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gregyboy:
Lol dumb lier i wanna see a present pics of an ife priest....or i dont believe it....

And how come benin oldest art work date 12c and ifes own dates 14c


The first picture shows the statue on discussion
The scnd pics shows an ife priest wearing white clothes with dots marks on the body
The third nd forth pics shows a benin chief wearing white clothes fully beaded just like d first pics above and hands crossed

If you dont see the difference then ur use on this argument his baseless our supiority over yorubas have been way to high even to revered ife
Dumb ass lier

gregyboy:
Lol at first yorubas said oba of benin comes to bury his head at ife for superiority purpose ever since the claim no evidence to back it up than mere words ...now benin followed thesame path of superiority after they found onni statue at oba palace with evidence on the statue now yorubas want to claim we were worshiping it is that not a cunny attitudes Yoruba's portray....
What about the benin chiefs Yoruba's made a statue of

How come benin arts are older than ife

gregyboy:
Show me obas grave have non seen non but i would show ooni statue in oba palace who came to bury is head in oba palace and benin chief in ife

gregyboy:
So who is talking about root i get confused when i read yoruba history u have nothing to say but this....

It baffles me yoruba oral stories says after oromiyan established oyo he went back to ife ...when we are seen that 4 dynasty ruled before he later came back to rule how is that possible was he immortal this four rulers after him did dey just spend months in the throne that orimiyan got the chance to be king again ife.... It is also seen the second bearing an edo name even obamkin which means in edo i am a king are we to say again the word osa and oba came from ife this time?....

The second pictures contradict the first picture and the first picture was said to be giving as d list of kings of ife during present ooni coronation if ife was established by 500bc by oduduwa then how many years did he live at ife before benin came to beg him for oromiyan ...Benin has a more acurate date for this because they documented it throughout art work and oba eweka reign is said to be 1180


Benin art works dates from this picture fron 12c ,16 ,17 downwards but ife odest artworks start from 13c how come they thought benin art carbon dating reveled the years of this art works


More research to come.....

gregyboy:
Ure lying in other countries head again yea is a prove that oduduwa was a benin man....

Starting from oduduwa there was nothing like oba or obatanla so the word oba started from oduduwa when he came from ife to benin ...the second ooni clear shows that oduduwa came from benin has the name is seen ti bear osa which means god in benin just like oludmare means god in yoruba ....osagangan means in edo strong god and obamakin means i am a king ...
This shows the list of previous oonis right from oduduwa and it was named during ooni coronation....

My question now is there is so many prove showing yorubas dat edo begot oduduwa but yorubas will ignore it but rather lie why


Why after oduduwa reign the next ooni bore an edo name for God in edo and bore a name for king in edo .....

Why did ife make statue of a benin chief if they didnt worship benin might

gregyboy:
O my god u can lie... Iyemwen who be dis trained lier was yoruba even clothed at all ...benis have been wearing clothes on thier waist before d advent of pourtuguese ...Portuguese account in benin nevered mentioned we were naked or uncivilized they mention our oba to be fully beaded our men were clothed pictures still proves it till date ....so no record of yoruba was kept oduduwa was d only man who LovePeddler clothea and ile ife pple saw him as a god and made him a king

davidnazee:
What do you know about the Iwo Eleru or the conclusion the white scientist made about the Iwo Eleru skull? They found a skull believed to be 13,000 years old and after analyzing the skull they decided that early inhabitants of that area where the skull came from where not humans, rather more like apes.. So I guess you can be proud that your ancestors are confirmed apes and monkeys..

Also having the oldest artifact doesn't mean you are greater or more civilized than other races or kingdoms around you.. There are artifacts older than British Empire but yet it was one of the greatest empire ever..
If you like continue to claim oldest artifact, it still doesn't change the fact that Benin Kingdom was more powerful and mightier than all your Yoruba kingdoms..
Almost every tribe in Nigeria was influenced by Benin Kingdom, we influence their culture, their monarchies.. How many Yoruba fit influence?
None!!

davidnazee:
Yet the primitive people conquered and ruled most of your people. The primitive people are described as the most advanced and civilized people in west Africa..
do you know that it was acknowledged by the Europeans that if the Europeans hadn’t partitioned and conquered Africa, the Yoruba lands and people were about to be shared by Benin kingdom, Dahomey kingdom and the Fulanis. That was how weak the Europeans saw Yorubas.

gregyboy:
Lol....benin dressing culture is from ile ife ....is dat what u can say .....


