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Christlike01:
My business is not to prove anything to you but for you to know that more and more of such policies that will sanitize our state are coming and nothing on this earth will stop us from implementing those policies.

You know the way to your village if you can't cope,village boy !

I for one will certainly support government demolishing your church because you are definitely anything but Christlike

What a hypocrite! Do you discriminate when collecting tithes and offerings? Do you discriminate when sending your children to school? Do you discrimate when going to the market or to the hospital?

naptu2:
The government has a duty to uphold the law. They swore an oath that they would uphold the law.

The government also has a duty to its citizens that are affected by these illegal actovities.

Do not let lawless people who think they can do anything they want to confuse you.

Again man was not made for Sabbath but Sabbath for man. Laws are designed to serve the greatest good. We cannot be playing politics with people's livelihoods right now! Absolutely not! Before government is thinking about demolishing structures, first thing should be to ensure such areas have good public infrastructure. That's all I'm saying. Govt is elected to serve the people. Not so?

naptu2:
Read

This is the law

Ignorantia juris non excusat

Even from biblical times, Man was not made for Sabbath bro but Sabbath for Man. That was why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees.

I asked you a question about a private community health center. I await your response.

Christlike01:
This is exactly what you're running away from; your tasteless,slavery identity and heritage! For how long are you gonna keep running away,Chinedu ? We aren't complaining about our government in Lagos, Sanwo-Olu is working and Lagos is moving forward. You should be concerned about the demons that are chasing your own people away from your ancestral 'cause that's where you belong !

Even if your great grandfather refused to go back to his village and died in Lagos,that will NEVER make an indigene of Lagos State. You're nothing but an "atohunrinwa", a poor economic migrant from the pit of hell !

More yenyen. Why are you so angry bro 🤣🤣🤣? Did you just finish fighting bus conductor for change?

As for your moniker.... Is this how someone who is Christ like should talk?

Still on the matter, e sure me die say you are definitely not from Lagos state. You're just a wannabe who does not even mean well for the people of Lagos.

AyeMoJuba:
How many of those ramshackle structures can afford a soundproof technology?
They are long due to be taken out of residential areas.
Good riddance to bad rubbish joo

Let's start by ensuring these structures comply to code first. Those that can't will definitely need to be shut down.

However, I'm sure you would prefer having good access roads and better schools and health care facilities than noisy churches.

naptu2:
It's even right there on the Wikipedia article about town planning!

Read the screenshot below.

Fines, penalties and demolition... Not just the extreme and certainly not when the public infrastructure is in total decay!

Government should lead from the front!

naptu2:
Lagos was properly zoned when I was a kid.

Ikoyi, Victoria Island, Ikeja GRA and parts of Apapa were the main upper class residential areas.

Yaba, Surulere, etc were the main middle class residential areas.

Maroko, Ajegunle, etc were the main lower class residential areas.

The industrial areas were at Apapa, Ikeja and Ilupeju.

The main commercial district was on Lagos Island, in the Broad Street/Marina area.

Broad Street, which was a one-way street, was wider than Bourdillon Road, which was a two-way street. This was because Broad Street handled more traffic because it was in the central business district, while there was nothing like traffic jam on Bourdillon Road.

In fact there was nothing like traffic jam in the whole of eastern Ikoyi. It was a quiet leafy neighbourhood. You said goodbye to the sun as soon as you crossed Falomo. There were large trees that acted as canopies over the whole area.

Roads in the industrial areas were built thicker than roads in other areas because the government knew that the industrial areas had to handle large trailer trucks that could easily damage thin roads.

The destruction of Lagos began in the mid-1980s.

The military governments allowed anybody to build anything anywhere. The area boy phenomenon appeared on Lagos Island and many large companies fled to Victoria Island.

Parts of Victoria Island that were meant to be residential areas were suddenly attacked by tall buildings. Imagine building a large skyscraper on a narrow road that was designed to be a residential area. That was the cause of the terrible traffic jam on V/I.

