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Education › Re: Humiliation Of A University Graduate On Graduation Day (Pictures) by ocelot2006(m): 4:00pm On Nov 24, 2014
During my days, I was stoned with bags of pure water and drenched with additional buckets of, that's right, MORE WATER. It's just the usual ritual performed in universities across Nigeria. Writing your final paper ain't easy AT ALL.
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 3:49pm On Nov 24, 2014
emmatok:
Old man, how many times do you see GOOGLE physically attack MICROSOFT data center, or MTN attack GLO offices.
Glo and MTN even co-locate on each others facilities.

But politics if different, PDP and APC offices have been burnt down at different times.
Politic attract violence and protests due to ambitions.
Google don't attack Microsoft data centres.......but the FBI sure as hell strike hackers' hideouts.
Politics › Re: Nigerians Can We Forget This Guys? (pictures) by ocelot2006(m): 3:59pm On Nov 23, 2014
GenBuhari:
Repeating lies does not make become true.

It was a lie in 2011 and it still is
Burying your head in the sand will NOT make the truth go away. We will never forget the innocent killed cos of your mentor.
Politics › Re: Nigerians Can We Forget This Guys? (pictures) by ocelot2006(m): 1:14pm On Nov 23, 2014
GenBuhari:
Stop telling lies.
Sure, cos the hundred plus people killed up north after the elections were all made up lies abi? You want to repeat that garbage of yours on their graves?
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 1:10pm On Nov 23, 2014
Urine:
As much as I respect the DSS, Ogar doesn't have any idea of what she's saying.

1. If she says there was an attempt to hack the INEC network, does that means INEC an important and sensitive institution doesn't have an intrusion detection system? In fact the IPs that should be able to access the database should be limited.

2. If the APC data centre was an hacking office, you don't need to physically be in the premises to access their logs. DSS officials can access it if they are really good. Also with the manner they stormed the office, it would have been easy for the alleged hackers to clean up evidence, with a single button that evidence will be wiped clean.

3. If a real hacker wants to hack, he/she won't need a party office to do it. Even dumb hackers always get the 'gist' about location.

Ms Ogar needs to come up with a more compelling argument to convince me.
it is one thing for INEC to just install firewalls at it's end. It's another for the DSS to get to the source of these intrusion and dismantle it for good. And I say the DSS has done a good job on that. I do agree though that the DSS could've accessed the premises network remotely. Then again, it could've been done with evidence gathered, hence the decision to carry out that sting operation in the early hours.
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 1:02pm On Nov 23, 2014
blackfase:
While a hack could be possible, & while I also do not trust the desperadoes in APC, DSS acted very unproffessionally doin vandalism. What happened to gathering hard evidence from the wares to that effect?....
I so so hate Nigerian politics & its polithievcians. Everything is just becoming more & more ludicruous by the day....... *spits on them all
For pete's sake, how were the DSS unprofessional in their action?! Everything was done By THE BOOK.

1) they staked out the unmarked place for 2 weeks gathering intelligence
2)the got a search warrant
3) the stormed the site in the early hours to catch the culprits by suprise (like every other LEO ops carried out locally and internationally)
4) Hard drives and servers were siezed for further investjgation
5) Arrests were made to determine the brains behind the operations.

What else do you think they ought to have done? Why don't you read about arrests carried by the FBI ' S Cybercrime Division against hackers and let's see if anything was done differently.
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 12:51pm On Nov 23, 2014
duni04:
Lol who was hacking what?
Jeez....READ THE REPORT AGAIN. It clearly says that someone in that building was hacking INEC's database. That is a MAJOR crime.
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 12:34pm On Nov 23, 2014
chamboy:
After reading different statement from dss n Apc spokesperson. Here are my questions..
1. Why did DSS disguise in NAVAL outfit?
2. Why did DSS destroy the hard drives of the Systems n server?
3. Why did DSS arrest the 18 workers?
4. When did Search Operation become the work of DSS?
5. After the Raid, What did DSS come up with.