Fairytale benin have so many proves oduduwa is from edo

Now lets examine this picture the first picture is d oba of benin.... Dressing

The second pictures a statue of an oba of benin

The third is a yoruba statue of oduduwa which depicit wat is common btwn the two images above ..oduduwa statue morw depicit the first picture of oba of benin ....with clothes around his wasit with a bare chest and long beads rolling to his kneews ...lets assume the dressing was learnt from ife ..then why did they stop dressing like the original odudwa like the oba of benin at this note with this fact i would say benin verson of oduduwa is most appropriate

davidnazee:
You didn’t civilize anybody. You couldn’t even civilize or organize yourselves properly. Edo people were regarded as the most civilize and advanced West Africans and you know that fact.
As for clothing culture nobody cares who was the first people to weave cloths, doesn’t mean you were great, it’s just a skill.
Many great empires borrow skills from other cultures incorporate it into their culture and become great with it.
What did the excavation at Ife result in? Only few bronze heads and 3 calabash pots lol.
Do u know why there was no screaming headlines about that excavation?? They got nothing special lol.
Benin Empire was a greater empire than all Yoruba kingdoms.. that is a fact!!

gregyboy:
Lol....benin dressing culture is from ile ife ....is dat what u can say .....


Fairytale benin have so many proves oduduwa is from edo

Now lets examine this picture the first picture is d oba of benin.... Dressing

The second pictures a statue of an oba of benin

The third is a yoruba statue of oduduwa which depicit wat is common btwn the two images above ..oduduwa statue morw depicit the first picture of oba of benin ....with clothes around his wasit with a bare chest and long beads rolling to his kneews ...lets assume the dressing was learnt from ife ..then why did they stop dressing like the original odudwa like the oba of benin at this note with this fact i would say benin verson of oduduwa is most appropriate

davidnazee:
Naked.. animals.. nasty ass.. the white man’s rethorics about Africans.. you can continue to display ur enslavement and training by ur white masters.
You are exceptional because you are a race of sellouts. You are special to your Fulanis and white masters because you are their slaves and easily used to promote their agenda against fellow brave Africans.
You can continue to scream your frustration and hatred and tell lies but it doesn’t change the fact that Great Benin conquered and ruled your race.
That is a generally acknowledged fact.

davidnazee:
Naked.. animals.. nasty ass.. the white man’s rethorics about Africans.. you can continue to display ur enslavement and training by ur white masters.
You are exceptional because you are a race of sellouts. You are special to your Fulanis and white masters because you are their slaves and easily used to promote their agenda against fellow brave Africans.
You can continue to scream your frustration and hatred and tell lies but it doesn’t change the fact that Great Benin conquered and ruled your race.
That is a generally acknowledged fact.

davidnazee:
Naked.. animals.. nasty ass.. the white man’s rethorics about Africans.. you can continue to display ur enslavement and training by ur white masters.
You are exceptional because you are a race of sellouts. You are special to your Fulanis and white masters because you are their slaves and easily used to promote their agenda against fellow brave Africans.
You can continue to scream your frustration and hatred and tell lies but it doesn’t change the fact that Great Benin conquered and ruled your race.
That is a generally acknowledged fact.

davidnazee:
You are the fool and very shallow. What is clothing culture? Is civilization based on clothing culture? Are u trying to say Africans were naked till Yoruba invented the so called clothing culture??
You are really an idiot. All your arguments so far has been Yoruba gave Benin oba. Is that how you measure Yoruba greatness by giving Benin oba??

