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MetaPhysical:
That Iboman does not know this.

He has gone into hiding for now.

Ala means purity and enlightment

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MetaPhysical:
This has been your style....to dodge!

You are crafty but i already told you, i will continously reveal your shallowness in what you claim to be ypur specialty.


Answer the question I asked you.
Are the Yoruba words with "Al" prefix borrowings from Arab/Hausa -
"alaini" (the deprived)
"alabosi" (discreet)
"alamodi" (sick)
"alabode" (medium)....


How about names with "Al" in prefix, are they borrowed from Arab/Hausa?


If you were smart, macof, you would have recognized that "Al" prefix is an attribute of something.

When applied in name it confers a quality.

When applied in conditions it confers an absence of some quality.

In both cases it exists as an attribute.

What kind of quack linguist are you?

Please answer my question, is any Yoruba word prefixed with Al a borrowing from Arab/Hausa?

If not clarify why you would dismiss some and not others. What is your criteria for selection?

Your interpretation of Alade is false by the way. Just so you know.


Focus on the use of Al in Yoruba to communicate EFFICIENCY, and its use to equally COMMUNICATE DEFICIENCY.

Good point .. alabode ..alangba alakan..alamu. alayanpere ..Alade NOT OWNER OF CROWN .. Obatala devotee name .. ALA prefix in Yoruba name is attached to Obatala ,Aso Ala ni mowo ara aiye ma da epo si aso ala mi. ...OBA,. .is Obaluaiye Sho, is Osa Oko.

Olu317:
God bless you Sir. The name was first used in 1885 by Gottlob Krause for the Akan or Tao people ,Ga ,Gbe languages who have kwa or kua in their Languages which mean ‘HUMAN BEING,.Even among other western researchers like Joseph Greenberg, objected to the unfounded lumping of unrelated languages together without careful analysis and genetic connection. So, some one like Macof and like mind are brainwashed to the extent that they didn't realise Yoruba language has minute loaned into her language and thus do have cognates with Hausa language or Northern Nigeria's languages, which have more elements of shared cognates with Yoruba language through Arabic's knowledge or Semitic lexicon's , which is heavily found in Yoruba language. For example

Among the Udoma, ‘Adami is (man who is a biological father; my father ) which is closely related to Yoruba's Adami(one who creates me,one who brought me to life) or Adamo(man from soil or man).

Interestingly the Ibo's word for man or father is is Nna for man that has no cognate with Yoruba's. Furthermore, Ada among the Ibos is first female child while in Yoruba, Ada means cutlass,Creator, to be good,will be good, to be adore. So, seeing

Among the Hausa, Massa Massa is cognates with Yoruba's Mosa Mosa ( quickly quickly).

Among the Hausa, Patako(plank) has cognates with Yoruba's Patako or Pako (plank/ hoof)

It is suffixed to affirm here that Yoruba language is one of the oldest language in the world and is the language of foundational religion of ‘One God' without a face.

little research i made i find some language similarity between Yoruba language and igala and benue Udoma.. Agatu

macof:
I have stated on this very thread a few patterns in the change of sounds that can be observed in the relationship between cognate words in Volta Niger (East Kwa) languages and their evolution from their original etymons.
Like gh - w, h, g eg. Money : Owo, Ogho, Igho, Ego/ You sg. : iwọ, ihọ, gi/ They : wọn, ghan, gha, ha.
Or kp - k eg. Hand: Apá [Akpá], Aka/ Frog : Ọpọlọ[Ọkpọlọ], Eko, Akolo .
Or l - n, r eg. Neck: Ọrùn, Olu, Onu / Ring : Òrùka, Oluka, Olaaka / Sky/Above : Ọ̀run, Ọlu, Elu / In/at : ni, li, na


And I am not even a linguist.. Meaning anybody with keen interest should be able to identify at least one pattern

Cognates don't need to look alike when written down if not Ìrìn and Iron should be Cognates. Apá would be Apart or A part.. and so on
Same lazy logic that made you say Ebora is Deborah and MetaPhysical said Ọranmiyan is Aramean and still stand on it till today

