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why the hatred towards MTN?

This is total waste of money, and it only maintains the status quo. why is the north so insecure if thier population is a much as they claim it to be?

they wont even give a state by state breakdown, so tis a total waste

I hope all goes well with this woman. Based on the increase in federal reserve alone, i feel like she has done a swell job. I hope she can get the money even higher. If she can become a governor and get a base, i'd like to see her run for president or even VP

it will go off without a hitch. no violence whatsoever, except perhaps in some local areas. but federally it will be good

you should have PMed him

there isnt a solution. government just has to control the bad PR from 419

@I get your point though, which is "lets prop up our country rather than bashing her all the time."


that wasnt my point.My point is nigeria isnt the lawless place people say it is.
I understand how th numbers work and wasnt looking solely the raw numbes. What i was saying is that if zimbabw has 20 milion people and 1 million rapes, and nigeria has 100 million people and 1 milion rapes, zim is much worse.


Go back and look at the per capita murder rates. It changes, but the same countries still occupy the main positions. Nigeria isn tthere to be found. colombi, south africa are at the top, then jamaica.

My impressive of nigeria is borne out my experince and th numbers that i read. I havent got the impression that the place is as lawles as claime. It can and should be much better, but i've been put in greater danger by police in america more times, then police in nigeria.

I dont know how you figure i didnt address your points head n. i went through them one by one

@ Aside from the possibility of Nigeria not having the same data collection system (surveillance system) as S Africa and Zimbabwe, the web site states this: "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence."

What this means is that the statistics you have presented is dependent on;
1. The willing of a victim to report rape to the authorities, and
2. The effectiveness and efficiency of law enforcement

Thats precisely why i gave you a variety of countries. I guess now you'll say zimbabwe, zambia, and all the others countries i gave you have better reportin systems than nigeria. the fact is with nigeria's high population, even the poorest of reporting system should push nigeria's crime rate to the top if its as lawless as you claim.

You added that education of the victim and so forth is needed. I offer to you that on average is less educated than zim or zambia, but Nigeria has larger population that is educated. Basically the 66% of nigerians that are educated come to about 75million people, which is greater than all of zim, 3 times over. For zim to out rank nigeria in rape, it has to be doing it at 3 tmes the rate nigeria is. If nigeria was a bad as you claim, it should have appeared on the list because there are so many educate nigerias. Same goes for jamaica, zambia, etc. How does jamaica with such a small population out pace nigeria in rapes and murders? you blame it all on bad reporting systems

as to why there isnt any west african country on the list I can only speculate that is has to do with the small population numbers, (gambia, 1 mil, Liberia, 3 mil, benin, togo, 6 mil, ) with only ghana being a somewhat hefty country, but its generally a peaceful country so we arent bound to find scary stats coming out of there. Nigeria is 50% of west africa's population. In addition, most west african countries havent had the turmoil of nigeria until recently. mayb the stats will change with those wars, but for the most part gambia, senegal, SL, burkina faso, niger are not known for crime. I think poor reporting plays in nigeria favor, but one can't push aside the fact that nigeria has a massive educated population. Thier numbers should hav an effect.

Is not a surprise that india tops the list for total murders because of its population. Russia is next. and the US is up there. China, im sure, isnt on the list because it hides its figures as policy of the communistgovernment. Zim, zambi and jamaica surpasing nigeria cannot be blamed solely on poor reporting

to answer your questions

1. when these guys are caught, some go to jail. some dont. My boss for instance, didn't. He's been very slick. Ultimately some are caught, others are not. But i'm not saying nigeria is a good as country as the uS. I'm saying that nigeria has is bad prts and good parts,liek other countries. But certainly the US is more lawful than nigeria, that i haven't agued. i merely stated tha nigeria is not as you describe it here.

2. Assuming the data system is the same, Nigeria still would not rank a high as south africa. South africa is a country that has gone through aparthied so its murder rate is a reflection of frustration at the great inbalance of wealth. rape likewise is a form of the weak seeking to exercise some power. Nigeria has its crime, but not on that level. Even casually speaking to people, much more of them have been attacked in south africa than nigeria. besides if you look at that chart, it lists countries with sysem of data collection we would expect from nigeria, like zimbabwe, papau new guinea, Kyrgyzstan, zmbia, etc and they are all ranked higher than nigeria in these crimes

as a lawyer in the US i can tell you the same thing goes onhere in new york. Even some of the judges take bribes and one politician i worked for was notorious or it. Your perception of the US as a haven of lawfullness is misguided

As seun said, you missed what i was saying. No one is questioning your love for nigeria. and if you feel the comparison to the US is wrong, then thats fine. I was pointing out that the police in the US are just as ruthless. I've been a victim, as have been my friend. If anything most of the police in nigeia are pathetic beggers, and are that way because of bad government. What excuse does an american police have to be that way? Ok, fine let's leave the US alone, what of south africa. how mny people know that it ranks for high in rapes and murders: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_cap
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

Look at those numbers and try to tell me about lawlesness. Its rape is almost double that of the country in second place. Yet south africa has a better reputation and perception around the world. This morning i read another article that said Festac town is a ton full of scammers, and attributed the money the EFCC has recoved ($700million)solely to 419 scams, which is a lie, the money colleced has involved various multinationals, oil companies, officials such as abacha. They attributed this money to 419 because it helps the news organisations here exxagerate the 419 problem in order to swear the entire country. This sort of mischaracterisation of the 419 issue and nigeria's problem is too common and its perpetuated by us as well, destroying our country;s image.