APC was so fast to claim the building, seems they are confidence that it a genuine Business Center...
1) I suggest you read the post again. It says it was a joint operation Btw the DSS and the Navy, not DSS disguised as Navy personnel. Btw, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Navy but the Nigerian Police Force, cos both Forces wear blue camouflage. Using the Navy makes no sense.
2) All I see is a rack without the servers and PCS without their hard drives. So that means the DSS catered them off for investigation. I do not see any smashed drives or servers.
3) Yes arrest were made so as to determine the culprits behind the hacking operation which Btw is a cybercrime.
4) The DSS is the nation's domestic intelligence service and secret police. Yes they have the right to carry out arrests and searches. Read about them.
5) Investigations are never completed overnight. When they're through the DSS will inform the public.

Overall, great job DSS
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 12:23pm On Nov 23, 2014
horpe132:
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Mrs Ogar has been speaking Useless English since the days of " Adam&Eve".
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Why did U destroy their Property huh Is that part of Ur Standard method of engagement huh
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Who signed the Court Order huh "Show us a copy"
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Confirm to us now if u met fake or cloned INEC voter Card there.
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And at the end of the day,,,,,,,,,,We won't hear anything again,,,,,,......,,,,,,,,Just heating Up the Nation for Nothing.
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& it goes on & on & on.................................................but I know it'll stop immediately after February 2015......
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Mrs Ogar I know you have an account here on Nairaland,,,,,,So kindly tell Us...........DO YOU "Dss" HAVE ANY CASE FILE ON "TOMPOLO" huhhuh?
What properties where destroyed? And true to the DSS' s claim, all I see are computer racks with servers gone and PCs with their hard drives removed. I say good job DSS. If these APC clowns think they can rig through the back door, they are on a long tin.
Politics › Re: Why We Raided A Computer Office In Lagos - DSS by ocelot2006(m): 12:19pm On Nov 23, 2014
The Nigerian Navy and Police both wear blue camouflage, although the former is digicam. Maybe it was the Police.
Politics › Re: DSS Operatives, Soldiers Raid Lagos APC Office [see Photos] by ocelot2006(m): 12:16pm On Nov 23, 2014
Story for the gods.
Politics › Re: Nigerians Can We Forget This Guys? (pictures) by ocelot2006(m): 12:14pm On Nov 23, 2014
GenBuhari:
OP, stop telling lies
Seems you've forgotten the aftermath of the last presidential election where Christians and Corp members were killed cos Jonathan won and Buhari lost. It's still a surprise Buhari's wasn't arrested for that.
Politics › Re: Police release NEW VIDEO: Extraordinary Scenes Inside Nigeria National Assembly by ocelot2006(m): 12:10pm On Nov 23, 2014
OrlandoOwoh:
If you don't know what to say, shut your mouth. The honourable who assaulted David Mark is a member of PDP from Niger State.
Abeg shut the Bleep up? Idiota. Who were those shaking the entry, and climbing it like angry monkeys while their supporters kept shouting "APC!!"? That's right a$$ wipe, APC lawmakers. Now shut your piehole and run back to your mommy.
Politics › Re: Police release NEW VIDEO: Extraordinary Scenes Inside Nigeria National Assembly by ocelot2006(m): 12:04pm On Nov 23, 2014
Adminisher:
Keeping their cool?. They illegally prevented our elected reps from doing their jobs and you say they kept their cool.
Did it occur to you their mission was illegal locking up the gates to our legislative chambers.
What makes the action of the Police illegal? By right, Tambuwal shouldn't preside as speaker any more thanks to his defection to the minority. Honestly, if not for his immunity clause, he and his goons ought to have been arrested.
Politics › Re: Political Associate Of Chadian President Arrested With Missiles Mean for boko ha by ocelot2006(m): 11:55am On Nov 23, 2014
Qyubee:
This part of the report is not true.
Mr Sherrif was on a private visit to Chad when President Jonathan arrived Chad.
What other part of the report is disinformation,lies, propaganda and statistiics?
And if I may ask, y has modu sherrif not been interrogated as to what he was doing in chad, let's not forget, d same man was mentioned as being a sponsor of bht.
Same man was with a convoy of army and nobile police officers on entry into born a few day back, while d sitting governor had to resort to using civilian JTF as security.
Mr Jona has too many questions to answer jare.
The part of the sitting Borno governor using civilian JF as security is nothing but hogwash and pure BS. I say that cos I have personally seen his security detail. Other governors use DSS Close protection teams and Police Special Protection Unit (SPU Blue Berets) officers. The current Borno state governor uses heavily armed DSS Close protection teams and Police Anti-Terror Service (ATS red berets) operators.
Travel › Re: Pandemonium At Lagos Airport As Customs, Agents Clash by ocelot2006(m): 11:42am On Nov 23, 2014
ignis:
Only in Nigeria.
Our Uniform men, fighting one another since 1914.
Even our so called lawmakers have followed suit.