Again, I have told you the establishment of yoruba in Niger Congo is settled. You only further embarrass yourself by calling Yoruba a semitic language, when Yoruba doesn't possess any of the defining elements of a semitic language.
So I don't need to validate anything. You validate things in question not established facts. All I have to do is make citations to the works already done. I am not making a claim when I say Yoruba is Niger-Congo, I am stating a damn fact



I said every word you try to establish between Yoruba and Hebrew has a different pattern.. You have no Method
Simply patch work : like saying Apá = Apart or kẹ = care


Yoruba like all Niger Congo languages are not consonant dependent, rather meanings are formed by a combination of a single consonant sound and a single vowel with a given tone.
So pattern of evolution from etymon to several Cognates can be established through looking at both consonants and vowels as well as tones if studied properly.
This is what historical linguistics is all about

It is not like semitic languages that meanings are derived from combination of consonant sounds leaving little relevance to vowels. Plus semitic languages don't have tones

You don't eliminate vowels in Yorùbá and leave ordinary meaningless consonants. While consonants are not meaningless on their own in semitic languages, Kwa languages like Yoruba are a whole different ball game. Goes to show that you don't know what you are doing
You don't even understand Yoruba language


You can scream fake historian from now till next year. It won't help you prove your claims. I've told you my reasons for responding to you is to serve as the voice of reason in a sea of madness and irrational sentiments so people who do not know better can be exposed to that reason and we know that is what pains you because you want free rein to deceive gullible people
If I am a fake historian because you see me here mincing words with you, good because it is not about me but the content. Then listen to those who are renowned professors like Prof. Akintoye
Or he is also a fake historian?

You that claim to be a linguist (without training but by gift of God) but a none linguist is pointing out your errors

you always sound pained because you are frustrated with your mission to destroy Yoruba history. I told you you can't find headway. You and those that sent you might only succeed in deceiving people who never had interest in history but just want to identify as Hebrew. But nobody with basic historical knowledge is fooled
Would be nice to see you take your claims to any faculty of history. You will come back crying more than you do after reading my posts

PS. You are yet to point out where Robin law supports your nonsense.
You are a known fraud, you and olu. I have exposed you both on countless occasions mentioning scholars who do not support your claim


TAO11
lx3as
kayfra
BabaRamota1980

Drop all these your kwa Kwa volta Niger congo. etymology . The classification was done over a century ago by a white man that doesn't know much about us ... Make your own research.. Don't depend on schizophrenic racist white man's imagination on Africa language ..

2prexios:
Igbo

The word means the seeking, ultimately from agbo, meaning seekers. It's the identity of the scouts who discovered Yorubaland originally.

The Igbo is not a rebel but a pressure group within the emigrants that are not in support of the idea of the leadership of the matriarch.

It's the very same issue paraphrased as beyoja of olabi idanre feeds. Ultimately, it's the confrontation remembered as ibi ole gbe njare oniun.

Oniun, ooni, olowun, olowu... cognates. We must learn to know that each Yoruba polity adopted Yoruba history as theirs, and it's the same with Ife.

It's the same history being localized. Igbo, Agbomeh, Oluyole (Igbo), Ugbo. These are patrilineal group or chauvinistic party opposed to the matriarch.

Oluweri ma gbo'jo

That phrase seems to say "Oluweri, don't go searching for Ojo". And Ibadan is said to be ilu Ojo. Not Ojo amepo, but an ancient one, a Jew. Ojo Yew ge, alagada Ogun.

Oun tii Bini a maa Bini

The matriarch was a revolutionary, she equally met her match in Iba Oluyole Igbo. Perhaps the Yoruba had a designated king for the colony of Dahome at inception, Obalufon.

How do I know? Obalufon is direct opposite of Obaluaye. Check it out: oba ilu Fon; oba ilu Aye. Perhaps the king-designate never left Ife.

Obaluaye, soponna elenpe nana ajobo. Do we see traces of osan, pipon, Ina? Elenpe (Tapa) nana (matriarch in Arabic or Tapa). That's Aye.

Oranfe, Oran miyan, Oran gun. Oran is the feeder. It's Oduduwa on trial. The Awori equivalent of this is to be found in ileba tradition.

