₦airaland Forum

famology:
Hahahahahaha.....this edo south low turn out has finished pdp.

transportation is too costly In the city as compared to the two other zones. Again, Edo south is unevenly large, larger than the other two senatorial zones combined in terms of landmass. Someone might be resident in Oredo, his voting unit which is usually their village is now four times more costlier to go to.

Stkilda:
A significant percentage of Niger Delta is Igbo.

at most 15 percent, taking fourth place after Ibibio-Efik-Annang-Edoid people and the Ijaw

DryMouth:
No bro. Pushing you doesn't mean you are talented. Pushing is different from talent. We have talented musicians like Omahlay, Johnny drille, Tuface, Fireboy DML, Chike, Wande Coal, Sound Sultan(RIP).
Rema is a good musician but not a talented one

ogbeni nor whine yourself, you are using words to create explanations that will confuse yourself , you think don jazzy is foolish to spend 2billion naira on someone without seeing talent, it is strictly business, Rema is not related to him in anyway, there is no universal definition of talent as it pertains to music, it is relative like beauty, don jazzy certainly saw what you are not seeing in him, that is why he has prospered amidst boyspyce, crayon and others. Donjazzy has spent 20 good years in the industry, when he sense a talent from a mile, he can tell

Sucre6:
True, we have better talents than him, but don jazzy seem to really like him, he's pushing him really hard to stardom

Your definition of talent is relative, your definition of talent is not the optimal definition of talent, so with everyone, there is no likeness there, it is strictly business, donjazzy marketing him know what he saw in him, it is not sheer likeness. Having been in the entertainment industry business for close to 20 years, don jazzy can easily identify a talent when he sees one, him being drawn to him should not surprise you

DryMouth:
Rema is not a talented artiste. Don Jazzy just dey push the guy

Na only Rema dae the label, Donjazzy wey dae push am know say he get talent na he make am dae push am

yesloaded:
He never left Don Jay

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Coronavirus1:
The correct but nothing but the truth.
Why would the oba of Benin suspend the traditional chief when he himself said it with his own mouth that Oranmiyan was the first oba of benin and he is very correct by saying instead of him to be the 39 oba he gave himself the 40th oba by so doing he don't have the right to suspend this chief

He also said that Oduduwa is Ekaladerhan from Benin. They did not say that

lowkey0147:
Benin again..

Why is benin(kingdom) the most uncertain tribe in the country today; with no substantial evidence of where they came from and who there predecessors or descendants are.

Today, ask the benin people who there descendants are:

(The 1st day) They will claim their descendants are the yorubas.

(Day 2) They will say it's the Isokos

(Day 3) They will say it's the Igbos

(Day 4) They will say it's the Ikwerres

(Day 5) They will tell you is the Ijaws

(Day 6) They will say its the urhobos (after the migration) - Everytime they will tell you that is either they migrated to that place or that they conquered through war.. People with barely 4 local govt in Edo state, is it not funny?..

Presently, they're raising unequivocal issues and doubts among other confused tribe that are willing to dive into their confusion.

Benin people are really confused who they are, where they came from and who were their good or bad neighbours.

Today they claim fathering Yoruba, tomorrow Igalla or Ijaw, next Igbo, Ikwerre or Opobo or Urhobos. They seem to be hopeless in determining who they are.

(And they claimed they once had a kingdom, hmmm).

How can you be a father to communities that are one hundred percent more than you in population, with highly sophisticated different languages, culture, tradition and customs? See the sizes of Yoruba - Benin, Igbo - Benin, Igalla - Benin. It is that of a Squirrel to an Elephant, and you want a sage to believe that the squirrel is the father and founder of the Elephant. So where is the rationale, the similarity, the closeness, etc.

Their various concocted historical tales are like many herbs in a cauldron giving vane remedy to any sickness, such a tragedy.

Numerically, Benin is contemporary with Urhobo, Igala, Annang, etc.


