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PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 10:20am On Feb 19, 2019
Abagworo:
We have manufacturing jobs but they pay poorly making it a left over for people unable to get federal government and oil company jobs. Traders are generally richer than highest paid employees of corporate organizations because Nigeria is yet to attain corporate trading which kills the profitable petty trading we do. In those American cities, few corporate organizations own everything and employ others to work for them whereas here in Nigeria everything is still run at sole proprietorship level.
Exactly right on all your points. People engage in petty trading because there's no alternative or the alternative is not enough to sustain ones livelihood. The first step in trying to organize the chaotic, fractious, disorganized nigerian environment is through LEGISLATION.

It has to be gradual though, because it will lead to mass unemployment. But, there's two we can start tomorrow. Let the igbo states house of assemblies pass a law mandating every child from the age of 5 to 18 to be enrolled in school. Not only making it mandatory, but also making it illegal which will criminalize it with prison sentences for parents who refuse to abide by the law. After the legislation is assented by the governor, they should then pass another law banning hawking by people of school age group, 5 to 18 years.

Hawking is something that should be totally and completely banned, but they should start with school age children before extending it to everyone else.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 9:25am On Feb 19, 2019
nnamdijonathan:
Baba first ask yourself these questions
Which job do you think the average Nigerian can be doing in an office in a skyscraper in the country's current situation?
With our population per city in Nigeria, how do you think buying and selling won't continue to be a major source of employment for Nigerians?
Do you know how much most traders generate from these buying and selling businesses?
I just want to ask this question, is working in a hotel a white collar job?
Give few examples of these white collar jobs you speak of
Yes, under the current nigerian situation, everybody will still be engaged in buying and selling for a very long time until DRASTIC changes are made. Working in banks and hotels is the only white collar jobs available in nigeria. But, in western countries, bank and hotel jobs are not known as white collar jobs. Like I said in my earlier post, if I'm retired today, my next assignment will be studying the kinds of white collar jobs they have in these office towers. It really won't be that hard, because when you enter the front lobby of these office towers, the names of all the businesses in the building are displayed on a directory board. It used to be so easy to go into the buildings and just take the elevator to wherever you want to go. But because of the security and terrorism situation, almost all the downtown office towers have security guards. So, these days, when you go inside and want to go upstairs, the security guards will require you to sign in your name and deposit an ID card. Sometimes, they might even have to call the company you're visiting to get permission to let you up.

The chinese transformed their economies by understanding how western economies operate starting from the early eighties. Back then, most chinese were also engaged in agriculture and in buying and selling. There was absolutely no big chinese cities with major skyscrapers except their capital Peking. Everything changed for the chinese when american companies, in their quest for cheap labour and to have access to a billion population market started moving their manufacturing factories to china. For more than a decade, china was the manufacturing hub for the world. American, and european companies flooded there for all their manufacturing needs. By hook or by crook, china was able to get access to sensitive american and european technology which they have since harnessed for their own good. It was after the manufacturing boom in china that chinese cities filled with skyscrapers started springing up overnight. Nowadays, china have the best of everything that you have in western countries. They have big technology and internet companies. They have light and heavy duty manufacturing. And yes, they now also have office jobs with hundreds of skyscrapers dotting the skyline of their spanking new cities.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 11:57am On Feb 18, 2019
Yampotatocarrot:
What kind of works are they exactly doing in these buildings? And considering the number of offices that'll be in one multistorey building, and multiply with all the multistorey buildings in the town, I believe there'll still be a lot of offices doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING, which in effect won't be different from the 10,000 shops selling the same thing in a typical Nigerian town.
I forgot to answer your main question, which is the types of jobs performed in these downtown office towers. Between you, me and God, I've thought about it every day for the last 20 years or more. Not only have I not thought about that, I've thought about how western countries came to be more advanced than everybody else. So, every single day I go out, I pay very very close attention on how they did things. How they built their houses, skyscrapers, roads, bridges, cities.

The funny thing is, they can go anywhere in the world and duplicate their civilization. It's not a surprise that all their major cities look alike. You can see a picture of Sidney, Berlin Ontario or Houston and they all look alike. They can even go to Mars and duplicate the same things they have on earth. The one thing I noticed in everything they did is that they never cut corners. WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING, THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY ALWAYS. Another thread that runs through all their civilization is that the make laws and vigorously enforce them ALWAYS. They built things to last forever. Their 300 years old institutions still look like they were built yesterday because they used the right materials from day one.

If I'm retired today, the first thing I will do is to understudy how their civilization came to be, how they have maintained it for generations, so much so that they've left everybody else behind.

The short answer to your question is for africans to follow the chinese example. The Chinese have singlehandedly re-created what is obtainable in the west, by simply copying from them. The Japanese and the Koreans also copied before the chinese. So, it's doable.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo:
Yampotatocarrot:
What kind of works are they exactly doing in these buildings? And considering the number of offices that'll be in one multistorey building, and multiply with all the multistorey buildings in the town, I believe there'll still be a lot of offices doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING, which in effect won't be different from the 10,000 shops selling the same thing in a typical Nigerian town.
It will be a miracle if millions of jobs performed in these multi story office buildings are doing exactly the same things because like I said in my earlier post, their overhead cost is either in several hundred thousands or in the millions. The average salary for people who work in these offices can be in the neighborhood of $30,000 a year. Top managers probably make about $60,000 or more. Each office can be employing 20 people. Their monthly rent could be $20,000. Their other overhead cost like electric bills, internet and phone will be higher. In developed countries, the windows of their multi story buildings does not open. They stay shut all year round. As a result, their electric bill is high because their air conditioning units run 24 hours during the summer and the heater run 24 hours during the winter. They are never shut off even when they go home. So, you do the math. Pretty much, they couldn't possibly remain in business if they are all doing the same things.

