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Gabrielshow24:
So whether you believe it or not that's your business,

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

So Jesus returned in that generation?

Same Jesus that told his Apostles that the times and dates are set only by the authority of the Father in Acts 1 v 7?

Gabrielshow24:
Except you want to claim "A generation is a thousand years🥱"

And this negates JESUS' WORDS!

HAVE AT IT!!!

So Jesus came back in that generation?🥱

You preterists are the clowns of eschatological beliefs

Gabrielshow24:
You are just filled with lies and misrepresentations

Here is what happened:
Historical accounts, particularly those by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, provide a detailed narrative of the events surrounding the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE. According to Josephus, the Roman forces, led by Titus, besieged Jerusalem, and the Temple was ultimately destroyed as part of the Roman campaign.

Josephus describes how the Romans initially sought to preserve the Temple, recognizing its significance. However, during the siege, a fire broke out, which was not an accident but rather a consequence of the chaos of battle. Josephus notes that the fire was ignited by the Romans, who were attempting to breach the Temple's defenses. The destruction of the Temple was a deliberate act rather than an accidental occurrence.

Furthermore, the standards (or ensigns) that the Romans set up were a symbol of their military power and were placed in the vicinity of the Temple, which was seen as a significant affront to the Jewish people. The standards themselves were not the cause of the fire; rather, the fire was a result of the Roman assault on the city!

Stop peddling lies!

Oh really…

The romans wanted to preserve the temple yet one of them threw a fire stick on the temple wall hence defeating that objective. Tell me more and show us who committed the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4.

You’ve been barking these are already fulfilled, so give us the name of the person that fulfilled it and the year it was fulfilled

Gabrielshow24 you are not the first preterist I’ve encountered and your argument is most pitiable of them all.

Just this question all preterists around the world have failed to answer:

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

And you’re grasping at all sorts of straws to stay afloat. I get your time. You go entertain me wella.

Gabrielshow24:
Where did you get roman General Titus declaration of god🤦?

Your misrepresentation is too alarming.
Read the statement and see what I said General Titus did! 👀

Totally off point!

So who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4? If it’s not Titus

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you this dull?
Hence for Jesus to say all these will not pass relates to the details of the Fall of the temple which was in the generation of his followers!

And he quotes:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

From Jesus' words tribulation must first occur then his coming!

That's why I have been using literally correspondents against you!

There is your historical timemark!!!

Did Jesus return in that generation?


Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Is that what you think? 🥱
It shows how ignorant you are!

Even from history we have that Emperor Nero actually planned to put his statue in the Holy of Holies of the Temple but died before the plan could be initiated. Roman General Titus set up Roman standards, which depicted Roman deities, in the Temple in AD 70. Those in Judea recognized the signs and escaped. Simon, the Christian Bishop of Jerusalem led the Christian community out of Judea, across the Jordan River into Perea c. AD 66

Stop capping rubbish!

Also Prior to the revolt the Roman authority acted with brutal disregard for the safety of the people; Jewish gangs known as the Scaraii actually murdered people at will.

Before finally The Jerusalem Temple was utterly destroyed by the Roman army in AD 70

I love this your pseudo history. So Titus set up standards in the Temple that accidentally caught fire before the Romans invaded and looted it abi?

Gabrielshow24:
Is that what you think? 🥱
It shows how ignorant you are!

Even from history we have that Emperor Nero actually planned to put his statue in the Holy of Holies of the Temple but died before the plan could be initiated. Roman General Titus set up Roman standards, which depicted Roman deities, in the Temple in AD 70. Those in Judea recognized the signs and escaped. Simon, the Christian Bishop of Jerusalem led the Christian community out of Judea, across the Jordan River into Perea c. AD 66

Stop capping rubbish!

Also Prior to the revolt the Roman authority acted with brutal disregard for the safety of the people; Jewish gangs known as the Scaraii actually murdered people at will.

Before finally The Jerusalem Temple was utterly destroyed by the Roman army in AD 70

Did Roman General Titus declare himself god in the Temple bearing in mind he has a boss in the name of Emperor Vespasian hmmm? So Titus committed insubordination by declaring himself god in the Temple?

I’m awaiting your response, because 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4 specifically mentions the man of lawlessness will declare himself god in the Temple.

Gabrielshow24:
At this point it's just dumb and I will be foolish to engage this with you.

When you are sane let me know!
We will have a proper logical discussion!

But I leave you and the world with this verse.

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34 VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. [/b]

If you like be under self DELUSION that's your cup of tea, the truth is absolute and bigger than you and I.