I was very angry when the Tinubu and Fashola governments began widening the roads to accomodate those skyscrapers. I had been dreaming of using a bulldozer to demolish them.

Look at what's happening in Shomolu. People have gone to build warehouses in an area that is supposed to be a residential area. You see long trailer trucks trying to navigate narrow roads and delaying everybody behind them. Boys on the trucls have to use sticks to move electric wires aside.

Those heavy trailers have destroyed the roads in Shomolu and the government has to keep repairing them non-stop.

I remember when residents of Satellite Town complained to the Lagos State Government.

Satellite Town was built in the 1970s to be a quiet residential area, but people have now gone to build tank farms all over the place. The tankers have destroyed all the roads in the area and residents can hardly drive through because there are tankers parked everywhere. They are even putting the residents at risk from fire and explosions

Your stories are quite amusing actually but there is some truth to what you are saying although views can be a little extreme. Imagine dreaming of demolishing skyscrapers

Some of you would really do and undo if you were in power

naptu2:
People deliberately do illegal things with the idea that the worst that the government can do is come to an agreement with them.

These people need to be punished so that they won't do the same thing next time.

There is no way anyone can convince me that people did not know that you need planning permission before converting those properties.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on this sir. Again my issue is not with sanctions but the type of sanctions imposed. In everything the greater good of all should be considered. If a retired doctor converts his 3 bedroom apartment to a hospital serving the community and is yet to get the approval to use his residential property for commercial purpose, would you advocate for same to be demolished knowing it has been saving lives and providing health care for community residents?

Christlike01:
Lol ! Lagos is a "hot mess" yet you guys keep running away from your own ancestral land, always arriving in droves overnight in Ekene Dili Chukwu and Young Shall Grow buses in that same "hot mess" Lagos,right ?! Quit whatever hard substance you're smoking already;it's messing up your mental health ,kiddo !

You guys obsession with Lagos and Yoruba land is quite disgusting! You think the people of Lagos State "deserve better government" but your own people can't even live in your own region/states ?! If governance is better in your ancestral region,why are your people moving out in droves from it ?! You're sure I'm not a Lagosian because it has always been you guys's dream to take over my land and make it yours right from the days of a certain Mr Nnamdi Azikiwe but you've always been failing and will continue to fail ! How is it Yoruba problem that you guys are not proud of your own identity and heritage hence you keep running away from it !

My point earlier is very clear; go back to your village if you can't cope with our laws in Lagos. We won't lower our standards or bend our laws just because some villagers from gods-know-where feel uncomfortable with it ! Only if you'll invest just a little of the energy and time you use in monitoring Lagos government and Yoruba people around in your own state government and Ndigbo, perhaps the the influx of Ekene Dili Chukwu and Young Shall Grow buses into Lagos and other parts of Yoruba land will reduce !

Now,crawl back into whatever hole you came out from and remain dumber than you're already there, slowpoke!

Yenyen cry more..... It doesn't take away the fact that the people of Lagos deserve better and should hold their government accountable.

It also does not detract from the fact that you are most definitely not from Lagos and don't wish the people of Lagos well

naptu2:
What those people did is illegal and the government is right to correct it. That is unarguable.

Obi58 can only do what about every other wrong in the world, but he cannot change the fact that it is illegal to convert residential buildings without planning permission and the government is right to correct the wrong that was done. This is a fact, not an opinion.

The government has every right to correct it without doubt. I have not disputed that. The key question is HOW this is done to ensure the most minimal disruption of people's livelihoods and ensuring a win win situation. This is where I fault the implementation.

naptu2:
More utter tosh from Obi58. He is so desperate to write something negative that he is rambling all over the place.

His only hope is to ttry and derail the thread because he cannot win on this issue, so he'll talk about something else.