Like I was saying, these businesses wouldn't last more than two weeks if they are not generating the kind of money that allows them to cover their expenses which runs in the millions yearly.

This is why I keep saying that we are 200 to 300 years behind them. These countries are so developed is unbelievable. While we're still doing buying and selling, they have developed the kinds of economies whose job creation is on autopilot. Their city suburbs are filled with thousands of business parks that employ millions more. The budgets of their states which have comparable population as nigeria is not less than 20 billion dollars. Some big states like California have a budget of 200 billion dollars. In comparison, nigeria with a population of 200 million people have a budget of 25 billion dollars. Imo state budget in comparison is less than 300 million dollars and they don't even realize the whole 300 million dollars.

Their civilization is something to behold. Am sure you've read where I said that they do 100% landscaping, for a country the size of west africa. 100% landscaping is the given of assignment to every single inch of their land
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo:
Abagworo:
Buying and selling or correctly commerce is not the only job available in Igboland. Unemployment is a general problem across Nigeria and the reason is our belief in formal education for pride instead of practical education for skills development. However things are shaping up as more and more people are keying into self skills development instead of the usual job hunting of the past.
Excuse my language, but skill development or rather skill acquisition is a useless nigerian slogan that won't solve nigeria's unemployment problem. Skill development have only led to redundancy of several hundred people doing the same thing in every street corner in nigeria. I gave an example of food stores which Americans call grocery stores. Now, let me give you another example about another statistics in a big american city. The washington DC metropolitan area with a population of over 2 million people probably have about 10 furniture stores. There's probably about 20 stores selling spare parts for the entire city and it's suburbs. But, those 10 furniture companies and 20 spare parts stores will end up employing more than 1000 people.

Now, do me a favour and google the SKYLINE of major american or european cities like chicago, houston, los angeles, san diego, baltimore, berlin, amsterdam etc etc. When you do, go to images. What you'll see when you do that is pictures of hundreds of MULTI STOREY, buildings. Cities like chicago, new york and sao paolo in brazil have more than 1,000 multi story buildings each. People don't live in these buildings even though a tiny percentage of them could be condos. Hundreds of millions of people work in offices located on those skyscrapers doing what we call office work (white collar jobs). There's even multi story office buildings even minor western cities. When an american new graduate is looking for work, he's most likely to be hired by a company occupying one of those office multi story buildings. In nigeria, nobody looks for work because there are no jobs, other than bank jobs. Looking for jobs in nigeria automatically means looking for a lock up shop to start selling something.

These jobs (white collar jobs) are NON EXISTENT in nigeria. To solve the problem of 10,000 people selling car parts, 10,000 people selling shoes, 10,000 people selling clothes, 100,000 people selling provision store in every nigerian city, you must provide them with white collar jobs where they will go to work on the 10th, 12th, or 15th floor multi story buildings. When they walk into their offices or cubicles on the 14th or 15th floor, THEY ARE ALSO ENGAGED IN BUYING AND SELLING, BUT, BUYING AND SELLING OF IDEAS AND OTHER PRODUCTS AND NOT JUST PHYSICAL GOODS.

For nigeria to solve their unemployment problem, they must be able to create manufacturing and white collar jobs.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 9:36pm On Feb 17, 2019
Yampotatocarrot:
...right now, the only jobs available in Igboland is buying and selling. This is so true. However, I believe every area should be able to carve a niche for themselves. If that is the niche they wanna carve for themselves, the next thing is to make it orderly, as you've rightly stated.

About the secondary schools being compulsory boarding, I don't believe government will be able to fully handle that. I served in a government boarding school in the North (Lafia to be precise), and I know how things are done with a lackadaisical attitude there.

I've always wondered how there is no form of road hawking in some of these countries, now I know better.
Boarding schools was part of our lives when I was growing up. At that time, at least 85% of the students went to boarding school. It fantastically and spectacularly worked for our generation as far as I'm concerned. The reason why I recommend it is because it's an avenue to get teenagers out of the street and out of trouble. Their sole focus being their education will allow them to prosper with the regimented lifestyle of dormatories. It also relieves poor families the burden of feeding their teenage children.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 11:30am On Feb 17, 2019
Yampotatocarrot:
I understand your argument Sir, but will you mind shedding more light on your last statement, please

*To capture people in a tax dragnet, you must FORMALIZE THE INFORMAL SECTOR*.... N how can it be done?
From my vantage point of having seen great cities, it might look like a daunting task, and a mission impossible to do anything about the chaotic nigerian environment, but it's doable. I exactly, also know what nigeria did wrong, and how they can right it. People don't like okorocha for one thing or the other, but his urban renewal projects are very commendable and a good example of how somebody can come in and totally change the dynamics of something that everyone thought was the norm. It's also the same reason why I don't mind, if his son in law wins the governorship election. Okorocha was the only SE governor that came in and started building stuff. Eventhough most of it is substandard, but at least, he had the right idea. Another SE governor, dave umahi, came in and started building stuff like okorocha, which is good.

Not to distract from your pointed question, but I'm trying to show how it's possible to revolutionize an idea, even when it looks like all hope is lost.

Now to the point about harmonizing the tax dragnet to capture eligible tax payers. You have to go back to the drawing board, with the governor and the legislature working hand in hand. The role of the governor here, is to select a few wealthy igbos with very high disposable income. I'm talking about those igbo billionaires whose businesses have very high turnover. Each igbo state have at least 5 such people. Let them sign a contract with the state government to build market infrastructure all over the state, not just in the cities but the villages. They should build to sell, lease or rent. They will build shopping promenades/shopping plazas, shopping malls, and mini marts. They should build business parks in the outskirts of cities. They should also build GIANT shopping enclosures as eke, orie, afor, and nkwo markets, in the villages and semi urban centers. Once this plan is in place, the house of assembly should pass a law banning hawking, street trading, highway trading, trading on road shoulders and median strips, attachment trading, and trading on residential areas. These should be done gradually, but once they start, there should be no let up until the the job is done. The house of assembly should also ban individuals from erecting any kind of business structures whatsoever without approval from the government. The idea here, is to make such structures from individuals impossible to erect.

