:22,25&26
If any1 would boldly tell us about trinity it should be nobody else but Jesus, but he didnt,
all Jesus did was tell & remind us of who we should render exclusive devotion to, infact 1 of d main reasons Jesus came from heaven was to explain almighty God to us & explain he did, Jesus boldly told d samaritan woman that he knows whom he worships and also boldly told her that he is the sent messiah(christ) that they'v all been expecting,
.Jesus, several times emphasized that his Father is greater than he is,
@ john 17:3 he used his own mouth to proclaim Yahweh as d only true God,
Only trinitarians/philosophers wuld read d bible & believe there r 3 gods in 1,

@goshen@joagbaje@akinnux,
Can we say God is a ghost by ur reasonings?
, if by what y'all imply, ghost & spirit mean 1 & d same thing can we say God is a ghost?
Yes or No

lol, goshen u don craze finish,
How did u settle down to think & write all these??, its like u don study this whole thing finish,
You are right with ur observations,but just pity these pastors them small,
All i want is for them to stop all those anointing 5hit,handkerchief trash & teach d truth, they can make adjustments and move on,but they just wont do it,
In my opinion 9ja would be a better place if this whole prosperity preaching is stopped, we would hav less materialistic individuals who will want to live a life of contentment just as d bible wants & who will not steal & embessle cash to d detriment of d poor,

do these 2 terms "HOLY SPIRIT" and "HOLY GHOST" mean one & d same thing??, have we ever sat down to ask ourselves this question
Should & can these 2 terms be used inter-changeably in d bible or when we pray for it??.
Which of these 2 terms would best describe GOD's spirit?
from the definition of the word "GHOST" which means
1. The spirit of a dead person, especially one believed to appear in bodily likeness to living persons
or to haunt former habitats.
2. The center of spiritual life; the soul.
3. A demon or spirit.
4. A returning or haunting memory or image.
can we say that a ghost can actually be holy??,
And did it occur to us all that if we choose to use the term HOLY GHOST as king james describes it,then we would be implying that God the Father is a GHOST,, ,BECAUSE THE Holy spirit is Gods spirit,
Can we say God is a ghost(an apparition)??.
Whats ur pick??which should be used
HOLY SPIRIT or HOLY GHOST,
Recent revised bible translations are now changing & usin the word "HOLY SPIRIT" instead of Holy Ghost,
What about u?

abeg make ona just write out wetin dey happen for d video,
I cant watch it wit my phone now,

@all, the   simple   truth   is   that   what   ever   that  did   not originate   with   God   never   has   his support & backing,
No matter how much people try to talk about d good part of val or any other pagan celebration that has been christianised(without even d support of Jesus) its origin will always surface,
We dont expect God to waste his holy spirit on a celebration or hoilday that never had its root in d holy scriptures, that is d reason why immorality will always dominate d celebration wether people like it or not,
drinking,smoking,fornication,revelry etc,
If valentine was rili approved by God it would never be like this & only few would be celebrating it,
But since d world we live in is filled with lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God everytin goes, hallowen,xmas,valentine,demonik carnivals etc, as long as there's partying people will always find ways to participate,even if it outrightly displeases God,
Who is st valentine to hav a day that'l make d whole world runnin around screaming LOVE, what happened to our master "Jesus"??, even d apostles never instigated days for christians to celebrate,
And hope we all remember that d pagan god cupid is tied up with valentine's day,
Lets be careful oooo

Chuksxp:
The Bible is very clear on the Trinity, consisting of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God with three distinct persons.

Jesus is God!

They came to him, clasped his feet and WORSHIPED him. - Matthew 28:9

If Jesus wasn't God, why did they worship Him? And why didn't he stop them? I mean if you as a true believer today see people worshiping you, wouldn't you tell them to stop?

Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28

Thomas called Jesus God. Why didn't He rebuke Thomas?

But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; - Hebrews 1:8

Woah! The Father calls Jesus God.