Town planning

I was taught this topic in my primary school social studies class, so I assumed that everybody will understand it, but sadly it seems that’s not the case, so I’ll have to explain it.

Every sensible jurisdiction has got a town planning authority and you cannot build, renovate, convert or alter a property in any way without planning permission.

The reason for planning permissions are numerous, but in summary, it’s all about how what you want to do will affect your neighbours, the environment and the image of the city or town. The ways include:

1)Traffic: Imagine that you live in a quiet residential neighbourhood with narrow streets and someone suddenly builds a megachurch, stadium, theatre or some other kind of large facility without providing appropriate parking facilities. Firstly, the road was not designed to handle that kind of traffic and secondly, he has not provided adequate parking facilities for the large number of people that will visit his establishment.
That means that home owners might have great difficulty going into and out of their houses. That’s why it’s necessary for the planning authorities to know the impact of your establishment of traffic before you are given planning permission.

2) Noise: The planning authorities must evaluate whether your establishment will make a lot of noise and disturb neighbours and they must know how you intend to mitigate the effect of that noise before they grant planning permission. In some places some establishments are not permitted to stay open after 10pm, some establishments are required to soundproof their halls and or equipment, etc. All these must be done before planning permission is granted.


3) In fact, in some jurisdictions you are not permitted to build above a certain height and you cannot even cut the trees on your property. All these are done to preserve the aesthetics of the place.

4) In some jurisdiction these regulations are used to plan how the government and other authorities provide services to the populace. For example, in times of electricity shortage the electricity company can manage the load by providing electricity to commercial and industrial districts in the mornings and afternoons and to residential districts in the evenings and nights.

In Lagos State, the Lagos State Urban And Regional Planning And Development , Law regulates property development in the state.

Section 99 of the Lagos State Urban and Regional Planning and Development Law Cap. U2, Laws of Lagos State of Nigeria 2015, authorises the commissioner for town planning and urban development to make regulations for property developments in the state.

Under the regulations you cannot just wake up and decide to convert a residential property into a commercial property or a church without planning permission. It is illegal.
https://epp.lagosstate.gov.ng/regulations/REVISED_LASPPPA_REGULATION_2019_1.pdf



It is the same in all sensible jurisdictions around the world. I remember when Arsenal wanted to build the Emirates Stadium and they had to wait for planning permission from Islington Council.

Educate yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_permission

Uncle ....

This is not a discussion about town planning.

This is a discussion about priorities.

If you ask a Lagosian to choose between having good access roads and schools as compared to whether the shop in front of his house is legal or not there would be only one winner.

Enough already with all this hypocritical playing to the gallery naptu2. Charity begins at home. If you don't know what to do, go to Abia state and educate yourself on what a responsible and resojnsive government should be like instead of getting stuck in frivolous bureaucracy and redtapism which is not serving the people.

Utter tosh you said? Education without functionality is utter tosh and that's what you are currently exhibiting sir unfortunately.

This is an unalienable fact. The economy is currently in tatters. We have finally reached an all time low of $1 to N1520! Let that sink in! This is certainly not the time to be playing politics with people's livelihoods.

AyeMoJuba:
Late night Generator usage is the next in line to be outlawed.
Some people are so insensitive that they put on their Generators till 3am robing you of a good night rest.

Again putting the cart ahead of the horse. If there is adequate electricity would anyone be putting on gen at that time? What is your government doing about it?

delpee:
The sound proofing rule and specified noise levels has always been there. People don't comply. Some have been closed severally, yet the situation remains the same once reopened. It's a terrible experience having a sleepless night after the day's gruelling stress.

This is where enforcement and active engagement of stakeholders by government comes in! Instead of destroying the worship center, if a mosque or church is a serial offender, nothing stops government from sending the imam or pastor to jail for 1-3 months if letters and fines have failed. These things can work! Just don't throw the baby away with the bath water!!

naptu2:


obi58 has written so much crap on this thread in an effort to be negative. There are building regulations in Lagos and you know when you get a piece of land whether it is residential or commercial. It is illegal to convert a residential piece of land to a commercial business. The people that did the conversion know this. The government must enforce the law and no whataboutism can change that.