So Jesus returned in that generation too abi? Wonderful

Meanwhile, the clown has no clue there are plans to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

We are watching

Gabrielshow24:
At this point it's just dumb and I will be foolish to engage this with you.

When you are sane let me know!
We will have a proper logical discussion!

But I leave you and the world with this verse.

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34 VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. [/b]

If you like be under self DELUSION that's your cup of tea, the truth is absolute and bigger than you and I.

Not surprised. Preterists claim Matthew 24 has happened, and when I ask them to tell us Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4, they have absolutely no answers at all.

You are not the first and you won’t be the last.

Gabrielshow24:
Me or you 😂😂😂
When Jesus the absolute authority states that the Abomination of Desolation will happen in the generation of his recipients!

Yet some 😂 wannabe theologian says otherwise! 😂😂.

Because the verse clearly contradicts his initial sentiments 🤭

Eisegesis indeed 😁🤣

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

You are not the first preterist I’ve encountered, so no need getting excited as though you’ve made any point at all. This question I’ve asked you is the death blow to the preterist doctrine, they have no answers to it.

Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
For your information it's exegesis not eisegesis! 🤧

Eisegesis is forcing your viewpoints on the scripture which is what you’ve been doing all along, rather than let the context of the scripture interpret itself - exegesis.

That being said,

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Don't be a fool it's a logical exaggeration to show you the implications of faulty deductions from Jesus' statements.

I can use the literal and I can use the metaphorical!

Yeah, you can switch the literal and metaphorical to suit your eisegesis rather than the context of the scriptures.

How convenient.

Now can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

[quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=133307573][/quote]Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.

35 HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.

So at what point in history did this happen?
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Once again this is not an educative debate.

With your stance this is going nowhere!

You have failed to numerously answer all the questions I have posited,

I even dared you to dismiss Jesus statement.
If you cannot then shut up and go elsewhere!

That's my own stance!!!!

Argue with JESUS!

Can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
🤦 You and circular reasoning 5 & 6!

If you were smart enough you will see what I am bringing out here.

You posited initially that I give you an historical timemark.

Here it is!
I can likewise commit the self same fallacy of exactness by showing you from the same bible that it categorically emphasizes "the DESOLATION OF THE TEMPLE"!

Which interpreted literally has been fulfilled!!!

But metaphorically because of some certain clauses and events which have not yet happened suggests a global tribulation

You claimed everything according to scriptures is chronological and sequential, now I have brought this verse of JESUS that totally destroys your premise and renders your arguments null and void.

Can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Certainly, it had been good for me to die before I had seen the house of God full of so many abominations, or these sacred places that ought not to be trodden upon at random, filled with the feet of these blood-shedding villains.

Josephus (Wars 4:3:10)

Nice try quoting Annanus out of context.

Now can you show us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Don't get things wrong
1) the temple has been DESOLATED!
2) revelation even states some of the personalities such as the Kings that are to reign are already but some are still to come!

This along with the words of Jesus: "After the tribulation of that time", "the son of man will come"

Irrespective of the tribulation that occurred remotely in Judaea there is an encompassing tribulation which is still to come because of some clauses!

So as far Jesus is concerned there are two interpretations and they don't help your case!

1) either the tribulation which Jesus spoke about is manifested some other unknown events are still to take place

2) or from the time of the tribulation of Jerusalem to the time of Jesus' second coming .the entire world is in a state of "Tribulation"!

These are the logically implications of the statement of Jesus but since you have hinged your entire goalpost on the chronological order of tribulation then fall.

HENCE I ARGUE AND POSIT USING YOUR ARGUMENTS AGAINST YOU THAT SATAN HAS FALLEN!!!

Who committed the abomination of desolation in the temple (Matthew 24) and declared himself as god in the temple? (2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4)

Read the accounts of Josephus, the Jewish Talmuds and other historical accounts.

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

We are all waiting

Gabrielshow24:
Irrespective of the different views they all agree upon the fact that the "desolation of the temple" had already been fulfilled! Exactly in the same way JESUS said it will!

So judging by your initial sentiments that after "the tribulation then the angelic war in heaven!"
So inferring by this I can say that the angelic war has been occurred because the tribulation which has occurred either in part or fullness has taking place.

So brother you are not smart at all!
Either way, it negates your premise!!!

Try as hard you can, you can't invalidate the authority of Jesus!

Do you still want more?

So you can’t point out the name of the person that fulfilled the abomination in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4 after reading through Josephus’ accounts, the Jewish Talmud and other historical accounts available?

Gabrielshow24:
Once again since you dodged the question it was the romans that sacked the temple even recorded by Josephus citing Daniel as regards the Romans treading in the holy of holies fulfilling the prophecies of Jesus!; before it was later sacked by Islam after on.