Omo eleba Ori, omo Ori onoja osan. That's the way the wordsmith carved the variant. Eleba Ori, Obameri, discovery king, consort of the discoverer.

My method: it's visible in what I've just done above. It's foolish to keep repeating names so that heroes can abound and the story lost.

Rather, many scholars had studied Yoruba history from different places in Yoruba land and coined similar terms for the same event.

Our duty is to harmonize their works instead of running through a mase without end to sustain some vain glory that eludes people to whom the glory pertains in the first instance.

The glory of the Yoruba belongs to the households of the Yoruba people and their neighbors and as many that could recall their oriki.

okay

macof:
Moremi was known in ife and the people she infiltrated are the Ugbo of Ilaje not Oyo
Also Oluyare are connected to Obamakin not Obatala if we want to be exact

Igbo or Ugbo are rebels of ife indigenes that oppose the rule of Olofin adimula through the leadership of Obamakin the son or lineage Oranfe onile ina osanganga Obamakin

please i don't want to be merge with no igbo or niger benue congo...Yoruba are different breed of people migrated to our present location

we need time machine ..

ewon is chain ate is step ro is ascend ate- ewon - ro to ascend through chain

macof:
1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.



4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

Afa ifa fa iha divinsion in west africa all have root from Ile-ife

MetaPhysical:
I know you have. The question is, can one find in Ife contrast accounts about Oduduwa's origin?

Reference to your statement below.

Oduduwa descend from heaven at Oke -Ora likewise Oranfe Onile ina ...Oduduwa ateworo

macof:
Festivals, Rituals and rites of ife corroborate the oral tradition from the Obadio and Isoro in general
I don't expect you to know that because you have no traditional background or contact but those who do have made their publications

Those who have knowledge and contact of Ife traditions have examined the source itself and we now know that oduduwa was indeed a local Yoruba man not a foreigner you Abrahamics so desperately want to be

If you want to challenge this, you can go to Ife yourself

Imagine a person who wants to be a foreigner so bad calling me a foreigner
Go and bring your elders, all of them in your family I am more Yoruba than them

What do you know about Oke Ora? Oduduwa ascend from Heaven fact believe it or not

macof:
@metaphysical
You have a real problem of ranting and crying when you can't have your way. You cannot point out any of my statements that are not consistent with facts that's just it , plain and simple. Meanwhile you still haven't presented the coptic text that a Yoruba speaker can understand

i have given the source to this information many times - Ooni coronation, odun Idio etc all present a clear positioning of oke-ora in Oduduwa's life.
The historical narrative does not challenge the spritual or mythical. Oduduwa is both the orisa that came from orun to create the earth as he is the man that came from oke-ora to become King of Ife...these are both original traditions from the Obadio and Isoro in general. Every Yoruba Orisa has two sides, one human, one spiritual. people may mix both up creating a legend but relics exist that serious historians observe and interprete for the historical context within. Therefore looking at ife traditions (festivals, shrines, rites and rituals) there is always a pointer to how far the spiritual aspect of an orisa has encroached on the historical/Human and it is the historians job to present the historical as "historical" as possible otherwise there is no history.
You have said this confuses you a lot of times, which is to be expected, you do not have the mind or intention of a historian, you are just doing abrahamic evangelism based on your faith in your imagination and attachment to those your religion talks about
When you fail to stay in your lane and focus on whatever you did not finish studying at the polytechnic you find yourself out of place and confused

As the foremost historian of our time and current yoruba leader Prof. Akintoye puts it "there is a wealth of historical data in oral traditions, rituals, festivals and folklore...all this have greatly helped and encouraged the study of yoruba history in our times"

Prof. Akanmu Adebayo

Yoruba are not Niger Congo or upper or lower guinea.. We moved to our present location from east /North of Africa due to war .. we have two group of people in west Africa .Arid people from the east north region of Africa and forest primitive from the southern forest bantus pigmies ..

MrBrownJay1:
alwrong alwrong yeah!