Do u know that hebrews 1:8 was a re-quoted verse from psalms 45:6 & 7?,
It was d psalmist david who made that statement not Yahweh, infact that scripture had an earilier fulfillment on solomon b4 it had a grander application on d greater solomon(Jesus), bookmak just told u to read d immediate verse after verse 8, there also is from d psalms 45:6&8 and there david calls Yahweh d God of Jesus, please always read reference scriptures b4 u draw into conclusion, Yahweh can never call Jesus his God, that'l be  madness,
King james was so fast to put down verse 8 like that forgeting that a reference scripture will always be there to defend itself, please kindly open to psalms 45:6&7 and read & tell me if d apostle paul wansnt quoting from that book,
I can show so many scriptures where Jesus called Yahweh his God & also other scriptures where d apostles called Yahweh d God of Jesus, just kindly do a cool research on hebrews 1:8 and psalms 45:6&7,
It was still this same david that saw d vision of Jesus sitting @ d right hand of Yahweh,
Have u ever asked urself why Jesus will wait for somebody his equal to elevate him to a superior position or why Jesus will wait for somebody his equal to anoint him & make him priest??if Jesus is God why be a priest?a priest to who??to himself?, or have u ever asked urself why Jesus will always have to sit down @ d right hand of some1 who is his equal, why not just sit down on the throne ni:-), please critically read d book of psalms i quoted and then later on read hebrews to get a clearer understanding of those verses,
God callin Jesus his God will be like my earthly father callin me his Father, that'l be madness!!, lol

@chuck, let me ask u this questions, no vex o, :-)
How many of the aspirants running for d presidential primaries in the u.s.a do u see having tattoos on there bodies?, or how many persons would have even voted for oboma if he had tattoos covering his body,
How many ambassadors do u see that visit countries to discuss serious issues with tattoos on there body?,
I'm just trying to get to a point by asking these questions,
If ordinary humans who hold responsible positions in govts will not do tattoos because definitly i know they know how irresponsible it'll make them look,how much more Gods representatives
and as regards keepin long hairs and keeping beards witout shaving them i hope you remember pauls admonision to christians found @ 1 corinthians 11:14 & 15, those laws given to d jews on keepin there beards and side hairs uncut or d laws given to the nazarites are all gone, and if u had noticed God gave the isrealites that particular command on hw to keep there hairs because of he wnted there style of hair do to be different from the pagan nations around them, in every thing God did he just wanted his own people to be different,
There r also many laws back then that still stands for christians to obey::like abstaining from blood or things strangled & some few,
I dont think there was ever any isrealite who did tattoos even if it wasnt to please d dead except for those who turned to paganism, no Jew with his or her right senses will inscribe some write up's on there body or have tattoos,
, those instructions are still applicable to us as christians, d apostles never had tattoos on there body,Jesus never had ,d early christians neither,
Why should professed christians today wanna act different by thinking they can & should copy d world by having tattoos, we can imitate all faithful servants in d past as regards this tattoo issue,
I just hope we can, thanks man!

