The great warrior Oranmiyan visited Nupe, Nupe yield to his strength.. Oyo kingship lineage is product of Nupe princess and ife prince Oranmiyan .Go to Nupe land they speak Yoruba and Nupe language that should show you the dominance and influence of Yoruba on them ..Well at a point they do rose to power raided and sacked Old Oyo .. It is dream of every kingdom to rise and conquer their conqueror ..Oyo came back stronger to check them, lord over them again.....Bariba./Borgu has always been vassal state' of Oyo empire ...We share strong historical lineage ..Nupe/yoruba/borgu /Igala
Lmao.. let's use ur logic... As great as the Oyo Empire was, why didn't they fight and defeat the Fulanis... It would have shown their military capability instead of fighting who they knew they could defeat ordinarily
[quote author=samuk post=97599440][/quote] All these story to fuel your Ego war is normal thing in Yoruba land ,we fight among ourselves we kill ourselves we are dreaded warriors , If Benin fought with Ado ekiti and conquer them is normal phenomena. Even Rome was defeated by Germanic barbarian tribe.. Benin should have gone for the Ijebus kingdom atleast it would showed their strength and military capability .i know Even Benin suffered lot of defeat from the Igala s
nocomment9999: Guys, use the parts of the videos which are referenced. This guy has already done the job. I don't need to get myself tired. I can go back to writing my paper.
Perharps it is time to make a topic on yoruba true history with references such as in the videos. Also add all the proofs I gave. The yoruba don't like history, they are interested in destroying history, not discovering it. True history puts them to shame, so they must destroy it and claim other people's history. You must show them their true history.
This man is already blind because of desecration of Oduduwa Lineage'' Aworis own Lagos .. ..Isale Eko is a small region of Lagos state...Palace got burnt ,almost got killed had to run out of the palace through the back fence
Point to the part you disagree with for me to provide you with evidence.
Well you can choose your own believe ," you have the right to believe what ever you want but to the outside world is different.. why you don't want to embrace the truth but lies because of ego Samuk you provide no evidence but distortion of history ..Discrediting Ile- ife civilization in your own little brain won't change the fact that ile-ife civilization sent shock waves around the world,, The pride of Afrocentrics , lot of books are written about Ile-ife civilization.. Ancient steps of people called Yorubas are visibly seen all around Africa as far as Sudan.. Do you know how many country in west Africa have Yoruba indigenous tribes ..Pertaining to Ibn battuta our ancient islamic scholars and travellers have documentation about it in ajami.. Do you even know Yoruba have Ajami script ..
An illiterate masks every word with insults to divert attention, this is the practice here on nairaland by the average Yoruba, this can only intimidate someone who have nothing to say. I just zigzag through your insults and see nothing tangible and sensible in your comments as usual.
Someone with sound education and with superior knowledge and information always relishes the opportunity to school the less informed or ignorance. The reason I am always reluctant to reply Yoruba insults most of the time is because, it distracts from the knowledge and education I am passing into your block heads.
Insults doesn't win you an argument and it doesn't distract me from bursting your lies.
In Benin oral tradition, the Benin prince Ekaladerhan assumed the name Izoduwa (I have chosen the part of wealth) which the Yoruba corrupted to Oduduwa. He chose this name because of the circumstances surrounding his escape from Benin to Ife, beside, it's customary for every Benin prince to choose a new name on assumption or when they become an Oba. Benin oral history says Ekaladerhan became oba with the new name Izoduwa AKA Oduduwa in Ife
Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them. Benin rather due on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed.
Even the Yoruba can't prove that Oduduwa wasn't a myth that came into Benin oral history in the 1800s. The reason the Yoruba is fixated with the Benin/Ife connection is without it Yoruba history is nothing.
Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationship.
Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria.
Sesan85 did you notice that I hardly have any room for insults during the course of this lecture? It's so because I have something to say and a superior knowledge and information than you.
The irrefutable facts.
1. As already stated, modern Yoruba was created in 1808 from descendants of freed slaves from all over Africa and south west Nigeria people.
2. Some of you here are parroting Ife as you new homes because you no longer know where you originally descended from in African because of the circumstance in which your ancestors found themselves in Nigeria amongst the south western people of Nigeria.
3. Most original people or owners of south western Nigeria don't subscribe to Ife or Ooni supremacy, this is still evidence today. After almost 100 years of creating Ife as the cradle of Yoruba nation, the Ooni and Ife is still struggling to gain any recognition from the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu, Olugbo, the last Ooni was never recognised by the Alaafin etc.