In 1952, Benin was 203,000, In that year Igala was 295,000, that same Urhobo was about 267,000 thousand.


In that same year, Igala was only 30 percent numerically more than Benin, while Urhobo was just 20%


As for the fact that population does not grow at the same rate, BINI was adjudged to be one million in 1987 while two years later, in 1987, Igala was adjudged to be 800,000


Lastly, the Binis inhabit seven local government in Edo state and not four, they are


Oredo
Egor
Ikpoba okha
Uhuwonde
Orhiowmon
Ovia North East
Ovia south West

Material source: Atlas of Nigerian languages

OKAIGHELE:
Time is of the essence, you made a claim first that they are from Usen. I told you it is not brazen and obvious, i have not heard it anywhere, what you should have done is maybe to get a video or a page as you have said it is replete to support your claim if it is there, but you seem to be dancing round. It seems to beg the question if it is actually brazen and obvious as you claimed

Some other Yoruba settlers settled at Lagos street same with Hausas who are the majority but it is someone’s village. Maybe when i come from work or when i have the chance, i will post videos of his (victor Uwaifo)nephew talking about Lagos street as their ancestral home, i will not tell you anything i can’t provide proof for, as an educated person, you expect me not to ask for proof?In 1952, Benin city was 54 thousand, in 1941, it was less than 40,000 thousand, even though there are settlers from other Bini communities, Hausa communities, Yoruba communities, Lagos street is actually someone’s ancestral home sometime back, a Bini man’s village

i told you when I get back from work, I will send you the link where Peter Uwaifo, victor Uwaifo’s nephew talked about Lagos street being their village. Bear In mind that just seventy years ago, the population of Benin city at the time was just 2 percent of what it is today. The name of Lagos street then Was Ikwisi village or town. Hakeem Belo Osagie is about seventy years old. If their ancestral house built by his forefathers is at Ikwisi town or village which is known as Lagos street today. Then he is certainly from Lagos street (Ikwisi town)not Usen. The same place victor Uwaifo hails from. Benin city was never this urban. He spoke in Bini and English. You seem to be able to comprehend Edo already. I can’t say what I can’t defend, I will advise you to stop doing same

Aswani

Time stamp 3:00-4:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFxnM_7KPpY?si=ZLATCFrCHd4oNqar

aswani:
I no wan take argument start today abeg. One final one from me and you can wrap it up. We are already spinning away from the centre of the thread and I no wan chop ban.

You are the one that claims they are not from Usen, when they themselves claim Usen, feel free to prove they are not?

Secondly, that they have a family house in (Okemole) Lagos street doesn't mean they don't have an ancestral home somewhere else.

Like I said, a lot of people have homes in Benin and originally come from outlying villages which are all part of the Benin kingdom.

Apropos of nothing, Bayo Ade, may his gentle soul rest in perfect peace, is also from Lagos street.

I think they have a Facebook page actually which hasn't been updated in ages. Maybe you can see where they claim from there. Not that it matters to me as I know they are from Usen anyway.

Time is of the essence, you made a claim first that they are from Usen. I told you it is not brazen and obvious, i have not heard it anywhere, what you should have done is maybe to get a video or a page as you have said it is replete to support your claim if it is there, but you seem to be dancing round. It seems to beg the question if it is actually brazen and obvious as you claimed

Some other Yoruba settlers settled at Lagos street same with Hausas who are the majority but it is someone’s village. Maybe when i come from work or when i have the chance, i will post videos of his (victor Uwaifo)nephew talking about Lagos street as their ancestral home, i will not tell you anything i can’t provide proof for, as an educated person, you expect me not to ask for proof?In 1952, Benin city was 54 thousand, in 1941, it was less than 40,000 thousand, even though there are settlers from other Bini communities, Hausa communities, Yoruba communities, Lagos street is actually someone’s ancestral home sometime back, a Bini man’s village

aswani:
I know for a fact that they claim Usen so who are you or I to tell them they are not?