Everybody must be forced to migrate to these very well organized platforms under threat of confiscation or jail time for those who fail to comply. This might cause major disruption, but it could be temporary. But it's a first step. The government should put other policies in place to help cushion the disruption. At the end of the exercise, the price of everything will most definitely go up. The reason why everything is cheap in nigeria is because business people don't have any overhead cost. They don't pay anybody. They hardly don't pay any taxes or rent since most of them are operating on the street. They don't pay phone or light bills. So they can afford to charge less and still remain in business forever.

I have written about such ameliorating things to cushion the effects on this forum but I can give you two things. Imo state have already started free education which is great. The only one I don't like is the university free education, because it will bankrupt the state. They should instead use the money for the university free education for elementary and secondary school feeding program for all students. They should make boarding schools compulsory for all secondary school students. They should also regulate how old one have to be to enter the workforce. At least, 50% of the people I see hawking on the street are children. The government should make it illegal to work until a certain age. And even when they allow them to work, the number of hours should be limited. This puts a structure on the number of people entering the workforce on a yearly basis, which is a very good statistics for any government to have.

Once you eliminate the 3,4, and 5 tier trading system in nigeria, it becomes easy to capture all your eligible tax payers. Like I said, it's going to be hard to accomplish since we've been operating under this disorganized system for more than 50 years now.

On a final note, for igbos in particular and nigerians in general to prosper, they must create jobs in manufacturing and white collar jobs, especially white collar jobs, which is totally and completely non existent. We will never solve the unemployment problem until jobs in those two categories are created. White collar jobs are those kinds of work that is done in a cubicle on the 14th, and 17th floors of skyscrapers. You know, the kind where you enter your confine, be it a room or cubicle, turn on your computer and start working. Right now, the only jobs available in igboland is buying and selling. You go to an area and you have 500 people selling car parts. You go to any nigerian city and you have 100,000 stores selling the same thing (provision store), in every street. In western countries, you have grocery stores the size of shopright. You might have about 10 shoprights in a big western city, and everybody will go there to shop. One shop is capable of employing 100 or more people in two daily shifts. This is why I keep telling people here that we're are 200 to 300 years behind western countries in all aspects.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 11:27pm On Feb 11, 2019
Amah70:
due to the half education we obtain in Nigeria, Owerri has fcucked other places in Imo state - left, right, Centre, front, side and back.
London would have become a city touching the sky by now, while Manchester, Birmingham, etc still remain villages, or even gone to extinction, if governments develop capital city first.
Nothing can change the system of state capital first in Imo state again. Crying for nothing. Bad education.
But, London is a sprawling humongous city of several million people. It has actually developed far and wide just like lagos. Same thing will also happen to abuja. The reason why such cities grow far and wide is because they are capital cities, the seat of government and most agencies of government.

Having said that, you guys just don't seem to get it. Those other UK cities you mentioned, Manchester and Birmingham was developed by themself. They were not developed by the UK government.

Imo state house of assembly should convene tomorrow and pass legislation requiring owerri, orlu and okigwe to source for their own revenues to develop themselves. In order to do this, they have to elect an executive mayor who shall call all the shots for the city.

Once this legislation is signed into law by the governor, okigwe, orlu and owerri should henceforth be responsible for building their own roads, drainage system, schools, hospitals and water and waste treatment plants. The cities should also be responsible for paying the salaries of teachers, refuse collectors and police officers.

Orlu is not a big city, but, it's capable of raising upwards of 2 billion naira a month in IGR if done right. Add that to the subventions from the state and federal government and that could easily top 3 to 4 billion naira a month.

Orlu or owerri can go places with 50 billion naira yearly budget.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 11:09pm On Feb 11, 2019
Amah70:
due to the half education we obtain in Nigeria, Owerri has fcucked other places in Imo state - left, right, Centre, front, side and back.
London would have become a city touching the sky by now, while Manchester, Birmingham, etc still remain villages, or even gone to extinction, if governments develop capital city first.
Nothing can change the system of state capital first in Imo state again. Crying for nothing. Bad education.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 9:59pm On Feb 11, 2019
kikake:
STATE CAPITAL to be accorded top priority?

Falsehood made in Owerri and sold to the masses, and even to the elites, including Rochas Okorocha, in Imo state.


.Google "many US State capitals are less developed than other cities in the same state," to get yourself better informed.
The capitals of all US cities and all the other cities in the US and cities of other countries of the world was developed by the city mayors and not the state governors. More than 95% of what you see when you enter an American city was built by the city itself and not the state government.

The city mayors collected whatever revenues they deemed fit and used it to build city roads, city hospitals, city schools and other city infrastructures. They also used it to pay city police officers, city workers, city teachers and city refuse collectors.

Governors of american states do not pay for this things I listed for their cities. The cities bear the burden by themselves. Cities do get subventions from their state governments, but mostly in the form of grants which is used to supplement what the cities are doing.

There's no law in nigeria mandating nigerian governors to develop this or that city, so they have the discretion to do whatever they want. The only way, for you to rectify that, is to vote against whoever is not performing to your expectations. Crying about it daily on nairaland will never help you.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 12:34pm On Feb 09, 2019
SoNature:
Uncle, with regard to this statement, I beg to differ. Nigerians pay income taxes. Yes, I know for certain because I've worked in well-established organizations. The challenge we have with tax collection include non-remittance, tax evasion, tax avoidance, etc. But that doesn't in anyway mean that nobody pays taxes in Nigeria. Yes, I once managed a company where the staffers paid PAYE taxes, and we also paid corporate taxes. So, don't tell me that we don't pay taxes.

