₦airaland Forum

Interesting, another feather in the cap of Tinubu’s government as they’re working hard to fulfill the eight point agenda they promised Nigerians.

1. food security;
2. poverty eradication;
3. growth,
4. job creation;
5. access to capital;
6. inclusion;
7. rule of law; and
8. fighting corruption

https://punchng.com/translating-tinubus-8-point-agenda-to-recovery/?amp

Rubbish!

The transparency of the APC regime in full display.

How pleasing.

When tribalists fight so hard to defend a tribe they never made a conscious choice to be born in, that’s madness in disguise.

Tribalism in nauseating poverty for that matter.

And the stupid fools will end up passing their genes of stupidity to their children they’re struggling to feed.

Absolute madness.

Only if tribalism has improved their standard of living, I could rationalise that a bit.

Black Hebrew Israelite camps have found their way to Nairaland? Wow, just wow

In Nigeria, inflation is like dry bones. It shall surely rise again

zebszebs:
Don't mind the pulpit bandits and religious scammers.

These two are medical doctors, turned "pastors" who stage miracles and tell lies on the pulpit.

Their cowboy boots and hats wearing, weird daughter wants to give birth, what do the scammers do?

Fly her abroad.

The genealogy of religious scammers got longer.

The business center must be sustained.

They don’t want her to deliver like the “Hebrew women” in Nigeria.

Anointing oil and early morning prayers are for the wretched poor, while flying abroad for birth and treatments are for the privileged ones.

So beautiful 🥹

Abroad things 🙂

While the poverty stricken church rats are delivering like the “Hebrew women”

Congrats to the Enenches jare.

Toxic ripple effects of naira losing its purchasing power.

The government isn’t ready to cut down wasteful spending, and to maintain its wasteful spending in the face of declining purchasing power of the naira, the masses are the scapegoats to bear that brunt through increased taxation.

Nigeria is only for the elites and the influencers. Every other person can go to hell as far as the government is concerned.

Are there still clowns ready to butcher the sequence of events in Revelation 12 to hold onto their unscriptural belief that Satan and his angels were cast out of their place in heaven before the creation of earth and mankind?

Gabrielshow24 are you ready to tell us the difference between these words?

1) Heavenly realms in Ephesians 6 v 12 (epouraniois in greek) and;
2) Their place in heaven in Revelation 12 v 8 (topos ouranō in greek)

Gabrielshow24:
I think you missed the part where Jesus said:
ESV "And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another"

This is just rather an assertion that many instead of exalting God will exalt themselves.

Also the very same context of that verse doesn't justify the egregious use of it!

And…how does this help us identify who committed the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and the man of lawlessness who will declare himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Gabrielshow24:
Also your appeal to a third temple doesn't diminish the fact that the second temple was DESOLATED just as the bible prophesied!!!

So who committed the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4.

Who had a covenant with many for seven years and broke it midway in Daniel 9 v 26-27?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Plans for the third temple on the way as the world awaits the return of Christ.

Gabrielshow24:
Ok, now thessalonians asserts a declaration of man claiming god in the temple!

Hope you don't mind me asking which temple? 🤧

Read

Gabrielshow24:
Since you say you don't have sense.
I know how to treat illogical personalities like you!

Are you ready to tell us Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

After reading the historical accounts of Josephus, the Jewish Talmud and other historical accounts, you still can’t tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

You still can’t give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Preterists are entertaining clowns I hardly break a sweat on. I full ground, I get your time wella. You go bark tire.

Gabrielshow24:
You can't catch me brother!
Your biblical interpretation was not consistent!

Hence the elaborate method of systemic reply!

Matthew 24:
Alludes these things
1) the temple will be DESOLATED!
2) futuristic coming of Christ!
3) it established that the generation of all those present will experience the DESOLATION.
4)it gives precursors or signs on what to expect that will serve as indicators such as war, rumours of war, famine, false Christ etc

This is the summary of Matthew 24.
The part of the apocalyptic revelation of Daniel corroborates with the temple desolation.