The Bello in their name is obviously Muslim (same as for their relatives Giwa-Osagie) and a lot of the children have Muslim first names. Whether Bello was attached to the surname on conversion or at birth of the original patriarch, I have no clue.

Not sure what having a house in Lagos street has to do with not coming from Usen? A lot of families have houses in different parts of Benin but still rightfully claim their villages. Unless you are suggesting they are Hausa or Yoruba and added Osagie to their name on arrival to Benin City which I can confidently tell you is false.

How will you know and it will not be obvious to others? If you have proof they are from Usen, post it then i will leave this place?


Having an ancestral house at Lagos Street means Lagos street is his village, Victor Uwaifo was born there and is from there, as at the time he was born there, Lagos street was called Isiukwu village, that was before the mass immigration of Hausa settlers to that place who are largely Muslims. Today Lagos street is no man’s land because it is largely dominated by Hausa settlers but in 1941, it was a village, a Bini man’s village .


I am telling you they are proper Binis from Lagos street that got converted to Islam upon the mass arrival of Hausa settlers before Benin became a proper city

aswani:
O má.

Thank you for clarifying what you meant by proper Ẹdo man. I still think Ovb'usen are proper Ẹdo people but that's OK.

One other thing, Usen is no longer a village ó, they now have Ẹdo state polytechnic there.

Plus you are right about the Osagie's, I had a brain freeze, I meant in the context of Bello Osagie and his brothers, of course their are others who are not related to them and who bear Osagie too that will come from other places.

I made a change in my initial post to you, go reread.


Usen still do not have a bank and many other essential services, that polytechnic has been there for a while, it has not really changed the fortunes of the place.they depend on Okada or come to Benin for Banking services

aswani:
Clearly you know your stuff but how can you try and infer that Usen people are not proper Edo people because Olumide Akpata bears a Yoruba name?

The Bello Osagie's, just like the Akpata's and all the other Osagie's, are from there and are no less Benin than anybody else. In fact the other Akpata's I know have pure Benin names and I am not sure where this guy got his Yoruba own from. Maybe his mum is Yoruba or something.

I have relatives from Uhi who were born in Ìbàdàn and whose two Edo parents gave them Yoruba names so maybe we should try not to give everything an intellectual story.

That is what he wants to hear now, that is what gives him erection as he goes about bleating on the thread, they will just make him unpopular with their antics

The group he is a part of are the majority in Edo state, they are trying dangerously to disassociate him from the group and they want him to win?


*NB* It is not certain the Belo-Osagie’s are from Usen. As their strange non Edo names are rather Arabic than Yoruba. Also their ancestral house is located at Lagos street as they are one of the first and very few Muslims in Benin, with an Edo last name, their origin certainly did not come from Usen.

all other Osagie’s are not from there o. Osagie simply means God sent me in Benin, it is not Usen or Yoruba laced o . It cannot be interpreted in Yoruba, I hope you know. It is a proper Edo name that any parents can give to the child. Not all Usens have Yoruba last names o


By the way, a proper Edo man i mean, the Edo man who is singular in tongue which happens to be 85 % majority. Those exceptions are from Usen which is a village in the extreme western end of Benin. At border areas, those exceptions is visible and inevitable

Iamgrey5:
Did I ever say that Benin are Yoruba immigrants?

Isn't fascinating that a person is having an indigenous name that can't be interpreted in his own language?

He has a name that can be interpreted in his own language, Akpata is from Usen, in Usen they speak both their Yoruboid dialect called Usen and Benin. His full names are Olumide Osaigbovo Akpata. By virtue of the fact he comes from Usen, he can interpret his three names in the both languages he understands

A proper Edo man doesn’t bear these names so don’t make any fuss about it. It’s not the norm, it’s an exception. Not that you don’t already know he is from Usen,you just want to chase clout with it, they would still post news about Akpata tomorrow, even after this post, you will still go around bleating. It is not unique to Edo, Ika people bear Bini names, they can’t interpret it

Indeed, these were our nine national languages of colonial era and early independent rule.