You may argue that we are not heavily taxed as obtained elsewhere in the world, and I will agree. Come to think of it, why would any government be heavily taxing her people where over 70% of the people (according to CNNMoney) live in abject poverty?

What's more? In advanced countries, governments tax differs from country to country. And a new government can come in and change the tax structure, just like the tax debate is on in the US now. Again, Nigerians pay taxes but taxes are not vigorously pursued in Nigeria because of oil.

It might interest you to know that FIRS is the second richest government parastatal in Nigeria after the ministry of petroleum. So, if Nigerians don't pay taxes where does the money come from?

Uncle, you can argue all you want, but when businesses are heavily taxed, they will move. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Finally, many state governments give companies tax holidays in Nigeria just so they move to their states and create jobs. And yes, those are the states they would move to.
Check the second paragraph of my post. I've lived both in nigeria and the US and I know very well that nigerians absolutely don't pay any taxes on those things I listed. They don't pay any taxes when they buy food, buy fuel, buy airtime, pay nepa electric bill, buy cars, buy furniture, or buy any of those things I listed on my second paragraph. You can go back and reread it.

As for PAYE tax and other taxes you listed? Well, the percentage of that to the general eligible nigerian tax payers is probably less than 1%. Millions and millions and millions of nigerians receive their salaries without any deductions for taxes. Millions and millions and millions of others are not captured in the tax net. It's impossible to capture millions and millions of hawkers, roadside and street traders, attachment traders and the likes. If you go back several pages of this thread and the enugu thread on nairaland, I highlighted exactly this nigerian 5 tier commercial activities of hawkers roadside and street traders, attachment traders and ndi oso ahia traders, and how it's possible for localities to collect taxes. I suggested that the state should collect property taxes and the cities to collect sales taxes.

Millions of nigerians earn their money on the street. When I went to the bank for my BVN, the person who took my passport picture was operating on the street. When I accompinied my nephew to get his marriage certificate, the person who took the picture of the ceremony was on the street. There are 100,000 people selling exactly the same things on every street corner of every nigerian city. 100,000 people selling spare parts. 100,000 people selling electrical parts, 100,000 people selling in mini supermarket. This is gross. To capture people in a tax dragnet, you must formalize the informal sector.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 9:48am On Feb 09, 2019
SoNature:
@ the emboldened, this is certainly not the best.
Lagos-based businessmen are groaning because of high taxes. Funnily enough, LASG doesn't care as they are even taking the land use tax seriously. Sadly, businesses are taxed for everything in Lagos, including their sign posts, which LASAA measures and taxes annually.

The truth is, all this happens because it is Lagos, the commercial capital of Nigeria. But I think it's a way of discouraging small business owners from moving to Lagos because Lagos is already overcrowded.

If another state tries this nonsense, there will be a mass exodus of companies from that state. Overtaxation kills businesses.
There won't be a mass exodus of anything because nobody pays taxes in nigeria. If people paid taxes in nigeria, state and federal budgets will run in the hundreds of billions and trillions of naira. If the federal government taxed eligible nigerian tax payers a MEASLY 1000 naira a month, that alone can yield them more than 10 trillion naira for the nigerian government. If imo state taxed their eligible tax payers 1000 naira a month, that will be about 24 billion naira a year, just on a flat personal income tax. Add that to real estate, business and sales tax and they could VERY EASILY generate 60 billion naira a year.

Developed countries built their entire infrastructure on taxes. And boy, they taxed everything. There's a tax everytime money changes hands ie everytime you buy something. When you go to the market and buy food, you pay taxes. When you buy clothes, shoes, jewelry, you pay taxes. When you buy furniture, fan, microwave, fridge and other electrical products, you pay taxes. When you buy a car, you pay taxes. When you go to register the car, you pay taxes. When you buy airtime, you pay taxes. When you pay electric bill, you pay taxes. If you own a property (houses) you pay taxes. When you own rental property (apartment for rent) you pay taxes on each apartments. When you put money in savings account, you pay taxes on the interest yield. When you get paid (salary) you pay taxes. When you buy fuel, you pay taxes. When you buy car parts, you pay taxes. When your mechanic fix your car, you pay taxes. When you buy luxury items like private jets, helicopters or boats (yachts) you pay taxes. When you earn money on stock, you pay taxes. YOU PRACTICALLY PAY TAXES ON EVERYTHING.

Up until the 1960's, american millionaires paid upwards of 90% of their personal income in taxes. If you don't know what this means, when multi billionaires Rockefeller earned $100 million in personal income, the american government will take 90% of the $100 million, which is $90 million. It was president Kennedy that reduced it to less than 50% of personal income in the 1960's. Nowadays, the personal income tax (effective rate) of wealthy americans is between 20% to 30% of income. Personal income tax is of course lower for low income americans and even lower for low income americans with children but they still pay the several other taxes I just highlighted above.

As you can see, if you live in a developed country, everytime you breath, you pay taxes. Anywhere you have very large population, you can generate billions and billions, by taxing goods and services. Taxes is what civilized soceities used to develop their countries. They did not develop with mineral resources. Their governors didn't run to the federal government to collect money every month. Their mayors didn't wait for their governors to develop their cities and towns. Each locality was empowered to develop by themselves and the way they developed was by raising their own REVENUES.
There's enough commercial activities in orlu, okigwe and owerri to raise their own revenues, build their own infrastructure and pay for other city maintenances and services.