But we know from christendom that the things of God have both literal and allegorical meanings!

The allegory then remains because of the sun not yet darkened because of the moon not yet in blood and the supposed seals and end time apocalyptic events are yet to occur as literally written!

Then men posit that the tribulation has pertaining the words of Jesus which says "Immediately after".

Which shows that although the prophecy had a literal historical timemark there is still an unspecified period of time called "the tribulation"

Evidence suggests that it's still to come!
Finally stop with your out of place assumptions.
I am not a preterist and never will I.
I understand the prophecy in Matthew 24 has an immediate fulfillment and a long term fulfillment!

Am not a child, I am aware of all the precept of the bible.

But I want to show you; in the same vein you consulted DANIEL, REVELATION and the likes
WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT FOR SATAN SUPPOSED STAY IN HEAVEN? But instead you relied on only one chapter and from there formed an absolute statement!


That's my bone of contention!
Nothing more nothing less!

Any logical person will see that I have fact made you to use other texts to validate your stance! Which was not evident before in your initial premise!

At least YOU ARE GETTING WISE🤧

So Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Have I not given you answers was the TEMPLE NOT DESOLATED?

As far as the bible and history is concerned the temple was infact DESOLATED.

WHETHER YOU SUGAR COAT IT OR NOT THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS!

I used Jesus' words to dismiss your insistence on the tribulation being a precursor to the fall of Satan!

So far as the biblical of prophecy of the desolation of the temple has been fulfilled along with the tribulation which Christ himself spoke about then Satan as a logical consequence has fallen.

Am just using your logic against you!
Nothing more nothing less

And if you can't see your theological flaws, then the problem is from you!

So Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Oh wait, it seems to me that you have conceded your initial premise is wrong!

And indeed Satan is not in Heaven, Hallelujah!😁
and instead you have focused on the fulfillment of matthew24.

At least we are getting somewhere; now let me throw out of the window all your supposed inclinations

And where in your wild imagination did I mention Satan and his Angels are already cast out of their place in heaven?

Oh wait, you don’t have answers as to who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

And now you want to run elsewhere? Not on my watch.

You brought up the abomination of desolation argument so we must get answers

Gabrielshow24

Jesus clearly mentioned he will return immediately after the great tribulation of those days in Matthew 24 v 29.

Did Jesus return in that generation?

It’s extremely pleasing to see Preterists roll in the mud of their own making

Gabrielshow24:
I asked you and am reiterating it again
Was the temple desolated true or false?

That's what I'm asking of you, to be sincere with yourself and tell me!

My whole scheme is to show you fallacies.

You can easily include Daniel into the basis to infer it's futuristic but when you were making absolute claims regarding Satan. You didn't cite any verse as pertains to Satan apart from Revelation 12!

And you based your entire arguments on literal and chronological order!

Can you see how incongruous and hypocritical you are?

That's not what I believe, I am instead taking up a role that will act adversarial in a sense in order to show your hypocrisy!

So Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

And why are the Jews planning to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem hmmm?

Gabrielshow24:
I asked you and am reiterating it again
Was the temple desolated true or false?

That's what I'm asking of you, to be sincere with yourself and tell me!

My whole scheme is to show you fallacies.

You can easily include Daniel into the basis to infer it's futuristic but when you were making absolute regarding Satan. You didn't cite any verse apart form Revelation 12!

And you based your entire arguments on literal and chronological order!

Can you see how incongruous and hypocritical you are?

That's not what I believe, I am instead taking up a role that will act adversarial in a sense in order to show your hypocrisy!

So Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Preterists like to swing between the literal and metaphorical…nah, not on my watch.

I’m still awaiting the name of that person that declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4 and committed the abomination of desolation

Gabrielshow24:
This is a pathetic appeal to cry wolf.
Is that what Jesus' words assert? 🤷🏾‍♂️

Or don't you know past from to come?