We Edos measure our greatness by our conquests, imperial expansions, territories we colonized, vassal states we subdued, cities we founded and our resistance to European imperialism..
You small Yorubas can keep saying u gave great Benin an Oba or started clothing culture it however doesn’t change the fact you are a weaker race compared to the Edo people and Yoruba kingdoms were weaker than Mighty Benin Kingdom.

davidnazee:
Idiot, only the King of Dahomey traces his lineage to Benin.. I know it is hard for you to comprehend but it is the truth.. You can research all this claim and you will surely find articles relating to each of these claims..

But why are the Yorubas soooo jealous of the Edos??

davidnazee:
You are the fool and very shallow. What is clothing culture? Is civilization based on clothing culture? Are u trying to say Africans were naked till Yoruba invented the so called clothing culture??
You are really an idiot. All your arguments so far has been Yoruba gave Benin oba. Is that how you measure Yoruba greatness by giving Benin oba??

We Edos measure our greatness by our conquests, imperial expansions, territories we colonized, vassal states we subdued, cities we founded and our resistance to European imperialism..
You small Yorubas can keep saying u gave great Benin an Oba or started clothing culture it however doesn’t change the fact you are a weaker race compared to the Edo people and Yoruba kingdoms were weaker than Mighty Benin Kingdom.

davidnazee:
You are the fool and very shallow. What is clothing culture? Is civilization based on clothing culture? Are u trying to say Africans were naked till Yoruba invented the so called clothing culture??
You are really an idiot. All your arguments so far has been Yoruba gave Benin oba. Is that how you measure Yoruba greatness by giving Benin oba??

We Edos measure our greatness by our conquests, imperial expansions, territories we colonized, vassal states we subdued, cities we founded and our resistance to European imperialism..
You small Yorubas can keep saying u gave great Benin an Oba or started clothing culture it however doesn’t change the fact you are a weaker race compared to the Edo people and Yoruba kingdoms were weaker than Mighty Benin Kingdom.

davidnazee:
Oba of Lagos said he is a Benin man,

Obi of Onitsha said he is a Benin man,

Osemawe of Ondo said he is a Benin man,

Eze of Oguta said he is a Benin man,

Eze of Enugu Ezike said he is a Benin man,

Olu of warri said he is a Benin man,

Ovwie of Okere( Urhobo) Kingdom said he is a Benin man,

Obi of Isele Ukwu said he is a Benin man,

Obi of Agbo said he is a Benin man,

The king of Ibuza said he is a Benin man,

Orodje of Okpe said he is a Benin man,

The Dukes of Oleh and Ozoro( both of Isoko) said they are from Benin,

Udezi( Deji) of akure said he is a Benin man,

The Dukes of Ikwerre said they are Benin men,

The King of Ogbia Kingdom said he is a Benin man,

The paramount ruler of dahomeans in Republic of Benin said he is a Benin man.

These are major traditional rulers in southern Nigeria and beyond and yet some dare open their mouth to denigrate Benin history and even call Edo people a minority stock when history and cultural evidence show Edo is the largest ethnic group in Nigeria until it was decimated and adulterated by the sinister manipulations of the colonialist and their in-house collaborators (Yorubas).

davidnazee:
Oba of Lagos said he is a Benin man,

Obi of Onitsha said he is a Benin man,

Osemawe of Ondo said he is a Benin man,

Eze of Oguta said he is a Benin man,

Eze of Enugu Ezike said he is a Benin man,

Olu of warri said he is a Benin man,

Ovwie of Okere( Urhobo) Kingdom said he is a Benin man,

Obi of Isele Ukwu said he is a Benin man,

Obi of Agbo said he is a Benin man,

The king of Ibuza said he is a Benin man,

Orodje of Okpe said he is a Benin man,

The Dukes of Oleh and Ozoro( both of Isoko) said they are from Benin,

Udezi( Deji) of akure said he is a Benin man,

The Dukes of Ikwerre said they are Benin men,

The King of Ogbia Kingdom said he is a Benin man,

The paramount ruler of dahomeans in Republic of Benin said he is a Benin man.