Any country that does not tax it's citizens will never ever develop.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 11:34am On Feb 03, 2019
Ganduri:
Bros stop playing primitive native sense here, its only a naive fool thats decieved by grammer. How many laws, policies or system changed before Owerri became this developed? All this your noise is just for the gullible. Fact is Owerri has gotten morethan its share of Infrastructure. Not because its generating morethan other zones, it its about generation of revenue, Oguta should be a small london by now cos it has contributed morethan any zone via oil royaltie
Unless Owerri zone start singing the equity in infrastrutural developmen for all, whatever agreement to get it to govern shall fail. I have never been one to support the grip of Orlu , but my last trip really made it clear on why they feel they feel cheated. Just go to neighbouring states and observe how sincere attempt is made to get developments spread across every zone. I wont be among those asking for the return of power to Owerri anytime soon. Until you guys stop this character.
You obviously don't know the meaning of primitive sense because the US, UK, Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Netherlands and practically all DEVELOPED COUNTRIES of the world are practicing what you call primitive sense.
Based on your responses to my comments, you are the one with village sense syndrome. A village sense syndrome is when somebody have never strayed from his familiar surroundings which compels him to think that the world only revolves in what is obtainable in his limited environment. So, I really don't blame you because some of you guys really don't know any better.

I only blame you because, I took you to the stream, and you want me to force you to drink. There are certain points that are prevalent in all my comments on this issue, but your myopic mind and jaundiced vision have obstructed you from noticing it.

Firstly, the governor of imo state have absolutely no resources to develop the nooks and crannies of the entire state including it's three major cities. If that was the case, the entire nigeria and all it's cities will look like paradise. But we all know that all nigerian cities look like shiitholes.
Secondly, it's a fact that the neglect of orlu and okigwe did not start with okorocha.
Thirdly, the only reason people are complaining about orlu and okigwe not developed is because owerri is being developed. If owerri wasn't being rapidly developed, you will never have been crying about orlu. Warri might be crying about lack of development, but not crying about too much development in asaba. Same for aba against umuahia, nnewi against awka, or onitsha against nnewi and vice versa for all.
Thirdly, the governor have chosen to concentrate the little resources he has in owerri for undisclosed reasons, and I've repeatedly advised those whinning about it to take okorocha to court or better still, vote against him and his son in law.
Fourthly and finally, like I have said a lot of times, you have to empower nigerian cities to develop themselves because that's the best practice in developed countries of the world, that have all the great cities of the world.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 10:39am On Feb 03, 2019
Yampotatocarrot:
I completely get your point Sir, but check out his argument. He is saying Orlu SHOULDN'T even look up to the SG for development AT ALL. It should develop itself from its IGR.

So, in essence, the problem isn't an Imo problem, but a GENERAL Nigerian problem of state governments relegating LGs to the background n taking their funds.
Thank you. It's really not complicated like rocket science.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 4:43pm On Feb 02, 2019
Yampotatocarrot:
Mayor.... I believe that to be Local Go erbment chairmen in our case.

I'll like to state that you don't expect it to work if funds meant for the LG are first given to SG's account then disbursed from there, which in most cases doesn't happen.

Also, IGR from LGs are first drawn to the state accounts then disbursed back to the LG from which they came.

So, in all honesty and looking at what I wrote above, ull see that the guy complaining about the neglect of Orlu is RIGHT.

U can't expect Orlu to develop if the funds it require are to be given to it by the SG which refused to do so, and even its IGR r all taken by the SG
This is why you have state and national assemblies. Their job is to pass legislation that will improve the lots of their citizens. So, if you go back and reread my comments, you'd noticed where I said that the cities and small towns should be empowered to be self sufficient in most things. I also said that the present configuration of governments we have in nigeria should be reconfigured (restructuring). Without restructuring, it's practically impossible for nigerian cities to amount to anything. Currently, they are all shiitholes. The governor of imo state cannot sit in owerri and manage other cities in the state. This is exactly what I'm saying. It will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever work.

Scroll back several pages of this forum to see what I've been saying. In developed countries, when localities reach certain population milestone, they are given city status. Mostly, city status empowers them to do certain things, like raise their own revenues, which is then used to pay their own police officers, pay for refuse disposal and other environmental issues, pay for teachers salaries, build their own roads and enforce cities codes and ordinances (regulations). They are also responsible for building codes, where certain areas of their cities are designated for certain types of development, unlike in nigeria where shacks are springing up all around residential areas.

In developed countries, some city mayors are as powerful as state governors. In the US, city mayors of san francisco, los angeles, new york, chicago, dallas, houston etc are larger than life characters. Some of their city budgets are in the billions of dollars. Washington DC with a population of less than 700,000 has a budget of more than 4 billion dollars.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 2:01pm On Feb 01, 2019
Abagworo:
Then last month he also bought these for the State numbering 100.
There's a car manufacturing company in nearby brother anambra state, but SE governors and the governor of anambra state are buying toyota cars.

For a tribe who claim to be smart, that is the DUMBEST and STUPIDEST thing to do in the world. Any tribe or group that indulges in not patronizing what is produced in their land is not smart at all.

Very very very very very very very SHAMEFUL.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 9:07pm On Jan 30, 2019
Xander85:
Good effort Arinze!

The landscaping of open spaces (if any) is just not up to scratch! sad
I tried to explain to them the importance of landscaping. It's part of the essays that I posted some months back. I can be sleeping and still be able to tell you which pictures are american/european pictures and which ones are african pictures. One of the most distinguishing factors is their landscaping.

Americans and Europeans do 100% landscaping. Their landscape is covered in GREEN. You will never see BROWN anywhere because of that. You can go the length and breath of the US and not see any exposed red earth. And, we are talking about a country the size of west africa. Their wall to wall landscaping is something to behold. As a matter of fact, it's one of the wonders of the world.