1. I know Edo which i come from is still taught in schools. In fact for Edo , It is even taught in all public and majority of private schools up to junior secondary school level.

2. Albeit, before now, some of our elites may not want their children to learn Edo first because they don’t want their children to have issues with pronunciation when speaking English, but many a times, they never get to learn it at all. But of late, our elders, Oba who sense a dearth of the language have started speaking for Edos to take learning the language very personal.

As a result of that consciousness and awakening, there has been positive movement towards that effect as scholars who are educated in Edo language has taken to YouTube as a means to teach Edo people and youth who were born in Nigeria/those who were born outside who seem not to have a full grasp of the language how to communicate in it effectively .


3. Since It is basically free as it is on YouTube, i have seen many positive reactions from those Binis who were born abroad and are willing to learn the language. How did i know this? Some of the comments one YouTube below these videos attest to that fact. You see people thanking the organizers of such programs in the comments, talking of how they migrated when they were just two With their parents but they are getting better etc


4. I don’t know of any language classes in Benin city, except the fact that Edo language is taught in all public schools and majority of private schools in Benin city from primary one to jss3. And also large number of Edo language lesson videos on YouTube.

5. There are economic advantages in learning all languages no matter how small it may seem. We are great farmers, and in our villages, many old people especially women still do not have proficiency when speaking pidgin and certainly would sell for a cheaper price for one speaking in her language than another speaking in pidgin.


I lost my maternal grandmother last year, she was 84 years old, she couldn’t communicate in English or pidgin even though her husband read English and literature at the university of Lagos. Some of us who stayed with her compulsorily had to learn Edo in our generation in order to communicate with her,


She sold food provisions while she was alive, garri, yam etc as they were great farmers too. Whenever a non Edo is around to buy her products, she will call on any of us to interpret what the person is saying for her. Overtime some of her consistent customers had to learn Edo as a result so they would be able to communicate with her effectively . She certainly would have sold her products at a cheaper price for someone that she would not need an interpreter to communicate to.

madridguy:
" Southern Province " read it again.

why is the thread now titled salaries and gradings of Yoruba Obas instead of salaries and gradings of traditional rulers in the southern province

Christlike01:
It's all about your ego as Binis, that is quite understandable! Believe it or not,Oba of Benin is not a Bini man. The fact is,Oba of Benin is of Yoruba descent;his ancestors were Yoruba from Ile Ife.

Una go carry picture for una grandfather parlour dae call am oba Eweka😂

ChangedMan1999:
I am aware of this

But I choose not to be saying it, for the sake of sanity of this forum

Let even admit he is from there but not conceding, there is no clear cut identity in Igbanke, there are some persons/families that bear Bini names in Igbanke, speak Bini and Identifies as Bini there in Igbanke. their people migrated from several places, e.g Benin, Igbo, Esan , Ika, etc. Irabor, Idubor, otabor, Ikubor, etc are Bini names and can’t be interpreted by their Ika or pristine Igbo identities. If anyone there with these obvious Bini names decides to identify as Bini, it is simply homecoming, that is what Oredopikin is talking about. It is dubious to say he is from the Igbo speaking part of Edo state when he is simply Ikubor by name and an Igbo or Ika man cannot interpret

It is just like the Binis claiming a man whose last name is Emeka just because he has spent 3-4-5 generations in Benin. He is an Igbo man, that is who he is, if he decides to go back to Onitsha with his last name and himself and his folk are still able to keep the Igbo language speaking ability and head back to wherever he came from, it is simply homecoming

Usenokpevbo:
Can Oyo and Owo communicate smoothly without using Oyo dialect? Aren’t they deemed dialects of the same language. Isn’t Okpe and Uvwie distinct languages from Urhobo according to linguistic scholars? Don’t they regard themselves as Urhobos? How many Igbo dialects that are regarded as dialects of the same language can communicate with themselves without the need for their central tongue? Can’t Efik and Ibibio communicate smoothly? Aren’t they regarded as dialects of the same language? Why are they still regarding themselves as different groups?