The government is not arbitrarily removing buildings because it feels like. Those businesses are illegally situated

@naptu2

You can call what I write crap but that's your opinion. I'm also entitled to mine. If you feel government should not focus on its primary responsibility of providing social amenities and getting public infrastructure working as it should as a matter of urgency and priority then you are obviously the one full of crap. There are a thousand and one things LASG should be doing to make the lives of 21 million Lagosians easier and not the other way around. This is 2024 and there is no pipeborne water in Lagos state! Private individuals have to dig their boreholes and wells still!

As to the businesses illegally situated, you may or may not agree with me but there are several approaches that can be explored not just the absolute extreme of shutting down or closing same. Right now the country is in severe economic crisis and government should be doing everything to support people's businesses and get them to comply. For those doing legitimate business but without requisite approvals, government can impose fines whilst working with them to get the necessary permits and help mitigate their environmental impact whilst keeping their doors open. This would not only increase government taxable entities but ensure reduced unemployment and less crime. Win-win if you ask me!

delpee:
The sound proofing rule and specified noise levels has always been there. People don't comply. Some have been closed severally, yet the situation remains the same once reopened. It's a terrible experience having a sleepless night after the day's gruelling stress.

Now I thank you for your kind response. Serial defaulters should be sanctioned thoroughly ranging from fines to jail time. The message MUST be passed across! Do your business or worship center but don't infringe on others rights!

Procashtips:
Maybe because they were not supposed to be there in the first place?

Maybe maybe not but honestly the government actually has more pressing issues to address in Lagos than demolishing people's buildings and businesses. For a center of excellence, the state of Lagos roads, schools, health centers, markets and motor parks are all in a sorry state. Lastma is a joke and Agberos reign as kings.

Christlike01:
So, what's stopping you from relocating to Abia state ? If only those people who have poured their entire villages into Lagos State will start relocating back to wherever jungles they came from,the pressure on the existing public infrastructures will reduce and Lagos State government will be able to work more on improving the quality of social services in the state !

Mtchew,they keep arriving in droves from their godforsaken erosion ravaged land of criminals thereby putting massive pressure on the state public infrastructures but these same villagers from hell won't stop blaming and criticizing the Lagos State government for every step taking to right all the wrongs !

It's not a must to live in Lagos,those who are not comfortable with what the state govt is doing to sanitize the state and make it a descent environment for sane people to live in can go back to wherever jungle they came from !

The same tired shameless argument... I'm sure you're not a Lagosian because no sane Lagosian will not want better infrastructure and social amenities than the hot mess Lagos currently is. The people of Lagos deserve better than a government who is more interested in destroying people's livelihoods and devising new means of taxing people's meager earnings instead of actually SERVING THE PEOPLE.

APCNig:
This one mental evaluation. His father runs a fake Church in his apartment, so he is pained that his mean of livelihood is about to be shut down

Answer the questions raised and stop exposing the kind of parental upbringing you had or lack thereof

porthouse7:
buy beer and sub to ur decoder, enough of this disturbance

As a lady where will they chyk you or take you out to if you don't go out to hang out? Don't be hypocritical please.

7lives:
Are those places originally build and registered as churches?.
If not, this new law is a welcome development.

Is your neighborhood barbing saloon or supermarket originally built and registered as same? Let's stop acting as if Lagos is built only for the elites.

AyeMoJuba:
How many of those ramshackle structures can afford a soundproof technology?
They are long due to be taken out of residential areas.
Good riddance to bad rubbish joo

If the building is ramshackle then it should not be used in the first place but if not then it should be soundproofed.