This is one of the things I don't like about okorocha's project. He has the right idea but the finishing touches on most of his projects is just plain terrible.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 12:31am On Jan 29, 2019
kikake:
INJUSTICE TO ONE GROUP IN A STATE IS INJUSTICE TO ALL IN THE STATE.

The unjust development pattern in Imo state is worse, compared with any of the other 35 states in Nigeria, but worsened by gov Okorocha.

Guess why irrespective of what grandiose developments of Okorocha in Owerri, he remains the most abused governor in Nigeria.


If the next governor goes the way of Okorocha, OWERRI, OWERRI, he risks getting booted out of office prematurely.


Okorocha lasted because in 2015, he literally selected members of IMHA.
This your narrative you keep repeating is false and I'll keep reminding you it's false every chance I get. You talked about unjust development in owerri which is worse than the the other 36 states of the federation. Like I said a million times, this is not true. There's no other city nigeria that have developed rapidly as owerri in the last seven years since okorocha came to power. Absolutely none.

Sure, a lot of people don't like okorocha for one reason or the other, but the man came in and started building stuff. I personally don't like him for other reasons too, like not awarding contracts to reputable contractors who will do really very good job. But I like the guy for his free education system (the first in the SE) and more importantly, his urban renewal projects in owerri. There MUST be urban renewal projects in nigeria because, from day one, we practically built everything the wrong way. The urban renewal projects in owerri is far from being perfect, but it's better than nothing. Let's at least give credit to okorocha for thinking about this novel idea.

In the US, the one single barometer that is used to judge the rebirth of cities are urban renewal projects. I witnessed it first hand in Washington DC. By the late eighties, the city was dead, after an exodus of white people to the rapidly developing suburbs that started in the 60's. When this happened, the black population of the city shot up to 75% The city started coming back to life when this trend of moving to the suburbs by it's wealthy white residents were reversed in the late 90%'s. Today, with the city population being about 50% white and 50% black, the urban renewal which has continued unabated is a wonder to behold. Vast dilapidated areas of the city, especially around capitol hill with it's new baseball and soccer stadium are now full of mixed used developments.

Anybody living in DC in the eighties and today can hardly believe the turnaround. DC is back to being a world class city once again.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 10:01pm On Jan 24, 2019
mandax:
Your words in bold above:
[all cities ... should have Mayors to raise tax from city residents to develop their cities;]

your words corroborated what I have been saying that it's most foolish for a state governor to collect allocations meant for the development of Imo state's 27 LGAs and uses the money to build what suits the governor's fancy in Owerri.

Any body who uses any excuse to defend such lopsided development in Imo state is either a cheat or a moroooon.
You don't seem to get the gist of what I'm saying. Like I told you before, if you don't like how okorocha is managing the state resources, simply make use of your PVC and vote against him. Coming to nairaland everyday and whining about it isn't doing you any good. Everyday, you are just crying about what owerri is getting and what orlu is not getting. Your crying is falling on deaf ears.

The gist of my last post though, is this; if federal and state governments of nigeria are not restructured, you will be crying about orlu for the next 1000 years regardless who the governor is. Okorocha was not the only governor to neglect orlu and he definitely won't be the last. Orlu should have an executive mayor. So also should owerri and okigwe. As a matter of fact, any town that reaches a certain population number like say, 50,000 people, should be made to have a mayor. Allowing the imo state governor to run the entire state government and also micromanage the development of it's three big cities is a big joke of monumental proportion.

There won't be any meaningful development in nigeria until power is devolved all the way to our village councils. There's no place or country in the world that runs the kind of system you have in nigeria. WHAT YOU HAVE IN NIGERIA IS AN ABOMINATION THAT WILL NEVER WORK.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 9:32pm On Jan 24, 2019
mandax:
Your words in bold above:
[all cities ... should have Mayors to raise tax from city residents to develop their cities;]

your words corroborated what I have been saying that it's most foolish for a state governor to collect allocations meant for the development of Imo state's 27 LGAs and uses the money to build what suits the governor's fancy in Owerri.

Any body who uses any excuse to defend such lopsided development in Imo state is either a cheat or a moroooon.
You don't seem to get the gist of what I'm saying. Like I told you before, if you don't like how okorocha is managing the state resources, simply make use of your PVC and vote against him. Coming to nairaland everyday and whining about it isn't doing you any good. Everyday, you are just crying about what owerri is getting and what orlu is not getting. Your crying is falling on deaf ears.

The gist of my last post though, is this; if federal and state governments of nigeria are not restructured, you will be crying about orlu for the next 1000 years regardless who the governor is. Okorocha was not the only governor to neglect orlu and he definitely won't be the last. There won't be any meaningful development in nigeria until power is devolved all the way to our village councils. There's no place or country in the world that runs the kind of system you have in nigeria. WHAT YOU HAVE IN NIGERIA IS AN ABOMINATION, AND IT WILL NEVER WORK.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 11:54pm On Jan 23, 2019
mandax:
You love Okorocha's injustice of using federal allocations meant for development of Orlu municipal to develop Owerri,


one example: build eight lane streets in Owerri, while humans live on dilapidated two lane streets in Orlu, threatened by rain floods owing to uncompleted urban drainage project of IMSG.

Whoever loves or propagates injustice and evil must have injustice and evil on his doorsteps.
Karma. It's already at work in Imo state.


When you open your own Nairaland, don't expect me to comment there.
I'm a christian, so, I really don't believe in karma. Karma is hindu bullshit which people use to comfort themselves because they have no other way of retaliating against injustice, perceived or otherwise.