What else do you want me to say?
Uniformed men fighting one another? Where did you read that in the post? You do know that agents are civilians, not paramilitary like the NCS, right?
Politics › Re: Police release NEW VIDEO: Extraordinary Scenes Inside Nigeria National Assembly by ocelot2006(m): 11:55pm On Nov 22, 2014
I must say that the PDP members handled themselves very well and maturely. As for the APC lawmakers......heh...bunch of thugs. And can you image the last lawmaker asking what the Senate president is doing in their chamber? Is there a law against that? And "THIER" chamber?! Last time I checked, they were the MINORITY.
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ocelot2006(m): 2:25pm On Nov 19, 2014
celeron40:
Very true..from what I've seen from BH's videos, their gameplan is pretty simple..
1. Overwhelm N.A positions with Zsu-23-2s and ZPU-mounted guntrucks.
2. Crazed insurgents in Dshks and other 14.5mm HMG flank N.A positions at ranges the N.A's heaviest MG (M2 Browning) 7.62x51mm shell can't answer to.
3. Foot soldiers storm positions using RPGs to supress N.A defences.
4. N.A military installations siezed, insurgents resupplied with captured ammo.
5. Insurgents fan out and establish ambush points for N.A counter-attacks.

The insurgents have something the N.A doesn't have..FIREPOWER and MOBILITY..AMISOM forces are having a field day in Somalia most likely because they don't face the amount of firepower the Nigerian Insurgents possess..
The way foward for the N.A.
1. Induct 500-800 Zsu-23-2 mounted guntrucks..to be spread across N.A battalions.
2. S.F teams introduced to designate targets for N.A artillery.
3. Total N.A retreat from territories that hold no strategic significance..for manpower to be injected in offensive operations.
4. Launch massive operation to retake territories with newly inducted technicals leading, Steyrs and IGIRIGIs providing infantry mobility,Toyotas for logistics support while M-2 mounted Otokar Cobras and VBLs outflanking insurgent positions..all with Artillery shells softening insurgent defences.

One by One, with each operation, captured territories will be liberated..the tactic of establishing FOBs across such a massive front is a recipe for ambushes..Since the NAF can't offer the necessary support, the N.A has to begin to demand more from its officers and men.
You're right on the money on isolated FOBs. Hence my for transport helicopters and additional attack helos + fixed wing multi role combat aircrafts that can carry a decent payload and can loiter on target for longer periods.
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ocelot2006(m): 10:46am On Nov 19, 2014
jteku:
your wrong, its not a nigerian T72b, it should be angolan.
ok prove it sirjerry
Dunno oh...The vegetation at the background sure looks like what we have up north.
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ocelot2006(m): 10:44am On Nov 19, 2014
celeron40:
Its not possible to fully replace the hilux vehicles with the Igirigi..but its a good place to start..its more economical than the needless "Bigfoot" MRAPS...but it still doesn't solve the MAJOR problem that the N.A is facing in the N.E..which is insurgent AAA mounted technicals..its high time we begin to build a cheap IFV; small, highly mobile and fitted with a 30mm cannon..exclusively for combat.
Excellent point on the AAA mounted technicals. But won't the insurgents still have an edge in terms of mobility, cos IFvs tend to be heavier compared to these technicals?
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ocelot2006(m): 10:22pm On Nov 18, 2014
agaugust:
We need to use it to replace Otokar Cobra. We need many variants, as many variants as Otokar Cobra has.