That's the historical context!
"That's why the verse says those in Judaea should flee"

But it doesn't end there,. Jesus said "after the tribulations of that time" then they will see the son of man clothed in Glory!

But since this has not yet happened we can only deduce that we are still in the tribulation!

So my guy stop capping rubbish!

At the bolded, tell me another joke. So believers are also being persecuted to accept the mark of the beast too right?

Buhahahaha

Gabrielshow24:
So there is an historical timemark for the supposed tribulation that's why some allude that it has happened others say because of futuristic and unfulfilled clauses it's still in the future others also argue that we are currently in it!

And it's not literal but rather a metaphorical meaning!

I can continue to cite Jewish Talmuds, ancient historians that quote the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy in the occupation of Jerusalem by the Romans!

So from the accounts of Josephus, the Talmuds and historical records available, who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

I’m patiently waiting for the name of the person and the year this happened.

Gabrielshow24:
Those are JESUS words!🤭
And all the more reason or evidence to suggest that the "great tribulation" has been fulfilled!

Once again disprove JESUS then I will believe your nonsensical conclusion!

But if you can't then keep quiet and be open to reason!!!

This will not help you!!!

So who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24, and declared himself as god in temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

We are waiting for your historical evidences to answer the question

Gabrielshow24:
You're not sincere with yourself.
Let me post the verse so that the world will see and be the judge both of the HISTORICAL👀 context and meaning of them;

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Now let's do this one more time!
According to history when did the inhabitants of Judaea flee?

Can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24?

We are still awaiting your response. Unless you’re telling us whenever the inhabitants of Judea flee, it automatically means the abomination of desolation in the temple happened.

That being said, who in history fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple according to 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4.

We are patiently awaiting your response.

Gabrielshow24:
In all sincerity try and answer this question; was Jesus being specific about the tribulation that was to come by adding "Judea" ? Or not?

Consider wisely, the logical implications of your response; as this gravely affects your stance


Secondly: Tell me: If Jesus really were describing the end of the world, why would it only affect those in Judea? And why would fleeing to the mountains make any difference?

Be sincere and answer!

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24? We are still awaiting your answer

Gabrielshow24:
I think the verse says something about Judea😂.
I wonder if that is still futuristic!
You don't want to accept that the verse seems to LITERALLY suggest that the abomination spoken of by Daniel is fulfilled!
And still elucidates some aspects of the prophecy which is yet to come!

So irrespective of how you interpret it, it negates your initial premise, ranting "great tribulation" here and there.

After all it's the LORD OF HEAVEN that spoke those verses👀

You still haven’t told us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24.

We are still waiting

gohf:
Read the scripture and the bible again, whether you agree or not is your choice but do not say you were ignorant for the truth is here before you today.

nations! (NKJV)
This happened when Jesus won the battle
That's why verse 15
Isa.14.15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. (NKJV)

This is yet to happen, and like Revelation says it happens just before the millennium reign


Ezekiel prophecies it as well
Ezek.28.8 - They shall throw you down into the Pit, And you shall die the death of the slain In the midst of the seas.
Ezek.28.9 - "Will you still say before him who slays you, "I am a god'? But you shall be a man, and not a god, In the hand of him who slays you.

It has not yet happened. Yes he was cast out from God's presence as Moses wrote in Genesis and roamed the earth but he sneaked into the assembly of God's children when they present themselves before the LORD.



I hope you all understand. God bless

Was Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 addressed to Satan? Or the king of Babylon and king of tyre respectively.

Context!

gohf:
This is what is written
Rev.12.17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (NKJV)


And Revelation 13 speaks of the deceptions of the devil and his agents
For example
Rev.13.14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. (NKJV)

Is this when you think the great tribulations started?


And Jesus said
Matt.24.21 - For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt.24.22 - And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
Matt.24.23 - "Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!' or "There!' do not believe it.
Matt.24.24 - For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Now this is what I asked you; If there are no tribulations why are you even wrestling?


Did I say we are in the great tribulations?
And even if we are, it means the sixth seal has been opened and the trumpets have been sounding

Did you not read Revelation 7 I quoted
Rev.7.14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


If there is no point to your question will there be a point in receiving an answer?

The early church faced tribulations and persecution, and we all know that is not the great tribulation which is still a future event.

That being said, how did you conclude Satan and his Angels are already cast out of heaven to earth or the war in heaven has happened for that matter without the woman being chased into the wilderness to receive protection for 1,260 days while the rest of her offspring face the great tribulation in Revelation 12 v 17?