I'm a news wonk, who enjoy perusing wherever possible which usually lands me in odd places like nairaland. Nigeria as a country with it's 100 cities is a total and complete messhole. As a matter of fact, the country is about 200 years behind western countries. I know exactly where nigeria is heading and I said so here on nairaland a few months back. A few weeks after I said that nigeria was heading the way of india, where 300 million people were shiiting on top of 1 billion people, the UN announced that nigeria has overtaken india as the country that have the highest percentage of poor people in the world.

The problems in nigeria is skin deep. It will take an earthquake to solve it's problems. Imo state and the rest of the nigerian states have the resources to make meaningful changes that can lead to rapid development, but, you really have to go back to square one to achieve the desired results. The reason is very simple; nigerians have done practically everything the wrong way for a very long time. I mean, practically everything. For starters, it's absolute nonsense to build cities in people's villages. It just doesn't work. Cities should be built on virgin land. If and when you decide to build cities in people's villages, the occupants of the villages should be relocated to a different area.

All cities in nigeria should have executive mayors with the power to tax it's residents from which to fund it's budget. This is the practice in developed countries. The mayor of Baltimore City in Maryland taxes it's residents. The taxes are used to build roads and bridges, build schools, pay for teachers salaries, pay for city police officers, fire department officers, environmental agency workers, and city workers. The state of Maryland doesn't perform these functions I just mentioned for the city , neither do the fund it. Of course, Baltimore do get minimal grants from the state government, which in my estimation cannot be more than 20% of state budget. This is exactly what should be happening in nigeria. This is the only way to develop the country. What is happening in nigeria and nigerian states with their centralized system of government is an abomination.

The country will never move forward with this system. Orlu city will never advance with this system. I tried to educate you folks on the way forward. Scroll back several pages of this thread to read my essays. I also posted on enugu thread on the same subjects.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 5:04pm On Jan 22, 2019
mandax:
Why wouldn't investors invest only in Owerri,, as Okorocha govt builds only in Owerri: builds a new Imo Specialist Hospital in Owerri after suffocating the state's university teaching hospital in Orlu, builds Owerri boulevards but scraps roads in Orlu, uses Imo state government funds to build Police and Prison Headquarters in Owerri, builds bye pass roads in Owerri after demolishing inner Owerri and built ten lanes, (wonder what Okorocha's many Owerri bye pass roads are meant for as he also made inner streets of Owerri become ten lanes).
In Orlu, Okorocha scrapped roads, flood from small rain carry buildings as Okorocha and Uche Nwosu refused to complete Orlu drainage gutter.

Nothing other than malice and deep seated grudge against Orlu influenced Okorocha choice to lavish the funds of IMSG on Owerri, and which makes for investors choice for Owerri.

Don't think you are sophisticated in thought and teaching of investors choice of Owerri.
Take your anger against okorocha by not voting for him and his son in law. Stop whining about okorocha on nairaland because he doesn't read comments here. The proof of that is your past whining have not done any good. If it hasn't done any good, why keep coming here day in, day out whinning about what owerri is getting and what orlu is not getting.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 12:54am On Jan 08, 2019
Ofuzo:
Well, you just made my point. There's no urban renewal projects going on in warri or asaba, so none of them is complaining that one is getting too much. It's also pathetically false that warri people are not complaining about the neglect of their city. As a matter of fact, the sultan of sokoto, three days ago, was complaining how the infrastructure in the city of warri has decayed and needs urgent attention. But warri is not shouting about asaba getting massive infrastructure for the simple reason that asaba is not getting massive infrastructure.

You also made my point with your anambra example. There's absolutely no urban renewal projects going on in onitsha, OR awka OR nnewi. As a result, onitsha, awka and nnewi is not complaining about anything because nothing is happening anywhere. I was shocked the other day, not quite one month ago when Peter Obi was saying that he built all the current roads in onitsha, which means that useless obiano have built anything in onitsha.

So, like I have been saying for the longest time, the reason why people are whining about nothing happening in okigwe or orlu IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING IN OWERRI. If okorocha had come in and absolutely did nothing in owerri like other states in the country, orlu or okigwe will never have been complaining about anything. So, your examples are all false.
Word.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 12:53am On Jan 08, 2019
Amah70:
Nearly any development infrastructure you find in Asaba is found in Warri.

If a gov neglects Warri, the oil producing zone to build only in Asaba, heaven may fall in Delta state.
Orlu zone has a most docile citizenry in Nigeria, that's why the zone which makes Imo an oil producing state is abandoned by state government.


In Anambra, no governor can contemplate what is happening in Imo state, without getting impeached. Of course, the senatorial zones of Anambra state get commensurate attention from every governor.

You can never justify using the resources meant for development of an entire state to build what suits you in just one space in the state - Owerri.

State capital my foot.
Well, you just made my point. There's no urban renewal projects going on in warri or asaba, so none of them is complaining that one is getting too much. It's also pathetically false that warri people are not complaining about the neglect of their city. As a matter of fact, the sultan of sokoto, three days ago, was complaining how the infrastructure in the city of warri has decayed and needs urgent attention. But warri is not shouting about asaba getting massive infrastructure for the simple reason that asaba is not getting massive infrastructure.

You also made my point with your anambra example. There's absolutely no urban renewal projects going on in onitsha, OR awka OR nnewi. As a result, onitsha, awka and nnewi is not complaining about anything because nothing is happening anywhere. I was shocked the other day, not quite one month ago when Peter Obi was saying that he built all the current roads in onitsha, which means that useless obiano have built anything in onitsha.