@judek2, yeah satan appeared as a serpent & also still appeared as an angel(a spirit person) many times as we know, but there has never been a time d holy spirit ever appeared as a person just as d bible will let us know that Yahweh,his son (Jesus) & d angels are spirit persons,
D holy spirit is just never in any uni-personal form, its always appearin in different forms other than a person, even when servants of God looked into heavens several times they only just see Yahweh sitting on his glorious throne & his son Yehshua(Jesus) sitting @ his right hand, never has d holy spirit ever been seen in such visions, i wonder where d holy spirit always goes to when ever that picture is taken,
Those clear visions or revelations were seen by daniel,david,john & stephen, and in all visions d holy spirit was never seen,
Just try to get my point, the voice Jesus replied to when been baptised was his Daddy's voice acknowledging him as his son & appointed messiah, Yahweh is so distinct from his son that is why he culd speak from d heavens & people heard his voice & Jesus spoke back, this whole dribble dribble as to prove trinity dogma is just not helpin,
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And why should u choose to worship the high priest leading us to Yahweh and despise the Yahweh himself, Jesus ever beg us to worship am??, when did Jesus ever use his mouth to say "WORSHIP ME"when & where,
All d work Jesus did when he came to earth was to enable us worship his Father in spirit & in truth,,
He said he is d door to the Father,that no one can come to d Father except thru him,
Why worship d mediator & despise the almighty God??why,
Its not like God is dead & so Jesus is there to represent him in heaven & so if we worshiped Jesus we'v worshiped Yahweh, Jesus said if we obey his words then we hav obeyed his Father,he never said if we worship him then we'v worshiped God, never has Jesus ever asked for worship in d bible or called himself almighty God, it baffles me how humans are forcing that on him, the truth is Jesus himself worships Yahweh,so imitate him, just worship Yahweh thru his son (Jesus christ), that is what will make Jesus happy with you, because all Jesus wants his for his Fathers name to be sanctified,u should do d same, read John 17:25 & 26, imitate Jesus my freind

@chux, so u support tattoo's as long as its nt for the dead
Then mayb it definitly means some isrealites had tattoo's on there bodies?
Would u assume that??, d truth is God gave that command on tattoos because it was a trend happening with d pagan nations around isreal & it was demonik,even down till today, how would Gods people back then remain neutral & different??by simply obeying that command in leviticus, no isrealite would ever wake up to think that he/she could have tattoos to the glory of God,, even if it was YAHWEH that they inscribe on there bodies,
, the isrealites had to be different from there contemporaries who were pagans!!!
and as christians we hav to be skeptical about wat we try to imbibe into Gods work or house because we should be totally different,
Just try to have this scripture @ d back of ur mind when discussions about d worlds trend comes up,
Romans 12:2

New International Version (©1984) Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect,

we just have to be careful wit situations like this, like i said in my earlier post dat d churches today have become like clubs rather than that holy serene place it used to be simply because of choice of music,
i passed by 1 church recently & d next thing i heard was makossa wit religious lyrics, it sounded so funny & absurd, becos no matter hw much the church tried to arrange d lyrics it was still makossa it ended as, lol, we cant as christians just be imbibing every single thing we see into Gods house,
I'l ask u this question again, so u mean you support real christians doing tattoos?

@ptolomeus, ur comments are well appreciated, but i'l want u to know rili that churches(congregations were formed back then), if u read revelations 2:8-18 u'l see were even Jesus himself gave counsel to almost like 7 churches if i can remember,
and all those churches were established by d apostles who moved around like u said, head quaters so to speak was in Jerusalem,
There was an organised setting for all congregations that were formed, ranging from d corinthian congregation ,galatian cong,theselonian cong,sardis cong,ephesian cong,colossian cong down to d churches mentioned in revelations , they were all supervised by an organised body of older men who were appointed by christ thru his apostles, they werent just scattered all around d place without no central body that led them,
D 1st century christians practised an organised religion,
Remember how d apostle paul wuld send letters to this various congregations encouraging & admonishing them, sometimes he even apoointed bishops & deacons in this various formed congrgations, also remember how d apostles will gather together to send of some matured men to handle situations in some churches, they were all connected to 1 unit & they believed d same thing, any1 who deviated from d teachings & patterns set by d apostles was expelled or reprimanded(1 thesolonians 3:13-15),
Early christians were quikly identified by onlookers becos of a particular pattern of action or beliefs,
.and i'l like u to read this scripture to rili know how organised religion was practised by d 1st century christians, read ephesians 2:20-23,
U'l see on what foundation an organised religion was formed by Jesus thru his apostles, that is why persons who wuld not want to adhere to d beliefs upheld by d apostles back then were ex-communicated or for those engaged in gross sin unrepentantly,expulsion was d result, if there wasnt an organised form of religion were rules & regulations were enacted for a group of persons to follow such action wuld never have been taken by early christians, many who say Jesus never formed a religion are mostly persons who want to practice what ever they like & then attribute it to God,
Most times on nairaland we see quarels here & there,complains of many who do not practice real christianity,
If christianity isnt a religion why worry about how people practice it?,
D reason why we worry is because a pattern has already been set by a founder, a master & any who claim to follow him must adhere strictly to d principles put in place,
if d word "christian" is d problem then lets use true followers of christ in place of it, lol