4. If Ife was genuinely the cradle of Yoruba civilisation and not a concocted and fabricated lie, there wouldn't have been supremacy tussle amongst south west monarchs.
5. The supremacy of the Benin monarch is not being questioned by any monarchy in the entire south south Nigeria because Benin is real while Ife is a fake imitation.
6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife.
7. Yoruba can only try and sell theirs lies to those that don't know or have history. Benin itself is history others study and the average Benin person is very much at home with history and can't be early intimidated and cowed by insults from nitwits without historical roots.
The sophistication of Ife spread all the way to Mali, yet the Europeans that were in Benin city less than 200 miles from Ife since the 1400s never heard or visited Ife till the 1800s. I don't know what Yoruba love most between party jollof rice and lies.
I guess European explorers also didn't visit Ife because they were also afraid of being killed.
Oh I forgot, the Europeans were afraid of mosquitos, bacteria and the unfavourable climatic conditions of Ife according to Tao.
Portuguese get to know about the Benins from the Itshekiri .. Think of the distance to Ile -ife Samuk..Benin was nearer to warri,, lot of water channels from warri to Benin which ease the rigor of travelling through unknown route ..Go and read Portuguese account about ile-ife ..Portuguese get to know about ile-ife from the Benin Royals...
You have nowhere to hide this days, all your lies are being shot down.
Are you saying Ibn bittuta never talk about Yorubas... Laughing!! is even recorded in Yoruba Ajamis taught by Muslims scholars over centuries in Yoruba land
Which psychiatric hospital did this one escaped from?
Everyone can now see that though the Yoruba style themselves as educated but most of them, especially the ones here on Nairaland lacks reasoning abilities.
Are you aware that the Europeans were consistently in Benin for 400 years with countless reports on every aspect of Benin culture, tradition, trades and war exploits without being told anything about Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan.
If Ife was as great as you guys are parroting, don't you think the Europeans who were in Benin for 400 years would have be inquisitive enough to visit this wealthy, sophisticated cradle of Yoruba civilisation, Ife?
Benin to Ife is less than 200 miles, yet no visit from the Europeans. The European even visited Lagos which was then under Benin kingdom and much further away from Benin compared to Ife which was closer.
The Europeans served as mercenaries in the Benin/Ida war of the 1500s, yet they heard nothing about Ife.
Ife only appeared in Benin history in the 1800s, why would Benin forget to inform the European about Benin/Ife relationship for 400 years? Because it never existed, it was fabricated in the 1800s. Please prove me wrong.
Unfortunately for the Yoruba, most people that read these comments can think and people are now moving away from unsubstantiated oral history and now seeking fact and evidence based history.
Benin/Ife relationship have no historical, provable, independent eyewitness evidence earlier than 1800s to support it.
Benin/Ife relationship is "me say, you say" history, the Benin says Oduduwa was a Benin prince, Yoruba say Oduduwa is from the Sky, Mecca and now Ife. This is the kind of myth and unsubstantiated oral history people are moving away from. Benin and Yoruba are not in agreement on the origin of Oduduwa. So stop fooling yourselves pretending there is an agreeable historical account of Oduduwa
Repeat a lie for as long as you want, it will never become true. Your insults will also not help your lies become truth.
The Yoruba don't have problems believing each others lies.
My comments and submissions are for right thinking and logical reasoning other Nigerians and diaspora you guys are trying to mislead.
Yoruba hinterland was first visited in 1824 by the European.. Yoruba came of age after the end of Benin empire/kingdom.
Delusion of grandeur....You need mental evaluation
TAO11: There is no primary evidence to substantiate these claims. They’re all a trickle down and fall out of Egharevba’s initial claims.
However, the point I am correcting is not even that. The point I am correcting is as follows:
(1) No Edo prince prince ruled as king in any part of Lagos — Island or mainland.
(2) No Bini conquered any part of Lagos — Island or mainland.
The original accounts which claims otherwise on these two points are the latter-day claims made by Chief Egharevba in the 1950s — hence historians call it the Benin account.
On the other hand, the account which originates from Lagos itself came more than 50 years earlier than the Benin account, and it states the very two points I noted above.
I’m preparing to make a thread on this soon. I’m trying to lay my hands again on some of the materials I’d be needing for the purpose.