By the way, this is the article I read this morning:

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0508070399aug07,1,3423926.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed]E-scams bear fruit despite police crackdown in Nigeria[/url]

Associated Press
Published August 7, 2005

LAGOS, Nigeria -- Day in, day out, a strapping, amiable 24-year-old who calls himself Kele B. heads to an Internet cafe, hunkers down at a computer and casts his net upon the cyber-waters.

Despite signs warning of the penalties for Internet fraud, he has sent out thousands of e-mails telling recipients they've won about $6.4 million in a British "Internet lottery."

"Congratulation! You Are Our Lucky Winner!" the e-mail says.

So far, Kele says, he has had only one response. But he claims it paid off handsomely. An American took the bait, he says, and coughed up "fees" and "taxes" of more than $5,000, never to hear from Kele again.

Festac Town, a district of Lagos where the scammers ply their schemes, has become notorious for "419 scams," named for the section of the Nigerian penal code that outlaws them.

In Festac Town, an entire community of scammers works the Internet overnight. By day the scammers flaunt their clothes and cars and hang around the Internet cafes, trading stories about successful cons and near misses.

Here lurk purveyors of such software as "e-mail extractors," which can harvest e-mail addresses by the million.

Now, however, Nigerian authorities say a 3-year-old crackdown is yielding results.

The rest of the article is on [url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0508070399aug07,1,3423926.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed]the link[/url].

pintos, i'm also from calabar and its by no means a whitewash. How was the place before Duke and how is it now. Yes, not everyone has a job, but I don't expect that in one administration. Even under Bush the US has been losing jobs. But the point is cross river is moving in the right direction. It has a people oriented invested policy that has garned international recognition and invesment. and its done this with little or no resources in the state. Only with ideas. I know people that own businesses in cross river state and they cant praise the man enough for the suppor he has given them. Mind you its only been 6 years. Did you expect him to have 100% employment in that short time?

People are so unwilling to give credit where it is due, but are so generous with criticism. How can you say jamborees and sweeping the floor is all they do. I'm sure if they didnt sweep the floor you'd say, "they can't even sweep the floor!" Give me a break. I get your position, nigeria is te worst place on the planet. Not a soul is doing anything decent

Thi is what you stated: :Okay, US police kill, true that! find the statistics, it is sporadic. Do they shot and ask questions later? Do they shot because you would not cooperate with them? Are you even comfortable calling Nigerian police when you are in problem? Do US police pull you over and make you open your luggage at every check point? Yes, there is racial profiling in the US and you could get pulled over. But their reasons are different from Nigeria police men.

I'm telling you that the police in the US kill for all those reasons, just as in Nigeria. Its a bad thing whether it happens in nigeria or the US, but my ultimate point is that nigeria is more than these negtive things. Just like the US is more than it negative parts. The funny thing is people think nigeria is so violent a country, yet vacation places like south africa and jamaica are more violent yet, if you asked anyone on the street they would ay nigeria is. South africa leads the world in both rapes and murders. But people think nigerians are the worse. You know why? because we go about exaggerating the problems in the country.

I wish you luck.

200 students at first. The article says it will eventually hold 7,500 students

Nothing was lawlessness ? sounds liek you are the blind man. in the US police dont kill people? doesnt the public riot afterwards?

College cultism is exxagerrated. Yes its a problem, but you want to compare it to gangs in LA, or chicago? do any of those area boys measure up to the Latin Kings or wild gangs like that. The US has kids killing themselves, high schools kids, with sophisticated guns yet they would never call thier society lawles because there is more to a socity than violence.

As for refuge everywhere, come visit calabar and tell me what refuge you find on the streets. Nigeria is a big and very varied country

Instead of being scrapped, maybe NYSC should be improved. I think its a great program with a lot of potential

hot angel, its not cheap by nigerian standards, but it does serve a purpose because it free up space are other schools. also there will liekly be scholarships for poor students.

kazey, who you date doesnt make one racist. But in nigeria, i tell you, we make a lot of accomodations for white people. even at the airport, the useless people allow the whites to walk to the front of the line and cut off everybody. nonsense people

hotangel, why do you assume I live in the hood, or the pissing takes place by my home? I see it all over the business districts, even by a police station, where people park thier cars open the door and hide behind it to piss. You may not have noticed, but it happens. I dont know where you saw me write anything about "black hoods." That goes to me point earlier that we tend to hate ourselves more. Go check out the whie trash areas

I live both in brooklyn and have a home in upstate NY, suburbia, and it happens in upstate Ny and in Brooklyn. Don't feel bad for me, small pikin.

kazey, you're right racism is everywhere. But i'm yet to meet nigerians racist towards whites, or anyone else for that matter. we seem to hate only ourselves

Its interesting to see these things are just coming out here in the US. How popular are fixed wireless phones in nigeria? Is that the only mode of land lines people use?

whisked away doesnt mean dead. It means taken away. and knowing the tabloid nature of nigerian newspapers, im sure even that is an exxageration

cheap compared to US tuition, but in china thiers is even cheaper. its like 1000 dollars

I think achebe's words were taken out of context. i spoke to someone that went to the event and they dont remember him saying that

I dont agree. Nigeria is in bad shape, but not on the brink of lawlessness. When i hear lawlessness,i think sudan and congo. Nigeria is not in that realm at all

kazel, itsi is an excellent site. those guys have created a lot of good stuff.

nice site

http://www.oandoplc.com/ is another good site. big private company in nigeria

by the way, jotech, your sites have been the best ones so far. I didnt know about those companies. veyr interesting

yes, but it shouldnt still be heavily regulated. even in the US, the private companies are not allowed to charge over a certain price

dollars

excellent site.

this one isnt nigerian per se, but the co- founder of this law firm in the US is a nigerian and this is thier site.

www.blackwell-law.com