Concept of God , Good and bad is created by man ..... What we were born with is inbuilt survival mechanism as man evolved to state of communal living they device an act to protect their communal survival to co-exit ..

MrBrownJay1:
lol, whats next?
- some mormon community get married and have sex with children so its "right" to marry children or have sex with kids, abi?!
- some people are forced into marriage and subsequently raped because the demon believe it is right to rape their wives, and believe it aint rape, so thats "right", abi?!
- some juju driven communities believe its ok to sacrifice children for rituals, so its "right" abi?!

alright alright

MrBrownJay1:
worshiping any god means putting that god (and its views) above your own self/views, thus i believe that any god is wrong. therefore your own views and decisions is what should matter above anyone else's. you dont need any god to know RIGHT from WRONG... you dont need any god to BE RIGHTEOUS. so, you (as an individual) should be the most important person in your life, hands down, and if anyone expects and/or demands to be above you, then its wrong IMHO

lol are you a psychologist ... Nothing is good nor bad thinking makes it so .. Cannibalism may be normal and good thing in one community and could be taboo and bad thing other community

Olu317:
According to Jeffrey, he says, “Thus the distinguished anthropologist , Lord Raglan,(1935:15) has laid it down that:.....no invention, discovery, custom,belief,or even stoey is known for certain to have originated in two separate culture." Braima Alias Abraham: A study in diffusion by M.D.W Jeffreys.
From the above information,it is obvious, nothing as cultural connection be it mode of worship or linguistic connection between Yoruba and Semitic group with being of same stock at early stage because. The written history of the Yorubas of Nigeria occurs in the Infakul,Maisuri of Sultan Muhammad Bello, in whch Arnett's (1930:16), translation runs: “ The people of Yoruba are descended from the Kanana and Kindred of Nimrod.

In conclusion of Lucas on the above information, he says, In spite of the fanciful character of Sultan Bello's view on the whole, his statement that the Yorubas "originated from the remnants of the children of Canaan who were of the tribe of Nimrod" demands further consideration.

Furthermore, Dr. Farrow too has collected interesting facts
the traditions, myths, customs, idioms and sacrifices of the Yorubas ,which Show distinct traces. Commenting on these facts he says, "Whilst they do not necessarily imply any trace of Semitic origin, they would seem to indicate that the Semitic Hebrews and the Negritic Yorubas belong to branches which at some early stage were united to a common stem."

Sir. A.C. Burns says, "it is probable that the Yorubas were not originally of negro blood."



While,the quest of Yoruba identity has been in obscurity, the Infakul of Sultan Muhammad Bello of Sokoto,has the account, which mentioned the root words for Yoruba as: Y R B (y r b).

Interestingly, in Semitic language:

“y " is yud, which is represented as yi, i, ee. The last two are used interchangeably with “y" if it is not the starting letter in a word.

R, is Reish ( head) which is represented with riii,ree sound~when pronounced

B is Bet, which is represented by b,bh

Thus, considering these root in the infakul , known as “y r b" are semitic and close reconstruction of the meaning, will give us what the probable pronunciation sound like and its meaning, which I had emphasised on previously. So, the forming of the root word to make more sence will in these following while using the Ancient Hebrew's Semitic Alphabet:

Yerab-yarob,eerab- irab-ærab-arab-yarab- Yoruba descendants. The above reconstruction ks based on Semitic inscription of Classic Hebrew. The most amazing is that the word being reconstructed is referino to a people, whose foundation is based on Shepherd & Priest called Araba who is orumiela, ; ba' araba aba(the first self creating powerful being to exist)

The information above is drawn from Clasic Hebrew alphabet, to interpret the meaning, the reconstruction o what the “Y R B" is . And these semitic root in Classic Hebrew begun with bilateral root and grew to trilateral root. So
Yareb,
Yareb,
Yarob,
Yarub,
irab,
æreb,
areb,
areb
Yarab,
Yoruba ; as a name is basically a product of Semitic root , R B(r b) ,which is Rab(Rabi). Interestingly, Ela is the Araba in Yoruba Ifaodu corpus which is the one whom we worship in awesome reverence( lit. to worship while one is crawling toward positioning). This can only point to the direction of what the account of Sultan Muhammad Bello,claimed that Yoruba are Canaan; Hebrew group, in the written script that was translated from Arabic script by different people.

what is the significant of 16. to yoruba tradition 16 odus

Amujale:
For goodness sake, you are missing the point.