TAO11: No Benin prince became king in any part of Lagos.
The account you refer to was the Benin account according to Chief Egharevba (1953). Yes, his account became very popular and very widespread that it was thought to be universal.
However, the attachment below is of page 43 from the the Lagos account as published in Sir Alan Burns, “History of Nigeria”.
The Lagos account was published decades before Chief Egharevba’s Benin account.
The Lagos account was first published in Rev. J. B. Woods’ “Historical Notices of Lagos, West Africa”, 1878.
Then the same account was published later by Rev J. B. Losi’s “History of Lagos”, in 1914.
And then finally in 1929, the same Lagos account was published in Sir Alan Burns’ “History of Nigeria”.
This Lagos account (which is decades earlier than Egharevba’s account) makes two points clear:
(1) That the Binis settled in Lagos by peaceful infiltration — It was infiltrated by conquest as Egharevba would later claim.
(2)That Ashipa (the progenitor of the present monarchy) is a Yoruba chief of Ife royal descent from Isheri — He is not an Edo man as Egharevba would later claim.
Yes, his son Ado was born to him by a Benin woman and he arrived Lagos from Benin to succeed his father.
Benin only come to Lagos through the Portuguese known fact .. They can't pass through the Ijebu on expedition to Lagos, they were camped in Lagos island through the help of the Portuguese explorer and Merchant they were Benin ally Benin soldier were used in capturing slaves and attacks on vulnerable villages Eleko is not the owner of Lagos or ijebu water side region his power is restricted to Lagos island
When did the Europeans first visited Ife The so called sophisticated cradle of Yoruba civilisation and culture. Oh I forgot, an Arab traveller penned something about it.
Lol you are obsessed with the whites see Oni ke ..He was too power to be seen by no one ..Oni is a living god
Your whites visited Yorubaland before they visited Benin.
And the period of EUrOpEaN documentation for Yorubaland and Benin is the same.
The only gap is that between Ife and Benin in which Ife was documented a 100 years before Benin can be noticed in any writing any where in the whole wide world.
Cc: Obalufon
Benin Kingdom is part of Ile-ife is nothing but a jungle kingdom that we civilized they are still brain dead till now.. We have been documented when whole of Europe were illiterate when it was a crime to read and write in Europe , my forefathers were writing in Ajami and teaching as scholar in sankore university fact are out there not a myth Ahmed baba wrote about Yoruba people ..Even Ibn Battuta world renown traveler and historian
The Lagos European visited was part of Benin kingdom. No amount of insults will cure this public disgrace you and Tao have brought upon the Yoruba race. 400 years historical gap Between Benin and Yoruba/Ife is not beans or moimoi.
We are talking about your so called sophisticated cradle of Yoruba civilisation Ife, you are calling on potnovo to the rescue. It's not only Potnovo you will call, it's pot belly .
Are you high on OGOGORO "" Lagos Benin Kingdom ke !! When the Ijebu are controlling the water way of Lagos ..Benin influence in Lagos was through the Portuguese explorer that brought Benin Royal to Lagos aboard their ship because Lagos was Portuguese Anchor /quay and is small portion of Lagos Island the prince later became a king because of his royal lineage of Ife Every Benin Royal speak Yoruba... First king of Lagos Ashipa 1682-1716 ..Portuguese were in Lagos since 1472 .. over 200yrs
Incase you forgot, the Lagos and Jekri, the Europeans visited were under Benin kingdom.
So when European were visiting and living in Benin. An Arab traveller penned something down about Ife. Is that it? Pele, o. Omo see damage control. Lagos Ijebu and Jekri to the rescue.
Take heart. 400 years historical gap is not a joke.
Fool idolize the whites as the source of their civilization We are totally different from you apes we do not see the pale skin as something special That is why your white masters think we yoruba are different from all you monkeys .Some white scholar even think we are from Egypt ,lot of book are out their about the exceptional brilliancy of Yorubas race to the extent they are looking up our DNA
The first time the European visited Yoruba hinterland was 1824, 400 years after reaching Benin. Nothing can change this. The historical time difference between Benin and Yoruba is 400 years.