Chuksxp:
The bible says ", he saw the Spirit of God descending LIKE a dove." It doesn't say the Holy Spirit is a dove. It says He descended LIKE a dove. That's called simile.

Just because the Holy Spirit may have taken the form of a dove doesn't mean He's a dove. For example, there're several places we see the word of God being referred to as a double edged sword, hammer, fire, etc It doesn't mean the word is actually a physical hammer or sword, etc.

Its surprising that u are using d bible an in-animate object to support ur simile point, i was expecting u to give examples of Jesus appearing in d form other than being a person, remember we are dealing with persons here, my point is the holy spirit has never beind a uni-personal figure thats why it appears in different forms, like a dove today,like fire d next day, sometimes like a stiff breeze, d bible bein described as a sword is figurative
There has never been a day when we saw our bibles change into literal swords becos it was figuratively likened to it
,but in d case of d holy spirit it came as a dove literally, John beheld it,

@chuxup, dont assume you are saved o ,,
It is only those that have endured to the end that will & can be saved, we are all striving to make sure we are awake when d end hits, until then na probation we dey ooo, lol,
My pick on this hip hop/rap thing is that if hip hop had a worldly start why not just leave it to d world, if heavy metal rock/rock had its origin from demonism & d world why not leave what belongs to d world and cling to what belongs to God?,
1 truth i know & i'v noticed in this world is that as far as satan is still alive,God does nt have any dealing with him, while God can change individuals,God does not approve of his servants adopting what is worldly & expectin it to be christianised, no matter how professed christians try to mix christianity & rap it never changes what d genre of song has always been & what it portrays, d christian rappers as i'v seen stil have to wear some big chains on there necks & there gestures still end up being d same with d worldly rappers,
I just hope they dont do tattoo's as well,
Another thing i'v noticed is that d recent churches had to adopt these genre's of songs to d church in order to gather more members, because many wuld be enticed by hearin rap with a religious under tone or hearin a christianised rock music, and that strategy has realy worked,but will definitly have an after effect, how?, u wuld be havin many members who were drawn to church just becos of music not becos they want to obey Gods word & commands, and because of these recent trend of in-coperating hip hop & all kinds of genre of songs into christianity d churches hav started sounding like disco houses & clubs, 1 cant tell d differnce btw d house of God & a party house, in d past places of worship used to be serene but now its so noisy & trendy,
Well i'm not here to judge,but d more we keep seperate from d world as christians d more we can better serve God in spirit & truth and also keep ourselves spotless from d world,

@all, what is religion?
If we can answer that then i think we'l know where we are heading to,
Many run away from this fact,but we'l have no choice but to say christianity is a religion,
Mayb d name christian is what is causing d whole wahala,
How would we define a follower of christ, how
While Jesus was a jew he established a new convenant which called for a drastic change in judaism, so a new way of doing things was established, so we cant expect what d jews did to still be a model for followers of christ to emulate or practice, christianity definitly has to be a religion becos it has written guidelines on how it should be practiced, there are do's & dont's,
Jesus himself showed 1st hand how it should be practiced,then later thru d apostles he gave more info on how this religion shuld be practiced, back then in the 1st century churches or congregations were already established and all of them were under d supervision of the apostles & older men who gave instructions on how this christianity as called should be practiced, from d definition of religion which is
"A set of beliefs ,values & practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader"
we can conclude Jesus did set up a religion that shuld be followed strictly by who ever chooses to walk in it,