Benin and Esan has more mutual intelligibility than many subgroups within big tribes. According to Pedro Obaseki, the difference between Benin and Esan is lesser than the difference between Oyo and Ijebu or Oyo and Owo. We bear the same names, we have the same names for almost every items.


Many a times becoming members of the same groups among very similar groups is politics and a central language factor. Enahoro tried bringing up a central language for Edoid, if he had stuck his desire for a central language for Edo within Benin and Esan alone, we would have since been one tribe, it would have been so realistic and possible. He tried to extend to Owan and Etsako, i believe that is where the loudest rejection would have came from. Or if Benin and Esan were alone in one state with groups like Efik/ibibio, we would since be identifying as one tribe. But because we are largely in Edo state where 98%of the population have similar language and culture, and we are not threatened by another strange major group. There is really no bearing need to put on another identity other than our very immediate identity even though we are related and we know the most related ones amongst us

Peter Ekeh described Benin and Esan as approximately mutually intelligible.

Okojie noted that even among present day Esan generation, speaking Bini may be difficult but it is unnecessary for an Esan to learn it before understanding it. According to him, it is easier for an Esan to understand Bini than Ora or Kukuruku language either of which has suffered further inflexion due of course to their early contacts with their northern, western and eastern neighbors.



Okojie was from Irrua, what Okojie meant by that to those who can’t comprehend English properly. He say for Esan people of this generation, to speak Bini fit hard them o, but them no go need learn am to understand am

Succintly put, you are intelligent, “If Enahoro stuck his ideas of a central language for all Edoid to Esan and Bini alone, we would have since been one group”. I think the closest Edoid languages would be Bini and Esan

Gboom:
And buy 3 cars for 5 billion

If there is anybody you should be afraid of that will buy three cars for 5billion is Monday okpebholo whose immediate life and Career successes does not equate to or surpass the glory of the position he is vying for

For Christ sake, Asue is a billionaire, he has been there, done that and he is the most accomplished amongst all the aspirants

NaMe4:
What's miniscule about Esan votes?

Edo South (the largest portion) has 46.5% of the total votes. And that's not even the critical factor as Edos are not fighting against one another; Popular opinion amongst Edolites today is a call for fairness from all zones.

Oshiomhole will simply learn another new political lesson as better qualified candidates with credible track records and repute will be presented and supported on other platforms.

it is well over 46.5 % , it is about 57.54 percent of Edo state

Omobude244:
It's so pathetic say Google na ur source🤦‍♂️.
I'm very sure u don't know i can easily edit Google content🤣🤣

Again
U be complete Ozour

dont stress these things, many of these chairman on these companies board are front, just the way adenuga owns glo, or just the way Allen Onyoema owns airpeace

HNICEARTH:
Certain words are interchangeable in some languages. Obviously, the binis borrowed the word from the igbos. Obi-aza....ain't obi an igbo word?🤷🏿‍♂️

Below is a dictionary

The word Obi Does not feature in that word directly. The fact that Obi is in that word does not mean it would be interpreted as the Igbo “Obi” and Aza. The Obi there has a meaning independent of the Igbo Obi. It means one in charge of A treasure room

7upnigeria:
You may have a PhD but I can boldly say you're a 21st century illiterate. Damn, do you know how much someone can make from loading a pos? Or you think POS money is just all these #100 for 5k that attendants collect.

pls sir explain in details, what is the meaning of loading a pos and how does one benefit from it

Paystack:
I wonder who takes this one seriously.

Na their fault say u no fit act film?

because he nor gree make una tear he Yansh na, he nor sabi act film