DenreleDave:
Yen yen yen

I know say you no go get anything sensible to say

DWJOBScom:
We do no need the chaos that comes with it
There are other places where businesses can be set up without messing up residential peace

Let's give this better perspective for it to sink in.... Today it's religious centres and sitouts right? What if tomorrow the govt decides to relocate all businesses from residential areas in furtherance of the so called original master plan. Can you imagine traveling distances to buy a bar of soap from the supermarket or just to get a hair cut?

Moderation is key. Soundproof sitouts and bars and religious centers and sanction defaulters instead of shutting them down indiscriminately. For those religious centers without approvals, work with them to get them up to code and issue then requisite permits. People are going through a lot these days and religion and sitouts are our own form of local therapy here. That's why you don't have the kind of random shootings in public places here that happen every now and again abroad.

DWJOBScom:
We do no need the chaos that comes with it
There are other places where businesses can be set up without messing up residential peace

That's where govt comes in. A responsible govt sets up guidelines and standards to ensure the chaos you refer to is averted and step in to correct errant businesses where necessary. Let's stop with this Taliban mentality of closing down people's businesses with reckless abandon when with the necessary support and guidance it can be a win win situation for all!

drololaaof:
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Gradually sanity is coming on board. It will however bring hardship to many worshippers who will have to travel long distance to worship center due to the current economic hardship at a time the attendance has dwindled.

Like I always say.. one size cap doesn't fit all. Soundproofing worship centres to curb noise pollution is not a bad idea but forcing them to relocate outside residential areas is taking it too far.

DenreleDave:
This is great....

Enough of noise in residential areas

Don't by hypocritical. Don't you enjoy going to take a cold bottle of beer or watch match after a long day at work or at the weekends? Apart from the normal fun catching done at sit outs, Do you know how many business deals and alliances are done at sit outs?

DWJOBScom:
This is beautiful before the horrible people turn everywhere to business places

More Business places means more jobs and less crime. More jobs mean more income, more income means more taxes, more taxes mean better infrastructure.

I hope you get my drift?

Chikel20000:
Dis is real development....no one should cry if witch-hunting.....dis is in line with standards ....

Which standards exactly? Where are the standards when it comes to roads in Lagos? Health centres? Schools? Market places? Motor parks? Where are the standards when it comes to sanitising lastma? Where are standards when it comes to maintaining BRT buses which are fast beginning to look like blue molues? Have you been to the toilets at the Oshodi bus terminal recently? What's the state of facilities at LASU? LASPOTECH? How many scholarships has LASG provided? Business grants to budding entrepreneurs? What exactly is LASEMA doing to eradicate Agberos which one of the biggest environmental menaces in Lagos state? I hear in Abia state ticketing is now electronic for transporters so there are no Agberos anywhere. Won't this boost government revenue and improve the lives of Lagosians?

My brother, charity begins at home. LASG needs to start first with revamping public infrastructure and improving the quality of social services before they start forming activity walking up and down looking for people's businesses and structures to destroy.

Funny enough, I think it is a good one from Wike. A school with 1000 pupils should not pay the same dues as one with 100 pupils.

Similarly I don't think a school charging 1m as school fees should be charged less than one charging 50k as school fees.

Well done Wike!

JasonScoolari:
If all these will stop me from not going hard on your mom's punny, I would have stopped, but you keep motivating me.

I will make her legs wobble like a jelly fish 😂 trust me

Is that the story of how you were conceived as your mom's legs wobbled with delight whilst being gang banged mercilessly?

Pele o....

JasonScoolari:
Hopefully, your Dad will be the aboki I will have party with.

Me him and your mom. You will hold the camera for us 🤣

I've never seen someone so fixated on people's parents! Just plain jealousy if you ask me

This is what happens when you are the product of the neighborhood public toilet brought up as a gay ashy in the ghetto brothel!

JasonScoolari:
Would you like to see a video of me and your mom? Don't be shy, na work wey she take dey feed you

Jason Twerker.... Agba Ghetto Bobrisky!