All Nigerian military, para-military, police, and intelligence/security services need Igirigi with armament and variant according to their level of threat and role.

Maybe in the next 5 years, FG should pump money into Igirigi, the market demand at home is large. my estimates

NA....10,000 units
NAF....500 units
NN.....500 units
NPF.....10,000 units
NSCDC....1,000 units
DSS/SSS....500 units
Immigration.....500 units
Customs.....500 units

Export market in Africa is also large, West Africa, Central Africa, it is cheap and affordable, will beat expensive rivals like $250,000 Cobra.

My guess, wild guess is Igirigi cost maybe about $100,000 per unit.

Prices usually does not include armament, you mount whatever you want as long as vehicle can carry and fire the weapon within vehicle's technical capacity limits
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I don't think replacing the Otokar Cobra is a good. I suggest it's still retained and used as standard troop transport along with the Igirigi. Or, like the VBL, used as a recce vehicle for armoured units. But we need to get those soft skinned Hilux and Rangers off the front lines.
Politics › Re: Akwa Ibom House Of Assembly.world Class Infrastructure. PIC.. by ocelot2006(m): 10:05pm On Nov 18, 2014
Na wa oh. See beef.
Politics › Re: Why We Refused To Sell Cobra Helicopters To Nigeria - US by ocelot2006(m): 12:52pm On Nov 17, 2014
iamnen:
Critisizing America for not selling does not bring back missing girls. It does not eradicate BH. Nigeria has the potential to make weapons. We have the money to make weapons. We have the population to be as great as any other nation. It may take some time but it can be done. WILL WE EVER BE GREAT? Thats the issue. This is more than just buying weapons.
We dont have the mentality of Great people. Americans learn from their mistakes. Nigerians dont!
Nigeria had the opportunity to buy weapons/develop our military after 1) opc 2) bakassi boys 3) niger delta militants 4) massob and countless other uprisings all over the country.....BUT NO! Whenevr theres an uprising, we run to look for "assistance" from America. Our borders are still very porous. I live in Port harcourt and majority of the maiguards here are from Niger Republic. How come? Most cant speak English. How did they get in. We don't care. Who showed illiterate Nigerdelta boys where to buy weapons that they used to almost cripple Nigeria. And then we looked for the easy way out - paying them millions of dollars monthly for peace to reign. Tompolo (a former militant) got the contract to supply the Nigerian Navy with Gun boats. Ateke is protecting oil pipelines and you want Foreign govts to take us serious? NO! Nobody takes us serious. Nigerians are rotting away in prisons all over the world. Nobody cares. BH drive around with Nigerian army cars, use nigerian army weapons, take over army barracks.....and we want more weapons? If we dont get we blame politics/religion/God/America/ hausa/ yoruba/ijaw/ Jonathan/Obasanjo/APC for our problems.
We import toothpick. 70% of poultry. 2nd hand pants and bra. A country of 170 million people. The Giant of Africa. America is not our problem. They have refused to sell. Period. Crying wont change it. Whether they sponsor boko haram. Whether apc sponsors boko haram. Something must cause a problem. It is left for you to avoid or solve it. Whether it is because of Gay rights, Why is america not sponsoring terrorists in Dubai(UAE) where Nigerians are rushing to. Guess what Gays are not allowed there. Infact public kissing (between man and wife) is a crime . Thats more discriminatory than in homosexuality. So why is America not sponsoring terrorists there. Excuses. Thats all Nigerians know.
The Nigerian Universities Commision guidelines for engineering students is that in your 200 level you learn computer programming. You know what they teach? FORTRAN 77. A computer program that the world has forgotten about. Graduates dont know anything. Thats the problem. Politicians share rice and make the same promises every 4yrs. In my state during the last election, they shared 50 naira satchet salt to buy votes and village women were fighting for the salt. Its Goodluck Jonathan I pity. Theae problems arent his making. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be any different from past leaders. Nobody has been tried for crime rather they're pardoned. A lot of old criminals are all becoming relevant again in his govt. Nobody is talking of graduates that died looking for immigration job. Nobody is talking of alleged missing 20 billion dollars from nnpc. With that money all the manufacturers of weapons in the world will come and form line in Abuja begging us to allow them open shop in Nigeria. That money will buy thousands of drones that will flood North East like "chekeleke" birds. We have spent about 4 billion dollars fighting insurgency. .. Where has the money gone? Nobody is asking
Helicopters are not our problem. APC + PDP they know our problem. It is not America.
I couldn't agree more on your post. So on point. Indeed corruption has eaten deep into the fabric of this nation, and the military is not exempted. For years, I personally have been for the need to provide our troops transport helicopters and multi role fighters that will be used to support units isolated in the conflict zone. But it seems the service chiefs are more interested in buying VIP jets instead of these much needed platforms. There's need to change a lot, and stop playing the blame game. If America fails to deliver, all well and good. Russia is there. So is Belarus, China, France, Germany, etc.