This thread isnt concerned about the argument about body art.

Nothing goes to waste, rather than search for a negative connotation, we seek to exploit in a good way the very clues meant as a means of identification.

Btw, assuming there are no body arts, how are we to determine that the Nubian woman is indeed Nigerian? Our parents knew that these things will come in handy today.


The history here is that Nigerians are amongst the West Africans who help create the Nile Valley civilisation.

you are right bro

Olu317:
Well, I am Yoruba too and scarification is a taboo in my own lineage too though I will post Yoruba scarification.

What part of yoruba land are you from why is it facial scarification a taboo in your lineage ... ..my ancestors my forebears didn't have scarification..

Our deities forbid people with scarification they are unclean if go to ile-Ife you will know scarification is recent..

Amujale:
I have checked that myself, there are Yoruba who have that body art.

Yes Northern Nigerians have these. i.e Kokobiri, Gara e.t.c Yoruba use these as well. i.e Highlanders

I wouldnt post it without the correct verification.

Perhaps it goes to show how closely related the people of Nigeria actually are and that once we get rid of these foreign extremist ideologies, what remains is a lovely communion of brothers and sisters.

that woman is not yoruba

Olu317:
Well, I am Yoruba too and scarification is a taboo in my own lineage too though I will post Yoruba scarification.

our ancestor forbid it ..our deity forbid it

Amujale:
You're wrong.

The people who published that evidence (my sources) are professionals that actually travelled to these places and affirmed for themselves.

These body arts are well known and documented by the real time historians that i posted earlier.

Furthermore, i'm Yoruba and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the images are absolutely correct.

The image of supposed Yoruba woman is not yoruba woman but kokobiri woman of northern Nigeria

IBOS

Jibu
They were discovered by a Nigerian journalist named Stephen Osu. After a nine-hour mountain climb, he found these descendants of the Kwararafa Kingdom scattered around on the mountains in Gashaka Local Government Area of Taraba State.

They live naked, choosing to cover certain parts of their bodies with leaves. These leaves and grass are used to cover their bed — a bamboo mat. They drink water from the same streams also used by animals.

kambari people of niger state are naked people that is even close to us

Niger benue confluence of naked people most naked people discovered in Nigeria are from that region

Olu317:
They are not bro. You can google picture of all Yoruba scarification. Beside, there are Yoruba descendants who don't wear scarification on their faces, except if one is abiku linked. I am sure Ileife art work has prove such exist at one time in that cosmopolitan city....



Cheers

scarification is recent in yoruba history my own lineage is a taboo to have scarification

Amujale:
It's a well established fact that the original Tunisians are Nubian.

All the original communities in North Africa was Nubian communities.

Its important to note that apart from the modern definition of Nubian that the original North Africans belong, this term was used loosely to describe all melanated communities similar to the way Ethiopian, Kush, Blacksic and we would eventually adopt our given name Africa.

The name Africa predates any foreign intervention.

The evidence suggest that our ancestors, 'the phenoms', named our continent 'aphrike' whilst they occupied Asia and Europe, calling their origin 'the land that is free from cold and horror', that was later Romanized into 'Africa'.

i told them the whites there now are arabs and turks Jordanese, Syrian origin

macof:
Except, Sigidi is not made of Igi (wood) but clay.

And this your Èrè (profit), Eré (Play), Ère (statue) connection is quite funny
Are we to imply that Ìlú (city) and Ìlù (drum) are the same words?

PS. You talk of no solution from me and tao, interestingly, there isn't a problem that needs solutions. You are the one creating problems for yourself

baba sigidi is in ife .he turned to stone

gregyboy:
The tracing of all yoruba history to ife was never historical, it was first used by Samuel johson




Again when did oduduwa exist

Enu e' bi enu' eiye yen lo ma pa e''...

TAO11:
Lol!

laughing yes