So, like I have been saying for the longest time, the reason why people are whining about nothing happening in okigwe or orlu IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING IN OWERRI. If okorocha had come in and absolutely did nothing in owerri like other states in the country, orlu or okigwe will never have been complaining about anything. So, your examples are all false.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 4:00am On Jan 07, 2019
Ofuzo:
This is the 100th time I'm saying this, but I'll keep repeating it. At least, there's some kind of urban renewal in owerri to make other towns like orlu or okigwe jealous. But nnewi or onitsha is not complaining because there's no urban renewal going on in awka. Warri people are not crying because there's no massive urban renewal going on in asaba. There's absolutely no urban renewal projects going on anywhere in nigeria. So, all these crying about orlu and okigwe not getting anything is because there's actually something happening in owerri which is not happening in other cities in nigeria.

So please, stop crying about orlu. After all, for over 40 years, absolutely nothing was going on in orlu or okigwe.
Word.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 3:59am On Jan 07, 2019
Amah70:
Ejiot. Go build industries in Owerri to generate funds to make Owerri a mega city, instead of blackmailing governors to use funds meant for development of 27 local govt areas to build only in Owerri


See how Owerri's excess parochialism put gov Okorocha and Imo state into political "ogba aghara" - turmoil.

Okorocha listened to most parochial people's advice to first build Owerri Mega City - it doesn't matter the decadence which goes on in the other LGAs in Orlu and Okigwe zones.
This is the 100th time I'm saying this, but I'll keep repeating it. At least, there's some kind of urban renewal in owerri to make other towns like orlu or okigwe jealous. But nnewi or onitsha is not complaining because there's no urban renewal going on in awka. Warri people are not crying because there's no massive urban renewal going on in asaba. There's absolutely no urban renewal projects going on anywhere in nigeria. So, all these crying about orlu and okigwe not getting anything is because there's actually something happening in owerri which is not happening in other cities in nigeria.

So please, stop crying about orlu. After all, for over 40 years, absolutely nothing was going on in orlu or okigwe.
PoliticsRe: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Ofuzo: 2:17am On Dec 28, 2018
Ofuzo:
Shut your mouth. Enugu and ebonyi state are better than anything you have in anambra state.
You and your dumb governor obiano have failed the people of anambra state.
Word.
PoliticsRe: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Ofuzo: 2:17am On Dec 28, 2018
Osagyefo98:
Is like something is wrong with you.

Don't bring omanbala into your madness, we have no such time.

Are we mates with ebonyi to be equating them with us...

when omanbala was on 276 degree of development, ebonyi were still hewers of wood and drawers of water....

Concentrate on your enugu and ebonyi and keep omanbala out of ur madness pls.

Also fold that your unity and put it in your pocket....inukwa unity...

What has anambra and enugu man has in common.....absolutely nothing...

What has anambra and ebonyi has in common......outrightly nothing.......where is this unity coming....

Gov obiano should step up his game one more.....to tell this guys that we are outrightly different people....

Kedu ihe di ifa....na mmadu aga anu mmiri togbo iko....on an unfounded unity.......

Enugu has their language, ebonyi has their own....so how did anambra join ur analysis.


Omanbala turu ilu si na onye mara be o wuru aru, ochiri ogodo ya.......uchichi si kama anwuru ga akwu ya na isi, ochcihi gbaa uzo yana dinta jiri gba osoo.

Atuoro omara omara...omara...Atuoro ofeke....ofeye isi na ofia....

Face your state oga.
Shut your mouth. Enugu and ebonyi state are better than anything you have in anambra state.
You and your dumb governor obiano have failed the people of anambra state.
PoliticsRe: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Ofuzo: 11:52pm On Nov 03, 2018
sonature1:
Bikonu, I think we need to start correcting some things
That's a ditch not a gutter
A gutter is that thing we normally construct with zinc sheet on the edge of our roof to channel rain water into our plastic tanks
I hope this helps grin

https://www.google.com/search?q=gutter&hl=en-US&tbm=isch&oq=gutter&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3..0l5.178780.183485.1.184555.10.5.3.2.2.0.596.1503.1j0j2j1j0j1.5.0....0...1c.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..4.24.3388.oOkcC3ADLLk

https://www.google.com/search?q=drainage+ditches&hl=en-US&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5yKKv2LfeAhWLKMAKHYkyAtkQ_AUIBigB
From the time I was a young man growing up until I left nigeria in the early eighties, they were always called gutter by everyone. The definition of what gutter means is irrelevant to the discussion, so, I'm going to ignore whatever your definition said and stick to the true, tried and tested local nigerian definition. I still call it gutter.
PoliticsRe: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Ofuzo: 1:16am On Oct 14, 2018
InyinyaAgbaOku:
Obollo Eke, Nsukka
Nice very well constructed road EXCEPT the little gutter on both sides. For a very well travelled and educated tribe, this is VERY VERY VERY shameful. You guys really ought to try a little harder. This is 2018 for crying out loud.
PoliticsRe: Few Pics From Imo State by Ofuzo: 2:36am On Sep 11, 2018
Those gutters you guys are covering up better empty out somewhere. If it doesn't, the whole place will definitely flood after each heavy rain.
PoliticsRe: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Ofuzo: 2:24am On Sep 11, 2018
knowledgeable:
Bro, you are dumboo..let me school you just a little bit. Igbos are among the most dynamic groups in Africa. In Nigeria, they are leading in importation, commerce & indigenous industries, car manufacturing, sports, entertainment, education etc. Igbos have the most viable diasporan population. FX inflows into Nigeria economy reached to 35 billion dollars anually in I believe 2015, and Igbos represent quite a significant % of that. UN studies broke down the various sectors of the economy where these inflows go. Education comes first followed by real estate.
You might be right about the igbos, but igbo cities are shitholes. For igbos to join the comity of advanced civilisations, their cities have to look like Houston, Amsterdam, Geneva, Melbourne. It's not just enough to be dynamic and enterprising.

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