But the Americans shouldn't use our "inability" to maintain the Cobra as an excuse. That is my only grouse with them.
Health › Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by ocelot2006(m): 11:13am On Nov 17, 2014
MrsAwesome:
These has been trashed a long time ago on this forum.
IF YOU DONT KNOW THE PAST, THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO YOU.
I am a polyvalent graduate of life who learnt a bit of this and that in the course of my study before choosing nursing science as a specialty. With history, you have a broad mind not shallow mind that makes educated folks hid their faces in shame.
Whatever gets you into nursing school lecture hall is nothing but inferiority complex, can't believe someone with a proposed life will stoop to that ridiculous cheap level or were you sent there to spy...cos there is nothing your parent regulating body can't do.
A Doctor having inferiority complex 'cos of a nurse? Dude, really?
Celebrities › Re: Is Frank Edwards Dating Sharon Oyakhilome? by ocelot2006(m): 11:07am On Nov 17, 2014
Seun, I gotta ask: how is that your business if they're dating? Jeez..
Celebrities › Re: Pictures Of Teebillz Posing As R.Kelly by ocelot2006(m): 11:05am On Nov 17, 2014
Aaaaand a and this made the front page......'must be a slow day at Nairaland.
Politics › Re: Why We Refused To Sell Cobra Helicopters To Nigeria - US by ocelot2006(m): 11:02am On Nov 17, 2014
DaBullIT:
http://www.janes.com/article/38528/nigerian-air-force-says-uavs-are-not-operational

The Gulma unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) that the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is developing is not operational as yet, NAF spokesman Air Commodore Yusuf Anas said in a 27 May statement.

He explained that the Gulma unveiled in a ceremony attended by President Goodluck Jonathan on 17 December was a prototype, and that full-scale production is still in progress. "The Nigerian Air Force unmanned aerial vehicle Gulma is yet to be deployed for operational uses. Meanwhile, training of the NAF UAV operators is currently ongoing," he said.


2. http://www.suasnews.com/2014/05/29455/nigeria-air-force-gulma-yet-to-be-deployed-for-operations/

Abuja — Nigerian Air Force on Tuesday said its Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), nick-named “GULMA” was yet to be deployed for operations.

This is contained in a statement signed by Air Force Director of Public Relations and Information, Air Commodore Yusuf Anas, in Abuja.

The statement said that training of the UAV’s operators was currently ongoing.

It noted that what was unveiled by President Goodluck Jonathan, on Dec. 17, 2013 at Air Force Base, Kaduna, was a prototype, adding that its full scale production is in the making.

The statement was reacting to a report which said the opportunity to locate the kidnapped girls was blown because the drone was not used.

The report stated that last December, Nigeria unveiled a locally made drone at an Air Force base in Kaduna, although it had not flown since.

The story alluded to the fact that the Nigerian Air Force unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) which could have been used by government to locate the girls had not flown.

The statement noted that there was need, therefore, to put the record straight as it concerned the service’s UAV.

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Okay pikin, lemme school you a bit more.

Remember the Aerostar UAVS bought during the Niger Delta insurgency? Of course you don't. Anyway, those were isreali made.

