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SegzyJoe:
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How time flies, I never could believe that there would be controversy and arguement about superiority of Alaafin over Ooni, but times have changed greatly in the last one and half centuries of distortion. In the old times, Ooni could not even compared with other Yoruba king like Alaketu, Onsabe, Orangun etc who are the royal houses of Yorubaland of which Oyo was the centre of the Empire. What was the causes of the many Yoruba civil wars, was it not partly due to the harshness of the Oyo Empire tributarians? As in it came to a time when the reps of the empire were putting burden upon all other royal houses. All royal houses in Yoruba paid tributes to Oyo Empire. As a matter of fact each royal house in Yoruba land fought to get independence from Oyo including Ife, Ife was the least in militarily, it was recorded that Ife actually used wisdom to free from paying tribute to Oyo, because they were never a match for any war with a detachment of Oyo Empire armies located in Ede headed by Timi Agbale Olofa Ina, Ogbomosho headed by Elemoso and later by Soun, Abeokuta headed by Lisabi, Offa headed by Onikoyi, to mention just a few,  all under the command of Aare.

I remebered around 1987, when Aalafin wanted to coronate MKO Abiola as Aare Onakakanfo of Yorubaland, Ooni went to court but was dismissed, he wanted to usurpe the power of Aalafin to install Aare in Yorubalnd, the court told him that it is only Aalafin that could appoint ne Aare for Yorubaland. The Aare reports to Aalafin, and they always live on the outskirt and not within Oyo City. We had such Aare as Aare Ikunrumi, Aare Afonja, Aare Latosa, etc. Infact Ibadan was a military camp of the Oyo Empire, the likes of Bashorun Ibikunle, Ogunmola were all Oyo Empire warriorss. Ooni was never in the picture, Infact Aalafin coronated all Obas in Yorubaland, there was no roaylty or royal family in Ife, that is why Ooni never had any crown nor was any Ooni in Ife ever coronated by Aalafin. Ife is significant for Yoruba as their origin but there was no son of Oduduwa that remained in Ife, all went out to seek new lands and established their domain.

It is unfortunate that OOni is arrogating power it does not have to itself. It was the main reason why Ooni opposed June 12 to deny Aalafin  the priviledge of been supported by MKO. Ooni was a political creation of the AG/Awolowo. The fore fathers of the current Ooni were exposed to western education earlier and they used it to promote the dynasty of Ooni. Oba Adesoji Aderemi was a minister of old western region, they used political powers to checkmate the Aalafin dynasty with conniviance of Awolowo, that was why Aalfin had never supported Awolowo, infact, Awolowo drove the father of the current Aalafin to exile to die in an island in Calabar. So pple should understand the enemity btw aalafin and Awolowo, the same reason why Aalafin supported Akintola against Awolowo thate led to Wetie of the wild wild west fame.

It is a distortion of History for Ooni to lay claim to any superiority over Aalafin, it is an abnormality and unfortunate. Ife has a special place in Yorubal history, bu never Ooni dynasty, it was a political creation and promoted politically.

I agree with most of the thing you wrote, but to conclude that Ooni is insignificant in the scheme of things in Yoruba land and that there was no crown in ife is to also claim Oduduwa and Ife is insignificant. I dont know why some of you make it look like Oyo is the source of Yoruba Kingdom. Fact remains that Oyo was the headquarters of Oyo empire under Alafin and Ife is the motherland of all Yorubas and it's under the custody of Ooni.

Gentlemen lets not mix sentiments and bias with facts and attempt to alter history. The fact remains that Oduduwa  and not Alafin is the father of Yorubaland. Oduduwa lived and died in Ile ife and not Oyo.

The 1st Alafan was Oduduwa's son who with his children went on to build the strongest Yoruba empire at the time. Alafin became powerful, perhaps the most powerful king in Yorubaland but that does not make him the father of the Yorubaland. Cos like the 1st Alafin, there were many other sons of Oduduwa who settled and built other Yoruba kingdoms. Ooni is the one that maintains Oduduwa's throne in Ife, and that also explain why Ife was sacred and should remain sacred to every right thinking Yorubaman cos most of our fathers came from Ife. And it is our traditional belief in Yoruba land that  no matter how powerful a child is, he should never demand honour from his father, and this is where Alafin goofed. It is beyond the current people sitting on those thrones, it is about the thrones. Yoruba 'isenbaiye' (tradition) should always remain sacred.


Yes I also agree that these monarchies have lost most of their usefulness, many of them misbehaved and are still misbehaving, but they remain the custodian of our history, culture and traditions and no matter what progress and development we seek, they must not come at cost of losing our history, culture and tradition. And we should not worry so much about them because they are no longer the reason we are not making progress and it doesn't cost us so much to maintain them.

jason123:
Uduhagan

Thanks.

I tot as much, was confused by the news that he is the one taking Ogboru to court and not the other way round.

Pls pardon my ignorance, who is the governor elect of Delta?

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=662203.msg8277080#msg8277080 date=1304804482]"Um, yeah, nice speech you got goin there sir. Now, please put your hands behind your back. You have the right to remain silent. . . . . "[/quote]lol

E go better.

Make we see the list 1st.

^^ in what ways? can you expatiate?

I know there were bad rulers but there were many good ones too.

Interesting!

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Sweet dreams dear.

Eclipse

Odunnu Obvious

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Utmost

irrevocable

Inclusive

True to a large extent, but then like every other thing under the sun, there are exceptions, though few.

Well marriage is not meant for everyone.

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why should I?

Am married nau

hmnnnn! I comment my reserve, sorry I reserve my comment.

Odunnu:
are you jolos?

jolos of who?

Katsumoto:
I am lost; those threads are from years back. Bro, are you able to shed light on how those threads are connected to what Tpia is stating?

Those threads are just symbolics of what is currently happening, I think she is trying to avoid name-calling. A little research on yesterday's history might give you a clue

Am I the only one that understand tpia?

love in Nairaland

hehehe, All the best.

Interesting

Dont marry him now. wait and see if things will change for the better after the baby is born before you decide.

but menn this is damm too close, just take courage and shift the wedding. Good luck.

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Why am I?

mama-gee loffs debosky

Odunnu loffs debosky

hunkyjohn loffs Oduunu

there's a problem

^ she is on my bed

E-crush indeed.

pls where can I get E-Coke or E-Fanta? me I no like crush o