These are major traditional rulers in southern Nigeria and beyond and yet some dare open their mouth to denigrate Benin history and even call Edo people a minority stock when history and cultural evidence show Edo is the largest ethnic group in Nigeria until it was decimated and adulterated by the sinister manipulations of the colonialist and their in-house collaborators (Yorubas).

gregyboy:
Both art show realism but benin art was perfect it advanced from sculpture head to plaques which ife lacked it was both for ornament and document which Oyo lacked...it was done with a well refined irons gotten from Portuguese menila
Benin art was more fine with no holes left at the back like ife art was...mostly it wasnt sold like the ife art.....

On this note based on evidence of ooni statue found in benin and benin chief found ife its believed edo was the one who trained ife in art ...

Below is a benin chief what is the art doing at ife

gregyboy:
Both art show realism but benin art was perfect it advanced from sculpture head to plaques which ife lacked it was both for ornament and document which Oyo lacked...it was done with a well refined irons gotten from Portuguese menila
Benin art was more fine with no holes left at the back like ife art was...mostly it wasnt sold like the ife art.....

On this note based on evidence of ooni statue found in benin and benin chief found ife its believed edo was the one who trained ife in art ...

Below is a benin chief what is the art doing at ife

davidnazee:
I dont know if Yoruba arts have any realism about it.. They only have few bronze heads and that is what they keep shouting as great art works..
The unique thing about Benin arts is that it is just not only art works but it also tells stories.. It is like a documentation of Benin history. The art works represents historical events and encounters in Benin History, some tell of different Obas and their achievements, while some represent religious festivals and dieties..
It is this uniqueness of the Benin arts and what they represents that has the world in awe of Benin art works.. Since we could not write on paper, we told our stories in our art works. This is one reason Benin was described has the most civilized and advanced Kingdom in West Africa.

Yoruba art works represent nothing. The only thing you will hear about it will be what type of material was used or what date it was made.. nothing else..
I don't know for certain between the two races who first started making art work, but Benin was better at it.

gregyboy:
Ok thought as much...but this was probably all kings meeting in old western region ...this doesnt mean oba is a yoruba man as long he was under the midwestern he was to be present...

And him not sitting at the centre roll was humbilty
Imagine kingdoms under his fathers territories ranked among him like osemawe of ondo,ekiti olowo of owo etc ...i bet if he did fight to be at the centre he would be outnumbered by the yorubas opinons so he decided to humble himself
I guess this humilation and discraced made him vouch not to attend any kings meeting held by the britsh and decides to move out of Midwestern


Get ur fact write ...nice prove but biased storyline

gregyboy:
What da Bleep appreciate ife art ...if dey were asked to be returned they will return it with no delay it has no document or whatsoever ....most of the ife art was sold inexchange for goods the rest were archaeological findings in site and was given willingly to the finder's

Share me the link of that page u quote all the time lemme see myself

gregyboy:
What da Bleep appreciate ife art ...if dey were asked to be returned they will return it with no delay it has no document or whatsoever ....most of the ife art was sold inexchange for goods the rest were archaeological findings in site and was given willingly to the finder's

Share me the link of that page u quote all the time lemme see myself

gregyboy:
U dont understand english ....

The British wrote with lot of ignorance mostly from the yoruba perception .....lagos and the entire yoruba race belongs to the edos ....oduduwa was a migrant from benin to ife not the foolish fairytales u all tell oke ora or a diver oduduwa....
U talk of edo proves when u see all day the art dug up at oba palace shows ur ooni do come to bury is body at benin not the other way round ,the benin chief statue carved at the British museum belonging to the yorubas shows Yoruba's adorn our imperial culture since beginning

Our art shows expliot of wars when they are returned am gonna show you the one which was carved in d defeat of the eko pple not invitation as u said but i leave u with this prove

davidnazee:
Thank you bro for a very enlightening piece.
I have asked them same question before when they said Aworis invited Benin. Why would the Aworis bypass all the Yorubas kingdoms and come to Benin?
Even if it is true that Aworis came to Benin for help then doesn’t that proves Benin was a mightier, more powerful kingdom than all the Yorubas kingdoms and the Aworis must have seen Benin conquer and ruling over Yoruba lands hence it came to Benin for help.

The problem with the Yorubas is that no matter how much they lie and twist the truth their stories will always work against them and show that Benin was more powerful than Yoruba and ruled over the Yorubas.