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Then what is it?
Are this daft?
The whole bible leads up to the desolation of the temple.

Which has two interpretations literal or metaphorical.

You, the advocate for historical timemark are now denying existential that specific literal verse that has a historical timemark to it🤦

That shows the logical incongruity I have been trying to point out to you!

To answer your point:
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

That's why I said in my earlier write ups because weren't paying attention and we're concerned with pushing along your deluded agenda.

I argue that the revelation you so mention is metaphorical you argued it was literal.

Now am using Matthew 24 Jesus' words along with historical records to show you the literal interpretation of the verse now you object that it's not literal because According to you Christ has not fallen!

Now I pose to you the definition of a generation because if you deny the meaning of a generation you deny Jesus!

I brought out this verse to you the bible is filled with both literal and metaphorical meanings.

Dwelling on the literal is not sufficient to draw conclusion.

Now in your stupidity you now consider verse in thessalonians, YOU can imagine.
But you failed to consider verses for your initial claim.

I just want to show the world and you!
your hypocrisy!

You are just barking like a typical preterist

Tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Centuries before Jesus was born, Antiochus Epiphanies even did worse than the Romans, he sacrificed a pig on the altar of the Jewish temple and slaughtered many Jews.

Yet Jesus didn’t even consider that as a fulfilment of the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel.

Relying on the events of 70AD as fulfilment of Matthew 24 is dead on arrival.

Besides, there are plans to rebuild the Jewish temple. Go and read that up Gabrielshow24

Gabrielshow24:
Was the temple desolated true or false?

If it were does it fulfill biblical prophecy or not?
🤷🏾‍♂️

The destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD is not a fulfilment of Matthew 24.

1. There is no historical record of anyone who declared himself god in the temple. But if you suggest otherwise, kindly provide the name of the person who did it.

2. There is no historical record of anyone having a covenant with many for seven years as written in Daniel 9 v 26-27

3. The great tribulation is yet to happen. No historical record of the mark of the beast or restrictions to buy or sell if one doesn’t bear a mark.

4. Jesus has not returned. The resurrection of the saints is yet to happen

5. There are plans to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

Gabrielshow24:
You have in no wise.
Answered the objections to the statement that started all this in the first place!

Seeing 🤣🤣that is a lost battle you cling onto the fallacy of exactness! 🥱

So far your premises have been flushed out😁.

That will teach you next time not to make an absolute statement without proper context!


And unfortunately for you your absolute statement falls flat on its head and doesn't meet the law of non-contradiction!

And moreso Jesus' words are the icing on the cake which I used to permanently dismiss your foolish sentiments!

Now you tell me who among the princes or kings of the earth that is to come is the man of lawlessness! Or the supposed "antiChrist"!

You can't answer, you dodged this question from the first day!

You seek from someone what you yourself can never provide!

You seek accuracy and precision but when I demand the same from you as regards the occurrence of your supposed futuristic event.

You don't know!!!

Hypocrite and pusher of vain doctrine!

So Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

[quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=133308318][/quote]Are you now ready to tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
For your information I am not a preterist!
You repeating 'one question over and over shows your immaturity '

So far your premise has changed; from your initial sentiments of "Satan fall in the future because of SOME TRIBULATION yet to occur"

To you relying on textual exactness of fulfillment of prophecy!

As far as Jesus is concerned and apart from Jesus there is no other physical credible source of truth.

Then I stand by the word of God that all the happenings of Mathew 24 allude to the Jerusalem sack by the Romans with futuristic promises of the son of man coming in Glory but that aspect has been LITERALLY fulfilled!

That's JESUS' WORD.

You are a preterist. Preterists believe the abomination of desolation has happened and the great tribulation has happened.

Ask them when these were fulfilled and by whom, they start foaming in the mouth like rabid dogs. Quite predictable.

Deny all you want, you are a Preterist.