Useless fool 400yrs after reaching Benin Slowboy..Portuguese were dealing with aworis and ijebus in Lagos and the ilajes and the Ajashe of Potnovo almost100yrs before knowing about Benin kingdom through the itsekiris .. Even Benin is yoruba colony
Ife people were not only making beaautiful art sculptures from metals ,they were also smelting rocks ,making glass into ornament and intricate items like bowl and jeweries and beads the same glass making technique used in Egypt that is why most white scholars thought ile- Ife is extention of Egypt civilization ....We invented fast cothing weaving machine used by men faster than the female large cotton looming version which was also invented by us and introduced to our subsaharan Africa neighbor which prior were clothed in loins and hides or raffia like the ibos
You nailed it. Our people used to say, "ife adighi ako ebe o na adi". Literally translated to "Things are never scarce where it is usually located".
A look at the offspring of the two groups is a pointer to whose ancestors were better craftsmen. If you follow these guys mouth you go lost.
Do you think they are worth calling humans.??.. Those are your grandfathers and Ape grandmothers ""cannibals.."'. You people are hominid caged in evolutionary tree ,that is why you people have bestial nature act without brain. hairy as hell like orangutan and bonobos monkey...well known cannibal and naked people no clothing culture...Yoruba history, give account of Ibo history and genealogy, Ibos are breed of Ape and human..That is why most Yoruba are scared of travelling to Ibo land due to fear of being eaten by the Ibos
TAO11: Lol! It is impossible to defend Benin against Ife and not lie — it’s mutually exclusive literally.
They will soon come here to tell you of how the Ogisos are not originally from Ife Ife but from the sky — or they will deny the Ogisos altogether!
They could care less about their own historical traditions which admits the Ogisos (at least the first three) to be emissaries from Ife.
The could careless about their own traditional accounts which indicate that their ADA and their EBEN were despatched from Ile-Ife — despite corroborative archaeological evidence.
Like I always tell them, inferiority complex is a bastard.
70yrs ago these people were barely clothed....Comparing themselves with Ile-ife is insane..Ile-ife is up their with Egypt and Greek civilization
The Benin people where actually known as Efa or Ifa people in time past by the Yoruba. Ooni was the chief priest in Ife that was practicing the version of Benin Iha divination which they called Ifa.
The fact that the Ooni was a mere chief priest is very well known in Yoruba land. The Awujale of Ijebu said so himself. Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson in his , The history of Yoruba people, piblished in 1921. wrote that the Ooni was a mere shrine keeper.
The Ooni was elevated to the status of an Oba in the 1930s.
Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin, then the Oranmiyan tradition has been miscon-strued and the Benin version (The Oba of Benin's version,), not Egharervba's version, becomes more tenable.
Origin Ifa or Efa or Afa is in Yoruba land introduced to Benin, from Benin to Onitsha ado that spread it throughout Ibo land.. Also Yoruba cousin the Igalas also introduced Ifa/Afa to the Ibos
In your deluded mind, anything that reflect intelligence is likely from Ife and not Igbo. I wonder why the ifes of the yorubas no longer exhibit intelligence in engineering,computer , science etc fileds . Only the Ibos now exhibit intelligence in the aforementioned fields. During the civil war, they produced virtually everything they needed ranging from guns to even bombs . In Awka, men do manufacture and sell various kind of sophisticated materials including weapon while the yorubas can produce nothing other than some smelling Agbo and Odudu Osun soaps. Did the genius in Ife not pass their intelligent DNA to their offspring? Oh, they forgot to pass it their offspring but mistakenly passed it to Igbos, no wonder only the Igbos are now the master craftsmen in Africa. Learn to think twice before you argue. If the Igbos of today are sounder than Yoruba of today in crafts and engineering, it means Igbos of old were also better than the Ifes of old in all ramifications except in JuJu making and human sacrifices.
Can you prove ife mafe those brass casting lets start from there
Olowo of owo made it know that they never made terracotta sculpture in ancient times and that those sculptures wete purchase from merchants
This terracotta sculpture have same semblance with ife sculptures and we all know ife also didnt have any art guild system making it possible that Ife also bought those sculptures from artesian too thats why those sculptures didnt depicit the cultures of ife people
TAO11 tried proving it to me but she failed maybe yours will be different
First of all check owo terracotta head and check ife terracotta head on net before you begin to reply me, you will see thay both ife terracotta head and owo terracotta head is thesame
But non of this terracotta heads have both the ife and owo cultural attribute why
Probably they were non indigenous to this two tribe who just purchased it
Culture / Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Obalufon: 10:02am On Jan 01, 2021 