Fast Forward to the current insurgency up north, you do know about the Nigerian made AMEBO 1 and 2 series UAVs? Still no?......Hmmm, darn coconut head of yours...

At the exit/handover of the previous Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Lt. General Ihejirika (rtd), to his current successor, he mentioned that the Nigeria Army itself had acquired UAVs.

Finally, while the report on the new GULMA UAV is correct on the fact that it's still being tested (and rightfully so), it also backs my claim that it isn't only Nigerian made, but proves that we have the expertise. Thanks for the backup, douche cheesy


So......a$$ wipe (or should I say coconut - Head pikin), if you're so terrible in simple Current Affairs, only God knows how you faired in other subjects. My advice: spend less time watching African Magic and more time on your book. Btw, you need to hand over that WAEC certificate from whatever magic centre you got it, and apply for your 5th exam resit. Is that clear? Say "yes uncle" cheesy
Politics › Re: Why We Refused To Sell Cobra Helicopters To Nigeria - US by ocelot2006(m): 8:39am On Nov 17, 2014
Ichiato:
Hmmm, so brain is not matured enough to distinguish between a fighter plan that crashed due to technical failure and one that was shutdown by weapons. Not even matured enough to distinguish the frequency with which this crashes happen. Have you ever heard that BH shot down any plane? Nawa for you oh
Did you actually go through my quoted, or is there a faulty connection between your eyes and your brain?

First of all, it so obvious that you don't know the difference between a FIGHTER PLANE (fixed wing, not "plan) and a HELICOPTER (rotary).

2nd, apparently you jumped the part were I mentioned the OV-22 OSPREY case.

3rd, we don't know if the helicopter crash was as a result of enemy fire, technical issues or pilot. Or do you work at NAF or AIB?

Finally, even with our not - too - stellar safety record, recording a 2nd crash in a short period is even odd for us Nigeria.

Now feel free to give your nearby power transformer a lap dance, a $$ wipe.
Politics › Re: Why We Refused To Sell Cobra Helicopters To Nigeria - US by ocelot2006(m): 8:29am On Nov 17, 2014
DaBullIT:
Drone. Nigerian army ? Buh hahaha , he he he
Keep laughing. Apparently, you don't have a single clue about what's happening in your country. It's no wonder you failed your job interview.

'heard of the AMEBO 1 & 2 series drones, or the newer GULMA UAVs? Of course you havent. Those are NIGERIAN MADE drones. Now you've learnt something today. Say "thank you, uncle".
Sports › Re: Congolese Fans Attack Super Eagles by ocelot2006(m): 8:23am On Nov 17, 2014
Nigeria Ebola? Says a country were the Ebola disease was named. Btw, there's a new Ebola strain outbreak there.
Politics › Re: Why We Refused To Sell Cobra Helicopters To Nigeria - US by ocelot2006(m): 8:53pm On Nov 15, 2014
InvertedHammer:
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Then use it!!!

I hate the beggar attitude of Nigeria leaders.

Remind me again what Nigeria used against Ebola.
That's how u do it. Use what u have to solve problems, and the rest of the world will come calling.

It is not as if BH is using chemical and nuclear weapons. Ng. Army does not want to fight. If you like give them B2 bombers.

Like I will want sophisticated machines in the hands of those that think in this 2014 that ordinary electricity is Alien technology
Who the hell is begging for freebies from the Americans?! Us? Read the darn story again abeg. The last time the Americans gave us platforms for free, they were WW2 Coast Guard junk cutters and the recent bare Hamilton Class Ship + a bunch of Toyota Land cruiser pickups and trucks. That is it. In this case, we asked that they SELL old Cobra Attack Helos (key word *SELL*) to us.

That said, we shouldn't even be surprised about the actions of the Americans. It is typical of those two - faced clowns. The Ambassador shouldn't have even said anything in the first place. Besides, I'll still pick the Mil- 35 any day over the AH-6 Cobra, and we've got a host of other nations that'll be eager to sell their birds from the Chinese to the South Africans.

But the Americans should NOT insult us by claiming that we can't operate and maintain that platform.

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